to those of you who have a problem with it - serious question, i'm actually curious why it's mocked. you all are able to and do look at real pornography in private (unless you're taylor bortner), a relatively recent perk of modern society. but before the advent of home video and photography, what do you think guys and girls jerked it to? it was art. art in all kinds of different styles, representing a multitude of fetishes and sexual acts that people found pleasure in. why is it strange or abnormal to you that this is still practiced today? yes there are kinds of drawn pornography that get a little out there, but they cater to a certain audience, and the porn industry does the same thing. just because you don't understand it doesn't mean you have to be afraid of or mock it. everyone has their own fantasies. for those that fantasize fictional characters were real, how much different is that from those with the unlikely fantasy that they could have sex with a porn star? for those that find a certain sexual act desirable, what difference does it make if it was performed on a video or drawn on a computer screen? i don't understand the negative stigma that goes along with something that's a natural part of human history. does anyone disagree with me, or understand what i'm saying?
Genshiken explains hentai. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVUOvHYv3ME#)
While me personally, I have no desire to look at hentai. However, I dont have any problems with others liking it. If you find that shit attractive, that's good for you. The reason why I find the thread bad is because I would never expect this forum to actually have a serious pornographic thread. I would even find it weird if there was an actual "real" pornographic thread. It seems like something this forum would never actually have.
naked girls are an interesting thing to draw, thus a lot of my favorite artists draw ecchi/hentai as well as the normal work they draw. no one's really slobbering all over that thread and sharing their masturbation secrets with everyone, to me it's still just an art thread that hasn't been done here yet. im sure some of the people who are getting buttmad about it are actually confused about why we have a thread like that, but i also imagine most of the people who feel that way are either oversensitive and find that material offensive, or believe we're somehow supposed to be "better than that", which i remember someone saying in shock a while back when tba became really anime
Posting to say that hentai has nothing to do with natural history
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Quote from: redmongoose on July 31, 2012 05:02 AM
Posting to say that hentai has nothing to do with natural history
explain
a primer, btw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_erotic_depictions#Beginnings_of_mass_circulation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_erotic_depictions#Beginnings_of_mass_circulation)
Quote from: Alta Don on July 31, 2012 04:49 AM
While me personally, I have no desire to look at hentai. However, I dont have any problems with others liking it. If you find that shit attractive, that's good for you. The reason why I find the thread bad is because I would never expect this forum to actually have a serious pornographic thread. I would even find it weird if there was an actual "real" pornographic thread. It seems like something this forum would never actually have.
i can understand how that would be uncomfortable for some people. for me i just see it as everyone does it and i'm not ashamed of it, so i don't have any problem with sharing it.
Kids are a major no-no to me. Be it real or fictional.
Rtil just tried to argue with me about whether or not hentai is a part of natural history by linking me to a wikipedia article on the history of hentai
i dont think theres anything wrong with hentai itself. shit like that has been there since those venus figurines people made thousands of years ago. how are those any different than the exaggerated boobs, hips and asses you see on girls in hentais?
and i dont mind the weirder hentai stuff. you can dig that as long as you arent hurting anyone
i just wanna know why hentai? and if you feel weird or whatever about sharing real people porn then why arent you feeling weird about sharing hentai? shouldnt you?
^ im assuming that question was directed at rtil, but as for me i just think hentai made more sense since this is an art community kinda. a regular porn/nudes thread probably would have just been like oh
^yeah i dont buy it when you say youre sharing hentai only because you like it artistically
also that question was directed at anyone who agrees with rtil and posts hentai in that thread
no but that is definitely part of why some people here like hentai and enjoy that thread. sexualization IS an aesthetic that can enrich thnigs in ways other than inspiring people to beat off to the content. no one here plays katawa shoujo to masturbate to the girls in it, and the placement of sex in katawa shoujo isn't there to appeal to lonely nerds, it's just part of the story. likewise, a lot of the work shared in that thread is "vanilla", with plenty of the stories appealing by just being a good story. it's like how people were getting all fussy about the sexualized designs in skullgirls and saying it was a panderfest when in reality it's just part of the aesthetic of the game. imo violence works the same way. enjoying violence in something doesn't make you a sadist or a sociopath, it's just part of the story and it often enriches the content.
although im sure plenty of semen was spilled over that thread, all im saying is im pretty sure the whole point wasnt to start a (literal) circlejerk. people like what's in that thread for varying reasons, and with content from vanilla all the way to fucking DICKGIRLS in there, i'd say it's really impossible to generalize and assume everyone has the same reason for participating.
really? youre comparing sexualization in hentai to sexualization in video games and visual novels? hentai WAS made to 'inspire people to beat off' and when youre sharing it basically what youre saying is 'hey heres something i (might) jerk off to' so yes i do think that when you start a hentai thread you start a 'literal circlejerk'
basically what im saying is, dont be surprised when people mock you for sharing hentai. you would probably also mock someone who for sharing 'likes' on porn vids on his facebook. im not mocking you and i think its great that youre trying to break this faux pas but at least admit that youre sharing porn
if there was a porn thread i'd share the goods ;)
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Quote from: rtil on July 31, 2012 09:41 AM
if there was a porn thread i'd share the goods ;)
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I am indifferent to the hentai thread. I just wanted to post this out of context cause it made me laugh but now I'm going to add a massive paragraph.
The way I see it is that we have a hentai thread rather than a porn thread on tba is due to the creative community that resides here. Not saying that porn can't be creative but there is a high bias here towards drawings, illustrations and animation over video filming.
I guess here in the west, hentai is usually mocked because of the cultural idea that cartoons are for children and therefore cartoon porn represents something that is very wrong and therefore only strange individuals would enjoy it. Add that modern japanese art tends to depict women as looking younger and I guess it can put a lot of people off.
Thank you and goodnight.
Hold on...
Are you people saying that the thread was NOT a joke?
ALL this time i've been thinking that it WAS a joke. Mainly because (when it started) i found several of the images in there to be hilarious and everyone that was posting was laughing as well.
Quote from: G3no on July 31, 2012 03:06 PM
Hold on...
Are you people saying that the thread was NOT a joke?
ALL this time i've been thinking that it WAS a joke. Mainly because (when it started) i found several of the images in there to be hilarious and everyone that was posting was laughing as well.
(https://thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/921f1Y_bert.gif)
LMAO
i can laugh really easily sometimes chicken. I don't mind at all if it's serious.
Kind of the same thing when it comes to certain types of furry stuff. I admit I like some of that too. In fact I have more gay furry stuff saved in my secret folder than hentai.
Well that's mostly because traditional yaoi tends to suck, but idk. I used to be the kind of person to mock that stuff too, but it turns out that was all just insecurities and the only thing I'm ashamed of was originally being ashamed of it all in the first place. The art is cute and often plays into our interests, fantasies, and so forth. Even if you're not here to release thy holy fluids, you can still appreciate the artistic side or even after you finish exploding your pants! Hell, one of the biggest pastimes of mine when bored at the PC with nothing to do, I just look at porn with no real sexual desire. It's still interesting! It makes drawn visuals of such acts appealing. It's a natural part of human nature and I don't see why it would be so taboo to refrain from capturing it in a drawn form and with suspension of disbelieve also helps when it depicts something that normally wouldn't occur in any real porn flick, like monster girls that everyone loves so much! Goo girls may never be a reality, so that's sort of the reason why we draw it in the first place.
^i dont think tba is ready for that, so for your sake im not even quoting you so you an edit that out and safe face dude hurry quick!!!!!!!!!
the reason why there's a hentai thread and not a porn thread would mainly be a lack of variance/style/imagination that comes with porn (see: story, popular characters, goo-girls, zombies, etc.) it takes work from the artist for hentai to look good just as it is to make any other picture look good, and thus there's an element of artistic appreciation that comes with the hentai thread. (still pushing for 'the ishikei thread')
also add in the fact that people actually have a sense of humor about hentai
Quote from: G3no on July 31, 2012 03:06 PM
ALL this time i've been thinking that it WAS a joke. Mainly because (when it started) i found several of the images in there to be hilarious and everyone that was posting was laughing as well.
yeah see this is what i mean
everyone had different reasons to post what they did, humorous or not. i was posting what i thought was "good" hentai.
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Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 08:10 AM
really? youre comparing sexualization in hentai to sexualization in video games and visual novels? hentai WAS made to 'inspire people to beat off' and when youre sharing it basically what youre saying is 'hey heres something i (might) jerk off to' so yes i do think that when you start a hentai thread you start a 'literal circlejerk'
basically what im saying is, dont be surprised when people mock you for sharing hentai. you would probably also mock someone who for sharing 'likes' on porn vids on his facebook. im not mocking you and i think its great that youre trying to break this faux pas but at least admit that youre sharing porn
I have this general mentality as well. I have no problem with the content whatsoever (well usually), and if people want to share it thats fine. I just found it... odd how much the thread took off. I too kind of thought it was a joke at first, but after it became the most popular thread in a while, I began getting suspicious.
i'm pretty sure people dont watch hentai for the plot.
