GOBLIN

[rtil]

well your reasoning was that he is "just a kid" so that means he will become more popular, when there's been plenty of kids in the music industry with far more exposure than him who are pretty much gone now. and let's not pretend that just because you can write your own music you've got a ticket to success, talent is irrelevant in the music industry

[funzop]

Top 200 Album Sales (Top 3 Hip Hop/R&

Rank   Artist                        Album                                 This Week   Est. Total

3. Lonely                            Island Turtleneck & Chain     68,000       68,000
5. Tyler, the Creator              Goblin                                 45,000       46,000
6. Beastie Boys                     Hot Sauce Committee, Pt.     242,000     170,000

i was checking the top album sales and i see goblin hit number 5 spot after the first week(s?) & its a shame he didnt got much sales because i honestly would've expected he'd get way more than a milli but with all the mainstream exposure that tyler has, its pretty much just bad sales, he had(have?) his own mtv special, a couple of award show performances, tv performances, gettin constant coverage on every. single. site and big (hip hop) magazine(s) and gettin record deals from diddy AND jay z

then again, nobody buys music anymore \m/

well tyler does not make accessible music, and odd future arent all that mainstream at all really. we forget this because on the internet they have a big fanbase, but most of the world doesnt know about them, and most are pretty put off by odd future in general. based on beats alone, they dont make poppy or accessible music mostly (aside from frank oceans shit and radical which both use beats from popular songs and maybe left brains production on blackenedwhite). the beats are lo-fi, very distorted and synth-heavy, and full of layers of sound, while still being relatively simple. theyre not poppy beats with heavy basic 4/4 beat drums and a clap every now and then.
not even going into the lyrics tyler/ earl/ hodgy spit. you can hear shit like

She said "You rushing, you rabid son of a Labrador"
But I'm attracted to you like teenyboppers to Apple stores
The basement light is darkened and the switchblade is sharpened
Her name on my arm and her face on a two percent carton
See her face while you're fixing your breakfast
And know she's in my basement, objecting to sex with
Me murder spree, surges on with the next bitch
Tombstones read RIP cause it's pieces they rest in

and its clear that its going to take a LOT to make them popular without changing themselves. people will have to be in high-demand for this shit for it to be nearly as big as people like drake or cudi. they talk rape and killing frequently, reference satanic imagery, swear all the time, talk about hating gays/ women/ white people/ black people/ people, snorting coke etc.
and we both know they are just funny self-aware talented internet kids who like to skateboard and goof off and dont agree with a lot of that stuff (theyre all atheists who just want to piss off radical christians/ they have a lesbian woman in their group/ tyler is straight-edge/ etc) and tyler and earl use their music to vent frustration, but to people who dont understand context and dont do their research, it can be taken at face value. and frankly, to anyone with any kind of basic morals really, their music is offensive, and they know it, and they dont plan on changing. with the sound they have, its going to take a lot for them to be mainstream and really, up to now, unless people are into hip-hop, read pitchfork, or use the internet a lot, they probably dont know about odd future. a lot of people who see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78_loMbmKJ8

or yonkers are instantly turned off. they are unique and a somewhat difficult group, and their fanbase is rabid. to most, on the outside, theyre not very appealing.
tyler may have gotten 2 tv performances/a little spot from mtv/ some magazine interviews but hes only really had coverage on sandwitches and yonkers. i have a feeling the video for "she" will get the album sold more, as tyler is exceptionally good at making interesting videos, and seeing where yonkers took them, it should be interesting, as "she" is much poppier. but even if the sales do not boost, he sold about 50k for his first week or so, and its an album on an independent label, so i think thats pretty respectable.

but enough about odd future

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4l7bmTJ7j8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaE8cMt_8iU
^^^black flag sample what the fuckkkk

[W.A.S.I.M.]

