Kill La Kill

[BluPhoenix]

nice spoiler tag

[Kött]

I simply don't get the point of spoiler tags for an ongoing discussion about an ongoing show. Naturally, we are going to talk about what happened in the latest episodes. I don't see how it is useful to hide two thirds of all replies behind spoiler tags when people who visit this topic follow the show anyway and usually don't even dare to open the thread if they are not up to date (at least that's how I do it). Then again, I don't want to offend anyone who doesn't do so either.

[BluPhoenix]

"hey you watched the latest episode

congrats on your self-control, now you can read these posts"

oh boy what we have to put up with

[rtil]

Holy shit, dat episode!
[spoiler]So Ryuko and Satsuka were sisters all along and her red strain of hair was actually a life fibre (making her a life fibre human hybrid form). Well, one could've guessed that bit of Symbolism, but for some reason no one did... I feel really stupid, just writing it off as a choice of character design.
I'm not exactly sure what the mother is as of yet, but she also somehow managed to fuse with the life fibres and even before she acquired Junketsu, Satsuki was no match for her. I guess that does make her either the final boss or something Spiral King-ish.
With Ryuko out of the game (she ripped out her fucking heart, but the preview mentioned that she would merely be unconscious), I wonder what's going to happen to Mako (whose only function until now was to be the best friend of the main protagonist so far). They might actually continue the show with a major time skip and make her one of the new major fighters/nudist beach generals, which could be really weird but also really awesome
I'm not quite sure what the mother's plans with Ryoko are, but it kinda goes into the direction of living test subject, knowing her past endeavours.

The next episode could really be anything.[/spoiler]

my predictions:
[spoiler]

• Mako's father will perform masterful surgery on her and make her good as new for the battle
  
• Ryuuko's dad is Ragyo's ex-husband
  
• As Satsuki was a red herring for Ragyo, Ragyo might also be for some kind of ultimate life fiber being, as Ragyo is basically a superhuman prophet/slave to the life fibers
  

also, Nui was called the "Grand Couturier" by Rei, a Couturier is a person in the fashion industry who designs clothes for private clients, but usually hires others to actually create them. This explains Nui's extensive knowledge about life fiber clothing, and I don't think she is very strong on her own, just uses her knowledge to "fight" her opponents (ability to make clones - "mon mignon pret-a-porter" = "my cuties ready-to-wear" her clones, only Ryuuko could see through it).[/spoiler]

[Kött]

[spoiler]

• Ryuuko's dad is Ragyo's ex-husband
  

I thought that was pretty clear as soon as Ryuko was confirmed to be the supposedly dead baby. I mean, she's obviously Ragyo's daughter and we were told from the start that Isshin is her father. This leads to the conclusion that he is indeed the same scientist who married Ragyo, although, he seemed to have aged an awful lot in those 17 years... My theory is that he saved the nearly dead second daughter and somehow raised her secretly or arranged it in a different manner. At some point, he changed his name (and his appearance) and fled his wife, which must have been after the point when he told Satuski about her "wedding dress" at the age of five. Dr. Matoi might as well just be a foster parent or even Ryuko's grandfather. Ryuko pretty much grew up by herself, barely knowing her father, so I guess both would make sense.

• As Satsuki was a red herring for Ragyo, Ragyo might also be for some kind of ultimate life fiber being, as Ragyo is basically a superhuman prophet/slave to the life fibers
  

I actually thought that halfway through the episode when it looked like Satsuki was going to finish her off. The whole scenario reeked of Spiral King. Ragyo definitely is partly human, considering that she spoke of Ryuko being the only one beside her who had managed to fuse with the life fibres. The great question is, what exactly her backstory is and what she needs a second half-fibre-human for. My first guess would be as a test subject or some kind of power plant.
As a half-human, Ragyo herself probably is a slave to the life-fibres, but I'm having a hard time imagining how they are going to conclude that much story in only six remaining episodes. The pace of the last episode was lightning fast, but at the moment it seems like the good guys got their hands full with Ragyo already and introducing and defeating an even greater villain behind her seems nearly impossible in the remaining time. As much as I enjoy the show at the moment, I really prefer a concluded story over a promised second season.