Quote from: Alta Don on July 31, 2012 04:10 PM
i'm pretty sure people dont watch hentai for the plot.
i do :<
Quote from: Alta Don on July 31, 2012 04:10 PM
i'm pretty sure people dont watch hentai for the plot.
you'd be surprised
whichever medium you choose, you're still going to be reading/watching it- the story is one of the finer staples of hentai, it builds a stronger connection to the characters. this, to some people, actually makes the payoff more rewarding
in it's anime depictions, it may be less likely. doujinshi/h-games are a whole new set of eggs though
Quote from: BluPhoenix on July 31, 2012 03:35 PM
the reason why there's a hentai thread and not a porn thread would mainly be a lack of variance/style/imagination that comes with porn (see: story, popular characters, goo-girls, zombies, etc.)
yes, and that variety and novelty is what draws people to jerk it to hentai
Quoteit takes work from the artist for hentai to look good just as it is to make any other picture look good, and thus there's an element of artistic appreciation that comes with the hentai thread. (still pushing for 'the ishikei thread')
also add in the fact that people actually have a sense of humor about hentai
again, i dont buy it that that was your main intention. if you were really into sharing art there are tons of more artistic illustrations that you could be sharing.
youre sharing the hentai that turns you on. its like youre sharing porn. yes it takes skill to draw sexy girls but you like them because they turn you on. and theres nothing wrong with that.
i dont think youre that open-minded about it. at least rtil admits hes sharing porn for porns' sake
Quote from: Sheepy on July 31, 2012 04:32 PM
Quote from: Alta Don on July 31, 2012 04:10 PM
i'm pretty sure people dont watch hentai for the plot.
i do :<
i think the plot does play a big role in why hentais are so appealing. not because its so amazing or inspiring but because you dont get a hentai-kind of plot anywhere else. porn is all about novelty
Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 08:10 AM
really? youre comparing sexualization in hentai to sexualization in video games and visual novels? hentai WAS made to 'inspire people to beat off' and when youre sharing it basically what youre saying is 'hey heres something i (might) jerk off to' so yes i do think that when you start a hentai thread you start a 'literal circlejerk'
basically what im saying is, dont be surprised when people mock you for sharing hentai. you would probably also mock someone who for sharing 'likes' on porn vids on his facebook. im not mocking you and i think its great that youre trying to break this faux pas but at least admit that youre sharing porn
@_@ this post kind of hurts my head. it's like you totally ignored my "although im sure plenty of semen was spilled over that thread..." bit and instead you're demanding me to ADMIT IT ADMIT IT BRO ADMIT THERE'S A HENTAI THREAD ON THEBACKALLEYS
im just gonna break up what you said and respond to tiny bits at a time
Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 08:10 AM
really? youre comparing sexualization in hentai to sexualization in video games and visual novels?
no, you're not listening. i'm comparing sexualization in a specific genre of hentai (vanilla) to other content in which sexualization is an aesthetic placed into said content to add to it. and in the visual novel i was referring to, katawa shoujo, there IS actual hentai (albeit classy hentai) so yeah i'd say it's a fair comparison
Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 08:10 AM
you would probably also mock someone who for sharing 'likes' on porn vids on his facebook.
incorrect assumption
Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 08:10 AM
im not mocking you
ok
Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 08:10 AM
and i think its great that youre trying to break this faux pas
thank you
Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 08:10 AM
but at least admit that youre sharing porn
nope
porn? i don't see any porn here
personally i don't have a problem with hentai but ya'll need to keep that shit to yourselves
@sev i dont think you exactly get what i was trying to say.
1 i dont think theres anything wrong with liking hentai. its like any other kind of porn.
2 its the sharing that might be the biggest thing why people find the hentai thread weird. you dont see people sharing porn with eachother that easily, right? theres a stigma against that. so dont be surprised when people raise an eyebrow at a hentai thread
3 'im sharing hentai mainly because i like the art in it. oh and the sexy girls in it? thats just like the sexy chicks in skull girls.' bullshit. and then that one part you didnt respond to
also was that last part supposed to be sarcastic? i dont get it
Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 04:37 PM
Quoteit takes work from the artist for hentai to look good just as it is to make any other picture look good, and thus there's an element of artistic appreciation that comes with the hentai thread. (still pushing for 'the ishikei thread')
also add in the fact that people actually have a sense of humor about hentai
again, i dont buy it that that was your main intention. if you were really into sharing art there are tons of more artistic illustrations that you could be sharing.
youre sharing the hentai that turns you on. its like youre sharing porn. yes it takes skill to draw sexy girls but you like them because they turn you on. and theres nothing wrong with that.
i dont think youre that open-minded about it. at least rtil admits hes sharing porn for porns' sake
i feel attacked by your assumptions, i don't want to see a porn thread for the reasons i stated why there isn't one in the first place. i shared what i thought was decent, and what i thought others might enjoy- sure, it's pornographic in nature, but the art and stylization is the key aspect that separates it from your standard porn. the skill and depictions of the artists that are shared is what makes the thread, in my eyes
well chicken, it has to be sexy or atleast a little, the art is pretty interesting as well
so am i the only one who likes hentai mainly because it makes my dick hard (ie liking it for what it was made for) ?
Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 05:16 PM
so am i the only one who likes hentai mainly because it makes my dick hard (ie liking it for what it was made for) ?
i think you're the only one missing the point
Quote from: systech on July 31, 2012 04:50 PM
personally i don't have a problem with hentai but ya'll need to keep that shit to yourselves
^^^^^
Also i agree with chicken. Saying that you're posting hentai because of its art seems like an excuse. Its not that I feel uncomfortable that there's a hentai thread but I do find it really weird that you guys are actually sharing any form of porn on this forum in general. Just keep it to yourself and share it another way that wont let everyone else see.
ok tell me if i get this right
rtil starts the thread by saying that people have been jerking it to drawings for a long time. so, hentai is a part of nature
i say, well people usually keep what they jerk it to to themselves. just like with porn. you dont see people sharing porn that easily
rtil: i would share porn
sev, bp7: no hentai isnt like porn!
me: (https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fus.123rf.com%2F400wm%2F400%2F400%2Fpressmaster%2Fpressmaster0902%2Fpressmaster090200342%2F4320896-portrait-of-self-murderer-keeping-gun-at-his-temple-in-terror.jpg&hash=d2870d58370c009954e7dfe573d3eabdc2286fae)
yes
it is porn, it's erotic material. and about the art.... it does sound like an excuse. But still, it was drawn, some of the pieces in there look pretty impressive to me
chicken, you're misconstruing anything that is given to you
the point i was making was that you hit the nail on the head when it came to arousal, but hentai is being shared and appreciated for different reasons.
Quote from: Alta Don on July 31, 2012 05:27 PM
Quote from: systech on July 31, 2012 04:50 PM
personally i don't have a problem with hentai but ya'll need to keep that shit to yourselves
^^^^^
Also i agree with chicken. Saying that you're posting hentai because of its art seems like an excuse. Its not that I feel uncomfortable that there's a hentai thread but I do find it really weird that you guys are actually sharing any form of porn on this forum in general. Just keep it to yourself and share it another way that wont let everyone else see.
Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 05:31 PM
ok tell me if i get this right
rtil starts the thread by saying that people have been jerking it to drawings for a long time. so, hentai is a part of nature
i say, well people usually keep what they jerk it to to themselves. just like with porn. you dont see people sharing porn that easily
rtil: i would share porn
sev, bp7: no hentai isnt like porn!
me: (https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fus.123rf.com%2F400wm%2F400%2F400%2Fpressmaster%2Fpressmaster0902%2Fpressmaster090200342%2F4320896-portrait-of-self-murderer-keeping-gun-at-his-temple-in-terror.jpg&hash=d2870d58370c009954e7dfe573d3eabdc2286fae)
ffs no i'm not saying it's being posted specifically because it's art. i just assumed that not everyone needed to state the obvious that people jack off to hentai, rtil already stated it in the OP. do you guys want every person who posted in that thread to personally admit they devotedly masturbated to it? i'd hope not, because that would be retarded. i'm just providing another perspective, because personally i actually do enjoy a lot of vanilla stories (and i know other people do as well) and sexualization in general, and not always just to whip out my dick to it.
And I feel like some of you [supporters] are just making the situation worse by being so defensive about it and thus just provoking the other parties to speak up against you. Why do you all care so much (and by "you" I mean both sides). While I mostly made my opinion clear in my other post that probably got ingnored, it's still the fucking internet, you've all seen worse.
I'll step back for now though.
not a big fan of hentai but just because the thing you jack off to is an actual person doesnt make your hand into more of a vagina
having a >15 page hentai thread is a bit silly though
and my sister constantly watches gay hentai
and brings her gay hentai manga to the kitchen table when i eat
that shit's terrible
fuck hentai
fuck anime
fuck japan
also didnt read the thread but it didnt seem to have derailed as much as the average tba thread
Quote from: systech on July 31, 2012 04:50 PM
personally i don't have a problem with hentai but ya'll need to keep that shit to yourselves
im kinda feelin like this at this point
Quote from: sev on July 31, 2012 05:41 PM
ffs no i'm not saying it's being posted specifically because it's art. i just assumed that not everyone needed to state the obvious that people jack off to hentai, rtil already stated it in the OP. do you guys want every person who posted in that thread to personally admit they devotedly masturbated to it? i'd hope not, because that would be retarded. i'm just providing another perspective, because personally i actually do enjoy a lot of vanilla stories (and i know other people do as well) and sexualization in general, and not always just to whip out my dick to it.
im just trying to make you understand why some people find the hentai thread weird. its because youre sharing porn. and sharing porn is weird (rightfully so? idk!). and hentai is porn. so sharing hentai is weird. thats it.
but it seems like youre sayin that the porn part of it isnt there (or is just an afterthought/is just an aesthetic/isnt the most important part) and that people shouldnt look at the hentai thread in that way.
but the porn part is the biggest most important part in a hentai and you cant expect people to look at it and go oh hey this looks well made and forget the weird thought that someone jerked it to that.
