debate

psi43 · March 25, 2009 09:45 PM

ansel · March 25, 2009 10:18 PM

the nachos forum cannot be closed when brawl funnies is over.

I really cannot believe what a colossal ass the-swain is. He's talking about how traditional animation is obsolete, and that animation is just tedious work. I think he's gotten into this mindset where he doesn't need to improve since he can get work, etc just from his flash cartoons, and he thinks having work makes him good. I just don't know where he gets all this pent-up rage from. He talks about how when you met at comic con, you talked and exchanged pleasantries and were great pals-- but he makes it out to look like you were the one who couldn't keep up his rage in real life. I have never felt as strongly as he does about anyone on newgrounds or on the internet at all, and it's a mystery to me how he's still smoldering

rtil · March 25, 2009 10:23 PM

Quote from: anselthe nachos forum cannot be closed when brawl funnies is over.

i won't close it as long as you guys keep using it

also lmao @ all of this psi, you're really good at fooling him. you'd think after a while he'd realize what is going on, but i guess he loves complaining about me too much to let it go. amazing how much he has to say considering i haven't said so much as a word to him in almost half a year

psi43 · March 25, 2009 10:27 PM

I even HINTED to him that I was fucking with him:

Psi43 pkz: I still do that from time to time but in a somewhat deeper way

he didn't get it tho lucky me

mishkamash · March 25, 2009 10:30 PM

how long has this been going on

unclephil · March 25, 2009 10:34 PM

i support this thread.

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CoolDrMoney · March 25, 2009 10:51 PM

LMAO what the fuck happened while I was gone?

shura · March 25, 2009 10:57 PM

QuoteAssociateKilla: his school degree will get him a great job doing the animation for other peoples' cartoons, which i think is hilarious

i don't get this.

DrRumack · March 25, 2009 11:01 PM

Quote from: Sashura
QuoteAssociateKilla: his school degree will get him a great job doing the animation for other peoples' cartoons, which i think is hilarious

i don't get this.

he thinks animation is a one man job and anybody who decides to work for someone else is a fucking moron aparrently

funzop · March 26, 2009 12:31 AM

oh my lawd what is this

lenko · March 26, 2009 12:43 AM

omg so cute!

ansel · March 26, 2009 01:26 AM

Quote from: Sashura
QuoteAssociateKilla: his school degree will get him a great job doing the animation for other peoples' cartoons, which i think is hilarious

i don't get this.

I don't know if the swain graduated (think he did) but his degree or lack of a degree has only got him a job doing art for other people's games. I think he considers himself above other flash animators because he wants to think he's "independent."

Cambo · March 26, 2009 01:43 AM

internet fights: boring people arguing with boring people egged on by bored people

BloodyCheery · March 26, 2009 03:30 AM

Bwahahaha. The comics and drawings are wonderful.

rtil · March 26, 2009 03:41 AM

Quote from: Legendary Cambo Froginternet fights: boring people arguing with boring people egged on by bored people

every party has a pooper that\\\'s why we invited you party pooper[/b]

seriously though stop trying to act like you\\\'re all cool and above us cuz we\\\'ll drag you right down back down to earth pal

Blordow · March 26, 2009 05:52 AM

hey guys i team up with people such as spongebobfan101, afrodaziacgam3r, sasukenagato9, armord00d, and other ng peepz. that means i am proffesional at its finest

f0d · March 26, 2009 08:19 AM

Quote from: Blordowhey guys i team up with people such as spongebobfan101, afrodaziacgam3r, sasukenagato9, armord00d, and other ng peepz. that means i am proffesional at its finest

lmfao yea i gotta admit its truly remarkable to me how someone could be so fucking stupid to think that anything NG related constitutes real world experience

envy seeps through everything he writes. the only logical reason for him to be so obsessed with predicting the career trajectories of other artists is that he's worried he himself always be too shitty for anything but the internet.

i especially love how he acts like freelance gives you so much freedom. i do freelance and hes full of shit, you get as much creative freedom as your employer gives you, which isnt always a lot. also funny how if he wants work, he'll have to continue to grovel for it online in the dwindling freelancing market where, truth be told, you'll have such sporadic work you'll be much more of a failure in five years than someone "selling their soul" at a major studio. yeah good luck outbidding the cheap indians on getafreelancer, swainy, i'd rather be animating captain flapjack....

also

AssociateKilla: animation is just data entry
AssociateKilla: the only difference between it and data entry is that it's visual

yeah if you have absolutely no creative or artistic vision in your work like swain, then animation is just data entry!

ZekeySpaceyLizard · March 26, 2009 10:33 AM

i think its a great and delicious irony of newgrounds in that all the 'popular' animators really hate animating. it sums up everything wrong with the place so well.

Mightydein · March 26, 2009 10:38 AM

Quote from: MrScriblamhe thinks animation is a one man job and anybody who decides to work for someone else is a fucking moron aparrently

while it is true that not everyone wants to create cartoons for someone else it is a waste of time to blatantly insult people who want to work with a studio to other people over aim.

You would get more done if you spent a lot less time worrying about people that want to work for an animation studio and more time just working for yourself.

billy · March 26, 2009 05:58 PM

QuotePsi43 pkz: Yeah you do the art but he has the ideas and thinks about where to put it and all, if your art doesn't match up with his idea
AssociateKilla: but these are programmers, they dont have any artistic ideas haha
Psi43 pkz: he would still use it instead of paying someone else
AssociateKilla: they dont have something in their head already of how it should look
Psi43 pkz: lmfao how do you know that
AssociateKilla: because i know a LOT of programmers
AssociateKilla: i could go through the list i've worked with
AssociateKilla: glaiel, afroninja, toonimated rodrigo, komix, TheEXP, jmtb02, armorgames dan, mr.fulp
AssociateKilla: all guys i've done shit with
AssociateKilla: thats just the start btw :-(

I think that's the most insulting part to me. Game design is an art, and maybe there's a reason all the games he's been involved in suck dicks. What he claims to be doing is practically the exact opposite of letting a programmer do his own art. There has to be a medium of communication and creativity on both the programmer and artist's parts.

If the programmer does the art you'll get a shitty looking game and if the artist has no guidelines you'll have a great looking game that plays like shit. If everyone works together you get a good game.

I didn't hate the-swain but now I do.