Does Ron Paul have a chance?

Gavin · January 4, 2008 07:06 PM

I have been reading a lot about Ron Paul and I really like the guy but does he even have a shot at winning?

He seems to be not well known to most republican voters I've talked to and some people have never heard of him

EVEN IF people knew of him I think that people wouldn't vote for a republican because of what Bush has done; which is retarded but it is still valid most voters are fucking stupid

so do you think ron paul has a chance of becoming president? im voting for him come voting day, but I personally dont think he has a shot

Nadroj0711 · January 4, 2008 07:11 PM

i sure hope so
i feel the same as you

rtil · January 4, 2008 07:18 PM

i do not vote based on if i think someone can win. i think that is what is wrong with our nation and the reason we elect morons into office. but i'll answer the question anyway

yes, i do think he has a chance. the grassroots support is equivalent to that of ross perot in 1988 who won almost 15% of the independent vote in the general election. but now we have the tool of the internet, and a faster speed of communication and organization. the turnout in iowa proved that the campaign needs to become more organized. if this happens quickly and people mobilize faster, he does have a chance.

what needs to happen is that the ron paul supporters, whom the majority of them have never voted or caucused, need to start doing that. the reason why people like thompson, mccain and huckabee had strong performances is that their supporters are old and have done this many, many times. to most of us this is a brand new thing. most young people do not even know what a caucus, much less a primary is.

the problem that lies here is people like you are asking these very questions instead of picking the candidate now and doing the work that is necessary. if every ron paul supporter told at least 3 people about him and educated them on the simple steps to supporting their candidate, this wouldn't be an issue

W.A.C. · January 4, 2008 07:25 PM

rtil, do you think Dennis Kucinich has a chance? >_> I'm might donate as much as $20 to Dennis's campaign.

zomfgbie · January 4, 2008 07:25 PM

i dont really know us politics so well. it ron paul the one guy who has a chance of fixing the place?

W.A.C. · January 4, 2008 07:32 PM

Quote from: FreekCit ron paul the one guy who has a chance of fixing the place?

It really depends on your political opinion. Some people think Hilary has a chance of fixing America and some think she would be an awful president. The same applies to quite a bit of politicians.

Gavin · January 4, 2008 07:56 PM

Quote from: rtili do not vote based on if i think someone can win. i think that is what is wrong with our nation and the reason we elect morons into office. but i\\\'ll answer the question anyway

the problem that lies here is people like you are asking these very questions instead of picking the candidate now and doing the work that is necessary. if every ron paul supporter told at least 3 people about him and educated them on the simple steps to supporting their candidate, this wouldn\\\'t be an issue

dont be a prick rtil

I said in my post how I was voting for him and I was telling people about him but the reactions I had been getting from people is what worried me leading me to make this thread

and if you are goonna have mr heat miser you have to have mr cold miser too its the rules!!!!!!!!

W.A.C. · January 4, 2008 08:12 PM

In a perfect world, Dennis Kucinich would win the Democratic primaries and Ron Paul would win the Republican primaries.

trent bortknob · January 4, 2008 08:13 PM

Quote from: FreekCi dont really know us politics so well. it ron paul the one guy who has a chance of fixing the place?

i dont really know us politics so well. it ron paul the one guy who has a chance of fixing the place?

Nadroj0711 · January 4, 2008 08:15 PM

yeah, I wasn\\\'t saying i was going to vote for whom I thought was going to win
also, I like Kucinich too, WAC
and Gravel

Quote from: W.A.C.In a perfect world, Dennis Kucinich would win the Democratic primaries and Ron Paul would win the Republican primaries.

psi43 · January 4, 2008 08:32 PM

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Philip K Dick · January 4, 2008 09:58 PM

Quote from: ΨtilPutin will be America's new president.

Heh. Good one dude!

psi43 · January 4, 2008 10:35 PM

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Heh. Good one dude!

rtil · January 5, 2008 12:36 AM

Quote from: W.A.C.rtil, do you think Dennis Kucinich has a chance? >_> I'm might donate as much as $20 to Dennis's campaign.

no. the way the democratic primaries work and his lack of support and media attention, his odds are one and a million.