There's one more thing I didn't think about. If Ryuko actually is unconscious (as promised in the preview) or dead from the next episode onwards, not only Mako but also Senketsu lose their functions as protagonists. The most likely thing to happen would be a quick recovery of Ryuko in the next episode, but so far, Satsuki has mainly functioned as an antagonist and was mainly shown from a distant perspective, which also makes it seem likely that the rest of the show might fokus a bit more on her (which would also give it an interesting twist). An unlikely but interesting turn of events would be Mako, hardening the fuck up and taking Ryuko's place/i.e. by teaming up with senketsu or becoming a Nudist beach agent after a major timeskip (yes, I have already mentioned that idea). But that would probably ruin the great, goofy moments that her character has provided until now. In any case, I'm pretty sure that she will play an important role at some point.

Fuck... I guess I've mainly repeated myself.
Well, one more thing: The mohawk dude. He also has red hair. This observation probably seems a bit too obvious after the revelation of Ryoko's background and the story behind her red strain of hair, but he might as well turn out to be a descendant of a fibre being.
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[rtil]

[spoiler]
There's one more thing I didn't think about. If Ryuko actually is unconscious (as promised in the preview) or dead from the next episode onwards, not only Mako but also Senketsu lose their functions as protagonists. The most likely thing to happen would be a quick recovery of Ryuko in the next episode, but so far, Satsuki has mainly functioned as an antagonist and was mainly shown from a distant perspective, which also makes it seem likely that the rest of the show might fokus a bit more on her (which would also give it an interesting twist). An unlikely but interesting turn of events would be Mako, hardening the fuck up and taking Ryuko's place/i.e. by teaming up with senketsu or becoming a Nudist beach agent after a major timeskip (yes, I have already mentioned that idea). But that would probably ruin the great, goofy moments that her character has provided until now. In any case, I'm pretty sure that she will play an important role at some point.
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i've never really seen Satsuki as the antagonist, but rather a protagonist with different motives, and also a red herring for Ragyo, revealing herself as the true villain.

I also think Mako does not have the ability to take Ryuko's place in any fashion, as she is by all means a normal person , despite her ability to take hundreds of hits to the face and come out unscathed, although I think this was mostly for slapstick humor rather than anything canon.

i also hope there is no timeskip - for one it is too late for something like that to happen, it's quite likely the story is reaching its end. and secondly, i always though TTGL's second half post-timeskip was a much weaker story, and if that is anything to judge gainax/trigger writers off of then i wouldn't want them to try it again.

[Gilthwixt]

[spoiler]BASED NONON



Also, dat Gamagoori blush.

I'm kind of annoyed at Ryuko going all rage bitch, but she did go through a lot. Hopefully she gets over it quickly.[/spoiler]

[ZennyPLUS]

Shit, well it looks like I gotta catch up on my animu, I've only watch the first two episodes of this. And I'm currently on EP 20 of Attack on Titan. I think I turned away from this because this show didn't really feel like it was going to hold much ground on character developing part, but the gifs on tumblr and the constant ranting from friends has made me rethink watching it again.

[rtil]

KLK is one of those shows  where you think it can't get any crazier, then it does

[crackers]

i got really bored of it

[BluPhoenix]

i got really bored of it

[Kött]

Hey, that means he is asexuel AND has no taste

[Kött]

[spoiler]
Ok, as for the new episode, I really enjoyed it.
Didn't expect that Satsuki was the one who would become Ragyou's captive... In fact I thought Ryuuko was the one to be knocked out for the remaining episodes. Interesting development.
I must say that I kinda spoiled myself in regards to the huge increase of nudist beach recruits (the 4 devas). I watched this episode yesterday, but as of last Thursday, nearly every damn image board out there is filled with Nudist Beach Nonon (<3) and Gamagori. Well, could've seen this coming if I hadn't been convinced that Ryuuko was the one to be captured instead of Satsuki. But at least it looks like I was right in regards to Mako.^^
Also we were right to assume that Dr. Matoi was in fact the same person as Satsuki's father. He really did pull off a good job at changing his appearance.
So everyone's a nudist now and Nonon is suddenly 300% more badass. Also Gamagori's crush on Mako has been confirmed as canon.
I really like where this is going.

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[Stu4U]

my ship is canon

[Kött]

Ok, I should probably point this out before it is pointed out or explained in the show because I simply love to predict and analyze ongoing stories:

[spoiler]I have one plot hole (which is so obvious that it will probably be part of some major twist) as well as a theory regarding Senketsu.

The plot hole that I noticed is related to Ryuko's father's change into Dr. Matoi. We can see him transform into his alter ego shortly after he is supposedly killed and has saved his newborn, second daughter. However, in Satsuki's flashback, we see him in his old form, when he tells her about her "wedding dress". Didn't Satsuki mention that she was 5 years old that that point, though? However, at this point, her father's appearance had already changed. I know that the flashbacks so far have been somewhat inconsistent (the silhouette of the father's killer, etc.), but this one kinda threw me off. Did he transform back into his old self, and if so, why did he do that? If not, was it someone else, is Satsuki's memory just clouded or did he actually do it before he changed his appearance? In the latter case, Satsuki would be not one but at least 5 years older than Ryuko, which seems kinda weird.

