Do you like starcraft 2?
carlos?
nope.avi
nah
wut
actually i might buy it next week because i'm an rts faggot
tell me if you do because i just dont want to be the first one
haha ok
Quote from: Billytell me if you do because i just dont want to be the first one
I FUCKING LOVE IT!!!
However, there's a little bug... All about it and a fix here. (http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/07/28/blizzard-confirms-starcraft-ii-overheating-bug.aspx)
The single player campaign is fucking great!
i'm surprised they haven't released a patch for it. that's like a 2kb fix
if your video card fries because the framerate of the menu isn't capped, it's your fault your cooling sucks
yeah i'm a little surprised that the menu is actually frying people's video cards. stock coolers are shit though, but even so a video card should automatically turn itself off if it reaches a certain temp
Me and Fuzz are gonna be rts faggots together rtil, join us.
Picked up my copy the 27th, and I don't regret it. Like Fuzz said the campaign is great and offers choice in story line like which battles you fight and who you make friends with. The classes are alot more balanced now, so Protoss can't queef all over Zerg, Terran aren't just good for their tanks, and Zerg can't just rush. Plus the editor is fun. Its like the Warcraft 3 editor but much more polished and w/ some more features. What sucks is Battle.net's way of distributing and playing maps. The most popular maps (which are only like a select 5) get played the most and the rest are on a list to be played or something. I don't get it.
Also about the video card thing, I'm running it with almost all the settings on medium and i still get some lag. I dunno if my vid card is any good, buts its a NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GS.
I got it today and i've been having lots of fun, it will make you laugh/cry/meeple etc.
also
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heh
my computer (as you know) is too slow for something like this, but I want to play sooooo bad
downloading it onto my computer right now
ABOUT: 9 HOURS LEFT
Quote from: aetherMe and Fuzz are gonna be rts faggots together rtil, join us.
Picked up my copy the 27th, and I don't regret it. Like Fuzz said the campaign is great and offers choice in story line like which battles you fight and who you make friends with. The classes are alot more balanced now, so Protoss can't queef all over Zerg, Terran aren't just good for their tanks, and Zerg can't just rush. Plus the editor is fun. Its like the Warcraft 3 editor but much more polished and w/ some more features. What sucks is Battle.net's way of distributing and playing maps. The most popular maps (which are only like a select 5) get played the most and the rest are on a list to be played or something. I don't get it.
Also about the video card thing, I'm running it with almost all the settings on medium and i still get some lag. I dunno if my vid card is any good, buts its a NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GS.
can't wait to play it with you guys. i love rts games but i'm actually not that good at them. i've been playing CoH for the last 2 years and that game is really complicated, so hopefully my practice with that will pay off somehow in sc2. i never played sc1 tbh.
your card is high-end, but is about 2 years old now i think. my new card is coming soon, ati radeon hd 4850. i'm hoping it doubles the performance of my current hd 3850
buying this asap
I recommend you guys get it. Its the same price as a new xbox game (60 bucks) but I think its well worth it. I picked up the Starcraft Battlechest a few years ago which included the first game and the expansion pack which came out in 98'-99. Both great games and I also recommend you get if you want practice/want in on the story.
I wouldn't worry about not being too good at rts games rtil. sure there are some people who absolutely wreck shit with a specific race, but I'm not good either so I think most of us will be balanced. What I am good at I think is the map editor, which I did a course on along with flash animation/web design over the summer a few years back, so I can make maps that are fun
That's a point actually, i can't play with any of you fine American gents because the battle.net limits me to just play in europe.
Battle.net more like Faggot.net
i got dawn of war 2 and the expansion for 7.50 each when they were on sale so i might just play them instead since i haven't even tried them.
Quote from: Ashingtonbattle.net limits me to just play in europe.
wow that's gay
is this temporary
Quote from: rtilQuote from: Ashingtonbattle.net limits me to just play in europe.
wow that's gay
is this temporary
I doubt it, they seem to be taking the same approach as WoW (specific regions excluded for themselves) which means if i wanted to play Starcraft 2 against American players i would have to fork out for a digital copy specifically set for the NA region. Fucking rediculous. I wouldn't be suprised if they do this for Diablo 3 when it comes out.
Also we're overdue for a CoH game.
i'll probably hop on CoH tonight. i think you're 8 hours ahead of me, so when i start playing it will be like 6 in the morning your time (gmt -8)
I will see you on the frontlines then.
Quote from: rtilQuote from: Ashingtonbattle.net limits me to just play in europe.
wow that's gay
is this temporary
I seem to remember hearing about that being fixed in der futuer. But no dice right now
I need more friends on there. If you don't just link your facebook to Bnet, add me as TownFunk
enjoy your graphics card exploding from being on the main menu rofl
Quote from: Taokakaenjoy your graphics card exploding from being on the main menu rofl
We already discussed and resolved this problem. Good bye.
Quote from: Taokakaenjoy your graphics card exploding from being on the main menu rofl
Nothing a quick patch from Blizzard and a few clicks in the options menu didn't fix. The menu runs fine for me now, smooth as J_Seeds bottom (Not very smooth as I'm sure all of you are aware. )
Quote from: FuzzQuote from: Taokakaenjoy your graphics card exploding from being on the main menu rofl
We already discussed and resolved this problem. Good bye.
enjoy playing a shitty game lol
Quote from: TaokakaQuote from: FuzzQuote from: Taokakaenjoy your graphics card exploding from being on the main menu rofl
We already discussed and resolved this problem. Good bye.
enjoy playing a shitty game lol
I do very much!
i'm looking forward to it. i haven't played an rts besides coh in a while
i am disappointed in the lack of LAN support
but i got it anyway
i didn't get it because $60
Quote from: Billyi didn't get it because $60
But its soooooooo worth it!
im using my brothers account name which is called Donkbot i think add that
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he mad
also w0w that looks pretty good actually
The Starcraft team would like to thank
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link (http://pc.ign.com/articles/111/1110107p1.html)
tried it last night. got through some of the campaign, played a few rounds with j. i really like it so far. i've only played as the terran and the protoss (once). here's some screens of how it looks on full gfx @ 1920x1080. i can't seem to find an option to enable AA though.
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NO. ITS ANOTHER POLISHED SHIT THAT THEY SHOVE DOWN OUR TELEVISION-MINDED THROATS
FUCK UFF
Damn, I wish my computer could run it on those settings. Gorgeous...
Void rays.
Quote from: ZekeyVoid rays.
Marines.
i got pwned by void rays today cuz i didn't have any marines ;'(
but then i played a 1v1 terran that lasted a reeeeeeeeeeeeally long time but i eventually won because i denied him any expansions
I won a Terran vs. Terran just because I had a base on an Island with 2 SCVs, a command center, 4 Vikings, and a Starport. I used guerrilla tactics and just kept harassing this guy until eventually I destroyed everything he had. He couldn't get his forces to my vikings in time because his base was too compact. It was epic in the most literal sense.
vikings are kinda flimsy. i'm surprised he couldn't kill only 4 of them
i never played starcraft 1
will i be missing out on much?
i never played it either, so sc2 is like playing a new rts to me. so i'm not really sure what you mean. i've been told if you have played sc1 that it's essentially the same game with better graphics.
Quote from: rtilvikings are kinda flimsy. i'm surprised he couldn't kill only 4 of them
My guys were too fast. I'd attack, destroy something, and then leave before any of his forces could even get to me. Eventually he split his army to cover more of his base, and by that time my economy recovered enough that I was able to make more vikings to wipe him out.
The games aren't exactly the same... just very similar. The only thing you'll really miss out on is the story. SC1's campaign was hard as balls.
dark templers are the best fuckin thing ever if you play protoss
thor+banshee when you play marine
damn the campaign is amazing
+it doesn't lag on my pc when i set the gfx to low
if there's any europeans playing this game on here (ashington and..?) add me: thepsi43@live.com
here's my two insanely long terran replays
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...201v1.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/177E3s_long%201v1.SC2Replay)
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...erran.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/177E8c_long%202v2%20all%20terran.SC2Replay)
I didn't know you could just copy replays!!! I don't think I have that one from the Beta anymore tho...
they're in my docs > starcraft ii > accounts > random number > random jumble of letters > replays > multiplayer
That sounds like a bitch to find... You really missed out on the 3v3v3v3 tho. My team pretty much got raped, but since it was on a custom map, it was kind of broken. My friends and I ended up using nukes from down in this trench you're not supposed to be able to go in. Hard to explain without actually seeing it. It lasted for an hour and a half.
i want to just finish the campaign asap now so i can focus on multiplayer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAvZlonNTDg
holy moly
Saw that a few months ago. I forgot all about it! Looks so bad ass!
won 5 games in gold league in a row
damn zerg are good
Quote from: railgunwon 5 games in gold league in a row
damn zerg are good
Congrats! I was placed in platinum league for 1v1 somehow. I haven't played a game since...
all the teams are balanced, however it is easier to win playing as protoss or zerg because the game only teaches you how to play terran. although playing as terran you should have learned how to counter different zerg units if you play the single player mode. but that still doesn't prepare you for the kind of tactics human players will do
I tend to watch THIS GUYS (http://www.youtube.com/user/HuskyStarcraft) commentaries on Pro games. Some of the stuff they do is just really cool. The commentator is kinda douchey, but sometimes its fun to listen to him.
starcraft commentating is hilarious. i don't really get the excitement behind it. i guess you can learn something from the players but it's much more interesting to actually play the game
here's two replays from today
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...otoss.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/819Nu0_good%20protoss.SC2Replay) - a quick 1v1 protoss vs protoss. i was able to scout him early
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...20win.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/27C6k_long%20terran%20win.SC2Replay) - an hour long 1v1 protoss vs terran, i'm the terran. he probably could have beat me mid-game with all those void rays and carriers, but when i switched my build to mass marine he kept playing the same strategy over and over. you'll see his carriers get denied constantly in the 2nd half of the game. it took forever but i finally took him down bit by bit
my quick games are usually around 3 minutes long and i win
I've gotta say, Teched marines are SO badass. Seriously. BAD ASS!