Quote from: Gavindont be a prick rtil

I said in my post how I was voting for him and I was telling people about him but the reactions I had been getting from people is what worried me leading me to make this thread

and if you are goonna have mr heat miser you have to have mr cold miser too its the rules!!!!!!!!

sorry i was looking at the heat miser when writing the post i guess i do have to have a snow miser

anyway people need to learn how to stop following the crowd and do their research. if they're worried about his chances of winning, they should try to change it instead of going with what the media networks want to see as the nominees. i mean the media had clinton pinned for the democrats since last january and she got 3rd in iowa

Quote from: W.A.C.In a perfect world, Dennis Kucinich would win the Democratic primaries and Ron Paul would win the Republican primaries.

kucinich is probably my favorite democrat as well. i'm surprised that he did not fare a little better in iowa. he is certainly more interesting than bill richardson and chris dodd

Nadroj0711 · January 5, 2008 04:58 AM

yeah, but hey
does anyone like gravel???

W.A.C. · January 5, 2008 06:59 AM

Bad news for Dennis supporters in Texas. Taxes doesn't want to include him on the ballot because Dennis doesn't want to confirm that he would no matter what vote for a Democrat in the presidential election. Unlike most Democrats running for president, Dennis isn't as loyal to his party and I consider that a good thing. I found this information out because Dennis Kucinich was on Fox News tonight. (I normally never watch Fox News but when I found out he was going to be on, I decided to watch him on that shitty station.) That would be pretty bizarre if he's trying getting support from Republicans considering how he's a real hardcore liberal. Too bad Fox News actually cut him off while he was talking. Those assholes kept trying to get him to attack Hilary.

Quote from: rtilno. the way the democratic primaries work and his lack of support and media attention, his odds are one and a million.

My dad claims that voting for Dennis is a wasted vote and that I should forget about Dennis because Dennis claims he saw a flying saucer. Very bad move on Dennis's part. He should have kept that information away from the public.

Quote from: rtilkucinich is probably my favorite democrat as well. i'm surprised that he did not fare a little better in iowa. he is certainly more interesting than bill richardson and chris dodd

I think the main reason why Kucinich did terrible in Iowa is because of the bizarre voting system there and because he didn't really campaign there.

Quote from: Nadroj0711yeah, but hey
does anyone like gravel???

I have no opinion of Gravel because I haven't done any research on him yet. That and he was excluded from the only Democratic debate that I've watched so far. To be perfectly honest, I didn't pay much attention to the candidates until last month.

rtil · January 5, 2008 07:18 AM

iowa's caucus system is so rigid that it discourages many people to vote. that is why there is such a small turnout.

and your vote is never wasted. vote on who you believe in, not who you think can win.

W.A.C. · January 5, 2008 07:32 AM

Quote from: rtiliowa's caucus system is so rigid that it discourages many people to vote. that is why there is such a small turnout.

I think the reason why Hilary got 3rd place instead of 2nd place is because of their horrible voting system.

Quote from: rtiland your vote is never wasted. vote on who you believe in, not who you think can win.

On the primaries, I agree. When it comes to the general election, I'll vote for either the Democrat or the Republican that won the primaries for their groups. The one exception is if a person from a different party looks like he (or she) has a good chance of winning. I can't stand the idea of another crooked Republican being our president for the next 4 year.

rtil · January 5, 2008 08:05 AM

Quote from: W.A.C.
Quote from: rtiliowa's caucus system is so rigid that it discourages many people to vote. that is why there is such a small turnout.
I think the reason why Hilary got 3rd place instead of 2nd place is because of their horrible voting system.

i think it's because of her recent negative media attention. no one was throwing punches at edwards because no one thought he was a threat. he only edged her out by .5%, though.

Quote from: W.A.C.
Quote from: rtiland your vote is never wasted. vote on who you believe in, not who you think can win.
On the primaries, I agree. When it comes to the general election, I'll vote for either the Democrat or the Republican that won the primaries for their groups. The one exception is if a person from a different party looks like he (or she) has a good chance of winning. I can't stand the idea of another crooked Republican being our president for the next 4 year.

what makes you think democrats aren't just as crooked?

W.A.C. · January 5, 2008 08:22 AM

Quote from: rtilwhat makes you think democrats aren't just as crooked?

Republican candidates tend to side more towards big business and often seem less carrying of people who are poor. That and Republicans often side more towards religious beliefs over logical ones. (Feel free to completely disagree with me on that.) There's also the fact that Republicans often seem much more supportive of war in general than Democrats. That and IMO, Republican candidates often seem more selfish and less caring of the Americans people than Democrats do. This is just a generalization. A lot of this obviously doesn't relate to Ron Paul.