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Started by rtil, July 21, 2008 06:10 AM

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rtil

it is easy to do it here. but it's cheaper to ship it overseas

FrozenSheep

Death to all korean animators.
One of my biggest fears about taking a future in animation is that the job market will shit on me.

bcube

Quote from: FrozenSheepDeath to all korean animators.
One of my biggest fears about taking a future in animation is that the job market will shit on me.

isnt flapjack and such animated in korea? ( or atleast not in the US )

this is thebackalleys

Swoop

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Quote from: FrozenSheepDeath to all korean animators.
One of my biggest fears about taking a future in animation is that the job market will shit on me.

isnt flapjack and such animated in korea? ( or atleast not in the US )

More than likely. As previously mentioned, Spongebob Squarepants is as well. Anything as simplistic-looking, for lack of better term, as a regular cartoon, seems to be done this way because of, as rtil stated, cost effectiveness...at least in the eyes of the producers.

rtil

chowder is animated in china and flapjack is animated in korea. although thurop van orman, creator of flapjack, has expressed that he really wants some in-house animators to do some scenes. because the koreans ruin a lot of the potential humor

sQueef

you Can't Fuck with K-STYLE 1337 PRO animators
Oh, wretched ephemeral race ... why do you compel me to tell you what it would be most expedient for you not to hear? What is best of all is utterly beyond your reach: not to be born, not to be, to be nothing. But the second best for you is—to die soon.

FrozenSheep

#86
It seems like I have no future in classical animation.
Maybe some story boarding or something


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mishkamash

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sQueef

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decompile it and export the .mp3 resource

thats all ya gotta do man
Oh, wretched ephemeral race ... why do you compel me to tell you what it would be most expedient for you not to hear? What is best of all is utterly beyond your reach: not to be born, not to be, to be nothing. But the second best for you is—to die soon.

mishkamash

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Quote from: FrozenSheepSOMEONE SEND ME AN MP3 OF DIRTY BILL
decompile it and export the .mp3 resource

thats all ya gotta do man
and i don't know how that works!
<lenko> i saw a hedgehog on the way home if i was drunk i would have yelled IM DOCTOR RRRRROBOTNIK and chased it 

sQueef

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Quote from: FrozenSheepSOMEONE SEND ME AN MP3 OF DIRTY BILL
decompile it and export the .mp3 resource

thats all ya gotta do man
and i don't know how that works!
its pretty easy really!!
Oh, wretched ephemeral race ... why do you compel me to tell you what it would be most expedient for you not to hear? What is best of all is utterly beyond your reach: not to be born, not to be, to be nothing. But the second best for you is—to die soon.

rtil


Swoop

Quote from: rtilbecause the koreans ruin a lot of the potential humor

How so?

rtil

#93
^ lmao pretty much

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Quote from: rtilbecause the koreans ruin a lot of the potential humor
How so?

there's several problems with outsourcing:
1. cultural differences may confuse the animators and they won't get the joke or the scene
2. a lot of them speak broken or no english and the scenes get lost in translation
3. they're about 4,000 miles away - instead of across the room - from the producers and storyboard artists. so if they have questions, they can't ask them.
4. they have different drawing styles and don't have the in-house style, especially at the beginning of production.
5. they are typically not trained by the art directors and therefore have no past with whoever they're working with.
6. they're not vested in it because most animation is shoved under their doors and they inbetween it without even knowing what the show is about.

i could go on forever. outsourcing is flat out unhealthy for the animation industry, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron. or probably korean.

ZekeySpaceyLizard

i'm pretty sure the koreans dont enjoy it eitherrrr



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Swoop

Sounds logical. At the very least it seems to be of better quality than many series created completely in flash and put on television. However, that can be simply from the difference in expectation from something you would watch online to something you would see broadcasted.

It's strange actually. I believe the use of voiceover for cartoons in Vancouver was made heavy during the 90's due to American producers taking a liking to the set rates Canadian actors were "bound to" (?). Now it seems to be the case for the animation itself where the mentality seems to be that they have enough funds to afford quality, but still want to be...well, perhaps "Cheap" isn't fitting, but in their minds maybe "cost-effective"? I'm sure there's a better way to describe it than how I'm thinking...

wps

koreans can animate betta dan u guys!
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rtil

Quote from: Zekeyi'm pretty sure the koreans dont enjoy it eitherrrr


Quote from: ILikeToSwoopThingsSounds logical. At the very least it seems to be of better quality than many series created completely in flash and put on television. However, that can be simply from the difference in expectation from something you would watch online to something you would see broadcasted.

It's strange actually. I believe the use of voiceover for cartoons in Vancouver was made heavy during the 90's due to American producers taking a liking to the set rates Canadian actors were "bound to" (?). Now it seems to be the case for the animation itself where the mentality seems to be that they have enough funds to afford quality, but still want to be...well, perhaps "Cheap" isn't fitting, but in their minds maybe "cost-effective"? I'm sure there's a better way to describe it than how I'm thinking...
of course that's why they do it. but when they do that, they're sacrificing the chance of having the cartoon be ten times more successful than it ever could have been. cartoons like spongebob were originally done in-house. now all their animation and coloring work is done overseas. it's still popular, but even a ten year old can tell the difference in quality between an episode from season 1 and season 6.

the best era of american cartoons was from the 30's to the 60's. everything was done here and animators were brought in and trained under mentors, and they sat right next to them. they did inbetweens and that's how they learned, but the difference was is that they were surrounded by people doing the same things as them, and not at some studio 4,000 miles away with no clue in the world as to what they just did. animation was a very personal and direct medium then. everyone from the clean-up artists to the executives were brilliant artists and storytellers.

now, the executives are usually shmucks who couldn't give a crap about cartoons. and that's why most cartoons suck. the second you take control away from the artist, the second it goes from being about telling a story, to selling a product. and then all the heart gets sucked out of it.

a lot of overseas animation is good, but that's really besides the point. ask any producer of a cartoon that's animated overseas, and i'll bet at some point they've asked their bosses to have at least one person in-house to do animation.

Swoop

Do you seek to change this problem in some way?

sQueef

damn I wish I could work at a place that would let me smoke and drink codeine and shit right there

and have a gun and wacom pc shit

thats nice stuff man i want some of that stuff
Oh, wretched ephemeral race ... why do you compel me to tell you what it would be most expedient for you not to hear? What is best of all is utterly beyond your reach: not to be born, not to be, to be nothing. But the second best for you is—to die soon.

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