I do not seem to be able to watch the replays :S
Quote from: FuzzI've gotta say, Teched marines are SO badass. Seriously. BAD ASS!
they had +3 weapons, +1 armor, stimpack and to top it off i had medivacs following them around by the end of the game. protoss carriers are bad at handling multiple targets. their little ships got wiped out quickly, and then the marines would turn on the carriers
Quote from: AshingtonI do not seem to be able to watch the replays :S
is there an error when you try to play them in game? don't tell me blizzard made replays region restricted too
Quote from: rtilQuote from: FuzzI've gotta say, Teched marines are SO badass. Seriously. BAD ASS!
they had +3 weapons, +1 armor, stimpack and to top it off i had medivacs following them around by the end of the game. protoss carriers are bad at handling multiple targets. their little ships got wiped out quickly, and then the marines would turn on the carriers
Sweet! I didn't even watch the replay!
Quote from: rtilQuote from: AshingtonI do not seem to be able to watch the replays :S
is there an error when you try to play them in game? don't tell me blizzard made replays region restricted too
i was able to watch it, so nope
Yeah i got them to work now i was just going about it the wrong way, i'll watch them later.
who likes orange soda
who needs orange soda when you got orange julius
no that is WRONG systech
clearly you have never experienced the divine power of an orange julius
fuck starcraft 2, starcraft 1 is awesome enough!
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...J_WAT.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/7655jJ_WAT.SC2Replay)
I played an online game today for the first time, not a bad attempt, although admittedly i pretty much winged this one just to get my German ally to stop playing 50 questions.
Quote from: Ashingtonhttp://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...J_WAT.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/7655jJ_WAT.SC2Replay)
I played an online game today for the first time, not a bad attempt, although admittedly i pretty much winged this one just to get my German ally to stop playing 50 questions.
you could have walked right in to both bases with your blob of marines so much earlier in the game and completely decimated them - even moreso if you had had a medivac to heal after hitting 1 of them. the enemy terran and protoss were mostly playing defensive and not expanding fast enough. mass banshees and mass void rays with no support units.. kind of a stupid strategy for a team. they were pretty much doomed from the beginning. your ally was also destroying everyone in income - at any given time in the game he was mining more than twice as many minerals as anyone else. i'm surprised he didn't have a larger army.
anyway, i played my ranked matches tonight and went 4 for 5 - all protoss 1v1.
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now i'm going to get my ass kicked by good players until i get knocked back to a league i belong in. although i did play a high tier zerg in my last game and beat him after having to play defensively for a really long time. those early zerg rushes are a little nerve racking. here's the 4 replays of my wins (you don't want to see my loss, it's boring. i tried an early zealot rush which completely failed. stupid game)
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...otoss.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/24sL7_first%20ranked%20game%20win%20protoss.SC2Replay) - 1st one (vs terran). this guy didn't really expand his economy much and wasn't ready for the void rays. a pretty easy win
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...0zerg.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/862K9z_tricky%20zerg.SC2Replay) - (vs zerg) this guy snuck to a high yield expansion at some point after destroying his base, but i eventually scouted him and he didn't last long after that
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...82%29.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/8623Bi_Metalopolis%20%282%29.SC2Replay) - (vs terran) after i watched the replay i realized he had 2 expansions i didn't know about. still he gg's after i go in with immortals after defending several marine and marauder charges. those things are killers
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...drant.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/821mC9_Delta%20Quadrant.SC2Replay) - me vs the high tier zerg player. probably the best game out of the 4. if you watch any of them watch this one. this guy was a good zerg player. i'm surprised i beat him
they need to make a replica of the zerg roach
i love those hobbly little blokes
also when they're fully upgraded they are hilarious grief units. same for infestors.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...i_Heh.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/1376Qi_Heh.SC2Replay)
Another game, think i handled this one alot better.
I see what you mean looking back at the game, but i prefer to have a pretty hube mob before i attempt any offensives, and to have some men in defense in the event the attack goes sour. This is pretty much just something that was hammered into me after getting constantly rushed in practice skirmishes on Very Hard/Insane. I'll work on it though like i need to work on getting more detector/anti air into my strategy.
I thought you handled yourself quite well on those Protoss games, although that high yield zerg one i think you were lucky, those void rays pretty much saved you, and i would've kept them just a tiny bit longer in the even he sent another quick wave before going over to harass. Also that chrono enhancement the protoss have could've been used alot more in my opinion, every little boost helps.
Also here's my first 1vs1 match
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...q_Wow.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/1172Tq_Wow.SC2Replay)
I kind of felt sorry for the guy i was more or less toying with him by the end of it.
and another, probably the most light hearted match i've ever had
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...Funny.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/146q7V_Funny.SC2Replay)
And yet another match, this one's a 4v4, i probably wont do these again, it kind of felt like a long dull slogging match.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...Power.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/216kH0_Lasting%20Power.SC2Replay)
Quote from: AshingtonI thought you handled yourself quite well on those Protoss games, although that high yield zerg one i think you were lucky, those void rays pretty much saved you, and i would've kept them just a tiny bit longer in the even he sent another quick wave before going over to harass. Also that chrono enhancement the protoss have could've been used alot more in my opinion, every little boost helps.
yeah, he sent a lot of roaches and i didn't have the ground force for it. but since he didn't send anything ground-to-air or anti-air and literally never changed his build, i massed void rays because they were invincible to his attacks.
and i guess you didn't notice, but i abuse chrono boost constantly. sometimes i let the nexus build up energy before using it so i can do it multiple times at once though.
One of the many perks of working at GameStop...
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i'm more interested in what's in the newegg box
Quote from: Zekeyinfestors.
these units are hardly ever used in multiplayer. they must be expensive units or hard to tech up to, because if i played zerg that's one of the first things i'd go for
well i got a good taste of the platinum leagues today going 3-5. my rank increased since i'm at the bottom of the ladder right now, but i doubt i will last very long if i keep up a track record like that.
gonna get my region changed to north america today or tomorrow
cooleo!
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...7aaaw.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/603Jr_d%27aaaw.SC2Replay)
This was my last placement for 2v2, turned into a 1v1 though after two players had problems, but now im in the silver league for 2v2 so that's not too bad i guess
i wish i was in silver league. i am getting my ass kicked in platinum. i'm 4-8 now. i usually lose to cheese builds. protoss cannon/proxy pylon rush, zerg muta rush, cloaked banshee rush, etc. i just can't compete with some of these players' macro
starcraft sucks dude
when does worms come out
6 days
im playing league of legends which is the game that 10000 starcraft players play when the starcraft servers are down. :/
I just went 3 and 0 in 2v2 with a friend of mine. We're rocking the copper league so hard!
EDIT: What's in that box is no business of yours!
i can't wait to get kicked out of platinum. went 1-8 tonight
Ok, got my acc transfered to US.
Quote from: railgunOk, got my acc transfered to US.
how
Quote from: creamcornQuote from: railgunOk, got my acc transfered to US.
how
call the bnet support and ask them to do it. They will delete your EU account and give you a new US one.
Quote from: railgunQuote from: creamcornQuote from: railgunOk, got my acc transfered to US.
how
call the bnet support and ask them to do it. They will delete your EU account and give you a new US one.
cant i get a US account from the get-go
if you buy a copy of sc2 from the US then you probably could
starcraft 2
more like
FUCKIN'DANTEcraft 2
here's a good protoss build versus 6pool/zerg rush
build 4 probes, mine
build a pylon by the gate, scout
build forge
build pylon at the other side of the gate
build 2 cannons behind each pylon
make the entrance small with a gateway to deny the zerglings entry to your mineral line
add a couple zealots/stalkers/void rays, you're pretty much set
screw activision, Starcraft 1 is the shit
what exactly did activision do to starcraft 2?
I think people think they made blizzard split SC2 into 3 separate games for each race. IDK, they didn't do anything.
pretty sure that was blizzard's idea, as well as the region thing.
it's not like blizzard hasn't made stupid decisions before (realid)
people cant handle the fact that sometimes companies have to screw them over a bit to ensure they dont get screwed over a bunch.
they especially cant handle it when its a company they've loved since childhood.
