Fox News GOP Debate 1/10/08

[rtil]

Last night\\\'s debate was proof to me that Fox & Friends are interested in only putting forth their opinions, and that not only the network, but the other candidates, treat Ron Paul like a joke candidate.

Ron Paul was the subject of many jokes and attacks last night, calling him unelectable, a terrorist supporter and a racist, even by the questionnaire. Unfortunately for them he stepped it into high gear and did a solid job defending his platform. However, even more disturbing were comments by frontrunners, most notably these:

Mike Huckabee: "(Iran) should then be prepared to see the gates of hell"
Fred Thompson: "I think one more step and then they\\\'d be introduced to those virgins they\\\'ve been looking forward to seeing"
Fred Thompson again: "If they cross the line, they\\\'re going to be destroyed"
Rudy Giuliani: "We should impose serious sanctions on Iran"
John McCain: "I dont\\\' want to trade with them, they\\\'re only interested in trading Burkas"
Mitt Romney: "Maybe (Ron Paul) should stop reading Mosaddeq\\\'s press releases"

I couldn\\\'t believe the bigotry and blind rage I saw last night at the debates. Take note that most of these comment received uproarious applause and laughter from the crowd of 3,000. Do I really live in a country where people support this kind of arrogance? It\\\'s unbelievable.

oh and not to mention after Ron Paul won the text poll for debate winner (by a margin of double digits) they proceeded to bring on spin room get-the-answers-im-paid-to-get pollster Frank Luntz who then proceeded to ask his room of paid plants who won the debate, and they went on and on about Huckabee and Thompson for an hour like they were told to.

but to his unfortunate surprise, when he asked the panel if Ron Paul should have been included in the debate, most people raised their hands.

[Nadroj0711]

wow, that's crazy
hey do me a favor and announce these debates like a day in advance so I can watch them, okay?

[rtil]

they're on youtube if you want to watch them

[davidmoore0]

wow, that's crazy
hey do me a favor and announce these debates like a day in advance so I can watch them, okay?

Agreed.

[W.A.C.]

Speaking of debates, NBC recently invited Dennis Kucinich to the January 15th debates and then NBC later decided to exclude him. [LINK] The main reason Dennis has no chance of winning this election is because of stations like NBC. Fucking fuckers.

[rtil]

Recounts have been showing that Romney got a 7% boost and Paul got a 2% drop from Diebold voting machines. That 2% would put him ahead of Giuliani and make him 4th in New Hampshire.

Kucinich wants a recount, too. I don't blame him

Paul last night on the questions:
Economy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piUEmriwY3Q
Truthers and conservatism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10wwz3vlGf4
Iranian speedboats:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKvCfZWHaNw
Israel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI3rNc_Faz0
Electability:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mffpkCH-PJw
Immigration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJU5S2rJGtM

[mishkamash]

that is disturbing
not the vids but the people laughing to those lines and "puns"

[rtil]

Mike Huckabee on the "gates of hell"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyUXdkrwrd4

John McCain cracking a racist joke:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp9qKSnRFCw

Frank Luntz's focus group on FOX said that they thought Fred Thompson won the debate. That was after they were paid by FOX to say that. what they really said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3no7OCpmcM

Fred Thompson's virgin comment (at the end of the clip):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUyaQkP9cWA

[Hammi]

Theyre all making me sick. What a bunch of fucking morons. I think Ron is rather ahead of them when considering the consequences of like 3 active wars in a row. The US is already involved in a lot of undercover stuffs worldwide, and they spend enormous sums on surveillance and espionage. If they keep it up like that, a lot of conflicts will backfire on them. Sad really. No matter which candidate you vote for, theyre all gonna wage a war. Thats why i trust none of them. I dont think any of them are bright in their mind. Always playing a worldwide political game, resulting in thousands of thousands getting killed or injured for life.

I just hope the current conflicts wont spread to Pakistan, that has already been thrown into chaos and political crisis. The US is planning to send troops there. Man i hate the world, everythings goin to hell. No peace anywhere I just hope the American people will make up their mind and at least do a wise decision in the election campaign. May democracy live on forever.

[W.A.C.]

I want a very anti-war person in office. If any of the Republicans other than Ron Paul gets into office, we're fucked.

[Gerkinman]

Your country is one step closer to causing the end of the world. I swear to god, nowhere else in the world is there more idiocy and gullibility.

[rtil]

The only true anti-war candidates i know of are ron paul and dennis kucinich. they are both actively being censored by the media.

