very intellectual movie discussion

[Philip K Dick]

Prelude: Taylor bitches at me about how only depressing movies with bad endings are good and then lists out his list of movies he wants to watch. Edited for maximum pwnage.

((2:56:07 AM) Taylor Bortner: a serious man
pi
dr. strangelove
full metal jacket
the wrestler
the king's speech
inland empire
the elephant man
(2:56:12 AM) Taylor Bortner: not in that particular order
(2:57:30 AM) mastahlg: oh
(2:57:31 AM) mastahlg: my list is
(2:57:32 AM) Taylor Bortner: oh yeah and blue velvet
(2:57:44 AM) mastahlg: critically acclaimed drama
critically acclaimed drama
critically acclaimed drama
critically acclaimed drama
critically acclaimed drama
critically acclaimed drama
critically acclaimed drama
critically acclaimed drama

(2:57:57 AM) mastahlg: david lynch film
(2:58:00 AM) mastahlg: critically acclaimed drama
critically acclaimed drama
critically acclaimed drama
critically acclaimed drama
(2:58:21 AM) mastahlg: wait
(2:58:22 AM) mastahlg: hold on
(2:58:23 AM) mastahlg: i think
(2:58:25 AM) mastahlg: im noticing
(2:58:27 AM) mastahlg: a pattern here
(2:58:42 AM) Taylor Bortner: actuall
(2:58:43 AM) Taylor Bortner: y
(2:58:51 AM) Taylor Bortner: the funny thing about my list is that most of them are comedies
(2:58:54 AM) Taylor Bortner: a serious man
(2:59:01 AM) Taylor Bortner: dr. strangelove
(2:59:03 AM) Taylor Bortner: oh
(2:59:04 AM) Taylor Bortner: wait
(2:59:06 AM) Taylor Bortner: that's only two
(2:59:06 AM) Taylor Bortner: lmao
(2:59:21 AM) mastahlg: and theyre both basically dramas

