tramples on the human rights of every citizen of the United States
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welcome to the obamanation
people say i was the abomination of obama's nation
fuck
i'm shipping up to gitmo
watch him not veto the keystone XL measure either
If that anti-piracy bill passes AND he signs it, holy shit I will be furious. Obama is a shitty ass president and I'm proud of the fact I did not vote for him in 2008. This is bad but goddamn, the future of the internet will go to hell if that one bill becomes law.
it's almost as if he doesn't want to get re-elected, he proves himself more a coward every time he threatens a veto and then backs down. how can he possibly be scared of that scumbag boehner? congress approval rating is its lowest of all time under that idiot
The deception with tact, just what are you trying to say?
You've got a blank face, which irritates
Communicate, pull out your party piece
You see dimensions in two
State your case with black or white
But when one little cross leads to shots, grit your teeth
You run for cover so discreet, why don't they:
Do what they say, say what you mean
One thing leads to another
You told me something wrong, I know I listen too long
But then one thing leads to another.
The impression that you sell
Passes in and out like a scent
But the long face that you see comes from living close to your fears
If this is up then I'm up but you're running out of sight
You've seen your name on the walls
And when one little bump leads to shock miss a beat
You run for cover and there's heat, why don't they:
Do what they say, say what they mean
One thing leads to another
You told me something wrong, I know I listen too long
But then one thing leads to another
One thing leads to another
Then it's easy to believe
Somebody's been lying to me
But when the wrong word goes in the right ear
I know you've been lying to me
It's getting rough, off the cuff I've got to say enough's enough
Bigger the harder he falls
But when the wrong antidote is like a bulge on the throat
You run for cover in the heat why don't they
Do what they say, say what they mean
One thing leads to another
You tell me something wrong, I know I listen too long
But then one thing leads to another
One thing leads to another
FUkc what???? i dont even???! WHAT FUCK i mean FUCK
this is so incredibly fucked up
i would fear ANY goverment with this kind of power a lot more than i could ever fear a terrorist group.
the military and the police are too powerful and its becoming more difficult to fight them because these congress assholes have transformed freedom of speech and free use of the internet into a "privilege". whos gonna defend us from them?
I went to great lengths to get out of my country thinking politics in the US would be at least less fucked but god damn these people are mentally ill, powerhungry cowards
Im not tremendously afraid of this YET only because obama is in charge, and even though i disagree with him very strongly i would like to believe people will not become victims of the justice system.... but the POWER must be feared, because we will not always have someone (arguably good) who, like obama,controls this power. this power can very easilly fall in the wrong hands, and it will.
if these bills still stand until the next elections you better pick very carefully
goddamnit save us ron paul youre the only person in american politics who doesnt seem insane as shit
s
the problem is that obama is signing the first indefinite detention bill into law since mccarthyism. this is the government trying to control its people instead of being by and for the people. if he was a true democrat he would veto it without a second thought. so not only is he a coward, but he's also a liar. he's been a huge disappointment and i wouldn't be surprised now if he loses his re-election bid.
I honestly can't believe he turned out to be this horrible of a president. I could never understand why so many people had such high hope in him, but holy fucking shit is he an awful president. Like honestly, with the exception of gay rights, is he any better on civil liberties than Bush?
at least we're not learning about this shit second hand from a michael moore movie
dude i think that the internet bill is a huge breach of privacy, but i do think that maybe if it passes people will stop using the internet for social reasons and for entertainment. i would like that a lot
Quote from: trent bortknob on December 16, 2011 06:29 AMdude i think that the internet bill is a huge breach of privacy, but i do think that maybe if it passes people will stop using the internet for social reasons and for entertainment. i would like that a lot
...
TV sucks ass, I rarely ever feel like watching movies, and music is way over priced plus I probably discovered most of the artists I listen to through the internet. Not to mention I used my computer as my main source of entertainment and talk to people online all the time. The internet has evolved in great way and I'd hate for that to go to hell.
nah cuz then you'd actually have to use your brain and hands to achieve those things instead of having them fed to you. plus, you wouldn't have a constant stream of information.
there is nothing good about the bill, period
it's stifling progress and an open, free internet. you can't force people to practice your warped ideals. trying to make anything positive out of this is stupid. the social aspect of the internet has helped the world rise up against corrupt government in ways unimaginable a decade ago.. taking that away from people is exactly what big government/corporations want.
