Kill La Kill

[rtil]

i'd say that trend is fairly par the course

[naturally]

fair enough

[Stu4U]

[Gilthwixt]

Something that's been bothering me since Episode 1: If Ryuko grew up with her dad nearby why is she completely unfamiliar with the town and the school? Did it really spring up in the time since she left? And for that matter if he died and she went chasing after the assassin how did he make Senketsu? Did it already exist at that point?

It doesn't add up and I suspect mindfuckery is involved.

[zwimmy]

Something that's been bothering me since Episode 1: If Ryuko grew up with her dad nearby why is she completely unfamiliar with the town and the school? Did it really spring up in the time since she left? And for that matter if he died and she went chasing after the assassin how did he make Senketsu? Did it already exist at that point?

It doesn't add up and I suspect mindfuckery is involved.

Ryuko and her dad lived in another town. She came to Honnouji Academy looking for leads about his murder. If you look at the flashbacks, it appears that her father was killed not too long before the series started, so Senketsu would have already been made.



Now for episode 4. I thought it was pretty fun. Reminded me a lot of the episode "Death Race 2010" from Panty & Stocking, which I enjoyed a lot. You can't deny it's a filler episode, though. Next one looks really interesting, looks like we're finally gonna find out who that red mohawk guy is.

[iinnkk]

it feels like the show's not even really going to start until ep4

i have bad news for you

[Stu4U]

cute girls,
and ass kicking.

still all i see

[Necronomitr0n]

can i just say i think it's hilarious that they still allow ryuko to attend the academy even though she's killed 2 of their 2-star officers

[Gilthwixt]

can i just say i think it's hilarious that they still allow ryuko to attend the academy even though she's killed 2 of their 2-star officers

I don't think they're dead, you'll probably see them in the background somewhere. Boxing kid maybe, but Tennis girl definitely seemed alive by the end of that fight (unless the entire school enjoys staring at naked dead chicks).

Edit: Just checked and Satsuki demoted her to a no-star after she was defeated which would be pretty redundant if she were dead.

I think what's weirder is how incredibly serious everyone takes expulsion from a school that is quite comfortable killing its students, to the point that they would risk their lives in some crazy deadman wonderland game to stay.

[naturally]

it feels like the show's not even really going to start until ep4

i have bad news for you

not what i meant but ok

anyway, ep4 was pretty amazing. i'm excited to see how over the top this show can get.

[rtil]

eh.. i mean i can kinda see that but i'm afraid that some people are reading too much into it because it's trigger. people like to pretend that gurren lagann had some extremely deep and intricate plot, but it was mostly absurdity and parody, with a few hints of thoughtfulness to give it a purpose. it can be enjoyed for its simplicity, and doesn't need to be complicated to make it a masterpiece (i don't think gurren lagann is a masterpiece, but i know many people do) - and it's not.

kill la kill is the same way. i've read a couple "theories" about plays on japanese words and the meanings behind the outfits and everything, and yeah, it can be seen that way. but KLK is, at its core, a revenge story. ryuuko is already "grown up", she already knows all men are pigs, and she got over the fact she had to [spoiler]strip completely naked to activate the true power of senketsu[/spoiler] pretty quickly.

i think that the senketsu do reflect ryuuko and satsuki's characters pretty well based on how they react to their appearance, but i would be wary to read into it more than that.

[rtil]

also the ED and some elements of the show are inspired by sukeban deka live action drama

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glove

[Bamyasi]

eh.. i mean i can kinda see that but i'm afraid that some people are reading too much into it because it's trigger. people like to pretend that gurren lagann had some extremely deep and intricate plot, but it was mostly absurdity and parody, with a few hints of thoughtfulness to give it a purpose. it can be enjoyed for its simplicity, and doesn't need to be complicated to make it a masterpiece (i don't think gurren lagann is a masterpiece, but i know many people do) - and it's not.

kill la kill is the same way. i've read a couple "theories" about plays on japanese words and the meanings behind the outfits and everything, and yeah, it can be seen that way. but KLK is, at its core, a revenge story. ryuuko is already "grown up", she already knows all men are pigs, and she got over the fact she had to [spoiler]strip completely naked to activate the true power of senketsu[/spoiler] pretty quickly.