BLAH BLAH BLAH OK SUBJECT CHANGES TO 2001 A SPACE ODDYSEY

(3:14:38 AM) Taylor Bortner: 2001 is so great i don't know how you don't like it
(3:17:43 AM) Taylor Bortner: a scanner darkly isn't like
(3:17:46 AM) mastahlg: because it has an aggravatingly sluggish pace, a stupid premise that takes forever to get the fucking point across and also the allegory for the monolith and the baby and shit are ambiguous as shit and never explained or even alluded to and also the dialogue is uninteresting
(3:17:46 AM) Taylor Bortner: a classic or anything
(3:18:01 AM) Taylor Bortner: but it's good
(3:19:04 AM) mastahlg: basically 2001 is what you get when you combine a retarded and unexplained metaphor with a garden snail
(3:19:16 AM) Taylor Bortner: i dunno the pace never bugged me
(3:19:40 AM) Taylor Bortner: i hear that from people "it was boring" but i was just sort of captivated the whole time
(3:19:50 AM) Taylor Bortner: by how beautiful it was
(3:20:01 AM) mastahlg: how much heroin did you shoot up
(3:20:06 AM) mastahlg: before you watched it
(3:20:11 AM) mastahlg: in order to find it interesting
(3:20:27 AM) Taylor Bortner: i dunno i guess some people can't appreciate beauty!!
(3:20:59 AM) Taylor Bortner: like the 20 minutes of ships flying around with that music
(3:21:07 AM) mastahlg: oh yeah cause i forgot that beauty involved really slow panning of the camera and obnoxiously long shots of stuff that doesnt matter and isnt relevaqnt to the already stupid enough plot
(3:21:11 AM) Taylor Bortner: it's fairly overdone yeah but that's what's great about it
(3:21:37 AM) Taylor Bortner: it doesn't give a fuck if you're bored it wants to show a fuckin spaceship and how it works
(3:21:46 AM) mastahlg: why
(3:22:03 AM) Taylor Bortner: it's all in order to show the evolution of man
(3:22:07 AM) mastahlg: if i wanted to know that i wouldnt be watching a movie i would read a fucking manual of spaceships
(3:22:27 AM) Taylor Bortner: they went from being these ape creatures to creating intricately designed space craft and leaving the atmosphere
(3:22:52 AM) Taylor Bortner: etc
(3:23:01 AM) mastahlg: wow we've come a long way ok point proven by wasting 20 minutes of footage
(3:23:19 AM) Taylor Bortner: it's not wasted though it's a cool segment
(3:23:27 AM) mastahlg: yeah cause its artistic anfd stuff
(3:23:34 AM) Taylor Bortner: another thing is
(3:23:35 AM) Taylor Bortner: like
(3:23:45 AM) Taylor Bortner: how is it wasting 20 minutes of footage
(3:23:53 AM) Taylor Bortner: if you're watching a movie why does it have to rush
(3:24:01 AM) mastahlg: dude
(3:24:03 AM) mastahlg: theres aa
(3:24:07 AM) mastahlg: difference between rushing
(3:24:12 AM) Taylor Bortner: i mena obviously if there were no fuckin point
(3:24:14 AM) Taylor Bortner: i would understand
(3:24:37 AM) Taylor Bortner: if it just went on and on and then nothing happened i'd be like
(3:24:38 AM) Taylor Bortner: alright
(3:24:43 AM) Taylor Bortner: that was kinda dumb
(3:24:43 AM) mastahlg: theres a difference between rushing and driving a segway to vegas
(3:24:46 AM) mastahlg: from here
(3:24:47 AM) mastahlg: if you
(3:24:49 AM) mastahlg: catch my drift
(3:27:13 AM) mastahlg: im all for GOOD allegory with an actual cultural/moral point that is relevant by todays standards but not when im watching a scene that drags on to unneccesary lengths for the purpose of artistic merit and bores the fuck out of me and isnt entertaining
(3:28:33 AM) Taylor Bortner: it wasn't really even for artistic merit, it was in order to explain the point of the movie
(3:28:36 AM) Taylor Bortner: or
(3:28:37 AM) Taylor Bortner: the theme
(3:28:39 AM) Taylor Bortner: of evolution
(3:28:43 AM) Taylor Bortner: it was in order to convey that
(3:28:48 AM) Taylor Bortner: but the fact that it does that
(3:28:57 AM) Taylor Bortner: AND is well shot/artistically done
(3:28:57 AM) Taylor Bortner: makes it
(3:28:59 AM) Taylor Bortner: that much better
(3:29:20 AM) Taylor Bortner: there is no scene in 2001 that is irrelevant to the rest of the movie
(3:29:22 AM) Taylor Bortner: and
(3:29:30 AM) Taylor Bortner: the movie itself is relevant to modern times
(3:30:32 AM) mastahlg: so why couldnt kubrick make the prologue scene with the monkeys 4 or 5 minutes instead of fucking 20
(3:30:38 AM) mastahlg: and yes
(3:31:05 AM) mastahlg: pointless flashing lights and trippy effects for another really entertaining 20 minutes is definitely relevant to the movie
(3:31:25 AM) Taylor Bortner: it is
(3:32:08 AM) Taylor Bortner: relevant and anyway even if it wasn't
(3:32:15 AM) Taylor Bortner: it gives the movie such a great mood
(3:32:18 AM) mastahlg: no i think its more like kubrick turning to the producers and saying "well we're doing an art piece so yeah i need more screen time to put pointless things in there"
(3:32:28 AM) Taylor Bortner: like even before i thought i understood the film at all i just loved the atmosphere nad mood
(3:33:52 AM) mastahlg: if 2001 had an actually good or deep message it would be easy enough to convey in 2 hours let alone 3
(3:34:11 AM) Taylor Bortner: kubrick wanted to make it vague
(3:34:15 AM) Taylor Bortner: the book is less vague
(3:34:26 AM) Taylor Bortner: if you want to know the point of the film then read the book
(3:34:50 AM) mastahlg: why
(3:34:51 AM) Taylor Bortner: he made it vague and shot it the way he did because it was his style and his artistic vision
(3:34:53 AM) mastahlg: why shouldnt
(3:34:56 AM) mastahlg: i be able to know the meaning
(3:35:00 AM) mastahlg: of a movie
(3:35:05 AM) mastahlg: by just fucking watching
(3:35:06 AM) mastahlg: the movire
(3:35:11 AM) Taylor Bortner: i've never read the book and i know the meaning of the movie
(3:35:23 AM) mastahlg: well thank god for wikipedia
(3:35:31 AM) Taylor Bortner: wikipedia doesn't like
(3:35:38 AM) Taylor Bortner: tell you interpretations of the film lmao
(3:35:42 AM) Taylor Bortner: it's like
(3:35:44 AM) Taylor Bortner: hella obviou
(3:35:45 AM) Taylor Bortner: s
(3:35:45 AM) mastahlg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space...#Interpretation
(3:35:59 AM) Taylor Bortner: oh
(3:36:02 AM) Taylor Bortner: i didn;t know that
(3:36:08 AM) Taylor Bortner: BECAUSE I'VE NEVER READ THIS ARTICLE
(3:36:13 AM) mastahlg: actually
(3:36:14 AM) mastahlg: you know what
(3:36:18 AM) mastahlg: theres
(3:36:19 AM) mastahlg: an entire fucking
(3:36:21 AM) mastahlg: sub article
(3:36:22 AM) mastahlg: about it
(3:36:25 AM) mastahlg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretatio...A_Space_Odyssey
(3:36:28 AM) Taylor Bortner: yeah i saw
(3:36:49 AM) mastahlg: being open to interpretation is a lame copout
(3:36:53 AM) mastahlg: soryr
(3:37:00 AM) mastahlg: but
(3:37:23 AM) mastahlg: ur gay and i win lol
(3:37:29 AM) mastahlg: pwn
(3:38:11 AM) mastahlg: for real though that movie blows but i understand if you like it
(3:38:34 AM) Taylor Bortner: rwead the fuckin
(3:38:38 AM) mastahlg: i mean i guess some people like not entertaining bullshit
(3:38:48 AM) Taylor Bortner: "openness to interpretation"
(3:38:51 AM) Taylor Bortner: section
(3:39:38 AM) mastahlg: alright i just did and it pretty much confirms that he just used it as an excuse and a copout so he didt have to explain anything
(3:39:45 AM) Taylor Bortner: lmao
(3:39:51 AM) Taylor Bortner: dude you didn't even watch the whole thing
(3:40:10 AM) Taylor Bortner: you fast forwarded
(3:40:22 AM) mastahlg: thats because i would be 80 years old by the time i was done if i watched it all the way through
(3:40:32 AM) Taylor Bortner: ok
(3:40:35 AM) Taylor Bortner: i did laugh at that
(3:40:39 AM) Taylor Bortner: but my point still remains
(3:41:18 AM) mastahlg: ive seen enough of it to judge it
(3:41:54 AM) mastahlg: i already admitted your victory cant you be satisfied with that
(3:43:36 AM) mastahlg: i will give you an example
(3:43:50 AM) mastahlg: of a movie that uses the "open to interpretation" card properly
(3:43:55 AM) mastahlg: pan's labyrinth
(3:44:24 AM) mastahlg: inception too
(3:44:47 AM) mastahlg: instead of leaving the whole fucking point of the movie in the viewers hands
(3:44:55 AM) mastahlg: both of these movies
(3:45:03 AM) mastahlg: focus on one important plot detail
(3:45:46 AM) mastahlg: that serves to intrigue the viewer and provoke discussion about the ending of each respective movie
(3:45:53 AM) mastahlg: as opposed to
(3:46:24 AM) mastahlg: HOLY SHIT THERES LIKE  A BABY IN SPACE DUDE OH MANTHIS IS SO DEEP
(3:47:21 AM) mastahlg: i guess you just cant handle the pwn