Quote from: redmongoose on December 16, 2011 05:47 AM
at least we're not learning about this shit second hand from a michael moore movie
my teacher's making us watch bowling for columbine in class so i find this funny
i really don't know anything about the states' problems so forgive me if i come off as being massively ignorant, but i do know the whole idea of the internet bill scares me. i really don't want to see other countries follow suit and create similar laws just because the us passed a bill. the internet is so huge in everything i've seen happen on it that the concept of censoring something as big as that is terrifying to me. i just feel like if the internet isn't off limits for censorship, nothing really is.
wait are we talking about SOPA NDAA or both
we were talking about ndaa, but then we started talking about sopa
Quote from: trent bortknob on December 16, 2011 06:29 AM
dude i think that the internet bill is a huge breach of privacy, but i do think that maybe if it passes people will stop using the internet for social reasons and for entertainment. i would like that a lot
how is the concept of people not using the internet for socialization and entertainment a good thing? i've pretty much grown up my entire life doing this
fuck sopa there are no redeeming qualities of sopa
they should at least take down facebook as it is destroying society by causing unprecendented numbers of individuals to value online interactions more than real ones
Quote from: Gladius on December 16, 2011 11:07 PM
they should at least take down facebook as it is destroying society by causing unprecendented numbers of individuals to value online interactions more than real ones
yeah but like, whether this is a really bad thing or whether it doesn't matter is sort of up to opinion. i live in a shitty boring town where everyone does cocaine and pretty much nobody salvageable lives within walking distance (pretty much my only friend here who hasn't moved away lives more toward the city) and i don't have my driver's license yet. for someone like me, some of the interactions with people i've met online are quintessential for basically not being a gigantic lonely faggot
that's not to say that you don't need real life socialization -- i've found that not being around people for too long can have bad side effects of its own, but in the age we live in today, i don't see anything wrong with the internet being used as a tool to stay connected with people and interact in such ways
Quote from: sev on December 16, 2011 10:56 PM
fuck sopa there are no redeeming qualities of sopa
chicken sopa is pretty good idk
i'm gonna headbutt you son
SOPA vote has been delayed until next year thanks to internet petitions & activism
and i'm not joking, the main sponsor of the bill said that he acknowledged the concerns of the opposing side and there was only a hearing
but that also means this isn't over yet and the bill could still pass in january
i don't think it will though
Quote from: sev on December 16, 2011 11:11 PM
in the age we live in today, i don't see anything wrong with the internet being used as a tool to stay connected with people and interact in such ways
that's because you're so young that you don't remember how it used to be. back in my day....
btw my ideals aren't warped just because they aren't your ideals or the ideals of most people.
though i don't really think sopa should be passed, i was just making a side comment.
Quote from: Gladius on December 16, 2011 11:07 PM
they should at least take down facebook as it is destroying society by causing unprecendented numbers of individuals to value online interactions more than real ones
by that logic many other online games and communities should also be purged, you're also making huge generalizations that can't possibly apply to everyone
at the end of the day what people do in their private lives is none of your concern as long as they aren't harming anyone else
i agree, in a legal sense.
Quote from: trent bortknob on December 16, 2011 11:15 PM
Quote from: sev on December 16, 2011 11:11 PM
in the age we live in today, i don't see anything wrong with the internet being used as a tool to stay connected with people and interact in such ways
that's because you're so young that you don't remember how it used to be. back in my day....
btw my ideals aren't warped just because they aren't your ideals or the ideals of most people.
though i don't really think sopa should be passed, i was just making a side comment.
i never said they were warped, i'm just disagreeing with you and i don't follow your logic. i did directly state that sopa was bullshit though, if that's what you mean.
rtil said my ideals were warped get with the program anigen
Quote from: trent bortknob on December 16, 2011 11:15 PM
btw my ideals aren't warped just because they aren't your ideals or the ideals of most people.
though i don't really think sopa should be passed, i was just making a side comment.
i like how always assume people are trying to peg you for not being mainstream enough just so you can remind everyone that you're trying very hard not to be.
but no, your ideals are warped because you would trade destruction of freedom, progress and technology for them. as much as you might dislike websites like facebook and twitter and what people use them for, in the bigger picture they're very important pieces of technology that has advanced people's right to free speech and organization more than anyone could have imagined before the advent of the internet. in fact it is thanks to social networking that many draconian pieces of legislation have been shot down due to rapid mass online protests to congress that spread via sharing. the future of our freedom lies solely in our ability to transfer information freely through the internet.