The theory: Dr. Matoi is missing his right eye. Senketsu is missing his left eye and doesn't know what he is or where he came from. I'm not sure how this is related... it could be a mere choice of design (a parable to how god created mankind after his appearance etc.) but it could as well refer to some hidden truth about Ryuko's father, using a part of himself to create Senketsu or possibly even partly becoming Senketsu himself. So far, Senketsu is the only godrobe that was able to speak and only Ryuko is able to understand him.

Your thoughts?[/spoiler]

[rtil]

Ok, I should probably point this out before it is pointed out or explained in the show because I simply love to predict and analyze ongoing stories:

[spoiler]I have one plot hole (which is so obvious that it will probably be part of some major twist) as well as a theory regarding Senketsu.

The plot hole that I noticed is related to Ryuko's father's change into Dr. Matoi. We can see him transform into his alter ego shortly after he is supposedly killed and has saved his newborn, second daughter. However, in Satsuki's flashback, we see him in his old form, when he tells her about her "wedding dress". Didn't Satsuki mention that she was 5 years old that that point, though? However, at this point, her father's appearance had already changed. I know that the flashbacks so far have been somewhat inconsistent (the silhouette of the father's killer, etc.), but this one kinda threw me off. Did he transform back into his old self, and if so, why did he do that? If not, was it someone else, is Satsuki's memory just clouded or did he actually do it before he changed his appearance? In the latter case, Satsuki would be not one but at least 5 years older than Ryuko, which seems kinda weird.

The theory: Dr. Matoi is missing his right eye. Senketsu is missing his left eye and doesn't know what he is or where he came from. I'm not sure how this is related... it could be a mere choice of design (a parable to how god created mankind after his appearance etc.) but it could as well refer to some hidden truth about Ryuko's father, using a part of himself to create Senketsu or possibly even partly becoming Senketsu himself. So far, Senketsu is the only godrobe that was able to speak and only Ryuko is able to understand him.

Your thoughts?[/spoiler]

but if Senketsu only has one eye cuz of that, why does Junketsu have two?

[Gilthwixt]

Ok, I should probably point this out before it is pointed out or explained in the show because I simply love to predict and analyze ongoing stories:

[spoiler]I have one plot hole (which is so obvious that it will probably be part of some major twist) as well as a theory regarding Senketsu.

The plot hole that I noticed is related to Ryuko's father's change into Dr. Matoi. We can see him transform into his alter ego shortly after he is supposedly killed and has saved his newborn, second daughter. However, in Satsuki's flashback, we see him in his old form, when he tells her about her "wedding dress". Didn't Satsuki mention that she was 5 years old that that point, though? However, at this point, her father's appearance had already changed. I know that the flashbacks so far have been somewhat inconsistent (the silhouette of the father's killer, etc.), but this one kinda threw me off. Did he transform back into his old self, and if so, why did he do that? If not, was it someone else, is Satsuki's memory just clouded or did he actually do it before he changed his appearance? In the latter case, Satsuki would be not one but at least 5 years older than Ryuko, which seems kinda weird.

The theory: Dr. Matoi is missing his right eye. Senketsu is missing his left eye and doesn't know what he is or where he came from. I'm not sure how this is related... it could be a mere choice of design (a parable to how god created mankind after his appearance etc.) but it could as well refer to some hidden truth about Ryuko's father, using a part of himself to create Senketsu or possibly even partly becoming Senketsu himself. So far, Senketsu is the only godrobe that was able to speak and only Ryuko is able to understand him.

Your thoughts?[/spoiler]

This is what bothered me about Matoi's reveal. How does he go from looking so young with Satsuki to looking so old and different looking some 10 to 12 years later? My friend guessed it ahead of time and I kept denying it because it doesn't make sense, plastic surgery be damned. He also guessed that Senketsu was really Matoi somehow when the show first started, which I ALSO denied, but if it ends up being true I'll be pissed. We literally see him stash Senketsu in a pile of clothing, unless he somehow also cloned himself during the plastic surgery.

[Kött]

Ok, I should probably point this out before it is pointed out or explained in the show because I simply love to predict and analyze ongoing stories:

[spoiler]I have one plot hole (which is so obvious that it will probably be part of some major twist) as well as a theory regarding Senketsu.