and what im constantly trying to convince you of is that by most people's standards, it is weird that youre sharing porn. i think its fine and great but at least admit that youre doing it
Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 05:55 PM
but it seems like youre sayin that the porn part of it isnt there (or is just an afterthought/is just an aesthetic/isnt the most important part) and that people shouldnt look at the hentai thread in that way.
but the porn part is the
nope you misinterpreted what i said, sorry ;'(
also to everyone who agrees with systech, you could also
you know
not go into the thread
i mean it is called "THE HENTAI THREAD" in all caps
it's not like you're accidentally clicking into it, you're clearly conscious of your decision to enter the hentai thread
just saiyan
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Quote from: sev on July 31, 2012 05:59 PM
Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 05:55 PM
but it seems like youre sayin that the porn part of it isnt there (or is just an afterthought/is just an aesthetic/isnt the most important part) and that people shouldnt look at the hentai thread in that way.
but the porn part is the
nope you misinterpreted what i said, sorry ;'(
Quote from: sev on July 31, 2012 04:57 AM
to me it's still just an art thread
i wonder how i got that wrong
also i agree with your last point. if you dont like hentai dont look at the hentai. i say keep em comin
i'm not going to post in this thread other than this post
Quote from: nonzop on July 31, 2012 05:55 PM
Quote from: systech on July 31, 2012 04:50 PM
personally i don't have a problem with hentai but ya'll need to keep that shit to yourselves
im kinda feelin like this at this point
actually forget what i said. im kinda feelin like this at this point too, tba is starting to look like ssaf's forum
see i like the hentai thread, but i admit that its weird (by 'normal' standards) to share (your thoughts on) hentai just like it is to do so with porn.
i cant do it. if i do i feel my religious father looking over my shoulder going 'tut tut tut'
maybe one day i will become as brave as you guys but for now i shall masturbate in secret
Quote from: sev on July 31, 2012 04:57 AM
naked girls are an interesting thing to draw, thus a lot of my favorite artists draw ecchi/hentai as well as the normal work they draw. no one's really slobbering all over that thread and sharing their masturbation secrets with everyone, to me it's still just an art thread that hasn't been done here yet. im sure some of the people who are getting buttmad about it are actually confused about why we have a thread like that, but i also imagine most of the people who feel that way are either oversensitive and find that material offensive, or believe we're somehow supposed to be "better than that", which i remember someone saying in shock a while back when tba became really anime
Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 06:03 PM
Quote from: sev on July 31, 2012 05:59 PM
Quote from: creamcorn on July 31, 2012 05:55 PM
but it seems like youre sayin that the porn part of it isnt there (or is just an afterthought/is just an aesthetic/isnt the most important part) and that people shouldnt look at the hentai thread in that way.
but the porn part is the
nope you misinterpreted what i said, sorry ;'(
Quote from: sev on July 31, 2012 04:57 AM
to me it's still just an art thread
i wonder how i got that wrong
i don't think there's a single thing in this thread you've quoted that you haven't taken out of context or misconstrued. i can't tell if you're actually failing to understand me and that i should feel like an asshole for finding it irritating or if you're actually doing this on purpose but im sorry arguing with you SUCKS
what do you want? ok it's a porn thread where people are sharing porn, congratulations now you know the truth that everyone else knows. that doesn't make it any less of an art thread or make it any less reasonable that i see it as a type of art thread that hasn't been done before. we've had a "post your favorite _______" of pretty much every type of art and animation, but never one for anything like this. that was my point <___>
im just trying to make you understand why some people find the hentai thread weird. its because youre sharing porn.
yes theres art and skill involved and its great that youre liking it but people will never get it out of their head that its weird to share! and that isnt a strange way of thinking because IT IS porn! despite the art! thats all im saying!
wouldn't it be great if i revealed i was trolling the whole time and i'm secretly masturbating TO people that masturbate to hentai
like some sort of meta hentai man
edit: fucked up my prepositions
should i describe to you what this hentai chick is wearing, and in turn, what im wearing while im jerking it to this hentai chick?
Quote from: sev on July 31, 2012 05:59 PM
also to everyone who agrees with systech
so, me? alright
well i really don't think "if you don't like it don't look at it" is good reasoning here sev. the topic is 15 pages of content in the middle of general, and i think everyone on the forum is allowed to have an opinion on it. i think its more about how you go about expressing this opinion and systech wasn't rude about it, didn't call anyone a name and simply responded to the threads question. he could not have been more polite about expressing how he felt. if you share any kind content with a varied group of people, you have to expect them to have different opinions on it. even regarding the people who posted within the actual thread, no one (besides maybe sin but i forget what he posted and im not about to look through 15 pages to find it) went in and was like "HAHA YOU FAGGOTS WOW FUCK HENTAI", people mostly seemed sort of confused and bewildered by the whole thing and just like when dealing any other thread, there's no reason people shouldn't be allowed to go in and express their opinion on whatever the thread presents to the rest of the forum, as long as they're not insulting or rude.
BTW, yes, you are sharing porn. i get that you personally can appreciate hentai manga for its stories (i am not really seeing any stories in that thread btw so that's not really a good defense), and for the technical skill involved in making the art, but hentai is generally created with the purpose of providing people with erotic material, so while it's actually pretty interesting and cool that you can look past that and appreciate it in a different way, you can't really expect everyone else to see it the same way you do.
i mean like "hahaha you pathetic nerds masturbating to hentai" and then masturbating to how pathetic the nerds are
ok then we should suck up all the criticism we get and youre welcome to express your opinions.
but if the thread bothers you, for your own sake, dont look at it
i think thats a fair deal
im serious though i could really rock the meta hentai man gimmick
by rock he means wiggle his dick until he comes
A few weeks ago rtil made a thread with a foreboding title. It was called "The hentai thread".
Well ladies and gentlemen, that's might as well what this site should be called (at least right now), with the top row on the general forum dedicated to a hentai thread
I can't go to TBA with seeing something not about rtil or his coveted anime. It makes me wonder sometimes if pursuing anything but hentai is even worth it. Truly, they are what bring the masses of 13-year olds to this site, and thus increases traffic and competition in the internet world. But you have to ask yourself, with this sort of two-bit audience increasing in numbers, are they really interested in watching anything else?
I understand that it's a dog eat dog world in the online entertainment business, and to compete you have to pretty much put up content that a majority of internet browsers would click on. This includes either women or anime. Things they already know they want. And that's all they want. They sign up, watch more, and come back and do it again later. They're trained to know that what they want is easily accessible and is promoted all over the site.
Non hentai content is often shuffled off to the bottom of the page, or never gets any attention to begin with. Now comes into play the whole 'they won't click on it unless there's a boob for the icon', etc etc. That's because they've been fashioned to think that way.
I'm not saying i have all the mysterious answers to the way people's minds work. But this much is true - if all people click on are breasts and video game icons, and you give them breasts and video game icons, you're not pushing the envelope.
TBA general is the epitome of user-generated discussions. We already have a massive advantage over 4chan in the fact that making thread involves so much more creativity than snappily posting le funny memes. So instead of 200 threads coming out every minute, we have 200 hentai posts coming out every day. That gives someone a better chance of breaking out and being discovered for his hard work, and a reward for a job well done.
But in the same way that users are trained that they don't have to go out of their way to avoid original content they would otherwise enjoy, authors are becoming more and more disenchanted with their personal creations and are turning to nerd culture icons and cheap tactics to get viewers.
I can't tell you how many animators I have spoken to that have shunned their own creations in favor of hentai threads and anime. a thread catering to everyone who's forgotten what threads are all about. And here we are shoving away everything about cartoons that was originally appealing and magical, because we're pretty much forced to.
I'm pointing the finger at one person here, rtil. I think it's part of the bigger picture - bigger than Newgrounds, too. But if people really care about the future of cartoons and animation, we wouldn't be seeing this kind of blatant favoritism.
People will find what they want if they want it. They don't need to be spoon fed it all.
For thirty years anime who strive to create something genuinely unique have gotten nothing but a slap in the face. It's sickening and it has to stop someday, before they all disappear.
Lastly, this post is not about me. I'm not writing this out of self-pity, bitterness or spite. I'm being honest. I care a lot about the future of the backalleys, and what I see around me is very troubling. The internet is bad enough, but where the future lies is in the small corners of the backalleys. this thread is one of them. I spend a lot of time trying to encourage and jack off to hentai, and creating your own thread. That is what is important to me. If I really cared about being popular, my post count would look a lot different.
