Is Agnosticism Bad?

[Pants, the terrible]

Heres another idea, IF god exists chances are he would fuckin hate the chrisian church for doing all the things they did IN HIS NAME and we've probably been sold an incorrect depiction of him.

OR maybe he is as cruel as he sounds in the bible and can get away with it because ykno bein GOD and all.

your decisions are all completely based on this society until you reach another, and understand their culture. the diverging of cultures, ideas, and morals all lead up to one gigantic agreement: try not to physically, psychologically, or emotionally damage your fellow man or yourself. that's all it will amount to.

tell that to the aztecs!


although to their credit they were trying to sustain the universe so idk

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but honestly, the south is actually not very segregated rtil. in fact if anything, the only people segregating these days are blacks who dont want to conform to white society. government benifits are high enough for any person to escape poverty and find a way to make a living. generally its just because they want to drain tax money to buy new vehicles and drugs. i'm being realistic based on living in theodore alabama for 6 years. good fuckity lord. i mean, there is blatant white racism as well (read above), but its based on both sides creating a central image of an enemy race. very little of it these days really.

oh, and i still stand by the fact that popular morality changes based on who has the power. whoever can create a law can convince the following generation of it's impact on their lives by enforcing such a law. the war on drugs convinced millions upon millions that drugs are "bad" without teaching them any positive or negative points to them. it actually created a "good vs. bad" scenario of morality, where some would experience the drugs, and some wouldn't. it just created a moral standard that hadn't yet been adressed until the legal system grabbed hold of it.

ex: we drink and think opium is a dangerous drug morally and legally, while contrasting in Saudi Arabia, they smoke opium and inject heroin, while they believe drinking is a dangerous drug morally and legally. its all culture based. morals are never defined without society to do so.

right and wrong are still unanswerable conceptual questions without something to put them into a solid perspective. the power is generally other people agreeing with you or disagreeing with you. religions are simply clans of people agreeing with a certain concept, if thats not blatantly obvious.

oh, and god is an idea of perfection. perfection isn't all good or bad. those are just concepts that were developed to keep us from harming one another or ourselves. perfection is the ability to give guidance towards these concepts in such a way that there will be a sizable conglomeration to each, giving people choice, understanding, and their own opinions of this being. perfection is an idea, not concrete.

in fact, the entire fact that we are typing these paragraphs is proving that there is physical response to the idea of these beings. there has always been physical response to these, and thats where these ideas directly affect us the most prominently. oh well, i'm getting into simple philosophy now.

feel free to waste more time on this thing

[trent bortknob]

oh, and i still stand by the fact that popular morality changes based on who has the power.

that's because you're a fucking moron

[Pants, the terrible]

trent, more name calling will just get me to tattle to the teacher and youll have to do to detention! naaah naah

[trent bortknob]

i don't really understand why you believe in god when you seem to understand that your entire religion is a sham.

hmmm well i guess that does deserve a bit of an explanation.
i believe as humans we dont have a complete pereception of all existing phenomena. I have this theory.... i think the relationship between humans and god is similar to the relationhip between a blind man and images. the blind man can probably feel,smell and hear everything that happens around him, but his mind is remote from the concept of an image, and colors, and values, and visual information altogether. and he can only assume it exists or perhaps learn from it from someone else... but the person telling him this is also blind... that is kind of how i feel about the whole thing.

certainly we don't have a completely full understanding of everything. currently there is plenty that we do not understand. the problem comes when you start inserting your god wherever there are gaps in knowledge, or assuming that because there are gaps in knowledge, that that means that there is there is something totally beyond our understanding.

there are probably things that we will never know. some planets are so far away that the light that is traveling to us and causing us to perceive them is so far away that what we're actually seeing is billions of years old. did any planets that far away support life? we will probably never know. even if we could travel to the place that they are, they probably don't even exist anymore. this is just one example.

that certainly is humbling, at least in my opinion. but where does god come in? i view the concepts of god in a totally different light. and even you said you're not sure what kind of god you believe in. if you have no clue what type of god might exist, why even bother worrying about whether or not there is one at all?

