yeah so
hi
i decided to give this another try because i only have maybe a year and i half before college and i still need to get better at drawing
and from what i remember you guys are brutally honest and won't stretch my nuts just for the sake of stretching
i'm here for honest advice/criticism with the occasional compliment
so without further ado, here is some fairly old stuff that i kind of like
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lzrgduHWQu1qeqzsio1_1280.png&hash=21f685100e63485e59365c094cdb88088fc2ccec)
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(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lpc7pnF3TV1qeqzsio1_1280.png&hash=99e3f35eb318db1c5bf842189a626ee337574d4d)
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regards, an old gay
Quote from: shmeckelbutt on May 28, 2012 06:33 AM
i'm here for honest advice/criticism
your work basically looks like a knock off of people like nogfish, shirt turtle, nathaniel milburn and other old rwd/campnorth people, only you don't really know how to draw
Quote from: sev on May 28, 2012 08:38 AM
Quote from: shmeckelbutt on May 28, 2012 06:33 AM
i'm here for honest advice/criticism
your work basically looks like a knock off of people like nogfish, shirt turtle, nathaniel milburn and other old rwd/campnorth people, only you don't really know how to draw
you're really predictable
but thanks
i thought you asked for honesty?
it looks like your art is going in a lot of different directions, like you see a style you like so you try to copy it. that's fine but eventually you need to find your own path and probably practice some life drawing and basic draftsmanship. there's lots of tools online for stuff like that
i think there's a difference between honesty and throwing the same backwater shit you've been throwing for years because you have some sort of vendetta against me especially considering i haven't really been following any of those artists for over a year or so
but i can't really complain since i expected you to say this anyway so whatever
@rtil yeah ive been practicing more realistic things in my sketchbook and i want to take a life drawing class. ill probably post some of those but i just decided to post older stuff at first. if you have any of those tools onhand that would be greatly appreciated. thanks
http://www.lovecastle.org/draw/ (http://www.lovecastle.org/draw/)
http://www.pixelovely.com/gesture/figuredrawing.php (http://www.pixelovely.com/gesture/figuredrawing.php)
http://fineart.sk/ (http://fineart.sk/)
Quote from: shmeckelbutt on May 28, 2012 09:11 AM
i think there's a difference between honesty and throwing the same backwater shit you've been throwing for years because you have some sort of vendetta against me especially considering i haven't really been following any of those artists for over a year or so
hahahaha dude we've spoken like twice i'm just fucking with you
generally your stuff just looks really flat and oversimplified, essentially the same things you've been drawing for years, and no, i'm not just being a dick about this part, they do still look exactly like nick and tyler's stuff but at a lower level of understanding. if you stay inside a comfort zone and draw the same thing all the time, you will never get any better. go look at things you like, figure out what kind of stuff you want to do and what kind of artist you want to be, take things you like from each one and try them out yourself, using them to make your art better out of it. otherwise rtil beat me to it, but life drawing is basically the key. do it as much as possible and learn to like it, because if you want to get better you'll be doing it most of the rest of your life. if you struggle with it, look into or ask around for decent artbooks, which can be decent in getting your shit together.
that should be a good start huehuehue
i like your drawings, i can tell you had fun drawing them, and they look fun too. also theres definately some talent in there
BUT
-you need to look at more different artists. and draw from life too: dont be just influenced by other peoples drawings and cartoons! try drawing your friends faces for example or make charicatures of peoples' faces or bodies that you think look charicature worthy
-i can tell by your drawings that you just start drawing and then you end up somewhere. in other words theres no plan/idea. lucky accidents have their place, but you should try drawing with a purpose: make up stories with your characters and think up (perhaps unique) poses and expressions for them. sketching first helps.