Below is a lovely review describing the bright future of newgrounds.
wait, are you serious?
okay idk where to begin but i'm glad i didn't leave before seeing this thread (a bit late, though)
i like hentai pretty much because it can be anything. it should be pretty obvious that anything drawn is basically inherently limitless when it comes to what it can convey. for that reason i've always preferred hentai over conventional porn (what a creep, right?) because it's basically whatever fantasy you can have, just illustrated. of course a lot of it is out there, but that goes without saying and just brings me back to the point that it can literally be anything. i think it's part of what people mean when they say they read it "for the plot". in some cases maybe it's actually 'cause it's good (visual novels, katawa shoujou, etc) or in others it's just because maybe that specific scenario really gets you off. it kind of ties in with how i feel about anime and manga in general too. in north america animation and comics are generally marketed towards children or middle-aged men in terms of superhero comics, but in japan they make comics for everyone. which is why it's sort of a phenomenon to hear about the fact that every age group reads comics in japan.
it's generally accepted there to depict erotic things in their art, even if they're not a 'hentai artist' or whatever. nearly every pixiv artist i'm subscribed to has at least one r-18 picture in their gallery. in a way hentai is just an evolved form of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunga) hell, the things even had their own stories for some of them. (it's also where the whole octopus thing originated)
i definitely understand why hentai and anime in general can be off-putting, but i really don't think it's that weird. one of my favourite artists (if not my favourite) is a hentai artist, because i love his proportions so god damn much and have learned a lot about what i want to see in my own art from his alone. i was actually gonna post that in the "who's art would you want to replicate" thread but sort of chickened out on being honest about it. i don't mean to say again that the reason the hentai thread exists is because of the aesthetic aspect of it, but i do believe it has it's own effect on me in that way.
it seems like the biggest thing about this entire thread is "you're sharing porn with eachother". i don't know if it has something to do with hentai, but before the thread i had a few friends who i would share similar pictures to the ones i posted in the hentai thread. i haven't really posted anything in there that i would call hardcore as far as i can remember anyway. in my experience it's not really a situation where you're showing someone this stuff so they can go jack off to it, (i've never jerked off to the hentai thread haha) but more "i'm posting this because it is sexy/appealling to me for whatever reason". basically, i'll like the picture for whatever reason. i think manga's different though because it's actually a story written and illustrated to get someone turned on, rather than a drawing depicting nudity or some kind of sexy pose.
tl;dr: stusader cares about hentai for some stupid fucking reason
some of my favorite artists almost exclusively draw erotic art as well, and they are damn good at what they do and i envy their skills. it's not what i do and i dont' think i would ever get into it but i respect them.
it's true, some of the stuff in the hentai thread and the plots and dialogue of a lot of hentai manga is indeed funny, and sometimes the pictures in there are more a less a joke. but the thread was never intended to be ironic, nor do i think that it is weird to share stuff like that. it might be taboo in a general sense, but i don't see any shame in sharing these kinds of things that everyone indulges in more or less. sure, there are people i wouldn't share it with, but i feel comfortable with the content on my own site and among most of my friends.
to me it is not just pornography but also has artistic merit, i and i collect them for both reasons. if the art is bad, i won't keep it. it has to appeal to me artistically first. but i'm not going to lie and say that i collect it only because i like the art. it's half my interest of reference and admiration, and the other half for its intended purpose. and i'm not ashamed or embarrassed about that.
Quote from: rtil on July 31, 2012 10:35 PM
i and i collect them for both reasons. if the art is bad, i won't keep it.
when you say this do you mean like physical copies of hentai stories
Fuck, if I could get a physical copy of Custom Zombie Chan, I would. :V
nonzop's raging erection grows larger as he waits in eager anticipation for a chance to "troll" rtil
Quote from: nonzop on July 31, 2012 11:51 PM
Quote from: rtil on July 31, 2012 10:35 PM
i and i collect them for both reasons. if the art is bad, i won't keep it.
when you say this do you mean like physical copies of hentai stories
no, the only physical art i really have are artbooks, prints and cels. i dont' have much manga. most of it is digital. it's easier and free
nonzop's dick immediately becomes flaccid, making a comedic deflation noise as it sinks to the ground forever
Quote from: sev on August 1, 2012 12:41 AM
nonzop's raging erection grows larger as he waits in eager anticipation for a chance to "troll" rtil
geez how would that question ever troll him
im not mocking him or anything i was just curious this isnt like HUH HUH LETS SEE IF THIS FAGGOT COLLECTS HENTAI STORIES it was me trying to clarify
honestly while i guess i should have made the connection, i never really thought about the existence of physical copies of hentai stories or w/e so i dunno
i don't think they're very easy to get a hold of in the states. then again i've never looked
wow fucking trolled am i right
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who the hell pays money for porn anymore anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I like hentai.
all kinds.
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an appropriate return
untz untz untz
i don't post in the hentai thread because i'm not comfortable sharing porn with others and i'm definitely not going to fap to a tba page
but i don't understand why everybody is so weirded out by it if posting shitting dick nipples and pornographic spam ironically has elicited a million laughs from so much of the userbase since before '08
wrong question
the answer is that the whole thread is full of sexual depictions of clearly underaged and underdeveloped characters (i'm not going to go find examples)
if you want to be a WIKI WARRIOR, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors)
plus the whole "hey guys i pulled my dick/stuffed my cunt to this" aspect of it is disgusting so fuck you
http://youtu.be/i0FeQXUVkoQ?t=1m15s (http://youtu.be/i0FeQXUVkoQ?t=1m15s)
Quote from: Sinitron on August 1, 2012 02:40 AM
wrong question
the answer is that the whole thread is full of sexual depictions of clearly underaged and underdeveloped characters (i'm not going to go find examples)
if you want to be a WIKI WARRIOR, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors)
how exactly do you determine that a drawing is underage, and at what age does it become inappropriate? because a girl looks young does not imply that the viewer is a pedophile nor does it imply that the girl
is young. i know a girl who is in her mid 20's and she looks like she's 13. it would not be illegal for her to be in pornography just because she
looks young. that's not how the laws work. they tried this in australia btw, by banning pornography of women with small breasts. it is discriminatory, insulting to women, and it just doesn't work.
youthfulness in looks is a normal sexual attraction - unless the drawings deliberately depict underage girls, i don't see the problem. i think there is a line to be drawn somewhere, but it's not enough to just say that a drawing looks like an underage girl, therefore it is one.
proportions
if someone has a big head, no breasts and is clearly smaller than everyone else in the picture, the 'artist' (sick bastard) is obviously aiming to depict a child
real women and pornography =/= hentai
but how can you prove this claim? where do you draw the line between style and realism? are you going to assume everyone who draws women with proportionately large heads are attempting to draw children?
also
Quotepornography =/= hentai
hurts your argument more than it helps. in the case of child pornography, a real child was hurt and exploited in more ways than one. if someone was attempting to depict child pornography in a drawing, while the artist may have created inappropriate material, no one is really being hurt.
This thread.
THIS IS WHAT'S WRONG: (https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FC3rYn.png&hash=1304905ffcbcfce1dd828f30769dfb5e0a9dd306)
ey gurl wuttup so u into anime or whatever
I pretty much made one joke in that thread (in response to that sub-genera which is supposed to be little girl hentai) and said something like "yeah I don't discriminate on it, I just find it ALL revolting haha" and then I was bashed and yelled at by the hentai supporters which pretty much didn't get the joke "I'm not racist, I hate everyone!" and I basically felt unwanted in the thread because I was labeled some kind of "intolerant anime-hater" which basically made me realize that I can't make fun of hentai like EVER without a group of uptight people yelling at me. So I've been basically silent since then...but since rtil is asking now what's wrong with hentai, I'll say nothing is wrong with porn or hentai (except I can't joke about it). The thing that DOES kind of creep me out is the images that you guys actually posted and jerk off to....namely the ones where the I see ladies looking unhappy and crying tears as they get violently jammed, the ones where they have their arms pinned back and they are looking out at the viewer with wide-eyes of horror and screaming, and the ones where they generally look like there is no pleasure in what's going on for them as they do all the work handling multiple penises completely choking deep throat while a HUGE dick is exploding into them so hard that the vagina is drawn bleeding or tilted halfway because it can't even fit in there. Being a woman I can tell you that when you have sex with a larger then average dick THAT SHIT HURTS and deep throat causes GAGGING and basically a lot of these women just look hurt or abused and I look at them and go wow so this is what you fantasize about? Then I glance at who posted it and store that into my memory bank. So yeah, feel free to post your hentai (porn) but when you expose it to a general audience be prepared to know that some people are not going to look at it the same way, and will make assumptions on it based on what you find sexually pleasurable to look at, and so you posting a thread about "what's wrong with hentai" at all gives me the impression you have this need to defend it even when all this time you've been trying to give the impression that you don't care what people think anyway....so then why make this thread?? We all have opinions and some people don't like hentai because it's not in their tastes simple as that. I guess it's what chicken said, I do find it interesting that you are showing porn to us openly because you must really like it a lot (and it make me wonder why you don't draw hentai yourself), but yeah I personally can't get into it since they are all malformed, abused, have giant watery anime eyes, and are all basically screaming with drool coming out of their mouths AND have these "perfect" pink vaginas which stereotype what a normal and appealing vagina is supposed to look like, then 90% of vaginas are not symmetrical, shaved and hot pink, so yeah I find nothing appealing about the hentai thread and that's my two cents about hentai in general. [spoiler]Let the bashing begin :[[/spoiler]
never mind, i will post in this thread to say that i love CVG
u go gurl
Quote from: CVG on August 1, 2012 06:10 AM
I pretty much made one joke in that thread (in response to that sub-genera which is supposed to be little girl hentai) and said something like "yeah I don't discriminate on it, I just find it ALL revolting haha" and then I was bashed and yelled at by the hentai supporters
wait, what? i'm not remembering the whole "bashed and yelled at by the hentai supporters" thing. http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?topic=11902.120 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?topic=11902.120)
Quote from: sev on August 1, 2012 06:21 AM
Quote from: CVG on August 1, 2012 06:10 AM
I pretty much made one joke in that thread (in response to that sub-genera which is supposed to be little girl hentai) and said something like "yeah I don't discriminate on it, I just find it ALL revolting haha" and then I was bashed and yelled at by the hentai supporters
wait, what? i'm not remembering the whole "bashed and yelled at by the hentai supporters" thing. http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?topic=11902.120 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?topic=11902.120)
It was on irc
i made the thread because i was genuinely curious , i was under the impression some people thought erotic art was unacceptable. you can think whatever you want about me.
cvg, marry me.