besides hes just a kid anyways, if he has this much exposure at only 20 years old who knows how much hell have when hes older

good point, aaron carter sold millions of albums by the time he was 13 and look at him now

hahahaha

yea the whole "hes just a Kid PLEASE leave him ALONE" is ridiculous, 2011 might be the year for odd future..... but also probbly their last year unless they can still stay relevant cuz with just 1 or 2 singles isnt enough

pwned

my thoughts exactly, dude just flopped on this, plain n simple

well tyler does not make accessible music, and odd future arent all that mainstream at all really. we forget this because on the internet they have a big fanbase, but most of the world doesnt know about them,

well i dont know about you but odd future is pretty huge in the mainstream and im not talking about the internet alone, LOTS of countries in the world know about odd future, when an average rap artist/group stands up, probbly bob from across the street would know him, but if a group whos different and creative (equeals dopeness) like OF stands up, america took notice, and if u can make it in america then theres a big chance u can make it anywhere unless you fucking suck

and most are pretty put off by odd future in general. based on beats alone, they dont make poppy or accessible music mostly (aside from frank oceans shit and radical which both use beats from popular songs and maybe left brains production on blackenedwhite). the beats are lo-fi, very distorted and synth-heavy, and full of layers of sound, while still being relatively simple. theyre not poppy beats with heavy basic 4/4 beat drums and a clap every now and then.

i agree on this, even artists like shit cudi or drake have some (over the top produced) pop song in their album but because of what they SAY in the track, it doesn't get much recignition. if they talk about life situations in a poppy beat, that shit wont really sell nowadays but if they talk about love in that same beat that'll be huge sucess cuz

not even going into the lyrics tyler/ earl/ hodgy spit. you can hear shit like
She said "You rushing, you rabid son of a Labrador"
But I'm attracted to you like teenyboppers to Apple stores
The basement light is darkened and the switchblade is sharpened
Her name on my arm and her face on a two percent carton
See her face while you're fixing your breakfast
And know she's in my basement, objecting to sex with
Me murder spree, surges on with the next bitch
Tombstones read RIP cause it's pieces they rest in

ya the way the are is like a mix between the lyrics of doom and the sound/beats of neptunes

and its clear that its going to take a LOT to make them popular without changing themselves. people will have to be in high-demand for this shit for it to be nearly as big as people like drake or cudi. they talk rape and killing frequently, reference satanic imagery, swear all the time, talk about hating gays/ women/ white people/ black people/ people, snorting coke etc.
and we both know they are just funny self-aware talented internet kids who like to skateboard and goof off and dont agree with a lot of that stuff (theyre all atheists who just want to piss off radical christians/ they have a lesbian woman in their group/ tyler is straight-edge/ etc) and tyler and earl use their music to vent frustration, but to people who dont understand context and dont do their research, it can be taken at face value. and frankly, to anyone with any kind of basic morals really, their music is offensive, and they know it, and they dont plan on changing. with the sound they have, its going to take a lot for them to be mainstream and really, up to now, unless people are into hip-hop, read pitchfork, or use the internet a lot, they probably dont know about odd future. a lot of people who see

you dont have to be on the internet or read pitchfork or be in hip hop to know about odd future tbh, i heard about odd future last summer and i got it by word of mouth, somebody just saw that shit on youtube and pulled out his blackberry and just searched it and showed it to me immediatly, this wasn't no msn, no skype just face to face word of mouth and thats how alot of popular things are spread, shit like rebbeca black gets spread with words like "this is trash YOU MUST SEE this, this is popular and trash u MUST SEE THIS, this bitch is stupid you MUST SEE THIS"

or yonkers are instantly turned off. they are unique and a somewhat difficult group, and their fanbase is rabid. to most, on the outside, theyre not very appealing.
tyler may have gotten 2 tv performances/a little spot from mtv/ some magazine interviews but hes only really had coverage on sandwitches and yonkers. i have a feeling the video for "she" will get the album sold more, as tyler is exceptionally good at making interesting videos, and seeing where yonkers took them, it should be interesting, as "she" is much poppier. but even if the sales do not boost, he sold about 50k for his first week or so, and its an album on an independent label, so i think thats pretty respectable.