i don't want to be insulting, i really don't, but i feel that you're clinging to the concept of god because that is how you were raised or because for some reason, you want there to be one. you want to believe in god but you know that there are so many problems with the religions that exist. the desire to believe in god is there and you're trying to substantiate it with a reasonable idea of what god might exist. this is just my view, so please correct me if i'm wrong, but you really have to consider how silly it is to define a god through the holes in religious logic. it makes so much more sense that there is no god at all.

but i really don't want to seem condescending, because i used to be just like this. i went through a phase where i did not want to be called an atheist even though i did not believe in god. i was afraid of abandoning god or being closed to the possibility, i was afraid of seeming arrogant, i was afraid of being looked down upon by friends and family. i was worried that i could be wrong and that i could wind up in hell for not believing. i spent a long time just not thinking about it, trying to remain totally neutral and referring to myself as an agnostic (i thought that an agnostic was someone who "didn't know" or "didn't care").

you ought to read the book "godless" by dan barker. it tells the story of a evangelical christian preacher (who actually learned fluent spanish and did a lot of preaching in mexico) who became an atheist later in his life (and is now head of the freedom from religion foundation). he talks about his issues with it and many of the arguments for and against god. it's a surprisingly good book that is both philosophically sophisticated, humorous, and overall interesting. i think you would benefit greatly from reading it.

[trent bortknob]

trent, more name calling will just get me to tattle to the teacher and youll have to do to detention! naaah naah

i'm not going to humor you with a debate because no matter what anyone says you just regurgitate the same baseless opinions. i don't need to waste my time writing fucking essays to someone as arrogant and closed-minded as yourself. and anyway, you're probably just trolling. either that or you are really, really stupid.

[rtil]

but honestly, the south is actually not very segregated rtil.

tell that to the rest of the civilized world and they will laugh in your face

in fact if anything, the only people segregating these days are blacks who dont want to conform to white society.

wow

government benifits are high enough for any person to escape poverty and find a way to make a living.

i'm guessing you're still living comfy with your mommy and/or daddy because this is so hilariously wrong i can't even begin to tell you. welfare will buy you possibly the poorest state of living you can imagine at best. supporting a family on welfare alone is near impossible.

generally its just because they want to drain tax money to buy new vehicles and drugs. i'm being realistic based on living in theodore alabama for 6 years. good fuckity lord. i mean, there is blatant white racism as well (read above), but its based on both sides creating a central image of an enemy race. very little of it these days really.

well when you're in a state of poverty in the shithole of america with poor education, what do you expect? that part of the united states has been torn apart by racism. it's up to the new generation on both sides of the aisle to change things obviously, but clearly you're no different than rest of them.

oh, and i still stand by the fact that popular morality changes based on who has the power. whoever can create a law can convince the following generation of it's impact on their lives by enforcing such a law. the war on drugs convinced millions upon millions that drugs are "bad" without teaching them any positive or negative points to them. it actually created a "good vs. bad" scenario of morality, where some would experience the drugs, and some wouldn't. it just created a moral standard that hadn't yet been adressed until the legal system grabbed hold of it.

ex: we drink and think opium is a dangerous drug morally and legally, while contrasting in Saudi Arabia, they smoke opium and inject heroin, while they believe drinking is a dangerous drug morally and legally. its all culture based. morals are never defined without society to do so.

right and wrong are still unanswerable conceptual questions without something to put them into a solid perspective. the power is generally other people agreeing with you or disagreeing with you. religions are simply clans of people agreeing with a certain concept, if thats not blatantly obvious.

sure, there are gray areas of morality, mostly coinciding with ignorance, but what about tougher concepts like, is it ok to torture another human being? kill someone for their property? should rape be a punishable crime? i think it would be difficult to argue that these are moral gray areas in every part of the civilized world.

oh, and god is an idea of perfection. perfection isn't all good or bad. those are just concepts that were developed to keep us from harming one another or ourselves. perfection is the ability to give guidance towards these concepts in such a way that there will be a sizable conglomeration to each, giving people choice, understanding, and their own opinions of this being. perfection is an idea, not concrete.

then you should have been clear from that at the get go, because most gods of monotheistic religions are not an image of perfection.