i used to draw everyone the same way: knees bent 45 degrees, random expression on the face, arms look like J's, flat as shit. after a while you get fucking tired of that shit. make up stories! think of cool new poses and expressions that arent just random! youll be surprised at what you can think of
-drawing in a 'cool' style is fine, but try to draw goofy, funny, dirty, creepy, serious, sexy, beautiful, ugly and cute too. and if youre good try combinations of those things
im guilty of half of this stuff too so i feel a little bit like a hypocrite saying those things (and i was gonna tell you to try some color shit too, which youre probably better at than me ), but i think this is good advice. keep drawing drawing drawing until your hand hurts and then draw some more
Quote from: rtil on May 28, 2012 09:15 AM
http://www.lovecastle.org/draw/ (http://www.lovecastle.org/draw/)
http://www.pixelovely.com/gesture/figuredrawing.php (http://www.pixelovely.com/gesture/figuredrawing.php)
http://fineart.sk/ (http://fineart.sk/)
i've used that second before but thank you!!! i can't wait to use these
Quote from: sev on May 28, 2012 09:37 AM
Quote from: shmeckelbutt on May 28, 2012 09:11 AM
i think there's a difference between honesty and throwing the same backwater shit you've been throwing for years because you have some sort of vendetta against me especially considering i haven't really been following any of those artists for over a year or so
hahahaha dude we've spoken like twice i'm just fucking with you
generally your stuff just looks really flat and oversimplified, essentially the same things you've been drawing for years, and no, i'm not just being a dick about this part, they do still look exactly like nick and tyler's stuff but at a lower level of understanding. if you stay inside a comfort zone and draw the same thing all the time, you will never get any better. go look at things you like, figure out what kind of stuff you want to do and what kind of artist you want to be, take things you like from each one and try them out yourself, using them to make your art better out of it. otherwise rtil beat me to it, but life drawing is basically the key. do it as much as possible and learn to like it, because if you want to get better you'll be doing it most of the rest of your life. if you struggle with it, look into or ask around for decent artbooks, which can be decent in getting your shit together.
that should be a good start huehuehue
this is a lot more helpful, thank you u//u
Quote from: creamcorn on May 28, 2012 04:28 PM
i like your drawings, i can tell you had fun drawing them, and they look fun too. also theres definately some talent in there
BUT
-you need to look at more different artists. and draw from life too: dont be just influenced by other peoples drawings and cartoons! try drawing your friends faces for example or make charicatures of peoples' faces or bodies that you think look charicature worthy
-i can tell by your drawings that you just start drawing and then you end up somewhere. in other words theres no plan/idea. lucky accidents have their place, but you should try drawing with a purpose: make up stories with your characters and think up (perhaps unique) poses and expressions for them. sketching first helps.
i used to draw everyone the same way: knees bent 45 degrees, random expression on the face, arms look like J's, flat as shit. after a while you get fucking tired of that shit. make up stories! think of cool new poses and expressions that arent just random! youll be surprised at what you can think of
-drawing in a 'cool' style is fine, but try to draw goofy, funny, dirty, creepy, serious, sexy, beautiful, ugly and cute too. and if youre good try combinations of those things
im guilty of half of this stuff too so i feel a little bit like a hypocrite saying those things (and i was gonna tell you to try some color shit too, which youre probably better at than me ), but i think this is good advice. keep drawing drawing drawing until your hand hurts and then draw some more
everything about this is true
i guess it's kind of like drawing has become more of a crutch than an aspiration and i feel stuck/too comfortable. that "start drawing" part is so true it hurts. i've wanted to do lots of storytelling stuff but unfortunately i'm not very good with creating characters, universes etc. but yes this is all good good good
anyway!!