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Quote from: Zekeypeople cant handle the fact that sometimes companies have to screw them over a bit to ensure they dont get screwed over a bunch.
an intelligent way to handle the situation would have been to let each user choose which regions he or she wants to play in, instead of restricting them to one region. if the fans hadn't said anything, australians would have been stuck playing with southern asians. it was a stupid idea
just played 6 games with rtil, 2v2, me and him against others of course.
we won 2 of those lmfao
Quote from: railgunjust played 6 games with rtil, 2v2, me and him against others of course.
we won 2 of those lmfao
You boys need to be playing with me!
am i on your friends list?
put this together based on what i've found online. counters for all units
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Au...VRTXc&hl=en (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Au0cW2q_1kS3dDl5T05hUk1GV1BKYnhsaGJ2cWVRTXc&hl=en)
Quote from: rtilput this together based on what i've found online. counters for all units
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Au...VRTXc&hl=en (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Au0cW2q_1kS3dDl5T05hUk1GV1BKYnhsaGJ2cWVRTXc&hl=en)
look, i made a cake chart out of the protoss spread sheet for viewing pleasure:
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i'm done playing random for now. the last 4 times i've picked random i've gotten zerg. i end up with a ton of resources lying around and hardly enough larvae to spend it on. i guess i need to build more hatcheries.
i pretty much took a complete beating today in 1v1 and 2v2, however my last 2 games as protoss turned out really well - especially the last one, in which my enemy was favored. but, of course, i didn't get any points for winning. i thought it was because i was being moved into a different ladder, but i got some points in my first game earlier today. but none since. i just don't get how the ladder system works anymore, i think it's broken. i can't wait until it's reset and they fix whatever is wrong with it.
anyway, here are my two protoss replays.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...alone.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/119O1x_protoss%20alone.SC2Replay) - 2v2. my terran ally pretty much gets wiped out and i have to finish them off on my own. zerg player tries annoying mutalisk cheese at the end, kind of stupid
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...otoss.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/4114fJ_good%201v1%20protoss.SC2Replay) - 1v1 vs a favored terran. he had a lot of tricks up his sleeve but fortunately i was able to scout and was ready for him. a good challenging game
Quote from: rtili'm done playing random for now. the last 4 times i've picked random i've gotten zerg. i end up with a ton of resources lying around and hardly enough larvae to spend it on. i guess i need to build more hatcheries.
duuuuude, you have to build these things that you can train in your hatchery the ugly fat motherfucker that can attack air units. Costs 150 minerals, you can build it after you built the pool. That thing has an ability that you can use on your hatchery, gives it +4 larves i think (which you can use once). But you can use that ability more than once, so you can pile up larves all you want, i had 13 larves at one point, and that on one hatchery.
you're talking about queens
i know about the ability, but even with a queen i have a lot of excess resources as the game progresses. i tried a game with an extra hatchery i used only for unit building and it helped a little. and i had 1 queen per hatchery
Yea, rtil I'm on your list. (TownFunk)
I've gotten a lot better with zerg over the past couple of days. I find Hydras to be more effective than Muties.
EDIT: I was taking a look at your spreadsheet, and the problem is the terran counter for each of those should be MARINES MARINES...MORE MARINES!!!
mariners are super versatile but they are weak against some units - especially splash/spread damage like seige tanks, mutas, ultras, colossi and high templar storm.
but you have to be an effective micro player to combat a marine blob, and most players probably aren't.
i got moved into silver league in 1v1. so happy
I've just got confirmation, I've been transferred to the US region! Now i can aspire to suck in america like the average foreigner!
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...20win.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/271H4f_first%20zerg%20win.SC2Replay) my first zerg win
went 3-3 today in silver and lost a 3v3 game. my two teammates scored 5th and 6th, i scored 3rd. i think we were playing against an arranged team, because everything they did was very coordinated. i don't really like playing team games with random people
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/30...0game.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/30/733Sj3_amazing%20game.SC2Replay)
rtil and me playing (zerg = me, protoss = rtil, opponents = both terran)
kinda sucked cause he left, stupid windows 7 update.
anyways, i lost at the end, but it was the most enjoyable match i've played so far.
what happened was is someone on the other team and myself forgot to turn off automatic restart for windows 7 updates. and we apparently live in the same timezone because we both dropped at the exact same time. we both had large standing armies and a big battle was about to happen. i can't wait to watch it and see what happened after we dropped haha
Quote from: rtilwhat happened was is someone on the other team and myself forgot to turn off automatic restart for windows 7 updates. and we apparently live in the same timezone because we both dropped at the exact same time. we both had large standing armies and a big battle was about to happen. i can't wait to watch it and see what happened after we dropped haha
well i didn't find your army but i pwnt him with my own army
my army was probably dead considering all he'd need to do is kill it with cloaked banshees while they sit there and do nothing
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/375109404 (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/375109404)
went 1-1 tonight, both random, both zerg. both played vs protoss. both mass void rays. lost the first won, won the 2nd. here's the 2nd:
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...82%29.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/2805Gd_Delta%20Quadrant%20%282%29.SC2Replay)
not only did he mass void rays, but he built proxy pylons outside of my base trying to keep me there. for some reason he never scouted after that, so it didn't really work. but it took a while to break through
I dont know if you knew this, but when you make a creep tumour, it can spawn another creep tumour and that one can spawn one so on and so forth, you could've used this to just keep filling land with creep denying him building spots and giving yourself an additional edge. Beyond that cant say much cause i can't play zerg.
Quote from: AshingtonI dont know if you knew this, but when you make a creep tumour, it can spawn another creep tumour and that one can spawn one so on and so forth, you could've used this to just keep filling land with creep denying him building spots and giving yourself an additional edge. Beyond that cant say much cause i can't play zerg.
I do that all the time. It's great for seeing forces coming your way. If you ever need to clear an area, just use a detector unit to reveal the tumors. Then you just have to wait for either A: the creep to go away or B: an army of zerg coming to stop you from building there.
Quote from: AshingtonI dont know if you knew this, but when you make a creep tumour, it can spawn another creep tumour and that one can spawn one so on and so forth, you could've used this to just keep filling land with creep denying him building spots and giving yourself an additional edge. Beyond that cant say much cause i can't play zerg.
i didn't know that. that saves me a lot of energy with my queen in the early game
Quote from: rtilQuote from: AshingtonI dont know if you knew this, but when you make a creep tumour, it can spawn another creep tumour and that one can spawn one so on and so forth, you could've used this to just keep filling land with creep denying him building spots and giving yourself an additional edge. Beyond that cant say much cause i can't play zerg.
i didn't know that. that saves me a lot of energy with my queen in the early game
lmao you didn't? I did that in our game, i spawned 3 tumors with the queen and then built more and more with those (each tumor can just build one other, so if you go separate ways, 3 are enough)
Blizzard has merged with Activision which doesn't really satisfy me.
COME ON WHERE THE FUCK IS DIABLO III????:
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problem, terrans?
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/692221 (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/692221)
It's like they're trying to take away all of my strategies that I've concocted over the course of the Beta...
It's like they're trying to take away all of my strategies that I've concocted over the course of the Beta...
damn fuck pc! I'm sure it would not work on my pc
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...0YEAH.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/8447tA_AWWWW%20YEAH.SC2Replay)
i played rtil, this is what happened.
we played another game but he won that, i'm sure he has the replay.
went 2-2 today, played the most insane ZvT ever. it took a looooooooong time but i won. really good replay though, you'll see us fighting for the gold expansion for the last half of the game. what it really came down to is who could deny resources while mining and building from what was safe from the enemy. this plays out on scrap station, which is my favorite 1v1 map.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...20win.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/059Ry4_long%20ZvT%20win.SC2Replay)
also yes, ash destroyed me in tvz with his marine/medivac blob. but then i beat him in tvp with colossi
for the last week every day i've gone 50/50 in my win/loss ratio. i usually lose to cheese
I'm not sure why, but I've lost every game in the platinum league, but somehow, I went up a spot.
Quote from: FuzzI'm not sure why, but I've lost every game in the platinum league, but somehow, I went up a spot.
cause people above you drop
it could also indicate a new player entering the league. you always start at the bottom if you're coming straight out of your ranked matches
Ahh that would make sense. Any ideas what the whole "Favored" or "Slightly Favored" things indicate? Because... I've looked into and nobody can seem to figure it out.
I've gone up against Diamond leaguers while in the Bronze league, and they're only "slightly Favored". I don't get it.
when i was kicked out of platinum to silver, i went from having 6 points to having 120 points. they're not equal in each division. bad higher league players might be being re-evaluated by the ladder system and being pitted against players it thinks it's matched more appropriately against.
Quote from: FuzzAhh that would make sense. Any ideas what the whole "Favored" or "Slightly Favored" things indicate? Because... I've looked into and nobody can seem to figure it out.
I've gone up against Diamond leaguers while in the Bronze league, and they're only "slightly Favored". I don't get it.
um isn't that obvious
favored = player in the higher league/higher rank in the same league
slightly favored = player just a few ranks above you
n00b
Quote from: railgunQuote from: FuzzAhh that would make sense. Any ideas what the whole "Favored" or "Slightly Favored" things indicate? Because... I've looked into and nobody can seem to figure it out.