but c'mon son.... 50k... after all that exposure c'mon man, i know its an independent label and all but still, at least they didn't signed a deal with bad boy (im still suprised that label still exists...) i respect that they still stayed true to themselves and not alot of artists IN THE MAINSTREAM can do that, its cool that the mainstream came to tyler and not the other way around which was also the case of other rappers aswell (i.e. techn9ne)

but enough about odd future

Replying to GOBLIN  

[DrRumack]

that smiley is so underrated  

[slack]

yeah man

[funzop]

well i dont know about you but odd future is pretty huge in the mainstream and im not talking about the internet alone, LOTS of countries in the world know about odd future, when an average rap artist/group stands up, probbly bob from across the street would know him, but if a group whos different and creative (equeals dopeness) like OF stands up, america took notice, and if u can make it in america then theres a big chance u can make it anywhere unless you fucking suck

you dont have to be on the internet or read pitchfork or be in hip hop to know about odd future tbh, i heard about odd future last summer and i got it by word of mouth, somebody just saw that shit on youtube and pulled out his blackberry and just searched it and showed it to me immediatly, this wasn't no msn, no skype just face to face word of mouth and thats how alot of popular things are spread, shit like rebbeca black gets spread with words like "this is trash YOU MUST SEE this, this is popular and trash u MUST SEE THIS, this bitch is stupid you MUST SEE THIS"

im telling you now dude, theyre really not well known out here at all. when you talk about the word of mouth thing, thats true, but most people just focus on the controversial parts of their them, not on their music. and their videos are controversial.

the reason odd future have been blowing up in the past few months is yonkers. the yonkers video has upwards of 10 million views at this point and from what i have observed, the main reason isnt because of the music. people dont even give a shit about the music, really. its not like most people watch it and go "oh shit notice how every line contradicts itself in someway. this beat is so barebones and simple and the piano in the middle works so well. this video is super well done and the lighting is great and tyler seems really interesting. this is dope" its just mostly just "oh shit this is fuckin weird. is he eating a bug?? lol what the fuck this dude has problems. this is so weird. why does he say fuck a lot?... hey wtf bruno mars is good. wow this dude is scary lol!!!" people just are interested in them and show it off because its so "weird" and so they can have conversations on whether or not the earl video is real (ive heard this happen for real lmao)

at the risk of pissing off a whole bunch of people, im going to relate this to lady gaga; people just think the yonkers video is bizarre and out of the ordinary and intriguing and sort of shocking, and it doesnt have anything to do with their music. i feel like a lot of people dont really pay as much attention to lady gagas music and are mostly interested due to the fact that shes weird and wears meat and telephones and shows her vagina off sometimes, the same way i feel like a lot of people who are talking about ofwgkta are only interested because they have some videos of them bleeding and vomiting shit, and talk about killing cops and children.

on the other hand however, despite having some talent, lady gaga makes generally unimpressive and non-challenging pop music that someone like beyonce or gwen stefani could easily put out, while tyler makes homemade synth-heavy dark rap that is aggressive and often times confessional, which is not something anyone else even remotely popular is doing. the closest thing might be kanye turning around on his latest record and talking about how he knows hes an asshole/ a "mothafuckin monster", but tyler makes that look like baby shit, and has talked about his fantasies of getting revenge on a girl who rejected him by killing her and fucking her dead body, for fucks sake. its going to be VERY difficult to really become a household name, or even get some REAL exposure like that and unless someone is genuinely interested in the genre or reads a few internet blogs and review sites, they probably dont really know about them just yet.

but c'mon son.... 50k... after all that exposure c'mon man, i know its an independent label and all but still,

honestly, aside from fallon and mtvs bullshit awards and a few bbc performances, they havent really had all that much exposure not online

at least they didn't signed a deal with bad boy (im still suprised that label still exists...)

lmao word fuckin puff riding their dicks

i respect that they still stayed true to themselves and not alot of artists IN THE MAINSTREAM can do that, its cool that the mainstream came to tyler and not the other way around which was also the case of other rappers aswell (i.e. techn9ne)

yeah agreed

Replying to GOBLIN

who the fuck even cares about odd future anymore everyone knows theyre a gimmick act lmao get with the times "fuck steve harvey" haha what tryhard faggots

[Necronomitr0n]

