little wormy: Traditional anim

[PocketIllust]

:3

wow... Compared to everyone Else's stuff, This is really bad :<

can anybody tell me how i can improve on my traditional animation? (besides practicing; That ones pretty much obvious)

[FrozenSheep]

Umm work on the quality of your art before you start animating again.
The movement is not very convincing. Also, the head never makes contact with the floor.
Try observing other peoples animation and dissect how they did certain things.

[sQueef]

dont listen to frozen sheep he doesnt know what hes talking about this was fantastic

you need to start focusing more on typing habits than any of this pretentious art bullshit

[FrozenSheep]

dont listen to frozen sheep he doesnt know what hes talking about this was fantastic

you need to start focusing more on typing habits than any of this pretentious art bullshit

No no no work on your shading

[sQueef]

you don;t need to be a great artist to be a great animator onizuka

[CoolDrMoney]

Squeefs right. the arts fine for animation

Id suggest just addin characteristics to your character youre animating.

For example, a worm is very bendy and flexible. So why not make him reflect that whenever hes about to move, make him really bend almost like an upside down U. If you wormis not bendy demonstrate what other characteristics he has through animation. Then onion skin, make sure youre very consistent in your animating (Both line and placement) and I think youll find your character really come to life

Least thats my thoughts on it. I might be complete shit though!

[FrozenSheep]

Squeefs right. the arts fine for animation

I don't know. I guess he has the potential to animate pretty well with what he could do artistically at the moment.
I just think he would benefit from better design and consistency.

Id suggest just addin characteristics to your character youre animating.

For example, a worm is very bendy and flexible. So why not make him reflect that whenever hes about to move, make him really bend almost like an upside down U. If you wormis not bendy demonstrate what other characteristics he has through animation.

What he said.

Then onion skin, make sure youre very consistent in your animating (Both line and placement) and I think youll find your character really come to life

Its Traditional. I guess he could just place the paper over and hope that the paper he is using is trasparent enough.
A light box would be helpful.

[sQueef]

what are you what

dude

you need a lighttable for traditional and a pegboard and some fucking paper with the gay lil three holes that aren't normal holes because thats how they get ya with a $5k paper puncher because studios dont care

and

a capture station which is a camera upside down and you can press spacebar to capture the image and move on to the next one

and god damn bottom peggers!!!!

[Sonni]

That's a pretty good start.

Maybe you might want to try to study (watch) videos of people or animal doings various actions and motions then try to animate it if you're aiming for realistic motions. If not, then just rely on a hell lot of imaginations. I originally study character movements from other animations but then I don't think that's a good idea. You end up making something that looks like a rip-off from that animation.

Since I don't have a light table or pegboard I used something else. I'll show ya my set up when I get back home.

[Thor]

As a test flight, this isn't bad (I've seen worse... from art majors at my school). What exactly is this worm doing? If it's flopping around, then you're right on the money, but if you're going for a "walk" like I think you are:

Easing, man, add some easing! add in 1-2 more frames towards the end position to show acceleration and deceleration and it'll look more lifelike.

I'm not sure what you mean by "traditional" animation. I read "traditional" as 1940s cartoons (out with the rubber hose, in with the joints and wild gags and the Principles). I wrote this a while back but it's terrible and I need to remake it:

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/animationprimer

This should cover the basics for now, but there's definitely better sources out there by people who know what they're talking about. Go pick up/borrow a copy of the Animator's Survival Kit or Disney Animation: The Illusion of Life if that piqued your interests at all.

As far as peg boards go, if you're not man enough to handle the acme, use a 3 hole puncher on plain white computer paper and use a 3 ring binder for stability (god knows how you're going to keep all those papers lined up with those thin pegs. Maybe cutting the ends off of pushpins and sticking that into a board would work better?). In any case, they're nice, but not essential. You could probably make an entire cartoon on sticky note pads or textbook edges (OR YOU COULD LINE THEM UP FRAME BY FRAME AFTER YOU SCAN THEM IN!)

If there's any one thing I might suggest about the "traditional" medium, it's that the tiny imperfections in movement add character, so don't worry about getting everything absolutely perfect (otherwise, just use a computer. Unless you're shooting for godly Glenn Keane quality stuff, don't sweat it).

[Sonni]

I basically just use stuffs around my house to set this up. Having a light table would probably be much better though.

In case you're wondering what I use to hold my paper, I used paperclips

[sQueef]

i dont know why but i honestly actually like to watch that lil worm flop around
its cute

[PocketIllust]

lol, i go the sleep for the night and i get this :P

anyway, thank you all for the support.   I really appretiate it

As for the Worm, he's SUPOSSED to be walking, but it looks like he's dancing.   This is only my 3rd triditional animation.

and as for Thor's post, i always thought triditional animation was anything that is hand-drawn.

also, SQueef is partially right, but at the same time wrong.   My animations would be better if i knew how to draw a figure or two; It would help me in exadurating it.   At the same time, Animation is creativity.

haha!  I'm rambling on now.   Well anyway, thanks again. =^)

EDIT: Where can i fine a light box and those  wierd looking 3 holed paper that SQueef was talking about?   Are they avalible at an arts and crafts store or do I have to but these products online?

[sQueef]

you are probably better off with a get-up like sonnis

[PocketIllust]

your right.   It probably costs less

although i don't have either a easel or a light similar to the one in the picture...

[rtil]

you don;t need to be a great artist to be a great animator onizuka

hahaha

[Thor]

Sonni that's a pretty sweet setup there.

One of the other guys on ABS (corigami) set up a light table in a CARDBOARD BOX; I maintain it's a fire hazard

EDIT: Where can i fine a light box and those  wierd looking 3 holed paper that SQueef was talking about?   Are they avalible at an arts and crafts store or do I have to but these products online?

I've yet to come across any of this stuff in stores, but I'm an east coaster far removed from the industry. Maybe you'll find something in NYC for this, but certainly not Massachusetts.

http://cartooncolour.com/


http://www.cartooncolour.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=56 <-- acme peg bars
http://www.cartooncolour.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=4_21 <-- acme punched paper
http://www.cartooncolour.com/catalog/produ...products_id=282 <-- how I roll (literally)

I order from here (so does my school's animation department and Pat Smith, apparently). My only complaint is that I can't flip the paper :[

[PocketIllust]

hey thanks a lot, thor :3

Do they ship to New Jersey?

[Thor]

it cost me $150 in shipping for 2 day delivery to MA ($300 order), but yes, they do.

Just don't wait until the last minute to order supplies like me.

[PocketIllust]

it cost me $150 in shipping for 2 day delivery to MA ($300 order), but yes, they do.

Just don't wait until the last minute to order supplies like me.

dang that's a lot of money!  

maybe I'll try to find one off of amazon.com or some place similar...   maybe