ONETHINGLEADSTOANOTHER
Quote from: rtil on December 16, 2011 11:14 PM
SOPA vote has been delayed until next year thanks to internet petitions & activism
FFFFFFFFFUCK yeah
we need the internet now more than ever so we can keep calling bullshit on NDAA (even if no one listens :( )
this song's gonna be in my head all week
j/k another SOPA hearing on the 21st http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111216/11102617108/sopa-markup-runs-out-time-likely-delayed-until-2012.shtml?r (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111216/11102617108/sopa-markup-runs-out-time-likely-delayed-until-2012.shtml?r)
Eh, I think I have to agree with mr. bortknob on this stance more or less. I think the internet has ruined human relationships and communication (well, its hurt it more than it has helped it at the very least). However I think we've long reached the point of no return in which too many people would just be lost without their internets the way it is now.
Although witnessing the confusion could be sort of entertaining...
i think hes' full of it! it's thanks to the internet that i've been able to keep in great touch with all my friends across the country/world. be it through social networking, skype, games, w/e. i can't visit them all the time, it's just impossible as you grow up and have to deal with reality.
guys the telephone makes people lazy now they won't meet in real life cuz they can just do voice talking
not ALL internet communications need to be wiped out, just facebook. it's little more than a glitchy datamine for big business and the sooner it's gone the sooner the masses will snap out of this ridiculous mass autism fad being foisted on them.
how lame is it for every single trite little product and ad to have a facebook page anyway? talk about time sinks!
eeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh i don't think i'm as extreme and fanatical about this as you are gladius
i don't particularly like facebook, and i think that all though the internet has the potential to do a lot of good, humanity just isn't ready for it. it's still mainly used for porn and "funny pictures". and regardless of anything, i think almost anything is more valuable to me than a facebook message or comment. people say and do things on facebook that they don't ever do in real life. i have some friends who will talk to me a lot on facebook but in real life they barely speak or never can/want to hang out. etc etc. some of these people i've only seen at shows or parties. we've never actually hung out!
however, though i think to an extent some of these issues are experienced by everyone who uses facebook, i realize that they're specifically my own issues. i'm not trying to say "we need to destroy facebook", i'm saying "i need to change the way i use facebook" or "i need to hang out with people who don't use facebook". taking my own problems with the site and turning that into a militant agenda to take it away from everyone seems like a large and unsupported leap to me.
i was only backing the sopa bill as a half joke, saying "hmm maybe now everyone will have to stop being obsessed with the internet". i don't actually think that enforcing a law that regulates or limits people's internet activity would be a good thing.
and as a side note; i didn't have a facebook for a while, like 6 months. right after i got back on, i started talking to a friend and i joined a new band within a week. without facebook, that wouldn't have happened. i admit that. however, what would have happened if facebook never existed at all?
all i can say that aligns with what gladius is talking about is that my social life was way better before facebook and before myspace as well actually.
Quote from: DrRumack on December 17, 2011 10:51 AM
guys the telephone makes people lazy now they won't meet in real life cuz they can just do voice talking
i think that's sort of an off analogy to make. i understand the message, but really. there is a difference between hearing someone's voice and seeing a bunch of text on a screen. for the record i think video chatting is a plus for the internet.
Quote from: trent bortknob on December 17, 2011 05:02 PM
eeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh i don't think i'm as extreme and fanatical about this as you are gladius
fanaticism owns
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Quote from: DrRumack on December 17, 2011 10:51 AM
guys the telephone makes people lazy now they won't meet in real life cuz they can just do voice talking
yeah man i loved phone pages, phone games and phone communities so much
why'd they ever invent the internet, who needs it when phones had such a vast range of content and were so cheap and totally anonymous to boot
Quote from: rtil on December 17, 2011 09:41 AM
i think hes' full of it! it's thanks to the internet that i've been able to keep in great touch with all my friends across the country/world. be it through social networking, skype, games, w/e. i can't visit them all the time, it's just impossible as you grow up and have to deal with reality.