ok its irrelevant after that

[Philip K Dick]

also lmao @ this

(4:26:37 AM) Taylor Bortner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiIroiCvZ0
(4:26:48 AM) mastahlg: excellent retort my good man
(4:27:08 AM) mastahlg: i like how
(4:27:13 AM) mastahlg: he doesnt give any reasons
(4:27:29 AM) mastahlg: and also how he's an idiot
(4:27:46 AM) Taylor Bortner: i liked a comment someone posted
(4:28:05 AM) Taylor Bortner: "when david lynch tells you to get real, that's a really bad sign"
(4:28:33 AM) mastahlg: yeah
(4:28:34 AM) Taylor Bortner: anyway he's not an idiot
(4:28:37 AM) mastahlg: but i dont think thats
(4:28:41 AM) mastahlg: because his films are surreal
(4:28:47 AM) mastahlg: its cause hes mentally retarded
(4:28:54 AM) Taylor Bortner: lmao
(4:28:56 AM) Taylor Bortner: are you lik
(4:28:56 AM) Taylor Bortner: e
(4:29:00 AM) Taylor Bortner: trying to be
(4:29:14 AM) mastahlg: yes
(4:29:24 AM) mastahlg: im trying to be
(4:29:27 AM) mastahlg: but alas
(4:29:31 AM) mastahlg: to be or not to be
(4:29:34 AM) mastahlg: that is the question

[CloudEater]

oh! ..yea, that happened to me this one time

[emanhattan]

i enjoyed reading this a lot

[rtil]

you two would make a great old couple

[emanhattan]

lmfao

[CVG]

I just want to know what the hell was the part about with the old man eating a steak and then becoming an alien baby fetus thing.

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