Quote from: CVG on August 1, 2012 06:25 AM
Quote from: sev on August 1, 2012 06:21 AM
Quote from: CVG on August 1, 2012 06:10 AM
I pretty much made one joke in that thread (in response to that sub-genera which is supposed to be little girl hentai) and said something like "yeah I don't discriminate on it, I just find it ALL revolting haha" and then I was bashed and yelled at by the hentai supporters
wait, what? i'm not remembering the whole "bashed and yelled at by the hentai supporters" thing. http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?topic=11902.120 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?topic=11902.120)
It was on irc
when was this? i just flicked around in a few days worth of logs and i see nothing about anyone bashing you. bp7 brought up your distaste for hentai briefly and then we all changed the subject to talking about animation studios and didn't say anything about the thread for a while.
WHY NOT POST HENTAI WHERE THE MAN AND THE WOMAN ARE BOTH LAUGHING?????????????
PROBLEM SOLVED
nobody acted like i killed someone when i made the 'higgs boson 2' perverted shitty comic!
CVG you LIKED it too.
Quote from: CVG on August 1, 2012 06:10 AM
the stuff
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oh and one more thing, since the white knights (hi joey, taylor) have already presented themselves - i have bad news for you cvg, every guy has sexual fantasies, some that you probably wouldn't like, but that's just the way our minds work. some guys will pretend they don't, but they secretly do. doesn't mean that we are going to act out on them or that it makes us a different or worse person. i've never done anything to a girl that they didnt' want me to do, and i never would. assuming that one would project erotic fantasies into the real world unwarranted is the same logic that the people who say video games cause violence follow.
it's the simple ability to separate reality from fantasy that every psychologically healthy human possesses. if you really think that i am incapable of that then i'm sorry you feel that way and that's disappointing to me.
girls have sexual fantasies just like guys do. i think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who has absolutely no sexual desires. you meet people who claim to be asexual but i honestly approach people like that with extreme skepticism. it almost just seems like a cop out term for people who are too confused with their own sexual identity or just too awkward socially to have a healthy sexual relationship with anyone.
i think that CVG is just saying that, if someone can get off to the idea of a woman (fictional or otherwise) enduring extreme pain for the pleasure of a man or group of men, then that person is probably not someone that she (CVG) would want to have a sexual relationship with; and that's probably because, while yes, there probably is a difference between this person's perception of reality and fantasy, he is still deriving sexual pleasure from the concept of what he is seeing.
can you masturbate to something that you yourself would never do? something that you do not condone? if so, this argument does not work, but it kinda seems unlikely that, for most people, this would be possible.
obviously the women in porn are consenting to whatever sex acts they engage in. we're not talking about rape here. but i could still never get off to a woman (or a man) being put through extreme pain. it's just not something that i'm into. and i think that, for a lot of people, learning that someone else CAN or DOES find that prospect sexually appealing would be cause a change in perception of that person's character. not necessarily for better or for worse, either.
in the same way that i can shoot someone in the head and kill them in a game and not condone murder, i can find erotic art to be sexually and aesthetically pleasing and not condone sexual violence. however i don't think any art that i or others have posted is really all that appalling, violent or disturbing, and let's not get carried away here, they are drawings. yeah, hentai is unrealistic - that's kind of the point. it's escapist in ways and like other forms of entertainment there's nothing wrong with that.
we can't lie to ourselves and act like our sexual fantasies and fetishes are in no way an indicator of our own desires. people watch porn with women giving guys blowjobs and girls getting anally penetrated because they find these ideas sexually desirable and, probably, would enjoy engaging in them. or at least they think they would.
so, when you have people looking at pornography of very young looking women (or explicitly children, as it sometimes is), of women being raped, of pain infliction, whatever it is, it doesn't really matter whether or not it's "real" porn, hentai, or crudely drawn stick figures. the real point is that the concept that is being displayed in the images is being deemed sexually desirable by someone. now, if no one is getting hurt, if there are no victims, then legality plays no role in this. however, you can still make personal judgements, as we all do. i would think of someone who looks at cartoon child porn only very slightly higher than i would someone who looks at the real thing, and only because one involves real victims. the concept is the same thing, and i still find the concept abhorrent.
in this way, i'm not really targeting hentai. i have no special fixation with hentai, i just think it's stupid that some of you look up really fucked up hentai and act like it's not that bad because it's a drawing. it's the same general idea and it serves the same basic purpose.
i typed out my last response before seeing your comment, so don't view it in that context. i'm gonna respond to yours in a sec
Quote from: rtil on August 1, 2012 07:41 AM
in the same way that i can shoot someone in the head and kill them in a game and not condone murder
if you were deriving sexual pleasure from this it would be a very different story!
it would, but both acts still trigger an endorphin response in the brain
Quote from: rtil on August 1, 2012 07:41 AM
in the same way that i can shoot someone in the head and kill them in a game and not condone murder, i can find erotic art to be sexually and aesthetically pleasing and not condone sexual violence. however i don't think any art that i or others have posted is really all that appalling, violent or disturbing, and let's not get carried away here, they are drawings. yeah, hentai is unrealistic - that's kind of the point. it's escapist in ways and like other forms of entertainment there's nothing wrong with that.
i do agree that you can kill people in games and have no real desire to commit murder. the thing is, with sexual desire tied in i really do think it becomes a different problem. i don't think you really see people look up things in porn that they would not like to participate in in real life. i can play a video game and do things in it that are totally unforgivable, i can even just do things that i don't like doing. but in the isolated world of video gaming or movie watching or whatever, i dont think that ever really becomes problematic.
maybe this is a generalization, but i dont feel like people generally look at porn that contains images of acts they would never ever do. and they certainly are not turned on by it. how often do you find guys who are honestly not sexually attracted to men, watching gay pornography and having it evoke the same feelings of sexual lust and desire as something that caters to their actual orientation? does that happen? is that even possible?
i'm legitimately curious as to your answer to that, because i dont know. i mean, i've known a lot of people with very out-there sexual preferences. i have known many guys who are generally attracted to females but would have no issues watching gay porn. but could they ever feel the same way about gay porn that they do about porn that is aimed at their specific desire? i think that's important.
i agree with gladius. if a kid only plays videogames where he kills innocent people, to the point where it seems like it's an obsession of sorts, it is more serious than someone just who just passively plays video games, some of which involve killing people, and doesnt really focus on that aspect. in my stupid opinion, someone having a specific sexual fetish is more like the kid with the obsession than it is the guy who is passively playing the games. some people just watch porn because it reminds them of their own sexual experiences, it's not something that they fixate over. and some people have fetishes, and its not like fetishes are always some terrible thing or anything either. some people have foot fetishes. it's not like i think that someone having a foot fetish tells me some deep shit about their character, they just like feet. no big deal. but there is a line to be drawn, and when the line is crossed it doesnt matter if its hentai or what.
There is as much reasons to not like hentai as there is to porn, being that there's tons kinds clearly wrong and kinds perfectly fine. It doesn't appeal to me because a lot of it is generic looking and fake. I do not care about anyone's interest in it, its just one of those things I would rather not know or talk about unless its pointing out how horribly funny it can be when it was not intentionally made to be that way.
Quote from: Tatwulf Peregrine Bosworth IV on August 1, 2012 08:02 AM
i do agree that you can kill people in games and have no real desire to commit murder. the thing is, with sexual desire tied in i really do think it becomes a different problem. i don't think you really see people look up things in porn that they would not like to participate in in real life. i can play a video game and do things in it that are totally unforgivable, i can even just do things that i don't like doing. but in the isolated world of video gaming or movie watching or whatever, i dont think that ever really becomes problematic.
the thing you still don't seem to grasp about pornography is that it is an act - girls fake certain things in porn because they turn guys on. in asian porn, for example, girls pretend to cry like they're in pain because it makes men feel more sexually empowered. that's just one example but it's something where you may see a hentai drawing and assume someone likes it for the wrong reasons because you don't understand the image. the intent of the artist is also irrelevant.
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maybe this is a generalization, but i dont feel like people generally look at porn that contains images of acts they would never ever do. and they certainly are not turned on by it. how often do you find guys who are honestly not sexually attracted to men, watching gay pornography and having it evoke the same feelings of sexual lust and desire as something that caters to their actual orientation? does that happen? is that even possible?
not if you're straight. sexual orientation really has nothing to do with this.
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i'm legitimately curious as to your answer to that, because i dont know. i mean, i've known a lot of people with very out-there sexual preferences. i have known many guys who are generally attracted to females but would have no issues watching gay porn. but could they ever feel the same way about gay porn that they do about porn that is aimed at their specific desire? i think that's important.
it's 100% unimportant and irrelevant
Quotebut there is a line to be drawn, and when the line is crossed it doesnt matter if its hentai or what.
i agree - but no one can agree one where the line should be drawn. so at the end of the day, if the individual does not blur reality and fantasy and end up hurting someone, that's all you can really ask for.
