thread of bad

[rtil]

so basically she is pro-censorship when it's convenient for her. sounds about right

[michaell]

She's defending retarded localization decisions using exactly the same reasoning one could have used to defend the Steven Universe UK localization a month ago.

I wouldn't have posted this if I wasn't pretty sure she wasn't coming back but if she does read this, I hold nothing against her specifically, just the hivemind whose values she espouses.

im more curious why anyone cares

this reminds me of the time i played fortune summoners which is a jrpg about little girls destroying stupid shit

cool game i can recommend it to all of you winks

ANYWAY the faggots who translated the game incited HUGE CONTROVERSY where they told the jap that made the game to alter the following picture



so now theyre wrapped in towels which is no major upheaval since you cant see shit (thank God) in the original one anyway

and this came under strident criticism from the Fanz which i dont get because how the fuck is this relevant!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you morons at least the gameplay is intact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! also theyre 9 so its a reasonable thing to draw anyway

[rtil]

people care for all kinds of reasons, but it's relevant because it sets a precedent that censorship is fair game for whatever reason companies that are responsible for localization feel like.

in a game like that it seems trivial, but in the bigger picture it throws away the original creator's vision for an altered one, and sends the message that it's ok to tamper with anything and go beyond the scope of your job to impose your morality/ethics/whatever onto others without their blessing.

if people today blow something like this off, the localization staff will assume that it's ok to change games however they see fit and no one will bat an eye. at that point the developers will either stop giving them games to translate or wide-scale censorship will become the norm.


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[michaell]

people care for all kinds of reasons, but it's relevant because it sets a precedent that censorship is fair game for whatever reason companies that are responsible for localization feel like.

in a game like that it seems trivial, but in the bigger picture it throws away the original creator's vision for an altered one, and sends the message that it's ok to tamper with anything and go beyond the scope of your job to impose your morality/ethics/whatever onto others without their blessing.

if people today blow something like this off, the localization staff will assume that it's ok to change games however they see fit and no one will bat an eye. at that point the developers will either stop giving them games to translate or wide-scale censorship will become the norm.


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thats not censorship thats business

the translators are the ones giving the original creators a chance to expand their audience significantly so its perfectly justifiable for them to dictate rules

i think its pefectly fine

[rtil]

people care for all kinds of reasons, but it's relevant because it sets a precedent that censorship is fair game for whatever reason companies that are responsible for localization feel like.

in a game like that it seems trivial, but in the bigger picture it throws away the original creator's vision for an altered one, and sends the message that it's ok to tamper with anything and go beyond the scope of your job to impose your morality/ethics/whatever onto others without their blessing.

if people today blow something like this off, the localization staff will assume that it's ok to change games however they see fit and no one will bat an eye. at that point the developers will either stop giving them games to translate or wide-scale censorship will become the norm.


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thats not censorship thats business

the translators are the ones giving the original creators a chance to expand their audience significantly so its perfectly justifiable for them to dictate rules

i think its pefectly fine

how is it not censorship? towel over nudity/implied nudity is classic censorship.

expanding business at the cost of creative license is dubious. obviously the core audience are the people familiar with the IP. that's why they get upset.

this kind of move is bad for business. good thing you're not in charge of it.


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[michaell]

people care for all kinds of reasons, but it's relevant because it sets a precedent that censorship is fair game for whatever reason companies that are responsible for localization feel like.

in a game like that it seems trivial, but in the bigger picture it throws away the original creator's vision for an altered one, and sends the message that it's ok to tamper with anything and go beyond the scope of your job to impose your morality/ethics/whatever onto others without their blessing.

if people today blow something like this off, the localization staff will assume that it's ok to change games however they see fit and no one will bat an eye. at that point the developers will either stop giving them games to translate or wide-scale censorship will become the norm.


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thats not censorship thats business

the translators are the ones giving the original creators a chance to expand their audience significantly so its perfectly justifiable for them to dictate rules

i think its pefectly fine

how is it not censorship? towel over nudity/implied nudity is classic censorship.

expanding business at the cost of creative license is dubious. obviously the core audience are the people familiar with the IP. that's why they get upset.

this kind of move is bad for business. good thing you're not in charge of it.