^
Quote from: trent bortknob on December 17, 2011 05:02 PM
all i can say that aligns with what gladius is talking about is that my social life was way better before facebook and before myspace as well actually.
cool don't use facebook to socialize with people
Quotei think that all though the internet has the potential to do a lot of good, humanity just isn't ready for it. it's still mainly used for porn and "funny pictures".
i still don't get the argument that the internet has any negative impacts on socialization because of how "the majority of people" act on it. why does it matter if the majority of the population uses the internet for things that aren't of critical importance? the majority of the american population put bush into office -- it's blatantly clear that our country is full of morons -- but things would still be seriously fucked up and even more corrupt than it is now if voting was kept out of the hands of the american public because we weren't "ready" for it.
and on that note, what's the deal with you and porn and "funny pictures"? who cares if the vast majority of people on the internet are using it for those things? they're harmless and plenty of people consider them useful and/or entertaining. just because you don't like porn and "funny pictures" doesn't mean humanity isn't ready for the internet.
Quote from: trent bortknob on December 17, 2011 05:02 PM
humanity just isn't ready for it.
i think you're going a bit overboard
I think Facebook has done a lot of good and bad. Some of the best aspects are that it makes it much easier to keep in touch with people, much easier to spread certain news around, and it's really helpful for getting in contact with people in general. Some of the worst aspects are that IM programs are no where as popular anymore because of the shitty Facebook chat and that it has not been good to internet privacy in general. As for the internet as a whole, I've benefited a lot from it. I made a ton of friends online and even met some of them in person, I discovered a lot of artists I would have never heard of otherwise, it caused me to stop using TV, and I feel it made me smarter as a person because of all the resources online.
I'm ready for people to stop using facebook but sopa is not the way to achieve that
when people stop using facebook they will just move on to the next popular social media platform
i'd miss torrents but i already have all the classic music, movies, games and newspaper clippings so i'm kind of through with those
i'm not sure the government or isp's could do anything to completely shut down torrent traffic. you'd just have to cut off internet access completely, but even then there is an "underground" internet made up of independent dns
WTF is SOPA ? aka The American Government trying to ruin the internet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM#ws)
my gaming... my reddit...
n-no...
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Quote from: sev on December 17, 2011 07:44 PM
Quote from: trent bortknob on December 17, 2011 05:02 PM
all i can say that aligns with what gladius is talking about is that my social life was way better before facebook and before myspace as well actually.
cool don't use facebook to socialize with people
well everyone else uses it and it seems a lot of people now use it exclusively, hence the problem. the problem is not that people embellish their social lives with facebook, it's that they rely on it for almost all social interaction.
i'm basically being given two choices: use facebook or don't have any contact with humanity. i don't think that is fair.
whitewine.com
Quote from: trent bortknob on December 18, 2011 02:10 AM
i'm basically being given two choices: use facebook or don't have any contact with humanity. i don't think that is fair.
i'd say it's more like these: use the internet and expand your ability to socially interact with people, or don't use the internet and miss out on being able to socially interact with people who you couldn't talk to otherwise (except on the phone i guess)
it might not be fair, but life isn't fair anyway :wile:
this article details a number of twitter accounts that were suspended for speaking too much about the recent passage of the NDAA
http://www.businessinsider.com/welcome-to-the-united-police-states-of-america-sponsored-by-twitter-2011-12 (http://www.businessinsider.com/welcome-to-the-united-police-states-of-america-sponsored-by-twitter-2011-12)
i find that hard to believe considering that twitter is an outspoken opponent of internet censorship and has repeatedly ignored government requests (not just from the US) to hand over/censor data
this is happening guys
seems a bit sensationalist. judging from all the circumstances, it seems it was a false positive for spam, something that twitter has to vigorously combat and is automated
to top it off, his twitter is back online and he hasn't lost anything
ok fine I just wanted an excuse to embed this song again you got me
this is a bad song i don't like it
i am kinda indifferent to it
though i am upset cuz uit interrupted my simon and garfunkel
fuck you both this song is great
"Additional plugins are required to display all the media on this page."