I've gone up against Diamond leaguers while in the Bronze league, and they're only "slightly Favored". I don't get it.
um isn't that obvious
favored = player in the higher league/higher rank in the same league
slightly favored = player just a few ranks above you
n00b
I've gone up against Diamond leaguers while in the Bronze league, and they're only "slightly Favored".
Quote from: FuzzQuote from: railgunQuote from: FuzzAhh that would make sense. Any ideas what the whole "Favored" or "Slightly Favored" things indicate? Because... I've looked into and nobody can seem to figure it out.
I've gone up against Diamond leaguers while in the Bronze league, and they're only "slightly Favored". I don't get it.
um isn't that obvious
favored = player in the higher league/higher rank in the same league
slightly favored = player just a few ranks above you
n00b
I've gone up against Diamond leaguers while in the Bronze league, and they're only "slightly Favored".
they're only slightly favored because they aren't REALLY in diamond anymore. They lost so many games that they're actually in bronze or silver, it just didn't update them yet. That's what happened to me in gold.
i think i'm getting the hang of zerg. i've won my last 6 ranked matches in a row. i love how the zerg play, very fast paced and lots of things to do. i do best when i'm busy
one thing to take advantage of, at least in my silver league, is that no matter what race someone plays, they always seem to spend a ton of resources walling off and making their main impenetrable with pc/mt/sc. this allows you the freedom to build up a much larger army, deny expansions, expand yourself, and defend against their waves until their resources run dry. at that point, you just have to widdle them down until they realize there's nothing they can do except watch their buildings slowly die.
That was some fun SC2 playing the other night, first time i've played properly in a while, that video clip of the best moment is golden too who's the awesome guy marine blobbing his shit?
I love you Ash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU-elIkhVhU
i almost quit zerg yesterday but i changed my build and i'm playing zerg again.
my issue is early pressure from terrans and protoss. but this build gets a roach army up fast enough to fight them. hell, you can even have hydras up before they come.
15 pool
14 gas
15 hatch
18 roach warren
and that's pretty much it. with your main fully saturated, set up defenses at the natural. hydras are important if they decide to go air harass
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...oolio.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/044A8b_coolio.SC2Replay)
First time doing FFA, kinda annoyed he left early cause from the end game stats i could tell i could've broken down his Battlecruiser/Thor mob very easily with a little more time.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=2830 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=2830)
weirdest terran i've ever played against.
woo went 4-0 tonight, but lost a 2v2
2 good come from behind replays as zerg
zvt - hydras and overseers save my ass
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...20cfb.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/401y1H_zerg%20cfb.SC2Replay)
zvt - banelings save my ass
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...react.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/9620bR_zerg-react.SC2Replay)
and here's a bad 2v2 replay with my bad teammate whose response to everything is mass vikings
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...0suck.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/626I7w_my%20allies%20always%20suck.SC2Replay)
Wow that 2v2 was pretty bad, you maybe should've used more roaches against those stalkers but your teammate was a complete retard, constantly sending in aircraft against a mob that's pretty much shot them down with little to no trouble.
Also i played Protoss for the first time giving them a practice spin in a FFA game, i pretty much winged it and i think against competent opponents i'd have died quickly, but i managed to pull a win out my ass somehow.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...0yeah.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/429k5K_Hells%20yeah.SC2Replay)
there was no way i couldve won that game i was basically fighting by my own at the end. at least he acknowledged that he was sucking. he's probably one of those players that does the same thing over and over again even if it doesn't work. the 1v1 games are way better
when you said "protoss" and "practice spin" in the same sentence, for a second i thought you were talking about practicing making probes spin around on the ground.
Kind of dumb when you consider the terrans are largely about being adaptive. If he'd been good you'd probably have won considering you guys expanded quicker and had a larger force sooner.
also i completely forgot to try that out, will have to do that next protoss game i play!
yeah i would say that terrans can change their build faster than any other race. all those resources he spent on vikings should have gone to teched up marauders.
Quote from: rtilwhen you said "protoss" and "practice spin" in the same sentence, for a second i thought you were talking about practicing making probes spin around on the ground.
I was playing a 2v2 with a friend of mine and we decided to try out shared control. He had a nice force of stalkers, zealots, and sentries at the entrance to our base. I decided that while he was busy making an expansion, I would set 3 separate patrol way points for each unit so they would spin around in place. When the enemy came to attack they freaked out and ran away and then accused us of hacking.
lmao
beware the spinning probe
dont try and shoot it or anything it might make a nuke go off
another way to make people think you're hacking is if you're playing as zerg, burrow 1 zergling at each expansion where you'd place a command center/nexus/hatchery. when they try to build it, it won't let them. most people don't figure out what is happening and they either leave to another expansion or quit the game.
You hacker
fuck the 4th level of starcraft is boring and depressing, not playing it anymore! well hi Wallace and Gromit!
http://us.starcraft2.com/launcher/patch-notes.htm (http://us.starcraft2.com/launcher/patch-notes.htm)
today
Damn... can't they just, Oh i dunno, make other units stronger instead of making the super bad ass units weaker? Shit, 4 marines shouldn't be able to take down a fucking TANK!
i think their main concern was that a seige tank could pretty much 1-shot any zerg unit. they still can to roaches because they're considered armored units
the splash damage from ultras seems like a bug, although it is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px0zB9_ePmI
according to commenters what is happening is that the splash damage is working correctly but for a building as big as a CC it is spreading too far. they'll probable change the AoE to a fixed radius
cmon guys we gotta play some games soon!
I've been busy with the fallout series... Hit me up on steam or something and I'll play with you.
Steam ID: TownFunk
psi is moving or something this weekend but i'm up for 2v2
Quote from: rtilpsi is moving or something this weekend but i'm up for 2v2
yah, won't have internet from saturday to thursday next week
FUCK YEA
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Woa, congrats!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mmgAdAhzJo
boring game until the end when he accuses me of maphacking. you'll see why
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...20hax.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/250H3b_ling%20hax.SC2Replay)
so far my favorite game vs a terran. it's almost non stop fighting until the very end
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...20tvz.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/0528hZ_best%20tvz.SC2Replay)
that protoss replay was dull as fuck, he'll drop to bronze league in no time.
and that other replay was alot better, although he was pretty much beaten when he kept frittering away his resources on unspecialised forces and not defending his desperately needed expansions. I kinda wish the game had lasted longer just to see how much more of the map you could cover in creep cause fuck there was loads of it!
uhhh didn't have time this saturday
next one tho! (maybe, will be gone, too but fffff)
http://www.cracked.com/video_18218_if-star...ted.html?ref=nf (http://www.cracked.com/video_18218_if-starcraft-was-even-more-complicated.html?ref=nf)
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...wzers.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/3127uW_wowzers.SC2Replay)
This was pretty underwhelming i must say, just watch the replay as you'll see.
that was the most boring game i've ever seen
here's a pretty good game vs a protoss 4 gate, one of the harder rush builds to stop http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=3202 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=3202)
okay i think i can play tonight!
buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuump
playing this every couple of nights, add 'BluPhoenix'
i will pwn anyone free of charge
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/10...enuke.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1091/8895jK_quintuplenuke.SC2Replay)
i always have a problem with too many minerals so i decided to just cut the crap and nuke the hell outta the guy
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Ow my internet.
Also we should do some tba sc2 nights some time, unless we already have.
Although I wouldn't be able to come anyways unless we did it like, three weeks from now so I can go back to college and do it from there, this computer = old
old sucks
what's your character code cipher
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...p_LOL.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/4414Fp_LOL.SC2Replay)
a little fun involving command centres
Quote from: Ashingtonhttp://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...p_LOL.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/4414Fp_LOL.SC2Replay)
a little fun involving command centres
I didn't watch this because I don't feel like updating SC on this computer. Did you just fly command centers into the enemy base and turn them into fortresses?
Quote from: FuzzQuote from: Ashingtonhttp://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...p_LOL.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/4414Fp_LOL.SC2Replay)
a little fun involving command centres
I didn't watch this because I don't feel like updating SC on this computer. Did you just fly command centers into the enemy base and turn them into fortresses?
i didn't anwer your question because i dont feel like typing it on this computer and because its better to just watch it
Quote from: rtilwhat's your character code cipher
name: Zero
code was 971 I think
Quote from: AshingtonQuote from: FuzzQuote from: Ashingtonhttp://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...p_LOL.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/4414Fp_LOL.SC2Replay)
a little fun involving command centres
I didn't watch this because I don't feel like updating SC on this computer. Did you just fly command centers into the enemy base and turn them into fortresses?
i didn't anwer your question because i dont feel like typing it on this computer and because its better to just watch it
UUuuuughhh... why do you have to be like that?
dont be a babby
Quote from: FuzzQuote from: AshingtonQuote from: FuzzQuote from: Ashingtonhttp://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...p_LOL.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/4414Fp_LOL.SC2Replay)
a little fun involving command centres
I didn't watch this because I don't feel like updating SC on this computer. Did you just fly command centers into the enemy base and turn them into fortresses?
i didn't anwer your question because i dont feel like typing it on this computer and because its better to just watch it
UUuuuughhh... why do you have to be like that?
just update your damn game ya noob
guys starcraft is so easy come on i found out a way to win every time in 3 easy steps:
1. assume your opponent doesn't believe in scouting,
2. assume your opponent doesn't rush or get lots of anti air
3. build void rays
heh
works in bronze league
Quote from: rtilworks in bronze league
The demo is out for those who haven't gotten it yet.
