Who do TBA's American members actually want to be elected

[ExBerian]

"president hillary clinton"

MADAME President Hillary Clinton

SHITLORD!!!

[Necronomitr0n]

Honorable Chairman Hillary R. Clinton

[rtil]

supreme chancellor hillary clinton

[Bamyasi]

She's basically the president from Vanquish.



And the villain in that game is basically Vladimir Putin.

Who's ready to defend capitalism against Russian death robots on a solar powered orbital space colony? #Shillary2016 #FifthGenerationWarfare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q3VhW7hncY

[300BillionDegrees]

Please don't vote for Trump. There's a lot I could say, but Louis C. K. is much better with words than I am.

[spoiler] From LOUIS CK 3/5/16 - https://twitter.com/hunterwalk/status/706162158044745728
P.S.  Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler. And by that I mean that we are being Germany in the 30s. Do you think they saw the shit coming? Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all.
 
And I'm not advocating for Hillary or Bernie. I like them both but frankly I wish the next president was a conservative only because we had Obama for eight years and we need balance. And not because I particularly enjoy the conservative agenda. I just think the government should reflect the people. And we are about 40 percent conservative and 40 percent liberal. When I was growing up and when I was a younger man, liberals and conservatives were friends with differences. They weren't enemies. And it always made sense that everyone gets a president they like for a while and then hates the president for a while. But it only works if the conservatives put up a good candidate. A good smart conservative to face the liberal candidate so they can have a good argument and the country can decide which way to go this time.
 
Trump is not that. He's an insane bigot. He is dangerous.
 
He already said he would expand libel laws to sue anyone who "writes a negative hit piece" about him. He says "I would open up the libel laws so we can sue them and win lots of money. Not like now. These guys are totally protected." He said that. He has promised to decimate the first amendment. (If you think he's going to keep the second amendment intact you're delusional.) And he said that Paul Ryan, speaker of the house will "pay" for criticizing him. So I'm saying this now because if he gets in there we won't be able to criticize him anymore.

Please pick someone else. Like John Kasich. I mean that guy seems okay. I don't like any of them myself but if you're that kind of voter please go for a guy like that. It feels like between him and either democrat we'd have a decent choice. It feels like a healthier choice. We shouldn't have to vote for someone because they're not a shocking cunt billionaire liar.

We should choose based on what direction the country should go.
 
I get that all these people sound like bullshit soft criminal opportunists. The whole game feels rigged and it's not going anywhere but down anymore. I feel that way sometimes.
 
And that voting for Trump is a way of saying "fuck it. Fuck them all". I really get it. It's a version of national Suicide. Or it's like a big hit off of a crack pipe. Somehow we can't help it. Or we know that if we vote for Trump our phones will be a reliable source of dopamine for the next four years. I mean I can't wait to read about Trump every day. It's a rush. But you have to know this is not healthy.

If you are a true conservative. Don't vote for Trump. He is not one of you. He is one of him. Everything you have heard him say that you liked, if you look hard enough you will see that he one day said the exact opposite. He is playing you.

In fact, if you do vote for Trump, at least look at him very carefully first. You owe that to the rest of us. Know and understand who he is. Spend one hour on google and just read it all. I don't mean listen to me or listen to liberals who put him down. Listen to your own people. Listen to John Mccain. Go look at what he just said about Trump. "At a time when our world has never been more complex or more in danger... I want Republican voters to pay close attention to what our party's most respected and knowledgeable leaders and national security experts are saying about Mr. Trump, and to think long and hard about who they want to be our next Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world."

When Trump was told what he said, Trump said "Oh, he did? Well, that's not nice," he told CBS News' chief White House correspondent Major Garrett. "He has to be very careful."
When pressed on why, Trump tacked on: "He'll find out."

(I cut and pasted that from CBS news)

Do you really want a guy to be president who threatens John McCain? Because John McCain cautiously and intelligently asked for people to be thoughtful before voting for him? He didn't even insult Trump. He just asked you to take a good look. And Trump told him to look out.