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thats not censorship its merely a minor alternation the translators, therefore their superiors deemed appropriate to implement. by agreeing to the terms of their contract the creators have to comply with their decisions, as long as it is predicted by their contract

they should even thank them and express sincere gratitude for actually allowing them to impart their game outside of japan, wow!

the translators are the authority here and authorities have to be obeyed

plus on an informal level, thats not censorship thats common sense

tits and ass =/= creativity

japs are an insane nations so families bathe naked there but in europe or the us nobody does it so its fine to adapt any questionable content
its just like mcdonalds, they dont sell beef in muslim countries because itd be an affort to their religion

[rtil]

people care for all kinds of reasons, but it's relevant because it sets a precedent that censorship is fair game for whatever reason companies that are responsible for localization feel like.

in a game like that it seems trivial, but in the bigger picture it throws away the original creator's vision for an altered one, and sends the message that it's ok to tamper with anything and go beyond the scope of your job to impose your morality/ethics/whatever onto others without their blessing.

if people today blow something like this off, the localization staff will assume that it's ok to change games however they see fit and no one will bat an eye. at that point the developers will either stop giving them games to translate or wide-scale censorship will become the norm.


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thats not censorship thats business

the translators are the ones giving the original creators a chance to expand their audience significantly so its perfectly justifiable for them to dictate rules

i think its pefectly fine

how is it not censorship? towel over nudity/implied nudity is classic censorship.

expanding business at the cost of creative license is dubious. obviously the core audience are the people familiar with the IP. that's why they get upset.

this kind of move is bad for business. good thing you're not in charge of it.


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thats not censorship its merely a minor alternation the translators, therefore their superiors deemed appropriate to implement. by agreeing to the terms of their contract the creators have to comply with their decisions, as long as it is predicted by their contract

they should even thank them and express sincere gratitude for actually allowing them to impart their game outside of japan, wow!

the translators are the authority here and authorities have to be obeyed

plus on an informal level, thats not censorship thats common sense

tits and ass =/= creativity

japs are an insane nations so families bathe naked there but in europe or the us nobody does it so its fine to adapt any questionable content
its just like mcdonalds, they dont sell beef in muslim countries because itd be an affort to their religion

im not going to argue the semantics of a contract you and i both dont have access to, it is entirely possible in this instance that the publisher had 100% control over the content changes but they don't all work that way and many devs would refuse such an offer. not all devs care purely for profit at the expense of their creative license. a translator is not an authority they are an extension of a publisher. their scope of "authority" is in accuracy,  not alteration and injection of personal opinion or bias.

like i said whatever this game is the example is trivial, it may not be creative but it does violate the vision of the creator by altering it. you are also not the authority on what creativity is.

i'm not gonna argue about the xenophobic stuff since that's a waste of my time but you keep missing the point about audiences - the average american is probably not going to be interested in this game or any game for that matter. the reason why is because they are targeted at specific demographics and interest groups. people play games or watch movies expecting something. censorship directly violates the relationship between consumer and creator. that's why people who appreciate freedom of expression don't like censorship. apparently you're not one of them? it's difficult to tell.


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[Gladius]

"the reason why is because they are targeted at specific demographics and interest groups"

which makes them not art but a kitsch product and not worth stressing about the censorship of. see ya.

[rtil]

"the reason why is because they are targeted at specific demographics and interest groups"

which makes them not art but a kitsch product and not worth stressing about the censorship of. see ya.

you should probably look up what a word means before you use it. case in point: kitsch, art

[Bamyasi]

Somewhat surprised/disappointed by the dynamic duo's siding with the SJW on this one.

which makes them not art but a kitsch product and not worth stressing about the censorship of. see ya.

When was the last time something was produced in any medium that couldn't be described as "kitsch" or "not art" by some metric? Certainly not in my lifetime.

The reason censorshit bothers me other than the reasons rtil expressed is because I'm a fucking legal adult in the United States and I don't like being told what I can and can't consume. Who does Nintendo think they are, my mom? If you're going to take stuff out of a game, at least make it available as DLC you fucking morons.

It really gets me that SJW are so obsessed with being on the "right side of history" (emphasis on Right). When has defending censorship ever been historically vindicated?

Also getting tickled at "tits and ass =/= creativity." What kind of classicist doesn't look at classical art? Do I need to dump the entire Louvre ITT?

Fucking fig leaves everywhere.