and i guess you didn't really read my part of the post that explained why humans act in the way you described. that or you're completely ignoring it. because it has nothing to do with perfection. it has everything to do with survival - it is an animal instinct.

in fact, the entire fact that we are typing these paragraphs is proving that there is physical response to the idea of these beings. there has always been physical response to these, and thats where these ideas directly affect us the most prominently. oh well, i'm getting into simple philosophy now.

something you've demonstrated you don't understand very well.

feel free to waste more time on this thing

right back atchya

[emanhattan]

but honestly, the south is actually not very segregated rtil. in fact if anything, the only people segregating these days are blacks who dont want to conform to white society.

government benifits are high enough for any person to escape poverty and find a way to make a living. generally its just because they want to drain tax money to buy new vehicles and drugs.

lmao wow

oh, and i still stand by the fact that popular morality changes based on who has the power. 

as Frank Zappa would say "morality in terms of behavior not in terms of theology"

feel free to waste more time on this thing

-if you feel comfortable saying things this dumb on a forum on the internet you probably would feel comfortable saying them in public too.

also i suspect you have never talked to anyone who is black or hispanic

[DrRumack]

itt dante is a moronic racist who desperately wants to be an intellectual and feels not even an ounce of shame despite his complete lack of tact or brain matter

[Sinitron]

itt everyone is terrible and prime examples of BULLSHIT

[Sinitron]

"i think my asshole is the best for receiving rimjobs, your asshole clearly has more fecal matter covering the edges"

[Pants, the terrible]

wow you got so serious about all this. i'm shocked.

i'm just gonna post this for you to gawk at:

http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/outreach/tracts/may21/

have fun

[Philip K Dick]

one up top for the mad troll brah brah

[Philip K Dick]

too slow!! haha!

[BluPhoenix]

but honestly, the south is actually not very segregated rtil. in fact if anything, the only people segregating these days are blacks who dont want to conform to white society. government benifits are high enough for any person to escape poverty and find a way to make a living. generally its just because they want to drain tax money to buy new vehicles and drugs. i'm being realistic based on living in theodore alabama for 6 years. good fuckity lord. i mean, there is blatant white racism as well (read above), but its based on both sides creating a central image of an enemy race. very little of it these days really.

oh, and i still stand by the fact that popular morality changes based on who has the power. whoever can create a law can convince the following generation of it's impact on their lives by enforcing such a law. the war on drugs convinced millions upon millions that drugs are "bad" without teaching them any positive or negative points to them. it actually created a "good vs. bad" scenario of morality, where some would experience the drugs, and some wouldn't. it just created a moral standard that hadn't yet been adressed until the legal system grabbed hold of it.

ex: we drink and think opium is a dangerous drug morally and legally, while contrasting in Saudi Arabia, they smoke opium and inject heroin, while they believe drinking is a dangerous drug morally and legally. its all culture based. morals are never defined without society to do so.

right and wrong are still unanswerable conceptual questions without something to put them into a solid perspective. the power is generally other people agreeing with you or disagreeing with you. religions are simply clans of people agreeing with a certain concept, if thats not blatantly obvious.

oh, and god is an idea of perfection. perfection isn't all good or bad. those are just concepts that were developed to keep us from harming one another or ourselves. perfection is the ability to give guidance towards these concepts in such a way that there will be a sizable conglomeration to each, giving people choice, understanding, and their own opinions of this being. perfection is an idea, not concrete.

in fact, the entire fact that we are typing these paragraphs is proving that there is physical response to the idea of these beings. there has always been physical response to these, and thats where these ideas directly affect us the most prominently. oh well, i'm getting into simple philosophy now.

Best Line Delivery of All Time

[put]

itt everyone is terrible and prime examples of BULLSHIT

You sir, really get my line of thinking, a pizza point for you

[Pants, the terrible]

my butt is in need of more dicks GIVE THEM UP AT ME

[Gladius]

Disgusting Nephilim giants - ( The Gorilla199 Channel )

Everyone must beware

The GIANTS will roam once again

[trent bortknob]

the bible guarantees it, just like how the world ended a few months ago. man that was a trip.

[emanhattan]

cant decide if i threw up or delicioso

[rtil]

neither

it will remain in purgatory for eternity