>_>
you must be on firefox
cool song, hey i'm a dog i am peeing on a fire hydrant
god what a bassline
this is the new national anthem by radiohead
Quote from: rtil on December 19, 2011 07:24 AMyou must be on firefox
Yep. I refuse to install Quicktime on this computer and I forgot what alternative program was a good idea to install after reformatting my PC last year.
come for the deeply-rooted political corruption, stay for the pleasant 80s pop-rock
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Quote from: rtil on December 19, 2011 07:24 AMyou must be on firefox
Yep. I refuse to install Quicktime on this computer and I forgot what alternative program was a good idea to install after reformatting my PC last year.
chrome
I prefer Firefox's interface and add-ons...though Chrome does run better. >_>
I'm enjoying these beats personally.
the internet should only be used for education, high morals, and bettering our humanity. not for pornography or exploiting women.
a message from DL hart.
download hearts for super mario galaxy! you're gay
Quote from: trent bortknob on December 29, 2011 09:17 AMthe internet should only be used for education, high morals, and bettering our humanity. not for pornography or exploiting women.
a message from DL hart.
B-b-bu-but porn is awesome!
Quote from: trent bortknob on December 29, 2011 09:17 AM
the internet should only be used for education, high morals, and bettering our humanity. not for pornography or exploiting women.
a message from DL hart.
and in a perfect world, communism would be an entirely viable option
BUT WE DON'T LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD SON
and on another note WAC you seriously remind me of this guy
TV Tropes Forum: My First Kiss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpLyTrrL-yM#ws)
Quote from: sev on December 29, 2011 07:10 PM
and on another note WAC you seriously remind me of this guy
TV Tropes Forum: My First Kiss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpLyTrrL-yM#ws)
oh man these videos
This Troper EP 84: Yandere (TV Tropes) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF-MKnTFOuo#ws)
check out my criminally insane fantasies guys pretty random and KAWAII HUH
Quote from: trent bortknob on December 29, 2011 09:17 AM
the internet should only be used for education, high morals, and bettering our humanity. not for pornography or exploiting women.
a message from DL hart.
jesus
Quote from: sev on December 29, 2011 07:10 PMand on another note WAC you seriously remind me of this guy
Dear god, he drank out of that water bottle? That sounds so gross.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/12/31/396018/breaking-obama-signs-defense-authorization-bill/ (http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/12/31/396018/breaking-obama-signs-defense-authorization-bill/)
Quote from: redmongoose on December 19, 2011 02:59 AM
Quote from: redmongoose on December 17, 2011 04:43 AM
ONETHINGLEADSTOANOTHER
QuoteThe AP has more from the signing statement: "My administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation."
Sure...
http://youtu.be/seAR1S1Mjkc (http://youtu.be/seAR1S1Mjkc)
Well, it certainly would have been nice if Obama wasn't full of shit.
Quote from: Abnormal on December 30, 2011 09:06 AM
Quote from: trent bortknob on December 29, 2011 09:17 AM
the internet should only be used for education, high morals, and bettering our humanity. not for pornography or exploiting women.
a message from DL hart.
jesus
i know, david liebe hart is very wise
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apparently obama was forced into it
the alternative was to fuck over a ton of people who rely on military-related government funding, in effect war vets and stuff
his hands are tied because congress is full of corrupt fucks
you are right about that, and that is what boehner had planned the whole time. he likes to slip in things like that with unrelated finance and funding bills that have to be signed. the fact he can do that is terrible - however, obama still made a huge mistake in my opinion. he should have vetoed it the moment it got to his desk and demanded that the republicans take out the NDAA sections and pass it again.
but because the bill already already passed with a super majority, would the veto do anything more than delay it's passing? I suppose vocally attacking the bill would have been his best option, since at this point not vetoing it seems like misguided damage control--he's been spared accusations of delaying the bill ("Obama denies funding for families of our troops!") but is now saddled with the title of President Who Allowed His Citizens To Be Indefinitely Detained
who cares if he would be overridden by congress? they have a 5% approval rating - anything they do to trump the president will just make americans hate them more and make the president look like the victim
unless you're fox news
tbh it would be cool if obama could turn this to his advantage and arrest congress for conspiring against the freedom of the american people
that would redeem everything else he's done
it's only going to get worse
Quote from: Sinitron on January 3, 2012 12:11 AM
tbh it would be cool if obama could turn this to his advantage and arrest congress for conspiring against the freedom of the american people
that would redeem everything else he's done
I'd get my popcorn ready for that.
Quote from: Sapphire on January 14, 2012 06:13 PM
Quote from: Sinitron on January 3, 2012 12:11 AM
tbh it would be cool if obama could turn this to his advantage and arrest congress for conspiring against the freedom of the american people
that would redeem everything else he's done
I'd get my popcorn ready for that.
Whip out the lawn chairs!