Only allows you 3 missions and skirmishes between computers.
And limited maps. Can only play with and against Terran. Pretty limited.
who's up for a tba sc2 tournament (that im gonna win)??
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http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/10...isone.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1091/7293Fb_howthefuckdidiwinthisone.SC2Replay)
feh who needs command centers anyways
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gho30f6Yut0
lmfao that is just what we were talking about the other night, creepy protoss
how to counter cocooned banelings and win a free-for-all in 16 minutes
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/10...aster.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1091/937c6T_faster.SC2Replay)
it didnt even look like the protosser was doing anything
well i take that back he did try to make a comeback after all those zerglings but he should have had enough time to come back with at least a competent force
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"obvious tychus quote"
Quote from: rtilhttp://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/...%2003_40_45.jpg (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1/3889Mr_Screenshot2011-01-01%2003_40_45.jpg)
give me your acc. login info, i can help you get to bronze league.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/94...PWNED.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/945/9393Ai_PWNED.SC2Replay)
These guys were unbelivebly stupid, they probably just figured we'd turtle like cowards and paid horribly for it. This one felt good.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4251 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4251)
a replay of sev and me beating an insane AI
congrats to rtil and psi + sev
also lmao ash
hey lets "dawwwwwwww" together
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQTcazGNqyY
SHOOTIES
I think I'm going to start posting in this thread now
Quote from: overmindhttp://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4251 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4251)
a replay of sev and me beating an insane AI
It's kind of funny how you can cannon rush them and win almost every time in less than 10 mins
callin drones shooties from now on
Quote from: CipherQuote from: overmindhttp://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4251 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4251)
a replay of sev and me beating an insane AI
It's kind of funny how you can cannon rush them and win almost every time in less than 10 mins
we didn't canon rush them tho, that's a legit 2v1 game without gay cheesing i guess
Quote from: overmindQuote from: CipherQuote from: overmindhttp://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4251 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4251)
a replay of sev and me beating an insane AI
It's kind of funny how you can cannon rush them and win almost every time in less than 10 mins
we didn't canon rush them tho, that's a legit 2v1 game without gay cheesing i guess
Yeah doing it like that definitely does not seem easy
fightclub night is tonight! anyone who feels man enough, get the fuck in here
current lot:
rtil
me
ash
yuki
sinitron
testsubject
probably psi, bp7 and plenty of people who will hop in last-minute
it's gonna be STREAMED with COMMENTATORS or something so if anyone wants to watch a bunch of motherfuckers go at it well of course you do go hit rtil's livestream tonight
"probably"
what the f[spoiler]lock of pigeons[/spoiler] are you on about
confirm me as definitely playing
I'd stop by, but I feel like I'm not a bad enough dude to become part of the TBA's starcraft lot
Also I barely know you people :\
Quote from: CipherI'd stop by, but I feel like I'm not a bad enough dude to become part of the TBA's starcraft lot
Also I barely know you people :\
yeah most of our conversations consist of us planning out how we're going to rough up some chumps. we all wear leather jackets and sunglasses when we converse on skype and anyone without hair greased back is banned from the club indefinitely.
Quote from: sevQuote from: CipherI'd stop by, but I feel like I'm not a bad enough dude to become part of the TBA's starcraft lot
Also I barely know you people :\
yeah most of our conversations consist of us planning out how we're going to rough up some chumps. we all wear leather jackets and sunglasses when we converse on skype and anyone without hair greased back is banned from the club indefinitely.
Just as I thought
just join in next time cipher
the more the merrier don't be shy
and today my internet is actually working well so i'll be able to stream it
I need some player names anyways before I could even join, although they're probably in this thread somewhere.
Blizzard seriously needs to add channels and clans into this game though. Makes me miss warcraft III
add rtil:869
rumor is that chat channels will be in the next patch or the one after
Alrighty, I added you, SC name is Zero
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/10...ckoff.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1091/5551yW_lmaofuckoff.SC2Replay)
i have some serious issues with this game, moreover the guy i fought
it's like he had no fucking idea what to do once his cannon rush failed
edit: lmfao he tried to build his forge in my base
there are people who ladder who only know how to do 1 thing, and it's true that if it fails they typically have no clue what to do next
on a side note, that guy is probably the worst protoss player i've ever seen
here is a good replay from yesterday - a half-hour zvz (!). every zerg unit except for 1 is in this. you might be able to guess which one because it's not a very good unit to have in zvz
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4343 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4343)
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4354 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4354)
got a little treat for you!
those are some pro koreans (including fruit dealer) replays
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4370 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4370)
almost beat poogs again i guess, but he's just way too fast
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4373 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4373)
a fantastic game of phantom featuring me, sin and jake
phantom mode is boring
fair enough if you don't like it. i just enjoy how much fun it is to manipulate and play people off against each other in this.
if by manipulate you mean you and your team kills everyone else regardless of their alliance thereby screwing up the whole point of phantom mode then yes i suppose it would be fun
No we actually managed to convince some of them through talking alone to attack other people, occasionally you wipe someone out when they attack your allies (in your party) or if they get really big by using this to accuse them of being a phantom. In this particular replay a couple of them knew i was the phantom cause they were in a party and one of their members was a phantom too, but we still managed to convince the rest it wasn't me, even when i crushed someone whos army was hanging quite close to my base. Although i do agree in a fair few games you get parties that just quickly turn on everyone for the sake of it.
Quote from: CipherI need some player names anyways before I could even join, although they're probably in this thread somewhere.
Blizzard seriously needs to add channels and clans into this game though. Makes me miss warcraft III
Well speak of the devil, the patch came out today
phantom mode's not the best but it's fun ok
the chat channels are pretty basic right now and there's no op/admin abilities, but they are there. "thebackalleys" is the place to be, of course
the most painful match i've ever played.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4386 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4386)
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4390 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4390)
sinitron and I went up against 2 diamond league players who were favored. sin's internet caused him to drop, but I ended up taking them out anyway. it was pretty awesome. so much adrenaline that match
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and he was never seen from again
uh what?
anyway let's do more fight club stuff tonight
i'm gonna be out for a while but i'll be back soon
if we ran an actual elimination/round-robin/gsl-style tournament this weekend, how many of you would get in on it?
Sure why not. Although I doubt we'd be able to get more than five or six though. Well we'll see.
Quote from: CipherSure why not. Although I doubt we'd be able to get more than five or six though. Well we'll see.
last weekend we got about 14 people in total, although some of them were friends of friends.
yuki said week before that was 16 people
Quote from: sevif we ran an actual elimination/round-robin/gsl-style tournament this weekend, how many of you would get in on it?
not me if it's on saturday, cause i will be celebrating my best friends birthday then. If it's on Friday, sure.
Yeah for some reason friends of friends didn't occur to me.
EDIT: Apparently I double clicked the post button and did this, sorry
disregard my fail if you could.
http://pixelatedgeek.com/2011/01/world-of-...meplay-trailer/ (http://pixelatedgeek.com/2011/01/world-of-starcraft-becoming-a-reality-thanks-to-hardcore-fans-gameplay-trailer/)
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I bet you this is never going to come out. I've seen so many awesome SC2 maps that were probably half as ambitious that are yet to see the light of day...
Well, looks cool, so lets keep our hopes up.
Quote from: rtilhttp://pixelatedgeek.com/2011/01/world-of-...meplay-trailer/ (http://pixelatedgeek.com/2011/01/world-of-starcraft-becoming-a-reality-thanks-to-hardcore-fans-gameplay-trailer/)
yes
YES
Quote from: CipherQuote from: rtilhttp://pixelatedgeek.com/2011/01/world-of-...meplay-trailer/ (http://pixelatedgeek.com/2011/01/world-of-starcraft-becoming-a-reality-thanks-to-hardcore-fans-gameplay-trailer/)
I bet you this is never going to come out. I've seen so many awesome SC2 maps that were probably half as ambitious that are yet to see the light of day...
Well, looks cool, so lets keep our hopes up.
it seems like there's a lot of dedication behind it. i'm more concerned about whether they hit limitations in the map editor, most especially the 2mb memory cache
Looks like it got kicked in the nuts by Activision.
Quote from: rtilQuote from: CipherQuote from: rtilhttp://pixelatedgeek.com/2011/01/world-of-...meplay-trailer/ (http://pixelatedgeek.com/2011/01/world-of-starcraft-becoming-a-reality-thanks-to-hardcore-fans-gameplay-trailer/)
I bet you this is never going to come out. I've seen so many awesome SC2 maps that were probably half as ambitious that are yet to see the light of day...
