when you die

[RadWalrus]

I don't believe in eternal damnation, so, naturally, I don't believe in eternal reward.
I don't see why god would create people that are destined to be doomed, anyway.
I hope death is as much of a relief as sleep, I'm always so tired...
I hope I'll dream...

[Sinitron]

look at all the lonely people

where do they all come from

[Sef]

I believe in heaven and hell, but if there isnt and you known I "rot in the ground" then how would I me dissapointed
as to why, its just the way ive been brought up, and it helps not having the risk of supposedly going to hell

BUT I never allow religion to be the deciding point in an argument, when people do that it pisses me off

[GhostingFish]

I hope death is as much of a relief as sleep, I'm always so tired...
I hope I'll dream...

what you said... what you said right there just took me away.. I can talk all night about my theories about death and what is supposedly 'after' but its late here and i need sleep for my self. :I

Why do we live only to die? Because everything is in motion. Everything is in a cycle. One thing for sure is that i am not a god believer but i do know something IS out there.. I did have a few past-life experiences before too.. very strange. One was that i was in a room. Not to shabby of a room. But it was dark except for a dark-blue/gray glow from the tempest outside shining into a small window.. idk how else to describe it..

maybe i'll make my own post in a few days about my thoughts on life, death, and beyond..

[cipher]

Whenever I see this question asked I feel like there are always people who get 'what they believe' and 'what they want to believe' mixed up.

[naturally]

Whenever I see this question asked I feel like there are always people who get 'what they believe' and 'what they want to believe' mixed up.

nailed it.

[GhostingFish]

Whenever I see this question asked I feel like there are always people who get 'what they believe' and 'what they want to believe' mixed up.

nailed it.

[sev]

two big principles in mind that lead to a bigger theory for me:
1. everything is in constant motion, and this constant motion is what keeps the human body alive. everything in life works this way it seems, from even microcosmic ends of the spectrum such as people getting depressed when they don't freshen the routines of their daily lives, to the higher extremes, like the oxygen cycle of the life on planet earth, or even the way the world turns. if any of those things stop, bad shit happens. nothing of substance on this earth (aside from maybe space debris) has ever been created entirely from scratch. all of the elements that have existed at the beginning of time exist today, and has only changed form, evolved, and been recycled. change is crucial, and stagnation inevitably leads to death. this is a precept i firmly believe in, one of consistent motion and fluidity.
2. when people die, it's always because of some defective organ or bodily function, which makes the body unable to perform the processes that allow it to maintain homeostasis and continue life. but despite this, replacing that defective organ doesn't bring anyone back to life. once the flow stops, it stops forever.

so by that stroke, here's my thought process:
- there has never been a brain transplant ever seen done successfully. it's so far been proven impossible to revive a human being. once all of the human processes stop for a certain period in time, life is not salvageable. this proves to me that our being isn't totally limited to the brain, although it is obviously a crucial part of it. it causes me to believe that there may be something else to life, something that is not malleable like any other element on the planet.
- given that this is true, and there is something more to life, and given that it, too, follows the same primary principles above, it is not retrievable after a body is out of service, and in the way of the body, must be recycled. the body feeds the planet through various processes of decomposition, so if there's another side of life, where does it go?
- this leads to ideas of what happens after death. if it follows the same principles as everything else on this planet, it is a non-negotiable process that has to continue endlessly, and constantly change. on that note, i don't think there's a "heaven" or "hell", because that would oppose the rule of infinite motion, as both of those are portrayed as places you stay eternally. (i never liked the idea of "eternal paradise" anyways. always sounded boring to me)
- if not heaven or hell, then what? this always lead me to turn to various eastern philosophies for a second opinion. one of the most common themes of what occurs after death in all of the more popular ones (except islam, i guess?), unlike most european religions, is reincarnation. this would be in line with the two aforementioned principles, but at the same time, leaves a lot of things without explanation. for example, if we reincarnate, and every death breeds another life, why has humanity been able to multiply as it has? and why would the knowledge and lessons of one life not be retained in the next? it leaves a lot of blank spots that no man can actually answer.
- so, given that everything above is true, reincarnation is the most plausible idea to me, because a static afterlife sure as hell isn't, and science's idea behind it ironically contrasts one of the principles that have clearly defined our planet and all of its processes since day one. but even then, there's so much that goes unexplained.