this is some stuff i did when i was messing with new colored pencils
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebackalleys.com%2Fdump%2Ffiles%2F2010%2F822D4d_sketch1.png&hash=1650224963568775194a51801dc2797ce955db03)
some sleep deprived sketches
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebackalleys.com%2Fdump%2Ffiles%2F2010%2F2289qA_sketch2.JPG&hash=0244745c40d9d2b8e693a02bfeb256e92a33acea)
a drawing of someone i never finished
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and some typography doodles
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sorry if these photos are either too big or the quality is too low i don't really have a scanner
it's good to expand but in your response to rtil you said you've been trying more "realistic" things, but i wanna highlight that and say that it's not really realism you're looking to do, it's more developing a structural understanding of whatever you like drawing. for example, say you want to draw human characters, then understanding human anatomy is important. the components of "styles" like eyes, noses, etc are just an abstraction of reality made up of symbols that to the human brain resemble pieces of an actual human body. unless you actually want to make realism, in which case go bananas. some surprisingly good words on this are here (http://whitetrashpalace.deviantart.com/art/UNDERSTANDING-YOUR-STYLE-1-169660607?q=boost%3Apopular%20in%3Aresources%2Ftutorials%20style&qo=17/) and here (http://whitetrashpalace.deviantart.com/art/UNDERSTANDING-YOUR-STYLE-2-169660702?q=boost%3Apopular%20in%3Aresources%2Ftutorials%20style&qo=19).
I like the machine and steak typography! But I def think you need to work on your anatomy, and probably various facial expressions. And I think your best bet is trying to get friends to pose for you (but I'm just saying that because I'm cheap and don't want to have to pay for classes)
not bad man, just keep drawing and eventually a style will evolve and it'll be as easy as taking shits, unless you're constipated, just don't try and force your art, let it flow BRRRRRGFNGBFgfgfgdmmf
if you post some (new) complete pieces, not doodles, it will be easier to give you advice re: composition, color etc. and go beyond the trademark "reconcile your style and intent, more anatomy studies and drawing from life" response
^
Quote from: tmk on May 29, 2012 03:20 PM
if you post some (new) complete pieces, not doodles, it will be easier to give you advice re: composition, color etc. and go beyond the trademark "reconcile your style and intent, more anatomy studies and drawing from life" response
as far as things that are finished i don't really have much to offer hahah
the last thing i "finished" was this piece i did in january
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_ly5ccwUiKU1qeqzsio1_r1_1280.png&hash=ac5bfeb501b27e6f6505075740473e4acb8cc73d)
here are some drawings i did of people at school except for that horny body that had a horrifying face so i tried to block it out with a waffle
(https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=aba65d74d6&view=att&th=137b158ac9de6361&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P_LVK-ZpvS-dptO9mKzNiCy&sadet=1338714583108&sads=eQwrZ3-yLou5wL8rin-0spHbDNw&sadssc=1)
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i haven't been drawing things from my imagination recently and i've just been drawing things i see. i'm doing this to try and subconsciously get rid of bad habits i have and i want to know if this is a good idea
y/n
imo you should use a healthy combination of drawing from observation and then applying it to your work
can't see your school drawings, dunno if it's just me
and yes understanding how to draw from life is essential whether you want to end up drawing hyper-realist chuck close portraits or stylized noodle arm machine pirates
i can't see them either
probably because you tried to hotlink email attachments
as always, there is a real feeling of fun in your drawings and i think that even though some of your work is deficient, its "heart" is in the right place, its obvious you want people to be entertained by them. so heres my two cents; you might not believe this as of now but i can guarantee you that out of even a few hours of life drawing, your cartoons will improve because your brain will automatically apply things to them. grab your sketchbook, go out and draw whatever you see, anything using only your observation as reference. then try to redraw this person/object/place using toons/symbols. this might seem trivial but during this process you will realize what parts of reality you are neglecting, and replacing with symbols inside your head.