Well, looks cool, so lets keep our hopes up.
it seems like there's a lot of dedication behind it. i'm more concerned about whether they hit limitations in the map editor, most especially the 2mb memory cache
they will be raising that limit by a fair bit soon
Quote from: CrabarmsLooks like it got kicked in the nuts by Activision.
just the youtube account
really cool 3's match with me, poogs, and sin vs 2 master league players and a diamond league player. it was awesome all-around, the macro, the micro, and even the sportsmanship at the end. one of the players congratulated us after our victory even, it was a very thrilling 3, probably the best i've ever played.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/player.php?f=4483 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/player.php?f=4483)
i also liked this one, it was a 1v1 against a master league protoss i talk to. he still kicked my ass, even as terran, but he told me my micro was spot on, my macro just didn't support my unit composition.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/player.php?f=4484 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/player.php?f=4484)
and another one, i just liked this one because i totally thought we were going to lose, but i just made high templar and sentries while sin went for a lot of tanks and we destroyed. very gg
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/18...20AOE.SC2Replay (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1813/9561Fe_fucking%20AOE.SC2Replay)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitptY7bPYs
i wanna play a FFA with rtil, poogs, sin, ash, sev, cipher and myself this weekend, one more spot open to make it 8 players, who's interested?
Quote from: psii wanna play a FFA with rtil, poogs, sin, ash, sev, cipher and myself this weekend, one more spot open to make it 8 players, who's interested?
I think 4v4 would be more epic, but sure why not
Quote from: CipherQuote from: psii wanna play a FFA with rtil, poogs, sin, ash, sev, cipher and myself this weekend, one more spot open to make it 8 players, who's interested?
I think 4v4 would be more epic, but sure why not
the team with poogs and rtil would probably win, and if they're in different teams then poogs and sinister
Quote from: psii wanna play a FFA with rtil, poogs, sin, ash, sev, cipher and myself this weekend, one more spot open to make it 8 players, who's interested?
i'd play too
FFA is worse than 4v4 but they will both suck immensely
Quote from: psii wanna play a FFA with rtil, poogs, sin, ash, sev, cipher and myself this weekend, one more spot open to make it 8 players, who's interested?
that sounds like a 5 hour long shitstorm in which everyone but the winner is left feeling horribly dissatisfied, only instead of true satisfaction, they only feel the emotion of fatnerdosity and emptyness, and longing for the 5 hours wasted.
in any case, i guess it's time to start the tournament registrations. depending on how many people come in, the prelims will be either single-elimination or double-elimination round-robin like last week. Poogs is still the defending champion, I guess, so he'll be casting with our new beloved commentator Kenny and us alternatively depending on who's playing. Hoorah.
i remember that one FFA where i was burning Ryan's stuff to the ground but then all of a sudden Computer 6 came OUT OF NOWHERE and destroyed my base and i couldn't reinforce my position so i lost FUCK YOU COMPUTER 6 FUCK YOU TO HELL
computer 6 uses vision hacks
he just KNEW when to make roaches against my hellions
http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/4679040/ (http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/4679040/)
GOOD GAMES
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4604 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4604)
me + a very hard AI beating both sev and rtil
my friend gave me a 2 week guest pass i think im gonna sit here and not use it and keep playing minecraft
have fun playing an ugly game full of 4chan fucks doing what the fags that cracked activeworlds have been doing for ten fucking years already
"indie revolution" my ass, minecraft is such a massive scam it isn't even fucking funny
it is pretty funny when you think about people paying money for a java application
Quote from: rtilit is pretty funny when you think about people paying money for a java application
Quote from: Tron Sawyermassive scam
^
Quote from: Tron Sawyergame full of 4chan fucks
might be true but i play that on a private server with RL friends and that works nicely. No memes, no stupid shit, it's fun.
f*ck you *plays desert strike and lags on purpose*
lmao i just won 2 games going as random and getting zerg
i just 7pool, use a worker to scout and stop walls from going up, then all-in with 6 lings and 7 workers
it's really powerful
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/133357-...hakuras-plateau (http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/133357-1v1-protoss-shakuras-plateau)
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/133417-...s-scrap-station (http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/133417-1v1-terran-protoss-scrap-station)
^trying to lose on purpose, doesn't work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdW0TlTyCtY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdW0TlTyCtY)
lmao
LMAO how the fuck did that guy let that happen
i think he got caught up in microing his scouting probe and didn't notice what was going on until it was too late and my commando SCVs had killed half his mineral line
i'm so gosu i can't even lose on purpose
hahahaha
i'm not sure what i love more, the toss who cant focus on his workers, or the way kenash commentated
downloading the trial thing now (nobody cares)
one of us
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4616 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4616) <- zvp rtil vs eternal/kiwi - intense game
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4617 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4617) <- ladder match: zvz - rtil vs FEMA - heavy roach play
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4618 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4618) <- ladder match: zvt - rtil vs niknok - my 250th zerg win and i got my queen portrait good game with a lot of tech switches
i got my marine portrait
after worker rushing a zerg player and screaming about how daddy put heroin in my food and made me lose my mind
Quote from: systechdownloading the trial thing now (nobody cares)
fresh meat
kekekekekeke
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do the creep
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HAAAAAAAAAW
You need to learn how to spend your money.
won a bunch of straight games as toss
PvT with decent sentry use to kill MM ball, PvZ with phoenix and colossus, and PvZ with voids and stalkers
ntb considering it's my absolutely worst race when i go random
Quote from: CipherYou need to learn how to spend your money.
i never play zerg
ergo this aint my screen
i finally got myself demoted to gold now i can play the noob races comfortably
http://starcraft2.judgehype.com/index.php?...=graffs_terrans (http://starcraft2.judgehype.com/index.php?page=graffs_terrans)
war pigs one looks like shit in-game WTF
Quote from: Tron Sawyeri finally got myself demoted to gold now i can play the noob race comfortably
does that mean you'll finally be playing as terran
no, protoss
Quote from: Tron Sawyeryes, terran
thought so
Quote from: sevI'm gay and suck a lot of dick!!
I, too, can edit quotes and 'be funny'.
Quote from: Tron SawyerMULES MULES PLANETARY FORTRESSES MASS REPAIR MARINES MARINES BLUEFLAME HELLIONS BANSHEES 10 OTHER METHODS OF HARASS MORE STATIC DEFENSES THAN GOD BETTER IN-GAME MUSIC SENSOR TOWERS MAKE ULTRALISKS EXTINCT MARINES MARINES MARINES MARINES
god damnit sinister stop bragging
Quote from: sevQuote from: Tron SawyerMULES MULES PLANETARY FORTRESSES MASS REPAIR MARINES MARINES BLUEFLAME HELLIONS BANSHEES 10 OTHER METHODS OF HARASS MORE STATIC DEFENSES THAN GOD BETTER IN-GAME MUSIC SENSOR TOWERS MAKE ULTRALISKS EXTINCT MARINES MARINES MARINES MARINES
god damnit sinister stop bragging
they fixed the sensor tower thing they won't fuck up ultras anymore
Quote from: Tron SawyerQuote from: sevQuote from: Tron SawyerMULES MULES PLANETARY FORTRESSES MASS REPAIR MARINES MARINES BLUEFLAME HELLIONS BANSHEES 10 OTHER METHODS OF HARASS MORE STATIC DEFENSES THAN GOD BETTER IN-GAME MUSIC SENSOR TOWERS MAKE ULTRALISKS EXTINCT MARINES MARINES MARINES MARINES
god damnit sinister stop bragging
they fixed the sensor tower thing they won't fuck up ultras anymore
better not
they can nerf my fortresses
and they can nerf my marines
they can even nerf my hellions
and remove cloak on banshees
but they can never
NEVER
take my fucking bad-ass music
i'll see to it that you lose ALL of your badass music
terrans are NOTHING without their badass music
f*ck you i will hack the game and make it play SC1 music faggot
Quote from: Tron Sawyerf*ck you i will hack the game and make it play SC1 music faggot
not if i hack your account first
i know your ip windows 7 user you can't hide forever
cool videogame you guys
shit
Quote from: nonzopcool videogame you guys
translation:
i have no money i can't buy games or a computer capable of running them also i am bad at everything and couldn't play them even if i had them so instead i will ruin MEANINGFUL dialogue between other people with stupid fucking shit
Quote from: Tron SawyerQuote from: nonzopcool videogame you guys
translation:
i have no money i can't buy games or a computer capable of running them also i am bad at everything and couldn't play them even if i had them so instead i will ruin MEANINGFUL dialogue between other people with stupid fucking tba pseudo-irony gay gay gay
fixed
i don't understand this fucking inside humor
yeah thats pretty accurate
eat mucus
actualy nvm i am gay this game looks ok i dont really play rts' dat often tho so id b shit at it but w/e
even girls and 12-year olds can play this game, ARE YOU A MAN OR ARE YOU A MOUSE??
idk all these made up names are pretty intimidating !!