[Gerkinman]

War is your countries main export at the moment, its natural that the media which isnt as free as most people think would try to keep it alive.

[rtil]

if you're suggesting that war is keeping the country afloat you everything but correct

[Crabarms]

Wow what a bunch of morons.

[MRat]

If I was American I'd vote Ron Paul probably. He's the most logical of all the canditates, with the best foresight. The problem is, I doub't he'd be a very charismatic leader, and right now someone is really needed who can rally and convince the populous against idiotic acts that the previous puppet in office has perpetrated.


I tend to agree with Rtil about the war thing. It's plain to see the war is murdering the economy. I don't think that's really what Gerk was getting at, though.

[Gerkinman]

Oh i know its not keeping it afloat, infact the Australian dollar was worth 97 US cents just a few months ago, but that was because of the value of your dollar plummeting rather then ours rising. I just mean as far as the rest of the world goes, we see the US as 3 things, Hollywood, rap music and warmongering. And im not just talking about Australia here.

[MRat]

Oh i know its not keeping it afloat, infact the Australian dollar was worth 97 US cents just a few months ago, but that was because of the value of your dollar plummeting rather then ours rising. I just mean as far as the rest of the world goes, we see the US as 3 things, Hollywood, rap music and warmongering. And im not just talking about Australia here.

the sad thing is, he's not even joking. I've been to every country in europe, 4 in africa, all of north america and 1 country in south america, and 2 countries that are half europe and half asia, and as bad as it is, americans are a symbol of alot of crap.

i lived in the states for near half my life, and i love america as much as i love canada, and i know that it's not a whole lot different than anywhere else when you boil it down, but through media and such, people see an eagle with a machete killing innocents worldwide. its dumb.

in europe most americans who vacation put canadian flags on their stuff to not be ridiculed. at the outdoor market in Sittard in the netherlands, i saw a woman buy smoe cabbage for like a euro, and i went up and askled for them and they charged 5, and i started speaking in french cuz i thought maybe he misunderstood, and he said "Oh, you're not American? 1 euro." Note: most dutch people dont speak french, but this is a travelling market.


shit like thatr makes me sick.

[rtil]

if they're sick of tourists maybe i could understand that. i hate traveling to foreign countries because i don't know their indigenous language. your typical pot-bellied white guy with a safari hat, disposable camera, a map and kneesocks has turned the american tourist into a symbol of disgust and i don't want to be a part of it. the next country i go to i will take a few months learning at least enough to get around.

and the only reason ron paul is not 'charismatic' (an attribute i don't even think exists) is because he doesn't fluff up the american public with emotionally charged speeches about a whole lot of nothing. he's a straight talker, and he tells the truth, which scares a lot of americans who are comfortable in their white picket fence homes with their wife and kids and a beer. so they'd rather vote for the "normal guy" mike huckabee who cracks jokes, steals people's ideas, goes hunting and talks about delivering the world for christ. someone who is "in touch" with the american people and doesn't actually know anything about politics, foreign policy or economics.

[MRat]

if they're sick of tourists maybe i could understand that. i hate traveling to foreign countries because i don't know their indigenous language. your typical pot-bellied white guy with a safari hat, disposable camera, a map and kneesocks has turned the american tourist into a symbol of disgust and i don't want to be a part of it. the next country i go to i will take a few months learning at least enough to get around.

and the only reason ron paul is not 'charismatic' (an attribute i don't even think exists) is because he doesn't fluff up the american public with emotionally charged speeches about a whole lot of nothing. he's a straight talker, and he tells the truth, which scares a lot of americans who are comfortable in their white picket fence homes with their wife and kids and a beer. so they'd rather vote for the "normal guy" mike huckabee who cracks jokes, steals people's ideas, goes hunting and talks about delivering the world for christ. someone who is "in touch" with the american people and doesn't actually know anything about politics, foreign policy or economics.

they probably are sick of tourists too, but alot of it is the media everywhere is controlled to be just as biased and filled with lies as the media here, and one of those lies is that all americans are basically clones of george bush.



i don't see how you don't think charisma exists, but I do agree with your point a whole lot. people are afraid of the truth and also people like presidents who will stand up and hype every single thing out there into some massive frenzy.

but not all people who are like that are liars and cheats either. Abe Lincoln was charismatic and had energy on stage when presenting a speach, but he also told it like it was.



anyway, you're right, people don't find Paul appealing because he says things they don't want to realize are the sad truth.