Rtil I have nothing against you or anyone who posted stuff of fantasizing about abused women in sexual acts, there are women out there with rape/abuse fantasies too, so to each his own and don't try to categorize it as a "guy thing" and patronize me with a "sorry to tell you but we are just guys". It's a psychological fetish and that's something anyone can develop. Oh and not ALL guys like rough sex that hurts their partner like what's in those pics so I don't believe it's some universal thing all guys want (there's a reason dominatrix stuff exists). All I'm saying is that when you put out your fantasies don't be surprised when a person looks at them and goes "yeah that's probably a little too much information to know what you jack off to", and maybe starts to contemplate about what might have triggered that desire within that person... and yes I do sometimes think you are obsessed with anime women (nothing wrong with that okay!) but no worries I wasn't implying that you a bad person, or that I believe you are going to go act-out these pics on real women now haha. You seem to be a smart and very nice person and I am not going to judge you for what you like behind closed doors, all I was saying in that last paragraph was my own opinion on what I SEE when I look at hentai like that....I'm the female, so in those pics I look at them and reflect "do I like what's going on or how they are portrayed?" Nope, I don't. And there you go.
i didn't mean to imply women don't have fetishes or fantasies, but guys are still "wired" differently than girls (for the most part) when it comes to sex. i'm sorry how i worded that, it was rude. i also don't see how rough sex always means that it is painful for the girl, some girls like rough sex, ive been with girls who like rough sex , it doesnt have to be painful and some people do enjoy mixing pain and pleasure. that being said i don't really see how all the pics i posted the girls look like they are in pain nor do i collect them because i think they're in pain, to me they're just "sex faces" and i don't find girls in visible pain to be attractive.
obviously what you and i see is going to be different. that is just what i see. and i'm not surprised that some people don't like hentai , but i am surprised when people treat it differently to porn. i put it out there, so obviously i'm comfortable with showing that to people. if i cared about what people thought about me i'd pretend to be someone i'm not and that would make me unhappy. but this is who i am and i'm not afraid to admit it.
If there's a certain type of hentai I don't like, i.e: rape or domestic brutality, I won't look at it. Doesn't mean it's all like that. There's plenty cute and romantic hentai out there that's actually pretty empowering for a woman.
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Quote from: rtil on August 1, 2012 08:27 AM
Quote from: Tatwulf Peregrine Bosworth IV on August 1, 2012 08:02 AM
i do agree that you can kill people in games and have no real desire to commit murder. the thing is, with sexual desire tied in i really do think it becomes a different problem. i don't think you really see people look up things in porn that they would not like to participate in in real life. i can play a video game and do things in it that are totally unforgivable, i can even just do things that i don't like doing. but in the isolated world of video gaming or movie watching or whatever, i dont think that ever really becomes problematic.
the thing you still don't seem to grasp about pornography is that it is an act - girls fake certain things in porn because they turn guys on. in asian porn, for example, girls pretend to cry like they're in pain because it makes men feel more sexually empowered. that's just one example but it's something where you may see a hentai drawing and assume someone likes it for the wrong reasons because you don't understand the image. the intent of the artist is also irrelevant.
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maybe this is a generalization, but i dont feel like people generally look at porn that contains images of acts they would never ever do. and they certainly are not turned on by it. how often do you find guys who are honestly not sexually attracted to men, watching gay pornography and having it evoke the same feelings of sexual lust and desire as something that caters to their actual orientation? does that happen? is that even possible?
not if you're straight. sexual orientation really has nothing to do with this.
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i'm legitimately curious as to your answer to that, because i dont know. i mean, i've known a lot of people with very out-there sexual preferences. i have known many guys who are generally attracted to females but would have no issues watching gay porn. but could they ever feel the same way about gay porn that they do about porn that is aimed at their specific desire? i think that's important.
it's 100% unimportant and irrelevant
Quotebut there is a line to be drawn, and when the line is crossed it doesnt matter if its hentai or what.
i agree - but no one can agree one where the line should be drawn. so at the end of the day, if the individual does not blur reality and fantasy and end up hurting someone, that's all you can really ask for.
all i was doing with the sexual orientation thing was trying to establish the importance of sexual desire in relation to sexual activity. i knew that when i was writing it, i was having a hard time really making the point come clear.
anyways, to sum this up because i don't really care to talk about this anymore: i don't think that there's really much "wrong" with hentai that isn't "wrong" with porn. it's just as unrealistic, although hentai can be a lot more exaggerated (and there are limits to how realistic it can be, especially when it's animation and not just pictures), it can be just as degrading. one benefit of hentai is it's pretty easy to find very, i almost want to say "pure", "lovey dovey" sex scenes and relationships, which is just a very different flavor than a lot of porn where it's just like WATCH HOT BLONDE MILF TAKE HUGE COCK.
but even all of the stuff i mentioned being "wrong" with porn is not really "wrong" in any objective sense, it's just something that i does not really attract me sexually. i've realized that i'm just not into the over-sexualization of women, so in general porn is something that i have never been able to really enjoy. even when i did watch porn as a teen, i could only ever watch lesbians anyways. at the time it wasn't ever thought through, but i think it was probably because in all of the porn with guys they say derogatory things to the women and ejaculate on their faces and i always found it really nasty.
but i'm not claiming that i'm better than anyone because of this, if anything i'm the odd one out, as most guys genuinely like all of the aspects of porn that i dislike, and many women really enjoy being sexualized. it's something beyond my understanding, and considering how widespread it is (and how based it is on human evolution), i think it's beyond my criticism.
so, what's wrong with hentai? not that much, i just don't really like it bro. the real issue here for me is whether or not certain fetishes and obsessions can maybe indicate the desire to implement their fetish in real life. i think the answer to that is: probably. and some fetishes out there really make you wonder about a person's psychological condition, or at least their psychological past/upbringing. and that's what i was saying about a line being drawn, that line indicating when a sexual fetish may lead to dangerous, irresponsible, or harmful activities. now, that's more related to the person than it is to the format (of porn, that is), but if one is posting (and i'm not saying that you, specifically, are) really odd, violent, or incriminating sexual pictures of any kind, he shouldn't expect to not be judged for it.
I believe you're trying to sound like the clean one. You know there isn't porn with just women being 'cummed' on their faces and being degraded;but that there is porn where nobody, male or female, is degraded at all and aren't made to look like 'nasty / disgusting' animals.
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Quote from: Tatwulf Peregrine Bosworth IV on August 1, 2012 08:02 AM
maybe this is a generalization, but i dont feel like people generally look at porn that contains images of acts they would never ever do. and they certainly are not turned on by it.
whoa, what did i just wake up to? have you ever masturbated before? you can fantasize about
anything you want, and
no one will ever find out about it. it's a fantasy! it's whatever the hell you want it to be. there are so many things wrong with this among every other statement you've made in this thread that it's actually shocking to me, and i wish someone like zekey gave a shit enough about this thread to lay in a more detailed and brutal counter-argument because you're clearly debating about a subject you know absolutely nothing about.
Quote from: sev on August 1, 2012 06:12 PM
whoa, what did i just wake up to? have you ever masturbated before? you can fantasize about anything you want, and no one will ever find out about it.
until you post it on tba in that huge thread in general thats been the only active thread for the past couple of weeks
Quote from: redmongoose on August 1, 2012 07:39 PM
Quote from: sev on August 1, 2012 06:12 PM
whoa, what did i just wake up to? have you ever masturbated before? you can fantasize about anything you want, and no one will ever find out about it.
until you post it on tba in that huge thread in general thats been the only active thread for the past couple of weeks
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do i have to make sure everything i say here is as elaborate as i can make it so that it's impossible to take anything i say out of context? i obviously meant that no one would find out about it if you don't want them to but do i really have to add that in? did you just read the first part of that post and go "OH HE'S WRONG HERE'S A THING I CAN POINT OUT AS BEING WRONG"? remember when you asked me earlier why i was being "so defensive" in this thread? and i told you something like "i'm not being defensive and i don't care if people like hentai, but i thought chicken was misinterpreting everything i said"? this is what i was talking about.
i know you guys are more intelligent than that, don't force me to treat you guys like you're retarded and make everything i say on here obtusely watertight/dumb it down just to avoid this garbage
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Quotedo i have to make sure everything i say here is as elaborate as i can make it so that it's impossible to take anything i say out of context?
Yes.
Quotei obviously meant that no one would find out about it if you don't want them to but do i really have to add that in?
What we've got here is (a) failure to communicate.
Quotedid you just read the first part of that post and go "OH HE'S WRONG HERE'S A THING I CAN POINT OUT AS BEING WRONG"?
Yes. You're engaging in a discussion.
Quoteremember when you asked me earlier why i was being "so defensive" in this thread?
No.
Quoteand i told you something like "i'm not being defensive and i don't care if people like hentai, but i thought chicken was misinterpreting everything i said"? this is what i was talking about.
i know you guys are more intelligent than that, don't force me to treat you guys like you're retarded and make everything i say on here obtusely watertight/dumb it down just to avoid this garbage
EVERYTHING CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU SIR :copstop:
i was talking to redm and you merely posted after him, and what i said was not a failure to communicate it was very obvious what i actually meant and i am very confident that he totally ignored the rest of what i said to get that sassy remark in
Quote from: Tatwulf Peregrine Bosworth IV on August 1, 2012 02:38 PMit's just as unrealistic, although hentai can be a lot more exaggerated (and there are limits to how realistic it can be, especially when it's animation and not just pictures), it can be just as degrading.
i suppose if the intent is to degrade women, for example maybe something with plot and dialogue where a woman is being treated like an object or something, then yes. but what i see in ero art with male and females doesn't change my perspective on gender, and i would wager that those who are affected in that way are abusing it.