(the jar is under the bed)

[W.A.S.I.M.]

you dont have to be on the internet or read pitchfork or be in hip hop to know about odd future tbh, i heard about odd future last summer and i got it by word of mouth, somebody just saw that shit on youtube and pulled out his blackberry and just searched it and showed it to me immediatly, this wasn't no msn, no skype just face to face word of mouth and thats how alot of popular things are spread, shit like rebbeca black gets spread with words like "this is trash YOU MUST SEE this, this is popular and trash u MUST SEE THIS, this bitch is stupid you MUST SEE THIS"
im telling you now dude, theyre really not well known out here at all. when you talk about the word of mouth thing, thats true, but most people just focus on the controversial parts of their them, not on their music. and their videos are controversial.

the reason odd future have been blowing up in the past few months is yonkers. the yonkers video has upwards of 10 million views at this point and from what i have observed, the main reason isnt because of the music. people dont even give a shit about the music, really. its not like most people watch it and go "oh shit notice how every line contradicts itself in someway. this beat is so barebones and simple and the piano in the middle works so well. this video is super well done and the lighting is great and tyler seems really interesting. this is dope" its just mostly just "oh shit this is fuckin weird. is he eating a bug?? lol what the fuck this dude has problems. this is so weird. why does he say fuck a lot?... hey wtf bruno mars is good. wow this dude is scary lol!!!" people just are interested in them and show it off because its so "weird" and so they can have conversations on whether or not the earl video is real (ive heard this happen for real lmao)

at the risk of pissing off a whole bunch of people, im going to relate this to lady gaga; people just think the yonkers video is bizarre and out of the ordinary and intriguing and sort of shocking, and it doesnt have anything to do with their music. i feel like a lot of people dont really pay as much attention to lady gagas music and are mostly interested due to the fact that shes weird and wears meat and telephones and shows her vagina off sometimes, the same way i feel like a lot of people who are talking about ofwgkta are only interested because they have some videos of them bleeding and vomiting shit, and talk about killing cops and children.
on the other hand however, despite having some talent, lady gaga makes generally unimpressive and non-challenging pop music that someone like beyonce or gwen stefani could easily put out, while tyler makes homemade synth-heavy dark rap that is aggressive and often times confessional, which is not something anyone else even remotely popular is doing. the closest thing might be kanye turning around on his latest record and talking about how he knows hes an asshole/ a "mothafuckin monster", but tyler makes that look like baby shit, and has talked about his fantasies of getting revenge on a girl who rejected him by killing her and fucking her dead body, for fucks sake. its going to be VERY difficult to really become a household name, or even get some REAL exposure like that and unless someone is genuinely interested in the genre or reads a few internet blogs and review sites, they probably dont really know about them just yet.

wow i cant front on that... i completly agree with every fuckin thing u just said right now haha

lmao word fuckin puff riding their dicks

yea seriously FUCK diddy, he killed so many careers like holy shit, diddy's a curse lmao

he killed the LOX cuz their album flopped and never reach commercial succes which is fucked up cuz with a huge popular label in that time you could've got some of that succes, black rob been arrested for so many times and is consedired a wun hit wonder, loon left the label, 112 left the label, New edition left the label, faith evans got caught with cocaine............. left the label(lmao), da brand flopped, my favourite badboy artist the mo E Ness has YET TO DROP A FUCKING ALBUM, babs too, biggie murdered, shyne was in jail for a decade and basicly diddy killed his fucking career.. shyne could've saved bad boy

but yea like i said earlier, its cool that tyler is "keepin it real" and by that i mean when he first came up he said he hated the world and whatever, he just hates alot of people and when jayz and diddy tried to sign odd future a contract they just said fuck that shit, i think the funniest thing i read was when gza send an email to odd future in the hopes he could work wit him, now from what i heard is that tyler just said "fuck off the bandwagon faggot" or at least something close to that.. lmao poor gza  