i think that the senketsu do reflect ryuuko and satsuki's characters pretty well based on how they react to their appearance, but i would be wary to read into it more than that.

rtil I see where you're coming from and I agree for the most part, but if people have a gut reaction to something I think it's important to at least leave room for discussing why. Yeah, Kill la Kill is a parody but that alone shouldn't trump any further discussion. In fact, if a piece isn't trying to assault the viewer with some super serious prefabricated political agenda, I'm personally more likely to engage with and defend it. X = Y symbolist interpretations are usually dumb, but the person who made that image was probably just trying to help people who always fall for that stuff enjoy the show. It's not a bad call either, as a lot of Gainax's previous shows illustrated puberty by similar thematic means.

I think in a cross-cultural global market like the one we have here, you can pretty much throw authorial intent out the window, because too many assumptions have to be made otherwise. In the likelihood that it was Imaishi and the gang's intention to troll everyone who takes more than a passive interest in this show, I'm only too happy to oblige *smacks lips*. To me, this is more rewarding than discussing real world issues where everyone already has their mind made up, to whom it is only a matter of screaming louder than the other person. I'd rather talk about that stuff indirectly, using a medium like Kill la Kill! I completely agree that art can and should be appreciated on a sensual and emotional level. Any discussion I'd ever want to have is only means of returning to that uncomplicated bliss.

[spoiler]Also yes this show is totally going to be TTGL with estrogen and S&M in lieu of drilldicks. [spoiler]Also lasse and stusader both have KPP avatars how is this acceptable.[/spoiler][/spoiler]

[rtil]

i definitely understand where they're coming from, but the infographic itself speaks on a matter of authority, claiming to know the writers' intent and the purpose of the show. i'm not attempting to shut down discussion of it i'm just giving my own point of view. to come to the far fetched conclusion that kill la kill is about the societal pressures of a young female growing up is just like anything else - a matter of opinion. there are only a few things we know for sure, and that's definitely not one of them.

if it convinces more people to watch the show, that's great. but it's inherently misleading, because kill la kill isn't about that in even a figurative way.

[Bamyasi]

Completely agree with you there. Any authoritative interpretations, especially regarding symbolism, are indeed misleading, especially before a show is even halfway through. I guess that's the thing I was trying to get at that you then phrased much more clearly. I think this show being so controversial has just facilitated a breeding ground for people who claim to have answers. Even so, I've found the discussion in this thread very rewarding and thought-provoking and was worried you might ban everyone involved.

Sorry if I came off as reactionary. This show gets my panties in a twist. I hope you can still love someone with twisted panties.

[rtil]

Completely agree with you there. Any authoritative interpretations, especially regarding symbolism, are indeed misleading, especially before a show is even halfway through. I guess that's the thing I was trying to get at that you then phrased much more clearly. I think this show being so controversial has just facilitated a breeding ground for people who claim to have answers. Even so, I've found the discussion in this thread very rewarding and thought-provoking and was worried you might ban everyone involved.

Sorry if I came off as reactionary. This show gets my panties in a twist. I hope you can still love someone with twisted panties.

you know my love for you is eternal and unconditional, bam 

i will patiently wait for the day ryuuko fights this darling.

looks like next episode based on the pv

[Gilthwixt]

http://i.imgur.com/DpG1VIk.jpg Relevant to the argument that was going on earlier.

Like rtil and bam said, I think it's hard to say this is definitively what the series is about. We might have jumped the gun when we said it was incredibly objectifying and sexualized, and I think this does the opposite in coming to its defense. We're still only 4 episodes in so at this point I'd rather wait until the series is over before I draw any conclusions.

As an infographic it's also really hard to follow, and I think if it was going to make these kinds of points it should have quoted actual dialogue from the show, like Satsuki lines from episode 3.

[zwimmy]

HOLY SHIT IS IT THURSDAY YET

[Bamyasi]

So did anyone else watch the best episode yet by far? It would be, like, totally okay with me if Kobayashi Hiroshi directed the rest of the series.

[iinnkk]

So did anyone else watch the best episode yet by far? It would be, like, totally okay with me if Kobayashi Hiroshi directed the rest of the series.

It really was the best episode so far, I liked that it had a little more of a serious tone than the rest of episodes as of right now.
Also best girl