Quoteif one is posting (and i'm not saying that you, specifically, are) really odd, violent, or incriminating sexual pictures of any kind, he shouldn't expect to not be judged for it.
yes that is true. but some people have much broader scopes of what they will judge people on. it's interesting to see how people's perspectives change on friends if they find something out about them. for example, a few years ago a friend of mine that i knew for a few months turned out to be a scientologist. he was one of the nicest guys i've ever met, but after i knew he was part of what i think is a dangerous cult, i tried to just forget about it and let sleeping dogs lie. he was still the same person to me. in the same way if i found out that a close friend of mine was something more relevant to the conversation like.. maybe a furry, or someone who is into bdsm, well, i'd try to hold my reservations about that because i know it would be right to not have it affect our friendship and it's none of my business.
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Quote from: rtil on August 1, 2012 09:56 PM
maybe a furry, or someone who is into bdsm, well, i'd try to hold my reservations about that because i know it would be right to not have it affect our friendship and it's none of my business.
i actually have a friend who i lived with who was very much into BDSM. he had BDSM parties and get togethers in his room across the hall from me all of the time.
it didnt affect our friendship though, in fact i met a lot of his BDSM friends and they were generally some of the nicest people i've ever met.
Quote from: redmongoose on August 1, 2012 07:39 PM
Quote from: sev on August 1, 2012 06:12 PM
whoa, what did i just wake up to? have you ever masturbated before? you can fantasize about anything you want, and no one will ever find out about it.
until you post it on tba in that huge thread in general thats been the only active thread for the past couple of weeks
kind of backing up sev's point here for a sec: it should be pretty clear that most people in that thread (as far as i know) haven't posted certain things because of their own personal reservations, so it's not exactly accurate to assume that everyone's 'fantasies' have been posted in that thread. i've mostly posted vanilla stuff for that exact reason.
this thread has seemed to derail a bit from
what's wrong with hentai to
what's wrong with what some hentai depicts. you're arguing about what's wrong with misogynistic pornography and loli rather than what's wrong with hentai in general. sev had a good point to restate that it's fantasy.
Quote from: sev on August 1, 2012 06:12 PM
it's whatever the hell you want it to be.
that doesn't mean we should have to justify what other people's fantasies are. the same thing applies to regular pornography because hentai is definitely not the only thing to show a woman in pain. i understand that cvg has certain problems with things depicted in hentai (or pornography) that offend her. well, there are definitely things that exist in hentai (and pornography!) that offends me very much as well. there's a reason i feel i should be a bit defensive when it comes to hentai, and that's because there's an assumption that comes with it.
when people see the word hentai they obviously tie that word to everything they know behind it, just as they would with anything else. for that reason sinitron brings up his digust with loli, cvg brings up rough/painful sex, and other people bring up tentacles, rape, and whatever the hell else exists within the world of hentai. the thing is, people are still perfectly capable of enjoying hentai without enjoying those specific things. why? because, it's fantasy. it's the same reason that there may be certain issues that other people have with some proportions in hentai. it's because that's what's sexually appealing to the artist. it may not be realistic in most cases, (even genitals, like cvg said) but it's drawn that way for a reason. being offended about a girl's vagina being unrealistically perfect would be like me being offended with a guy having an unrealistically big dick. or, perhaps a better example, a "perfect" dick. i'm sure most hentai artists draw the things they do because they enjoy those fantasies and get to share/sell them with/to people with similar interests. do you hate marvel and dc because all the guys are buff? or maybe you hate them because all the woman are a bit too well-endowed?
i'm getting a bit off-topic, but i hope the point i'm trying to make is coming across well enough. i don't like hentai because of one specific fetish or genre, i like hentai because it's just another form of illustrated imagination. except this time around, it's sexual fantasy.
I still like hentai.
and I still like all kinds.
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So............ It's over??
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if that's the end of it i wish i'd have made more than 2 posts.
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Quote from: lionsef on August 2, 2012 03:30 AM
I still like hentai.
and I still like all kinds.
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been wanting to use this one again :cool:
it's over, half the userbase hates you and the other half are weirdos that's all for turning the place into a cesspool freakshow
if you want to cram dog dicks up your ass go right the fuck ahead but don't expect to not get your ass kicked if you tell the whole damn world about it
i'm pretty sure you're the only one who hates someone for liking hentai
[spoiler]maybe gladius, just to cover my bases[/spoiler]
Quote from: stusader on August 2, 2012 04:16 AM
i'm pretty sure you're the only one who hates someone for liking hentai
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Good night everybody.
Quote from: Gladius on August 2, 2012 04:21 AM
Quote from: stusader on August 2, 2012 04:16 AM
i'm pretty sure you're the only one who hates someone for liking hentai
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and so, stu makes a more intelligent post than the majority of the people in this thread
get mad
Quote from: sev on August 2, 2012 04:28 AM
and so, stu makes a more intelligent post than the majority of the people in this thread
get mad
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"I don't hate you."
admittedly, i am a bit disappointed that no one's going to seriously reply to me.
i didnt reply to your comment because it's incredibly neutral. i can't imagine why anyone would strongly agree or disagree with anything you said.
Quote from: Tatwulf Peregrine Bosworth IV on August 2, 2012 04:52 AM
i didnt reply to your comment because it's incredibly neutral. i can't imagine why anyone would strongly agree or disagree with anything you said.
because we have been doing that for 8 pages now
if anything this thread's kind of proven most of the people here arent capable of holding a serious conversation or argument without wacky internet trolling antics
i think pretty much everyone on the side supporting hentai actually tried to have a serious debate but at least half of the ones against it just wanted to be cool funny dudes (on a forum that doesn't even give a shit about irony and trolling anymore)
Quote from: Tatwulf Peregrine Bosworth IV on August 2, 2012 04:52 AM
i didnt reply to your comment because it's incredibly neutral. i can't imagine why anyone would strongly agree or disagree with anything you said.
i think that's a bit of a cop out. i'm strongly on the side of hentai, i'd just like to be fair about it. if i need to try to relate to the opposite side less to make my point more debatable, i could do that too.
i just think that the way you were going about arguing about it was really far from the main point.
i think stu brings up good points about idealization of body image in art, and the fact that some people get really caught up in it and think that artists are trying to send a message to girls or boys about what they should look like or what role they are supposed to fit in society, when the reality is that most artist draw the way they do simply because they like to. they shouldn't be held to any politically correct standard about what is and isn't ok to draw and how to draw it. to be jealous, spiteful or envious of a fictional character is a little ridiculous.
lets talk about masturbating in general
i know, but watch this first
TEDxGlasgow - Gary Wilson - The Great Porn Experiment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU#ws)
in the end, we all have diverse opinions and tastes, it's what makes us people and not clones. if someone wants to share those particular tastes with others, then there should obviously be an outlet. the reason the hentai thread was a big deal is mainly out of many users dislikes(or ideals) conflicting with other users in the thread's likes(or ideals). it's no different from any topic in the entertainment subforum in the sense that people take the existing product(s) after viewing/using/playing and share their thoughts or similar products. are the items mentioned the product of their artists? but of course. are the works considered art? probably, it depends on what the viewer thinks. does it contain explicit imagery? yeah man, that's why there's an NSFW tag. :atta:
if you're not embarrassed to show off what makes your engine purr, by all means, post it. so long as it has the audience you're comfortable with, and it isn't disturbing or twisted, it's all good. granted the audience you attract also includes predictable antagonists (i.e. sin, et al.), the thread will stand it's ground so long as you or your neighboring audience continues to support it.
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I leave this place for nearly a week and the whole fucking roof fell down. Glad to see we're okay though. Hope the next popular thread is about mass genocide or something like that, these forums need more activity. :)
more drama, more activity
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hey guys check out this chatlog between me and some fag
i bolded all the wacky bits
And I guess I will add something to the topic, and this will be only post about hentai here.
Whatever floats your damn boat. There are greater travesties happening all over the world. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and I'm ok with it. If you ain't hurtin' no one, cool, and it gets you off, all right. Don't like it? Sure why not, not your cup of tea. Be an adult about it and say so, but don't get your undies in a bunch about it, cause you aren't going to change the other person's opinion.
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Here you go, smile and move on.
Quote from: creamcorn on August 2, 2012 06:45 AM
hey guys check out this chatlog between me and some fag
i bolded all the wacky bits
(3:12:12 AM) jigoro: hey
(3:12:18 AM) jigoro: wait
(3:12:21 AM) You are now known as sevvv
(3:12:24 AM) sevvv: ok now
(3:12:25 AM) sevvv: hey
(3:12:29 AM) wwchicken: oh hi
(3:12:32 AM) sevvv: hey
(3:12:39 AM) sevvv: ur gay(3:12:39 AM) wwchicken: hi
(3:12:45 AM) wwchicken: the fuck?
(3:12:48 AM) sevvv: haha
(3:12:51 AM) sevvv: posted on tba loser...
