starcraft 2

[Sinitron]

so all you zerg mastas out there

what is the best way to deal with asshole protoss

especially the queer 4gating kind

slings vs roach?

[rtil]

my normal protoss opener does well against 4 gate, but you still have to be very careful

14 gas
14 pool
16 queen
18 roach warren
18 evo +1 carapace
21 hatch

you can play it safe and lay some spines down at your natural, or use those resources for more units instead. if he's going more zealot heavy, get more roaches. if there's more stalkers, get more slings

however if a pylon goes down somewhere close by and you're barely hanging on, you'll probably still lose

4 gate is just really strong no matter what league you're in

[Sinitron]

yeah i was doing 15hatch for more early larvae and got overwhelmed by stalkers, and didn't have a lot of lings

it should be stoppable i just don't have enough experience doing it

[cipher]

Make sure you overlord scout a little early too, most pros usually do it around around the 7 or 8 min mark, but I think it's better to do it around 5 or 6. Keep in mind though sometimes you'll see a few gateways, your overlord will get killed, you prep for 4gate and it turns out to be 3gate robo, and that sucks.

[Sinitron]

OL scouting takes too long. By that time I can get lair and an overseer and just scoot in and out and be like "fuck u ima fucken overseer", which is good anyway in case of some DT rushing bullshit. Plus good 4gates hit before the 6 minute mark I believe?

[rtil]

typical 4 gate is ~5:40

i like to send my first OL to a corner of the P base and move it in right after 5 mins in a single movement that will grant me the most vision and see possible hidden tech. believe it or not you can actually rally your first OL all the way around to the other side of a P base in scrap station and when it finally gets there there will still be some time left before your actual scout.

they are slow as shit, but you have plenty of time to fly it to a discreet corner in time for the first scout.

you will definitely lose the OL though, so don't get supply blocked.

vs P you usually get to see enough info. vs T, marine usually kills the OL before it can see anything of value. you can always poke some slings around, too.

[Crabarms]

Had a very close match, made a very big mistake. Was very over confident that I could just use zerglings and banelings to kill terran. Just skipped upgrades, but he just made tons of marines and was getting some medivacs. Luckily I decided to get a third expansion, got some hydras and mutas. But as he had a huge marine army he went past mine. Could of easily killed it but he took the route with rocks and just missed it.

Got raped by 6 pool one game, but I think next time to counter is to just have a spine crawler. If there's a better way would be happy to know.

also let a protoss expand (was really close to destroying his main) but I didn't have my zerglings all over the map so he recovered with like 3 bases.

[rtil]

6 pool and various zerg all-ins are not very easy to deal with. by the time you scout them with your normal 10 supply drone, it's already too late to react with similar aggression if you're opening standard (and you should). however, you can beat them with drones - you just need to be really careful with how you use the drones that you have.

unless you're on a map with an incredibly short rush distance, you should have about 15 drones by the time the 6 lings are in your base.

here are two replays of me beating an even scarier ZvZ rush, the 10-pool ling spinecrawler rush. one guy even sends all of his drones. i hold him back with ONLY drones.

http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4884
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4883

how you do it is to get all your drones in a ball and get them away from your mineral line so they have lots of open room to fight. you right-click move your drones to get the best surround you can on the zerglings, and then a-move somewhere on the ground. your drones will begin attacking the lings and kill them very quickly.

after you fend something like this off, you should be in the lead economically. if you lost some drones it's ok - get back to decent mining capacity, get ling speed, and hit back when you have a decent army. you will almost always win if the all-in fails, it's very damaging economically.

[psi43]

you will almost always win if the all-in fails, it's very damaging economically.

not only that, most people don't know what to do after their all-in fails and some of them even quit after that. Had that happen to me a lot of times already.

[Sinitron]

lost a ZvT because I tried to engage mmm with sling/bling off creep

rolled again and got the same guy, another ZvT, and won because i spread creep better, made more banelings and waited for his force to come to me

yeh...

[rtil]

you can beat mmm off creep

just don't waste banelings on marauders

once the slings get a surround the mm gets stuck

marine + tank is way worse imo, esp off creep

[psi43]

lost a ZvT because I tried to engage mmm with sling/bling off creep

rolled again and got the same guy, another ZvT, and won because i spread creep better, made more banelings and waited for his force to come to me

yeh...

with centrifugal hooks and enough banelings it's doable off creep

also i consider tanks to be pretty easy to deal with if you have a few zerglings

[Sinitron]

with centrifugal hooks and enough banelings it's doable off creep

also i consider tanks to be pretty easy to deal with if you have a few zerglings

yeah i had hooks but i had way too few banelings and he just kited them and killed most without taking any damage

he also didn't use tanks, he just one-based MMM... which honestly wasn't too hard to deal with, i just fucked up

tanks aren't dangerous until somebody gets a lot of them, they're not mobile like colossi are so lone tanks really just slow the rest of the army down

i wanna make more corruptors and overseers, they're pretty much my favorite new zerg units

roach/corruptor is badass

[BluPhoenix]

nerz

[Necronomitr0n]

stir fry craft

[rtil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJbAT1wzS8U

[Sinitron]

you know that queer lion thing with the scorp tail looks like one of the critters in WoW

[Sinitron]

SUUUURE it could be some mythological stuff

but let's face it

whoever made this mind-numbing series probably pulls their dicky to dancing elves and shit EVERY NIGHT

[Sinitron]

hit 50 team zerg and 780 total wins

crazy shit ass 3v3 game as random with random fags

[Sinitron]

810 wins, went marine/scv rushing with lander and sev