Remember that Trump entered this race by saying that McCain is not a war hero. A guy who was shot down, body broken and kept in a POW camp for years. Trump said "I prefer the guys who don't get caught." Why did he say that? Not because he meant it or because it was important to say. He said it because he's a bully and every bully knows that when you enter a new school yard, you go to the toughest most respected guy on the yard and you punch him in the nose. If you are still standing after, you're the new boss. If Trump is president, he's not going to change. He's not going to do anything for you. He's going to do everything for himself and leave you in the dust.   
So please listen to fellow conservatives. But more importantly, listen to Trump. Listen to all of it. Everything he says. If you liked when he said that "torture works" then go look at where he took it back the next day. He's a fucking liar.
 
A vote for Trump is so clearly a gut-vote, and again I get it. But add a little brain to it and look the guy up. Because if you vote for him because of how you feel right now, the minute he's president, you're going to regret it. You're going to regret it even more when he gives the job to his son. Because American democracy is broken enough that a guy like that could really fuck things up. That's how Hitler got there. He was voted into power by a fatigued nation and when he got inside, he did all his Hitler things and no one could stop him.

Again, I'm not saying vote democrat or vote for anyone else. If Hilary ends up president it should be because she faced the best person you have and you and I both chose her or him or whoever. Trump is not your best. He's the worst of all of us. He's a symptom to a problem that is very real. But don't vote for your own cancer. You're better than that.

That's just my view. At least right now. I know I'm not qualified or particularly educated and I'm not right instead of you. I'm an idiot and I'm sure a bunch of you are very annoyed by this. Fucking celebrity with an opinion. I swear this isn't really a political opinion. You don't want to know my political opinions.   (And I know that I'm only bringing myself trouble with this shit.) Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself. And really I don't mean to insult anyone. Except Trump. I mean to insult him very much. And really I'm not saying he's evil or a monster. In fact I don't think Hitler was. The problem with saying that guys like that are monsters is that we don't see them coming when they turn out to be human, which they all are. Everyone is. Trump is a messed up guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never ever have enough of either and he'll never stop trying. He's sick. Which makes him really really interesting. And he pulls you towards him which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. He's not a monster. He's a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another TV show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings. But please stop voting for him. And please watch Horace and Pete.[/spoiler]

[Bamyasi]

P.S.  Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler

Figuratively stopped reading there.

We have checks and balances for a reason.

[SrsSam77]

That entire article is louis c.k. whining about trump for the same reasons Glenn Beck whines about trump

anyways
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/05/david_brooks_temporary_conservative_third_party_would_lose_white_house_but_preserve_integrity_of_gop.html

the establishment is literally now openly talking about making a 3rd party if trump wins the nomination just to hand the general election to hillary, because handing an election to the other party is worth it to "preserve the classic (neo)conservative ideals"

I really hope the trump train picks up infinite momentum now, jesus

[300BillionDegrees]

Maybe it's just because of my Japanese heritage, but his talk of extreme bigotry, openly calling for minorities to be beaten at his rallies, calls for databases, torture, approval of internment camps, murder of families of suspected terrorists, expansion of libel laws to eliminate all criticism, etc. make me a bit uneasy about that kind of bullying asshole being president. Maybe I'm not brown enough to be first against the wall, but the excessive anti-immigrant preaching of someone who refused repeatedly to disavow endorsements from the grand wizard of the KKK (an organization that his father was a member of) doesn't make me feel good about the future of this country or the safety of my mother and most of my friends.

Presidential power has been growing the past seven years due to a stagnant congress, and if you don't believe a president trump will executive order the living shit out of everything possible, you're fooling yourself.

[SrsSam77]

Maybe it's just because of my Japanese heritage, but his talk of extreme bigotry,

Wanting to prevent people who commit the felony of entering the country illegaly and halting the immigration of people from the middle east that the u.s. can not currently properly vet is not bigotry, I'd argue it is common sense but that is subjective.

openly calling for minorities to be beaten at his rallies

HAHAHAHAHA what? do you have a video besides the one of the blm protester punching people and calling the attendees racist?