[rtil]

Somewhat surprised/disappointed by the dynamic duo's siding with the SJW on this one.

well it aligns with both their conservative and contrarian sensibilities so it's the only stance they can take. plus it's annie may so it was already doomed from the start. triple whammy

[Necronomitr0n]

until you discover equilibrium and realize that salvation exists in truly not caring about anything then you are a lost cause destined only to create problems for those that have already achieved this sought after state of tranquil enlightenment.

this x1,000,000

if you ever wonder why i'm so chill all the time, it's because most if not all things aren't worth getting upset about, especially animus & mangos

[Bamyasi]

I'm really not that upset I just enjoy typing.

Plus what the fuck does it matter if I'm upset about this jesus christ. You guys don't say that when it's a discussion about literally anything else. Just because you deem points against developers, artists and writers to be trivial doesn't mean I have to.

Okay now I am kind of upset.

[Gladius]

"Somewhat surprised/disappointed by the dynamic duo's siding with the SJW on this one."

authoritarianism isn't SJW and i don't side with them on account of their many dumbass beliefs. try again pal (and maybe read some good philosophers like plato who speak of the importance of the state and lawful authority)

"When was the last time something was produced in any medium that couldn't be described as "kitsch" or "not art" by some metric? Certainly not in my lifetime."

when it wasn't produced to appeal to a target demo to maximize profit by an amoral corporation perhaps

"When has defending censorship ever been historically vindicated?"

often... esp when it involves removing harmful components like porn, violence and nazi propaganda. see ya.

[Bamyasi]

I don't doubt your authoritarian leanings, but you are effectively siding with SJW, even if your reasoning is different and my rhetoric is childish.

Your other points are too vague to argue with. I kind of wanted examples. Also I wouldn't consider propaganda/most porn/snuff films to be art personally, even if the line is occasionally blurry (at least with the two former categories).

[rtil]

Your other points are too vague to argue with. I kind of wanted examples.

that's because - like always - he's in over his head and doesn't understand what he's trying to argue. that's why he bowed out at the end of his post so you couldn't corner him for specifics. he does it every time he realizes he's wrong. not the worst way of minimizing damage to a fragile ego.. maybe he learned it from trump

[michaell]

I don't doubt your authoritarian leanings, but you are effectively siding with SJW, even if your reasoning is different and my rhetoric is childish.

Your other points are too vague to argue with. I kind of wanted examples. Also I wouldn't consider propaganda/most porn/snuff films to be art personally, even if the line is occasionally blurry (at least with the two former categories).

how is that the sjw line of thinking

i never said things must be 'censored', formally: altered, i just said it was fine to do so

the fact i agree with purging them is a different story but i dont muddle those two things

[Gladius]

Your other points are too vague to argue with. I kind of wanted examples.

that's because - like always - he's in over his head and doesn't understand what he's trying to argue. that's why he bowed out at the end of his post so you couldn't corner him for specifics. he does it every time he realizes he's wrong. not the worst way of minimizing damage to a fragile ego.. maybe he learned it from trump

and maybe u learned to spout half brained insults and act like arguing is beneath u from jew liebowitz pal

[michaell]

Somewhat surprised/disappointed by the dynamic duo's siding with the SJW on this one.

which makes them not art but a kitsch product and not worth stressing about the censorship of. see ya.

When was the last time something was produced in any medium that couldn't be described as "kitsch" or "not art" by some metric? Certainly not in my lifetime.

The reason censorshit bothers me other than the reasons rtil expressed is because I'm a fucking legal adult in the United States and I don't like being told what I can and can't consume. Who does Nintendo think they are, my mom? If you're going to take stuff out of a game, at least make it available as DLC you fucking morons.

It really gets me that SJW are so obsessed with being on the "right side of history" (emphasis on Right). When has defending censorship ever been historically vindicated?

Also getting tickled at "tits and ass =/= creativity." What kind of classicist doesn't look at classical art? Do I need to dump the entire Louvre ITT?

Fucking fig leaves everywhere.

but those tits and asses actually represented something most of the time. nudity can be chaste and pure. it all depends on what you want to convey

not appeasing lonely pedos with phimosis, get your facts straight

also i underline; how is it the sjw line of thinking?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?1?1?!?

i never said what MUST or MUSNT be published

i just said it was alright for the translators/anybody in power to alter the content of the game as long as it is predicted in their contract; that is a purely free market approach!

my personal inclinations are a different story and they do not overlap my 'official' stance

[soup]

who gives a fuck about philosophy theyre all dead, didnt help them much there did it