in other words, if the drawing from life and the drawing from imagination are too similar, then youll know if something is wrong! good luck though
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ emaaaaaan a+
edit: FUCK new page
i, SUPER HONEST and supreme artist sevigen, will rate your critique on a scale from 1 to 10
may the deviantart gods have mercy on your soul
^^^ i give it a seven
seriously tho, youre being a jackass all over this thread and youre trying to legitimize your jackassery by going ^ after every post with actual good advice
settle down now
Quote from: shmeckelbutt on June 3, 2012 09:19 AM
Quote from: tmk on May 29, 2012 03:20 PM
if you post some (new) complete pieces, not doodles, it will be easier to give you advice re: composition, color etc. and go beyond the trademark "reconcile your style and intent, more anatomy studies and drawing from life" response
as far as things that are finished i don't really have much to offer hahah
the last thing i "finished" was this piece i did in january
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_ly5ccwUiKU1qeqzsio1_r1_1280.png&hash=ac5bfeb501b27e6f6505075740473e4acb8cc73d)
here are some drawings i did of people at school except for that horny body that had a horrifying face so i tried to block it out with a waffle
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebackalleys.com%2Fdump%2Ffiles%2F2010%2F409j0L_photo%2520%25283%2529.JPG&hash=a74b72aa5a3d2c0563210accc1b46f4d38bd483d)
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i haven't been drawing things from my imagination recently and i've just been drawing things i see. i'm doing this to try and subconsciously get rid of bad habits i have and i want to know if this is a good idea
y/n
fixed the broken images
finals have me by the balls so i'll try to draw more stuff when i have time
Quote from: creamcorn on June 4, 2012 08:31 PM
seriously tho, youre being a jackass all over this thread and youre trying to legitimize your jackassery by going ^ after every post with actual good advice
hey i was only a jackass in the first post!
edit: wait no the first two
hey those are not that bad fawx! more?
nice faces
your line quality is good but the facial structure is a little wonky.
i liked eman's point about the mental differences between life drawing and drawing from imagination, because that's really good advice and something to consider. a lot of what i've had to learn the hard way came from fucking up the way i was thinking about my drawings and eman put that into better wording than i ever could have. i forgot i already ^'d at tmk's life drawing advice, sue me
the first two posts i was just poking fun at fawx because all of our interactions have literally been "anigen gay", "draw more paste on noses", i don't think anything i said after that was really dickish or unhelpful. i even pmed him and gave him a link to a bunch of artbooks and my skype if he ever needed book recommendations or whatever, so you guys can stop whiteknighting now
>whiteknighting
so what if i really like underage boys on the internet, sue me
More art pls
Quote from: creamcorn on June 5, 2012 07:04 PM
>whiteknighting
so what if i really like underage boys on the internet, sue me
that is perfectly alright.
sev (erus snape)
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flarissakyzer.files.wordpress.com%2F2011%2F07%2Fseverus-snape.jpg&hash=13c2bf13f41b6dc9f1d30ad1bcdfb17ae14cc010)
Quote from: W.A.S.I.M. on June 5, 2012 05:24 PM
yoooo betino, what's going ON!
first of all, id like to say that in your latest drawing the shadings of the faces you drew are really well done and that face you crossed off from that "horny body" drawing wasnt that bad either, i could see a little bit of her head and face while it was covered up.
how's animation going for you my dude? you still do any of those
Quote from: creamcorn on June 4, 2012 08:31 PM
seriously tho, youre being a jackass all over this thread and youre trying to legitimize your jackassery by going ^ after every post with actual good advice
Lmfao ouch, thats gotta hurt because its the truth
what it is my nij! thanks!
nah i haven't been doing a lot of animation. just doodling and school mostly!! how are you homie?
my last day of school is tomorrow but i found time today to do some sketches. let me know what you think
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebackalleys.com%2Fdump%2Ffiles%2F2010%2F0231qM_figure1.png&hash=94734e159e6650a0100672e017103a69108d200e)
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^i was messing around and made a color pallet i liked
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oh lol i think i've drawn that model before.
i don't know how serious you are about art or anything (pretty serious i imagine because: college) but i would maybe look up if there are any life drawing classes around where you live. i'm lucky, so there's on every tuesday down the street from where i live and i've found that it's really different than drawing from photos (different in a good way). the atmosphere, the actual 3d model, i dunno
the boners are in 3D and 100% real
EDIT: Is this the same FOXX from Sheezyart?
i've never been to sheezyart
ok
"shmeckelbutt and 10 Guests are viewing this topic."