The plot hole that I noticed is related to Ryuko's father's change into Dr. Matoi. We can see him transform into his alter ego shortly after he is supposedly killed and has saved his newborn, second daughter. However, in Satsuki's flashback, we see him in his old form, when he tells her about her "wedding dress". Didn't Satsuki mention that she was 5 years old that that point, though? However, at this point, her father's appearance had already changed. I know that the flashbacks so far have been somewhat inconsistent (the silhouette of the father's killer, etc.), but this one kinda threw me off. Did he transform back into his old self, and if so, why did he do that? If not, was it someone else, is Satsuki's memory just clouded or did he actually do it before he changed his appearance? In the latter case, Satsuki would be not one but at least 5 years older than Ryuko, which seems kinda weird.

The theory: Dr. Matoi is missing his right eye. Senketsu is missing his left eye and doesn't know what he is or where he came from. I'm not sure how this is related... it could be a mere choice of design (a parable to how god created mankind after his appearance etc.) but it could as well refer to some hidden truth about Ryuko's father, using a part of himself to create Senketsu or possibly even partly becoming Senketsu himself. So far, Senketsu is the only godrobe that was able to speak and only Ryuko is able to understand him.

Your thoughts?[/spoiler]

but if Senketsu only has one eye cuz of that, why does Junketsu have two?

[spoiler]It has never been stated that Junketsu was actually created by Dr. Matoi, or has it? All we know is that someone, who looked like his former self introduced Junketsu to Satsuki as her Wedding dress. Again, what makes Junketsu different to Senketsu is that we don't know whether or not it has its own personality and the ability to speak. Junketsu might be something entirely different (even though it seems unlikely). All we know is that it is referred to as a wedding dress, which is further reinforced by its white color. A popular theory suggests Senketsu (since it is black and the only second god robe so far) as its counterpart. At the moment, it seems to be obvious that Satsuki has also inherited parts of her mother's power (note the metal (?) toe nail in the epilogue of episode 19). This actually seems quite likely, but so far we don't actually know what this "wedding" might stand for.

At the moment, it seems to be obvious that Satsuki has also inherited parts of her mother's power (note the metal (?) toe nail in the epilogue of episode 19), so the wedding might simply refer to an alliance between the two to defeat their mother and nothing more. But I wouldn't be surprised it it was part of some major plot twist. It might also have something to do with the new ultimate godrobe, which Satsuki probably referred to when she mentioned the words "Shinra Kouketsu". Probably, creating a godrobe requires a human sacrifice which meets certain requirements and she knew about that fact all along. In fact, this would be another fact that would make me believe that Dr. Matoi became part of Senketsu. He finished the outfit and performed the necessary ritual before or after he had spoken to his daughter and died (depending on what that ritual actually is).

In any case, there are a lot of questions left to answer and even more unexplained details and background stories (Nonon's monkey, Tsumugu and his sitster,Ragyou and Nui etc.). So much, in fact, that it makes me feel a bit uneasy that there are only 5 episodes left. I hope Trigger will find a satisfying way to conclude this story.[/spoiler]

[rtil]

Ok, I should probably point this out before it is pointed out or explained in the show because I simply love to predict and analyze ongoing stories:

[spoiler]I have one plot hole (which is so obvious that it will probably be part of some major twist) as well as a theory regarding Senketsu.

The plot hole that I noticed is related to Ryuko's father's change into Dr. Matoi. We can see him transform into his alter ego shortly after he is supposedly killed and has saved his newborn, second daughter. However, in Satsuki's flashback, we see him in his old form, when he tells her about her "wedding dress". Didn't Satsuki mention that she was 5 years old that that point, though? However, at this point, her father's appearance had already changed. I know that the flashbacks so far have been somewhat inconsistent (the silhouette of the father's killer, etc.), but this one kinda threw me off. Did he transform back into his old self, and if so, why did he do that? If not, was it someone else, is Satsuki's memory just butted or did he actually do it before he changed his appearance? In the latter case, Satsuki would be not one but at least 5 years older than Ryuko, which seems kinda weird.

The theory: Dr. Matoi is missing his right eye. Senketsu is missing his left eye and doesn't know what he is or where he came from. I'm not sure how this is related... it could be a mere choice of design (a parable to how god created mankind after his appearance etc.) but it could as well refer to some hidden truth about Ryuko's father, using a part of himself to create Senketsu or possibly even partly becoming Senketsu himself. So far, Senketsu is the only godrobe that was able to speak and only Ryuko is able to understand him.