i might consider gettin it it looks sort of fun even tho my experience with rts games is limited to age of mythology
age of PISS-ASS PUSSY BULLSHIT
there's a free demo
ye i know
also ok gettin on it
Quote from: sevQuote from: Tron SawyerQuote from: sevQuote from: Tron SawyerMULES MULES PLANETARY FORTRESSES MASS REPAIR MARINES MARINES BLUEFLAME HELLIONS BANSHEES 10 OTHER METHODS OF HARASS MORE STATIC DEFENSES THAN GOD BETTER IN-GAME MUSIC SENSOR TOWERS MAKE ULTRALISKS EXTINCT MARINES MARINES MARINES MARINES
god damnit sinister stop bragging
they fixed the sensor tower thing they won't fuck up ultras anymore
better not
yeah the mass sensor tower build pretty much ruined the fast ultra tech build which is now unstoppable btw everyone cowers in fear when the ultralisks stampede towards your army like a herd of retarded elephants oh wait they're all dead
Quote from: Tron Sawyerthey can nerf my fortresses
and they can nerf my marines
they can even nerf my hellions
and remove cloak on banshees
but they can never
NEVER
take my fucking bad-ass music
as much as i like the zerg music in sc2
i do really like this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCeImbnBuvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyvH9Gm76Os Best Starcraft music ever
i wish protoss had good music
I just play my own music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKeGwOKr7K8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2ZVg3jbidQ
PTR 1.2.1 out
5 new maps
no balance stuff yet
5 new SHITTY maps
the first looks like a revamped lost temple which will make zerg cream their pants for about 2 hours before they go back to crying about people foxer-microing stimmed marines and tank drops still being overpowered
the others are bland and shitty, apparently even worse than the current maps according to people from the team liquid site who have tested them and the GSL fags will still use their own maps
i don't think there were any more lava maps, there needs to be because those are cool
EDIT: oh yeah and they fixed something about creep killing flowers and vegetation and you could tell by just looking at the map even if there's fog of war, kind of like how you could see mules drop before (man i miss seeing that and then dogpiling an army on that particular expo)
the lost temple changes look great, i approve
the cliff by the natural was way too in favor of terran, you could drop seige tanks and thors on there way before zerg could do anything about it
a map can never be balanced for all races
i bet it will be too wide-open now so zerg can flank from every direction, making it the opposite of kulas where protoss could just ff and terran could turtle through the chokes
also most of the new map suffer from 3-second rush distances which is apparently bad for zerg, and back rocks which can be broken and starting positions that are really fucked up allowing for serious colossus abuse by protoss and maybe siege tank abuse like that one jungle 2v2 map with the 2x4 starting positions, where you can smack the naturals with siege tanks in a counter-clockwise fashion
really just delete banelings and bring back lurkers so zerg have a siege unit they can abuse too
Quote from: rtili do really like this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCeImbnBuvY
Quote from: Ashingtonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyvH9Gm76Os Best Starcraft music ever
personal favs
Quote from: sevi wish protoss had good music
bringing back lurkers would be pretty good, zerg could use more combat units, especially one that can fill a defensive role quite well.
Quote from: Tron Sawyera map can never be balanced for all races
i bet it will be too wide-open now so zerg can flank from every direction, making it the opposite of kulas where protoss could just ff and terran could turtle through the chokes
also most of the new map suffer from 3-second rush distances which is apparently bad for zerg, and back rocks which can be broken and starting positions that are really fucked up allowing for serious colossus abuse by protoss and maybe siege tank abuse like that one jungle 2v2 map with the 2x4 starting positions, where you can smack the naturals with siege tanks in a counter-clockwise fashion
really just delete banelings and bring back lurkers so zerg have a siege unit they can abuse too
yeah god forbid the zerg have any advantage on a map, but all we really wanted was the cliffs by the nat in LT to be gone - that's why every zerg has it checked off
the main issue is that every blizzard map is centered around ramps - something that only 2 of the 3 races can really take advantage of, especially in defense.
all most zergs really want is a natural that's reasonably close (doesn't have to be connected by 3 creep tumors) and no ridiculously close cliffs for terrans to drop thors/seige tanks/land vikings with ease and autowin the game (a problem with LT and kulas ravine)
i'm not saying that zerg can't ever have an advantage, but the maps can never be balanced for all races
fyi i don't like ramps either it's some sc2 thing that toss and terran need ramps
in general on any map, if it's too open, it's in zerg favor, and if it's too closed, it's in favor of of toss and terran
the map pool sucks and the new maps won't make it any better
i hate lost temple, even though it favors terran because it just feels iffy
got my overseer portrait
shitty zvz where my 7pool all-in failed but i still recovered and won
Quote from: Tron Sawyerin general on any map, if it's too open, it's in zerg favor, and if it's too closed, it's in favor of of toss and terran
some of the GSL maps seem to be pretty balanced about that, maybe blizzard should add those to the map rotation
Quote from: psiQuote from: Tron Sawyerin general on any map, if it's too open, it's in zerg favor, and if it's too closed, it's in favor of of toss and terran
some of the GSL maps seem to be pretty balanced about that, maybe blizzard should add those to the map rotation
no the gsl maps are ugly as sin
the blizzard maps are pretty but crappy
idc what happens to the blizz maps as long as i don't have to look at the gsl ones
Quote from: Tron SawyerQuote from: psiQuote from: Tron Sawyerin general on any map, if it's too open, it's in zerg favor, and if it's too closed, it's in favor of of toss and terran
some of the GSL maps seem to be pretty balanced about that, maybe blizzard should add those to the map rotation
no the gsl maps are ugly as sin
the blizzard maps are pretty but crappy
idc what happens to the blizz maps as long as i don't have to look at the gsl ones
You just love to disagree with everyone don't you?
Quote from: CipherYou just love to disagree with everyone don't you?
I like to form my own opinions.
Quote from: Tron SawyerQuote from: CipherYou just love to disagree with everyone don't you?
I like to form my own opinions.
well being able to form your own opinion doesn't mean that you're always required to just saying
didn't you, a few days ago, say that you liked the gsl maps
i think the gsl maps are pretty
Quote from: psiQuote from: Tron SawyerQuote from: CipherYou just love to disagree with everyone don't you?
I like to form my own opinions.
well being able to form your own opinion doesn't mean that you're always required to just saying
didn't you, a few days ago, say that you liked the gsl maps
yeah until i played on them
i need to get my 400th win today
maybe the roach or marauder portraits as well
failed another SCV rush, survived the counter-attack, transitioned to marine/tank and won the game
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/135653-...-steppes-of-war (http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/135653-1v1-terran-steppes-of-war)
also i apparently 7pool all-inned the same guy like ten games before that one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9GW2ULGhmI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9GW2ULGhmI)
lmao
Suck mah' drop ships
AAAAAAAAAA WHY CAN'T I JUST DROP TO FUCKING SILVER LEAGUE ALREADY
i just won 5 games in a row with worker rushes
i'm never getting demoted to silver since this crap works on all sorts of random silver/gold/plat players
then just quit games
i already do ;-(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93oH6R15neg
and for cipher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a9LNJpTttQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjzUUDLYybE
Wow that bonergeist video. He claimed that was master too?
But yeah that infestor thing, he did it at the perfect timing too
yeah, mrbitter is a master league player, and this was on ladder, so it probably was a master league terran.
some terrans on high ladder are exceptionally bad. i played a rank 52 diamond terran who 1-based marines for 15 minutes. i'm not quite sure how he got so high in rank
Quote from: rtil> rank 52 diamond terran
> 1-based marines
> i'm not quite sure how he got so high in rank
- Terran is NOT easy mode
- Marines are NOT overpowered
- He CLEARLY deserved his rank
- Zerg is EASY MODE because you beat him
^ the actual to the factual
.............oh shit son.................
zerg takes no skill
fuck terran seriously
just lost to a 3 rax stim timing push on ladder lolololol like we've never seen that before
the guy fucking told me i should've 4gated at the end. like 4gate and 3 rax stim push are really anything alike god damn fuck terrans they dont even NEED build orders
citation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93oH6R15neg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93oH6R15neg)
terran players are ALWAYS that happy
Quote from: sevlike 4gate and 3 rax stim push are really anything alike god damn fuck terrans they dont even NEED build orders
damn right
forcefields
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generally, zerg players are pretty chill and will gg but when they do get pissed off they are probably the biggest pricks around
the majority are alright though, i think the entire "zerg players qq" thing is because of a vocal minority on the b.net forums
however protoss players in general are usually stuck-up and arrogant, smack a lot, rarely show any kind of good sportsmanship, and will try to mock you all the time, even when they are losing (probably because they don't even realize what is happening)
jake is kind of a good example of this, because he admitted he has a superiority complex and thinks of most other protoss as inferior, and horst will bitch and cry about other races a LOT
protoss generally get angrier than anyone else when they get rushed, and if i fail my worker rush, say gg and leave for the next game, they are much more likely to message me on b.net and yap about how awesome they are, or tell you how much they hate you for 'not playing the game right' (which is to lose to their shitty 4gate, and if you repel that it's because zerg/terran/another protoss build is overpowered)
i think this is because protoss isn't fun and they like tormenting themselves or something
terrans are generally ok but will cry about getting rushed a lot, however strangely enough the people that lift off and try to fly to islands and shit are actually pretty quiet most of the time, the few exceptions to this (lift off AND smack) are usually silver terrans, or people who main zerg/toss
there was one guy who lifted off a barracks but lost everything else, and wanted to stay in the game to ask about how i pulled off my rush and stuff, and then just left when i answered his questions
players with the siege tank portrait are usually faggots though and are 250% more likely to be jerks than other terran players for some unexplained reason, regardless of what league they are in
random players are kind of hit-and-miss, about 50% genuinely enjoy playing all the races, and the other 50% are portrait farmers, very few are jerks though
there's a small percentage of 'straight' players that hate random players and will actually leave games immediately if their opponent goes random
Quote from: Tron Sawyerhowever protoss players in general are usually stuck-up and arrogant, smack a lot, rarely show any kind of good sportsmanship, and will try to mock you all the time, even when they are losing (probably because they don't even realize what is happening)
jake is kind of a good example of this, because he admitted he has a superiority complex and thinks of most other protoss as inferior
^ this is actually fairly accurate for most protoss, but in my case, i wouldn't use "stuck-up" and "arrogant". i am very ragey, but that's more attributable to my style of play and small faults in my play that cause me to lose. if i win a game, it's like okay cool. if i lose a game in which i played my best to a decent player it's like okay cool. but if i lose a game because of a dumb macro/micro blunder, THAT shit pisses me off, and more often than not, it only results in me being angry at myself for doing something dumb, rather than anyone else. i do hate losing to many things on a list of what i'd like to call "gay shit", but i think everyone has a "gay shit" list they hate losing to regardless of race
however in the case of most protoss, the majority i've met on ladder are fucking ASSHOLES. aside from not glhfing or gging (i at least gg and when im in the mood, glhf), i've had more protoss IM me after a game to gloat about their victory than any other race. i think that's because most protoss are faggots who can't macro and rush/4-gate (incorrectly btw) every game to victory and cry when their all-ins (because most protoss rushes are pretty much all-ins, as if you lose your army that early, you're dead, especially if you're rushing an FE) don't work.