^this is really creepy
i did some linework on the cute girl and changed some things i didn't like. gonna color this tomorrow hopefully after finals
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebackalleys.com%2Fdump%2Ffiles%2F2010%2F4808iY_cutegirl.png&hash=d73b4abc0470353b7c942d75b5949531ff632d33)
did you do a sketch of this before you finalized it? if you were to draw the skeletal structure of this girl she's broken in like 10 places. and her face/head is kinda blobbish. try maybe basing some of your poses on a pose from a photo that you like or something. you could learn a lot from it
Quote from: rtil on June 12, 2012 06:29 AM
did you do a sketch of this before you finalized it? if you were to draw the skeletal structure of this girl she's broken in like 10 places. and her face/head is kinda blobbish. try maybe basing some of your poses on a pose from a photo that you like or something. you could learn a lot from it
hi yeah i did!! but i just gave up on this drawing i don't feel like it would progress very well if i worked on it, even though it's already like halfway done.
here's some more silly sketches. i've barely had time to do any drawing recently which is rather unfortunate.
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebackalleys.com%2Fdump%2Ffiles%2F2010%2F621Y6v_photo%2520%25285%2529.JPG&hash=c2ccc31b28a8b5442e8ba65f14887e6a57b8b6ac)
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebackalleys.com%2Fdump%2Ffiles%2F2010%2F4093jN_photo%2520%25286%2529.JPG&hash=642be2d48da2cd9e264e37aa4989b99e8744b7e2)
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebackalleys.com%2Fdump%2Ffiles%2F2010%2F096d4B_smokeguy.png&hash=b00e1a9fb1ceb005764070ab5b866c31b4a6e245)
wow the quality of those photos are complete shit you can barely see anything i apologize U///U
why not get a scanner? a decent one will run you ~$60
sux
Quote from: rtil on June 29, 2012 10:11 AM
why not get a scanner? a decent one will run you ~$60
i wish, but hard times man.
Quote from: nonzop on June 30, 2012 04:06 AM
sux
thx nigga :hen:
background for a game project
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newgrounds.com%2Fdump%2Fdraw%2Fcd194584795b2aace7bf4b47f2315f7b&hash=94cd15ceb77f082f1e47d5312a9374bab3da5a6e)
gayum jayum!!
Chris Brown - I Don't Like (Drake Diss) [Only Chris Brown's Verse] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsHqW2_8tHE#ws)
i think in your realistic drawings you're borrowing to many elements from your more cartoony style.
things like oval eyes. personally drawing realistic expressive eyes has helped me with cartoony eyes.
i think learning how to draw realistically helps with ANY aspect of cartoon drawings. you gotta understand reality before you distort it
Quote from: Timmy on July 2, 2012 11:52 PM
i think in your realistic drawings you're borrowing to many elements from your more cartoony style.
things like oval eyes. personally drawing realistic expressive eyes has helped me with cartoony eyes.
Quote from: nonzop on July 3, 2012 05:48 AM
i think learning how to draw realistically helps with ANY aspect of cartoon drawings. you gotta understand reality before you distort it
yeah i agree with both of these. i've been struggling to get rid of bad habits that i've had for so long, but life drawing certainly has been helping me quite a bit!! so i just want to say thank you to everyone who gave me honest critique, i didn't just shit it out and flush it down the toilet. it means a lot 2 me :o)
WARNING: HUGE IMAGES
romy from the xx
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebackalleys.com%2Fdump%2Ffiles%2F2010%2F808h5W_photo.JPG&hash=4503e8473cbe1d2af8816c07d1f2cb165adab401)
decorated war hero guy
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebackalleys.com%2Fdump%2Ffiles%2F2010%2F068Pg4_warhero_fixed.png&hash=9eec2b6d7f44076fe3b0af2703872007aff5dd34)
misc sketches
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m7c8imxaLU1qeqzsio1_1280.png&hash=7d400964b181c91e006592abdc26df87b7284fdc)
monster girl thing
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m6yjigyto41qeqzsio1_1280.png&hash=a4d3f9740ba8b2183eece248fc04bb8001347b39)
your weak point is definitely anatomy.. especially facial anatomy. keep practicing it though. the stronger you get at that, the stronger your cartoony work will get.