Your thoughts?[/spoiler]

but if Senketsu only has one eye cuz of that, why does Junketsu have two?

[spoiler]It has never been stated that Junketsu was actually created by Dr. Matoi, or has it? All we know is that someone, who looked like his former self introduced Junketsu to Satsuki as her Wedding dress. Again, what makes Junketsu different to Senketsu is that we don't know whether or not it has its own personality and the ability to speak. Junketsu might be something entirely different (even though it seems unlikely). All we know is that it is referred to as a wedding dress, which is further reinforced by its white color. A popular theory suggests Senketsu (since it is black and the only second god robe so far) as its counterpart. At the moment, it seems to be obvious that Satsuki has also inherited parts of her mother's power (note the metal (?) toe nail in the epilogue of episode 19). This actually seems quite likely, but so far we don't actually know what this "wedding" might stand for.

At the moment, it seems to be obvious that Satsuki has also inherited parts of her mother's power (note the metal (?) toe nail in the epilogue of episode 19), so the wedding might simply refer to an alliance between the two to defeat their mother and nothing more. But I wouldn't be surprised it it was part of some major plot twist. It might also have something to do with the new ultimate godrobe, which Satsuki probably referred to when she mentioned the words "Shinra Kouketsu". Probably, creating a godrobe requires a human sacrifice which meets certain requirements and she knew about that fact all along. In fact, this would be another fact that would make me believe that Dr. Matoi became part of Senketsu. He finished the outfit and performed the necessary ritual before or after he had spoken to his daughter and died (depending on what that ritual actually is).

In any case, there are a lot of questions left to answer and even more unexplained details and background stories (Nonon's monkey, Tsumugu and his sitster,Ragyou and Nui etc.). So much, in fact, that it makes me feel a bit uneasy that there are only 5 episodes left. I hope Trigger will find a satisfying way to conclude this story.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]i didn't say that dr matoi created junketsu. i'm saying junketsu has two "eyes" that look at lot like senketsu's eye.[/spoiler]
[spoilerimg]http://www.entravity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/kill-6-7-junketsu-crazy.jpg[/spoilerimg]
[spoiler]it also feeds on blood in the same way that senketsu does.[/spoiler]
[spoilerimg]http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/o2Bo9lxilWs/maxresdefault.jpg[/spoilerimg]

[Stu4U]

Ok, I should probably point this out before it is pointed out or explained in the show because I simply love to predict and analyze ongoing stories:

[spoiler]
The plot hole that I noticed is related to Ryuko's father's change into Dr. Matoi. We can see him transform into his alter ego shortly after he is supposedly killed and has saved his newborn, second daughter. However, in Satsuki's flashback, we see him in his old form, when he tells her about her "wedding dress". Didn't Satsuki mention that she was 5 years old that that point, though? However, at this point, her father's appearance had already changed. I know that the flashbacks so far have been somewhat inconsistent (the silhouette of the father's killer, etc.), but this one kinda threw me off. Did he transform back into his old self, and if so, why did he do that? If not, was it someone else, is Satsuki's memory just clouded or did he actually do it before he changed his appearance? In the latter case, Satsuki would be not one but at least 5 years older than Ryuko, which seems kinda weird.
[/spoiler]

[spoiler]from the latest episode, i can see now that these strange plotholes that everyone is talking about shouldn't only be focused on dr. matoi, but more on ryuko. i'm still praying that those brain washing memories that made her switch sides never actually happened (though that's probably going to be the real deal considering what happened last time with us being unsure if eyepatch bitch was really daddy's killer).[/spoiler]

I'm just going to lay down major points of information that we currently know and don't know b/c that part of the episode threw me completely out of whack:

[spoiler]
- we know that ryuko is satsuki's little sister and that she was rescued by dr. matoi AFTER she was discarded by ragyo thinking she had died.

- at some point dr. matoi fled and changed his appearance, but we don't know when EXACTLY he changed.

- ryuko doesn't remember her childhood very well, giving the choice of her either growing up with dr. matoi or with ragyo, but if ryuko really did grow up with ragyo, it would conflict with the first point.

- satsuki had a clear memory of dr. matoi telling her that junketsu was going to be HER wedding dress.

- eyepatch bitch is a test tube clone which i'm assuming would be ryuko's replacement after they thought she died.
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i'm sure there's alot more points that i may have missed. i just need some more explanation from someone who can pay better attention than me on this stuff because FUCKING FUCK DUDE HOLY FUCK.