calls for databases

true, but we already have them

torture

true, but we already do that

approval of internment camps

That's illegal and we're not currently at war so pulling a 1940's style japanese internment is completely illegal and unconstitutional

expansion of libel laws to eliminate all criticism

this may be the only point I'd halfway agree with you on, but you do have to admit 60% of the shit on the news is falsehoods and the news needs to be cleaned up and brought back from sensationalism

who refused repeatedly to disavow endorsements from the grand wizard of the KKK

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA we got a CNN watcher here, he disavowed david duke the moment he heard about it on twitter, he did have a fumble though in the cnn interview because he couldn't hear the question, ALSO david duke said he "wants people to vote for trump" because he likes trump, that isn't an endorsement, that's like saying you endorse hitler because you like pizza and hitler also did (oh and david duke got kicked out of the KKK in the 80-90s)

(an organization that his father was a member of)

If you can source an article I'll discuss it but his dad was a classic northeastern man and I don't see how someone 1000 miles away from the deep south could be a klan member

fear for mine, my mothers, and my friend's lives

You just think he's literally fucking hitler at this point lmfao

You seem to really believe the CNN narrative, I'd suggest you check out his policies yourself and maybe watch a rally or two. Everything you've said is blind rhetoric

[soup]

"Call Trump a racist or a bully or a xenophobe if you must, but do not, under any circumstances, insult the length of his fingers."

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/2/11148356/donald-trump-short-fingers-small-hands-vulgarian

my vote is for tiny finger trump

[300BillionDegrees]

I don't watch cnn, and there are plenty of sources out there but I'm not googling everything for you. He has reversed everything he's ever said at one time or another, but I don't believe the "faulty earpiece" bullshit, nor most anything else he's claimed. I've watched his rallies, he has no real policies other than using almost exclusively one and two syllable words.

The Japanese internment camps were created by executive order and were upheld by the Supreme Court. They are still officially legal, and we are 'at war with terrorism' which has been used to justify an awful lot already. I don't want to believe trump will be as bad as all that and that he is only trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator of a bunch of ignorant racists, but I've lived with discrimination (albeit mild compared to many) my whole life and the atmosphere created by this asshole only makes things worse.

I'm no tumblr SJW or anything like that, I throw up in mouth a little every time I think that I may have to vote for Hillary, but I live in a swing state and the last time people didn't vote or protest voted, we got bush the younger and all the baggage that came with that. I desperately hoping for Bernie myself, even if his policies won't likely happen at least he is sincere in his beliefs (as is Ron Paul, but he isn't in the running).

[Bamyasi]

I'd like to say I empathize with you 3BD and understand your concern.

Please don't forget though, the internment of Japanese and other Asian citizens was sanctioned by a president many today consider to be one of the greatest in history, one who remains a liberal hero, and also approved the Manhattan Project. The fact that he is still considered a national icon proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that liberals can be just as blind to injustice as conservatives, depending on who carries it out.

I have no doubt there will be people living in camps in fifty years, but I don't think it will be based on racial lines (move your family away from the coast unless you want your children to be eating FEMA lunchables for most of their lives).

[soup]

[rtil]

same thing happened when Obama started winning, but idk why conservatives would wanna move to countries that have socioeconomic policies they are trying to prevent in America

obviously no one actually moved away but if Trump wins i could see it happening

[basketweaver]

John Kasich is the most stable actual candidate, but he's probably not sensational enough to win the nomination.

I think it's absolutely hilarious how leftist journalists are doing character attacks on Trump, Cruz, and Rubio when no one seems concerned with the fact that Bernie was a hippie stoner jobless parasite for 20 years after his college graduation and that Hillary Clinton is a literal criminal. You really think that the Democratic party is full of innocent nice guys who aren't corrupt, who totally are on your side, and who have never lied or bullied anyone before?

People are scrutinizing the Republican candidates to a huge degree and drawing out sweeping, out-of-context criticisms, but they aren't applying that same skepticism and scrutiny to any of the Democratic candidates. The playing field is always going to be inherently unequal whenever you do this. It's almost like the left is more concerned with coercing your vote through manipulation rather than actually engaging in reasoned argumentation :^).

[rtil]

John Kasich is the most stable actual candidate, but he's probably not sensational enough to win the nomination.

I think it's absolutely hilarious how leftist journalists are doing character attacks on Trump, Cruz, and Rubio when no one seems concerned with the fact that Bernie was a hippie stoner jobless parasite for 20 years after his college graduation and that Hillary Clinton is a literal criminal. You really think that the Democratic party is full of innocent nice guys who aren't corrupt, who totally are on your side, and who have never lied or bullied anyone before?