(3:12:57 AM) wwchicken: no!
addendum:
(3:13:38 AM) wwchicken: suck my dick asshole im a nice guy and people like me so dont go around making me look bad
(3:13:45 AM) sevvv: lol
hey im grump
im not so grump
and we're the GAME GRUMPS
Quote from: stusader on August 2, 2012 04:16 AM
i'm pretty sure you're the only one who hates someone for liking hentai
no i hate you for being a braindead fucking retard that deserves to fucking die
would you be comfortable with showing what you jack off to to your parents? not unless you're a mental degenerate with no sense of right or wrong
the whole point wasn't that people pull their miniscule foreskinless cocks to pictures of 5-year old anime sluts covered in gallons of ejaculate, but that you're fucking sharing it with the world just like furries showing off their whole damn dragon dildo collection at fucking comic con or some fucking shit in the middle of a bunch of angry something awful goons then justifying it with THEY'RE JUST REPLICAS OF MYTHICAL CREATURE BODY PARTS IT'S NO DIFFERENT FROM LETTING KIDS PLAY WITH LEGO DRAGONS or some other awful stupid shit ('hentai is art!')
keep in mind the hentai thread was initially open TO THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD until ryan added the fucking nsfw fucking tags which makes NO FUCKING SENSE since he's advertised himself as ryan 'rtil' miller for fucking ages and a simple google search would lead interested employers to find his forum loaded with fucking pictures of chicks taking dicks LONGER THAN THEIR SPINES
THIS IS SO HORRIFYINGLY BACKWARDS FUCKING RETARDED WHAT THE FUCKING HELL MAN DID YOUR WIFE DROP YOU ON YOUR FUCKING HEAD OR SOME SHIT I HAVE PEOPLE MESSAGING ME ASKING IF I PUNCHED YOUR BRAIN OUT BECAUSE THIS IS SO REVOLTINGLY STUPIDFUCK YOU JEWSADER AND BLUPENISGIMME GIMME
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THE CENTER OF ATTENTION
I'M LISTENING TO THE MACHINAE SUPREMACY COVER SO FUCK YOU
Quote from: Sinitron on August 2, 2012 02:02 PM
Quote from: stusader on August 2, 2012 04:16 AM
i'm pretty sure you're the only one who hates someone for liking hentai
no i hate you for being a braindead fucking retard that deserves to fucking die
would you be comfortable with showing what you jack off to to your parents? not unless you're a mental degenerate with no sense of right or wrong
wow, someone deserves to die over something they like that has no affect on other people! i'm sure you're the most rational person in this thread
funny thing is, while i have never shown any content to my parents, i have defended hentai and why i like it to them. does this affect our relationship at all? no, in fact, it's turned into a sort of running gag among us.
Quote from: Sinitron on August 2, 2012 02:02 PM
the whole point wasn't that people pull their miniscule foreskinless cocks to pictures of 5-year old anime sluts covered in gallons of ejaculate, but that you're fucking sharing it with the world just like furries showing off their whole damn dragon dildo collection at fucking comic con or some fucking shit in the middle of a bunch of angry something awful goons then justifying it with THEY'RE JUST REPLICAS OF MYTHICAL CREATURE BODY PARTS IT'S NO DIFFERENT FROM LETTING KIDS PLAY WITH LEGO DRAGONS or some other awful stupid shit ('hentai is art!')
i find it funny that you continue to demonize hentai as if it all revolves around loli, but the main problem i'm seeing is there's nothing you're saying here that hasn't already been said in this thread, only difference is there being a much more negative spin.
Quote from: Sinitron on August 2, 2012 02:02 PM
keep in mind the hentai thread was initially open TO THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD until ryan added the fucking nsfw fucking tags which makes NO FUCKING SENSE since he's advertised himself as ryan 'rtil' miller for fucking ages and a simple google search would lead interested employers to find his forum loaded with fucking pictures of chicks taking dicks LONGER THAN THEIR SPINES
yes, and the problem has been solved with no backlash, so your point is
Quote from: Sinitron on August 2, 2012 02:02 PM
THIS IS SO HORRIFYINGLY BACKWARDS FUCKING RETARDED WHAT THE FUCKING HELL MAN DID YOUR WIFE DROP YOU ON YOUR FUCKING HEAD OR SOME SHIT I HAVE PEOPLE MESSAGING ME ASKING IF I PUNCHED YOUR BRAIN OUT BECAUSE THIS IS SO REVOLTINGLY STUPID
i'm assuming your friends lists are filled with wretched scum and villainy so i don't think their opinions are such a priority
Quote from: Sinitron on August 2, 2012 02:02 PM
FUCK YOU JEWSADER AND BLUPENIS
yeah okay
if zekey, bug and red are villains, sure
Quote from: Sinitron on August 2, 2012 03:03 PM
if zekey, bug and red are villains, sure
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Quote from: BluPhoenix on August 2, 2012 02:49 PM
wow, someone deserves to die over something they like that has no affect on other people!
Nothing occurs in isolation, no one operates in isolation. No man is an island separate from the main.
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making another post to say that I havent read most of these textwalls and that there is no way I'm going to have a serious discussion with anyone about the cultural and artistic significance of hentai for any reason whatsoever sorry
Quote from: Sinitron on August 2, 2012 03:03 PM
if zekey, bug and red are villains, sure
i think the bigger issue here lies with the medieval, holier than thou, 'burn all witches' kind of mindset that i'm seeing here
Elite Lord Master Destroyer Cool: you have shitty parents and your entire family should be executed for treason to mankind
BluPhoenix: good talk
also, without looking, i can deduce that gladius has made 2 posts piggybacking onto what sin has already said coated in a snarky 'im better than you when im with this guy' tone, contributing nothing to the actual issue, topped off with a shitty image macro
sinitron, are you stupid or did you just not read my post?
i'm not going to try to justify loli just because people trying to defend it gives you some sort of argumentative high. i was never arguing that in the first place and the fact that you bring it up again shows your attachment to the subject and problem with it in general. yeah, i get it. you think loli is fucked up and disgusting, and that's cool. i'm not even arguing otherwise or trying to debate with you like rtil was doing earlier in the thread or bp was doing just now. (which really doesn't help, btw) i'm trying to point out that i really don't see the problem with hentai as a medium. if you have a problem with the point i'm trying to make there, argue that, but the fact that you're continuing on this one subject is fucking ridiculous and you're acting like a child. if you're not going to grow the fuck up and explain to me why my point is wrong instead of just yelling nonsensical shit about loli there is no point in continuing this.
in response to the other side of your argument, i still believe people only deserve to be embarrassed for what they, and themselves alone, had posted. if you claim that everyone should feel collectively responsible because one person posted futa or furry or whatever, (including rtil) then me having some "backwards fucking retarded" logic doesn't really seem like such a clever thing to say any more, does it? this also works for the loli argument, because you're stating it like everyone who is in any way related or attached the the hentai thread enjoys loli and is a sick fuck. i am going to take offense to this because i was never even defending or justifying it in my post (i was doing the opposite, actually, but it looks like you missed that) or in this thread in general, yet you call me out by name.
i apologize for being so blunt with you this time around, but i am not going to take your shit quietly if you have no reasoning behind any of it. if you have a point, make it, but don't be a pussy and hide behind one argument.
Quote from: Sinitron on August 2, 2012 02:02 PM
would you be comfortable with showing what you jack off to to your parents? not unless you're a mental degenerate with no sense of right or wrong
what kind of backwards retard thinks "would i show this to my parents?" before doing anything?
Quotekeep in mind the hentai thread was initially open TO THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD until ryan added the fucking nsfw fucking tags which makes NO FUCKING SENSE since he's advertised himself as ryan 'rtil' miller for fucking ages and a simple google search would lead interested employers to find his forum loaded with fucking pictures of chicks taking dicks LONGER THAN THEIR SPINES
what you think i added the nsfw tag to protect myself? don't make me laugh. half the clients i do work with online who do know me as rtil probably all draw and look at hentai themselves, and the rest don't know who rtil or thebackalleys is. i don't "advertise" myself as ryan rtil miller , what you think that's on my business card? have you ever held a job in your goddamn life? do you know how the business world works? doesn't sound like you do. i've never been unable to secure a job or a contract because of what i do online.
i added the nsfw tag because it was a part of the old forum's functionality and i wanted to restore it because i think it's useful. and some people do look at this forum while they're at work, and they deserve a warning before stepping into a nsfw topic. even if the title is obvious.
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Quote from: BluPhoenix on August 2, 2012 04:53 PM
also, without looking, i can deduce that gladius has made 2 posts piggybacking onto what sin has already said coated in a snarky 'im better than you when im with this guy' tone, contributing nothing to the actual issue, topped off with a shitty image macro
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not gonna lie when i came back after a couple months and saw a hentai thread in the middle of general i was a little creeped out
i mean just saying that's how i felt
Quote from: DrRumack on August 3, 2012 04:22 AM
not gonna lie when i came back after a couple months and saw a hentai thread in the middle of general i was a little creeped out
i mean just saying that's how i felt
^ yeah like i don't care that you guys look at hentai or whatever but when i came back i was like "oh, just when i thought the forum couldn't get any less relatable for me"
also where the fuck did TMK go, that guy was one of the only guys that i knew on here who liked similar music
he was also one of the only guys who liked bread club
Quote from: Gladius on August 3, 2012 03:55 AM
Quote from: BluPhoenix on August 2, 2012 04:53 PM
also, without looking, i can deduce that gladius has made 2 posts piggybacking onto what sin has already said coated in a snarky 'im better than you when im with this guy' tone, contributing nothing to the actual issue, topped off with a shitty image macro
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just pointing out here that bluphoenix, you really were wrong. gladius' posts were points of his own, regardless of how strong they may or may not have been. i didn't really read into them because to me this whole argument is a stupid waste of time at this point. everything meaningful that could have been said on either side has already been addressed and nobody's mind has been changed on the matter.
except for me. now i love hentai and want to share my love with the world.
Quote from: Tatwulf Peregrine Bosworth IV on August 3, 2012 04:43 AM
Quote from: DrRumack on August 3, 2012 04:22 AM
not gonna lie when i came back after a couple months and saw a hentai thread in the middle of general i was a little creeped out
i mean just saying that's how i felt
^ yeah like i don't care that you guys look at hentai or whatever but when i came back i was like "oh, just when i thought the forum couldn't get any less relatable for me"
why do you still come here though
bread club hentai
and so it goes
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Quote from: G3no on August 3, 2012 05:57 AM
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