[redmongoose]

cool shit

[funzop]

yea seriously FUCK diddy, he killed so many careers like holy shit, diddy's a curse lmao

he killed the LOX cuz their album flopped and never reach commercial succes which is fucked up cuz with a huge popular label in that time you could've got some of that succes, black rob been arrested for so many times and is consedired a wun hit wonder, loon left the label, 112 left the label, New edition left the label, faith evans got caught with cocaine............. left the label(lmao), da brand flopped, my favourite badboy artist the mo E Ness has YET TO DROP A FUCKING ALBUM, babs too, biggie murdered, shyne was in jail for a decade and basicly diddy killed his fucking career.. shyne could've saved bad boy

word. diddys just bad news, and would probably try and control them or some shit. if they signed to bad boy, odd future would be over.

but yea like i said earlier, its cool that tyler is "keepin it real" and by that i mean when he first came up he said he hated the world and whatever, he just hates alot of people and when jayz and diddy tried to sign odd future a contract they just said fuck that shit, i think the funniest thing i read was when gza send an email to odd future in the hopes he could work wit him, now from what i heard is that tyler just said "fuck off the bandwagon faggot" or at least something close to that.. lmao poor gza

lmao i didnt hear about that gza thing. i know gza plugged him on twitter but not that email shit hahahha. i guess they reallyyy dont wanna do any outside collaborations at the moment, because most anyone would be fucking honored at the chance to work with gza, seriously.
im sort of disappointed about that too. tyler hopping on a track with gza sounds like it would be legendary

[W.A.S.I.M.]

it does but at the same time it does says something about broke ass gza wantin to be relative again, he got served but then again i might be wrong cuz thats just something that i heard from several people(!) see frank ASKED nas to do a track with him and nas himself was suprised and said yes, weeks later esco even says that he is gonna make an album soon because hes inspired by all the young artists coming up in the game like frank ocean, mac miller, yelawolf etc. which is cool

[funzop]

i really wanna hear what nas and frank put out

[lenko]

eminem (back when he was a)blonde b)funny and c)good so like uh 2000) got ridiculously big mainly due to being dark/honest/edgy so i'm sorta hoping the same thing will happen with odd future in the long run (if there even is a long run)

however he had a fair few pop hooks on his singles to back him up and lure people into his albums (which contained material that was more often than not, much more aggressive and tormented than his singles) - whilst yonkers is popular and works great as a single its like zop said, people are paying more attention to the video than the song. hopefully the 'she' video will work in the opposite way and bait more people into getting their album. whether they like the entire thing or not, its more exposure for them and more potential fans of course

[redmongoose]

when I was a kid, everybody I knew listened to eminem and I didn't get what the big deal was, I thought he was all right but not really something I would listen to extensively and honestly I think whatever he was trying to do probably backfired on him because all of the artists he tried to diss (moby being one of them) I ended up checking out and enjoying a lot more and as I'm sure people have noticed, techno is no longer something that nobody listens to  

[funzop]

eminems first 3 records (4 if you count infinite) are pretty golden imo
marshall mathers lp in particular is brilliant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfdivxFfCQA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdXdsF08SWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnslrTTXQSA

but as far as comparing them to tyler, i agree with lenko.
well see how the she video goes, but i think hype will leave ofwgkta for a while, which wont stop them of course. i imagine by the time earl comes back around and earlwolf is released, people will be interested again and they might really come out. i really dont know though.

[DrRumack]

i was recommending tyler/yonkers to this guy at school and he was like "yo this better not be some demonic shit" and i was like "what do you mean" and he was like "dawg i dont want to hear a guy rappin about murder and killin himself and shit"

i didnt have the heart to tell him the ending of the yonkers video

[redmongoose]

I have no respect for anybody that can't handle listening to a song about murder like they think they are going to turn into a murderer if they do it.  That demonic shit is getting hard to find, especially nowadays.

[W.A.S.I.M.]

taloyr gang or eat out precious

[funzop]

she

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFNaFeIm4bU

whilst yonkers is popular and works great as a single its like zop said, people are paying more attention to the video than the song. hopefully the 'she' video will work in the opposite way and bait more people into getting their album.

doubt this

still fantastic though

[W.A.S.I.M.]

i was expectin a bit better music video but its still nice