- in contrast, however, the fact alone that life is actively created every day makes it literally the only thing in the world that has not been here since the beginning. so basically IF ALL OF THE ABOVE IS TRUE, i can conclude one of the following about the afterlife:

a. considering the universe is huge, maybe reincarnation is real and there's some sort of race or various races out there that die at the same rate life on earth expands, and there's some sort of cross-galactic reincarnation shit going on. weirder theory but hey i haven't died yet, what right do i have to say that it's bananas

b. birth is the only thing in the general chain that actually breaks the recycling of all of earth's elements and defies the rule of endless re-use, so maybe in the same way, there's a way that death can also break the cycle, and maybe there is something beyond the theorized endless cycle of change, and an end to life.

or of course there's always c or d:

c. we're born, we die, we rot in the ground. all we are is the sum of our parts, and there's nothing magical about life or personality or intelligence. basically, scientific fact.

d. x religion is right, and all believers of y and z religions burn in hell while the dignified emissaries of x religion earn themselves a seat in x god's kingdom. basically, extreme stereotype of religious teachings.

no matter what though, i live by 3 principles.
i. try to be a decent person, and live by a moral code that makes sense
ii. accept the possibility of something else being out there, even if it isn't a religious interpretation of some sort of god, and respect it, and respect other people's beliefs
iii. don't ever claim to know how the universe works or what happens after life. because nobody actually knows their shit for sure.

[iinnkk]

i agree with sev because he is a bitch and stole the words out of my mouth
also this topic gives me an uneasy feeling because of prior family loss but if you ever have a serious discussion with me on this topic the convo will be just as long as sev's post.

[DrRumack]

im with stusader. ive been holding onto this belief since middle school.

i feel like it works universally. whatever you really believe, the last 6-12 minutes of your life are gonna make it so.

[Sinitron]

I hope I'll dream...

Will I dream, Dave?

[Sef]

no matter what though, i live by 3 principles.
i. try to be a decent person, and live by a moral code that makes sense
ii. accept the possibility of something else being out there, even if it isn't a religious interpretation of some sort of god, and respect it, and respect other people's beliefs
iii. don't ever claim to know how the universe works or what happens after life. because nobody actually knows their shit for sure.

[sev]

i agree with sev because he is a bitch and stole the words out of my mouth
also this topic gives me an uneasy feeling because of prior family loss but if you ever have a serious discussion with me on this topic the convo will be just as long as sev's post.

i don't know if anything can actually be that long but WHATEVER HELPS YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT !

[salutations]

what's going to happen is i am going to live forever and my underwater friends will make me queen of the sea and i will forever swim with the fishes and we will feast on human beings and you all will turn into fish poop.

[DrRumack]

o

[salutations]

fish











poop

[put]

I believe that after death we're all transported to an alternate dimension where an infinite orgy of all people that ever lived takes place.

P.S. Pascal's Wager is a gigantic load of bullshit, I can't believe someone who called himself a "philosopher" could propose it with a straight face

[99]

I don't think there is anything after death and that life is like a switch; it's either on or off.  However, the fact that death is so abrupt and permanent terrifies me and often sends my mind reeling when I think about its finality.  I feel that those who hold beliefs of afterlife or some sort of eternal spiritual energy must be a lot less anxious about such things.  The only reason why I don't believe those concepts is because I can't trick myself into believing something that lacks reason.  The fact that time seems to pass more and more quickly as I get older, does not help these anxieties but I feel it is better than lying to myself about the inevitable.

[tmk]

whenever I feel anxious about my inevitable demise, I find comfort in knowing that my gorgeous American teeth will remain intact hundreds of years after the electrical activity in my brain has ceased and my bones have corroded into dust

[Blordow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rty5l41_NbU
Here is a video of a what is a supposed multidimensional being channel through a man called Darryl Anka, discussing the concept of death. Some of you may not buy into it, but for the most part a lot of Bashar's messages are positive and have taught me a lot. It's all very interesting and requires an open mind.