People are scrutinizing the Republican candidates to a huge degree and drawing out sweeping, out-of-context criticisms, but they aren't applying that same skepticism and scrutiny to any of the Democratic candidates. The playing field is always going to be inherently unequal whenever you do this. It's almost like the left is more concerned with coercing your vote through manipulation rather than actually engaging in reasoned argumentation :^).

nah it works both ways

biased journalism has a narrative to push on either side

i think more americans every year are starting to realise both establishments are essentially the same but not enough to make a real difference

[Bamyasi]

Why do people threaten to move to Canada every time someone they don't like gets elected? It's so stupid. Getting citizenship there would be incredibly hard and it's not like people who could afford to move even have that much at stake with the presidency. We'd probably be better off without such spineless wimps around anyway.

Also anyone who thinks Donald Trump is a "tool" or "idiot" should really read this (thanks Sam).

[michaell]

John Kasich is the most stable actual candidate, but he's probably not sensational enough to win the nomination.

I think it's absolutely hilarious how leftist journalists are doing character attacks on Trump, Cruz, and Rubio when no one seems concerned with the fact that Bernie was a hippie stoner jobless parasite for 20 years after his college graduation and that Hillary Clinton is a literal criminal. You really think that the Democratic party is full of innocent nice guys who aren't corrupt, who totally are on your side, and who have never lied or bullied anyone before?

People are scrutinizing the Republican candidates to a huge degree and drawing out sweeping, out-of-context criticisms, but they aren't applying that same skepticism and scrutiny to any of the Democratic candidates. The playing field is always going to be inherently unequal whenever you do this. It's almost like the left is more concerned with coercing your vote through manipulation rather than actually engaging in reasoned argumentation :^).

nah it works both ways

biased journalism has a narrative to push on either side

i think more americans every year are starting to realise both establishments are essentially the same but not enough to make a real difference

i agree but i think its simply easier to disparage right wingers

the thing is that "leftist propaganda" as some may call it (not discrediting legitimate left leaning ideolgies of course) can simply find wider appeal not necessarily among proponents of such - you can always ascribe features like "religious fanatic" to somebody. now that can tarnish the persons reputation among everyone, other followers, moderate followers, nonreligious individuals.

homophobia, disrespect for womens right blah blah the list goes on

when you assemble all of this into a coherent image then the politican ends up looking like a complete moron and thats what people believe them to be

[rtil]

John Kasich is the most stable actual candidate, but he's probably not sensational enough to win the nomination.

I think it's absolutely hilarious how leftist journalists are doing character attacks on Trump, Cruz, and Rubio when no one seems concerned with the fact that Bernie was a hippie stoner jobless parasite for 20 years after his college graduation and that Hillary Clinton is a literal criminal. You really think that the Democratic party is full of innocent nice guys who aren't corrupt, who totally are on your side, and who have never lied or bullied anyone before?

People are scrutinizing the Republican candidates to a huge degree and drawing out sweeping, out-of-context criticisms, but they aren't applying that same skepticism and scrutiny to any of the Democratic candidates. The playing field is always going to be inherently unequal whenever you do this. It's almost like the left is more concerned with coercing your vote through manipulation rather than actually engaging in reasoned argumentation :^).

nah it works both ways

biased journalism has a narrative to push on either side

i think more americans every year are starting to realise both establishments are essentially the same but not enough to make a real difference

i agree but i think its simply easier to disparage right wingers

the thing is that "leftist propaganda" as some may call it (not discrediting legitimate left leaning ideolgies of course) can simply find wider appeal not necessarily among proponents of such - you can always ascribe features like "religious fanatic" to somebody. now that can tarnish the persons reputation among everyone, other followers, moderate followers, nonreligious individuals.

homophobia, disrespect for womens right blah blah the list goes on

when you assemble all of this into a coherent image then the politican ends up looking like a complete moron and thats what people believe them to be

despite that the republicans have controlled congress for the last 6 years so it hasn't really affected voters' actions all that much

[Bamyasi]

I agree with michaell and would chalk Republican control of Congress to mostly older people voting in midterms, people who aren't moved by rhetoric like "the right side of history" (opposite Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.)