otherwise your race assessment actually appears to be pretty accurate. dunno about the higher leagues, apparently a lot of terrans qq more as there are a lot of shit terrans in the high leagues that get stomped by players who know what they're doing and bm because of it. most master league toss i've met seem to be pretty chill but are more inclined to get pissed and experiment with other races or do an entire switch.
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higher leagues are gay as fuck because everyone takes the game seriously
^true for most games
so far that hasn't been the case for me.. yes the game is all about pretty much playing as perfect as you possibly can, but if they lose because of a mistake they'll be a good sport about it and laugh it off in the chat instead of bm'ing like they did in silver
i think the reason why is because bad players don't understand why they might lose a fight, whereas better players can instantly acknowledge they may have done something incredibly stupid and find it funny. i know i do, and it's nice to know why i lose a game because i can learn something from it instead of get mad and play the next game with no focus because i have a bad attitude
ive also found listening to music really helps my mood when i play, and the mood is everything.
^^^^^^^
except somebody has yet to make a good loop of the first minute of 'zerg 1'
i wanted to get into this but for someone who's only had their fun with age of mythology it seems INCREDIBLY complex and time-consuming
pansy
lmao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lKqhYXB5ts
Quote from: sevive also found listening to music really helps my mood when i play, and the mood is everything.
I'm telling you, it's all about industrial techno and power metal
you guys get mad at games when you lose ha ha
Quote from: nonzopyou guys get mad at games when you lose ha ha
Quote from: rtilit's nice to know why i lose a game because i can learn something from it instead of get mad
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make emote immediately
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no
Quote from: rtilQuote from: nonzopyou guys get mad at games when you lose ha ha
Quote from: rtilit's nice to know why i lose a game because i can learn something from it instead of get mad
i just fought a bronze protoss player and HE WASN'T A HUGE ASSHOLE!! HOLY SHIT
but as it turned out he mains zerg
we talked a bunch and i gave him some tips
mostly basic shit like don't make stalkers vs marauders and thors
shia, sev, cipher and me against 4 gays: http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4669 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4669)
that was the most fun game i've ever played. Amazing micro by sev (using our units), incredible infestor use by cipher, extreme muta-pump from me and yuki supporting really nicely with great unit compositions
ps. silver league, bitches
i just hit 500 total wins out of 972 games, and evened out my 1v1 w/l ratio, by foxer rushing and 7pool all-inning (fuck protoss)
foxer rushing fucking rocks btw
doesn't doing the same thing every game get boring
Quote from: rtildoesn't doing gay shit every game get boring
Quote from: rtildoesn't doing the same thing every game get boring
I play random though, I literally never do the same thing every game unless i get Zerg on Steppes of War.
It could be argued that you fags do the same thing every game when you just macro up and spend 20-40 minutes cleaning up a mess, rushing is a part of the game and blitzing a few people on the ladder can yield some pretty silly results.
I generally just probe rush as Protoss because Protoss isn't fun. I did a longer game as toss, which I lost, but I had a Carrier with 76 kills so it was k.
Quote from: Tron SawyerQuote from: rtildoesn't doing the same thing every game get boring
It could be argued that you fags do the same thing every game when you just macro up and spend 20-40 minutes cleaning up a mess
ideally i wouldn't want every game to last that long, so no not really
and i was under the impression you worker rushed every game since that's all you seem to talk about
no, the worker rushes are fun though because people get so immensely angry when it works
not my fault people don't know how to a-move in gold/plat
i can't find a fitting thread for this so i might as well put that here
rtil i will beat u
lmfao
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that's rude
motherfucking rocks
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what the fucking hell it's pitting me against platinum and diamond players now and they still die to fucking worker rushing WTF
my glorious plans for silver league domination have backfired horrendously
fuck this i'm just gonna join and leave games until i'm in fucking bronze this is retarded
GLORIOUS VICTORY I GOT DEMOTED TO SILVER AFTER LEAVING 40 GAMES IN A ROW
...HELP MY W/L RATIO IS SHIT NOW
you did it! you're the best!
lmao i left one game where i was slighty favored and got demoted to BRONZE
not too worried about it most of these guys are absolutely awful
bronze players are actually way better than silver/gold/plat/diamond at stopping cheese, i guess they just always expect it
7pooling does great against terrans though since most of them are slower and don't get their walls up in time
cheese league
Quote from: rtilcheese league
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look at all the gay faces
40-minute game against two guys that expanded once each this has BRONZE written all over it
lmao all you basically need to do is attacking an expansion with an army + 1 infestor, then warp in a nexus, build a worker, warp in a nexus in your base and you can chronoboost your zerg buildings. Very nice shit imo!
yeah but utterly pointless since it will cost you 850 minerals just for the benefit of chronoboost, you might as well make more evolution chambers and some slings
also ewww my 1v1 division is called "hanson xi" so very gross now i have true motivation to blitz more fags and get to silver
my gold 2v2 division is the best, "auriga alpha"
Quote from: Tron Sawyeryeah but utterly pointless since it will cost you 850 minerals just for the benefit of chronoboost, you might as well make more evolution chambers and some slings
never said it was convenient. It's just fun to see it working. Also roaches+DT=pretty damn good.
dt > roaches for harass
then again you can get a lot of roaches, much faster
if only roaches were permanently cloaked
well they can burrow which is kind of like a permanent cloak
except it requires research but that's k every zerg unit can do it
blue flame hellion drop?
np burrow drones, which will make his harass ineffective, or use a scan
actually that got me thinking, i know hellion splash affects cloaked units, but does it affect burrowed as well?
MUST TEST
i'm sure it does
and roaches need 3 upgrades to be effective. burrow, tunneling claws and glial reconstitution
yeah hellions roast burrowed shit
also the roach upgrades are fine because roaches only cost 25 gas, are pretty sturdy, and work as part of your standard army composition, while dark templar don't really do shit as part of a larger army because they are slow melee units and have poor health as well as costing tons more gas
also the dark shrine takes forever to build
Quote from: Tron Sawyeryeah hellions roast burrowed shit
i have told you that before actually. So just put your blueflame hellions at the back of the mineral line and attack the hatchery from there, several drones will go down that way as well.
also, DT's in a large protoss army would do good imo, especially if you mix them into void rays, cause people would just take down the voidrays not really expecting there to be DTs as well.
i wasn't comparing roaches to dark templar lmao
i was saying roaches are just ok units until you get 3 upgrades for them which don't come until lair
well a lot of zerg don't even bother getting burrow
speed upgrade is the only real 'must' for the roach
also apparently hydras off creep run at the same pace as terran bio, so even though they're slow by zerg standards they're not TOO bad
i wonder if its possible to stutterstep with hydras
actually no it isn't they have a slight attack animation delay, same as the stalker
oh well i got some wins today considering how i had like 40 more losses than wins and i've narrowed it down to 16 i'm doing pretty good
most zerg SHOULD get burrow because the speed upgrade isn't the only "must" for the roach, as burrow + tunneling claws enables fast healing and moving while burrowed, plus your infestors can burrow + move and on that note without an upgrade. not to mention all the other tricks you can pull off with burrow
not taking advantage of the roaches ability to quickly regenerate is stupid, the only excuse not to is if your economy is too tight
and the reason why the hydra is considered slow is because it doesn't keep up with the other ground forces off creep. it's not part of the terran army so that point is irrelevant
nah burrow can be used for some fancy shit but the speed upgrade is necessary for mobility so they can respond and react better, and get to where you want them in time, unless the game is really long you won't need the tunneling claws since they don't really move at an ideal pace while burrowed, it's only really good for ambushes but it's only going to work once before the other guy gets mobile detection
and yeah the hydra is not part of the terran army but it's still not horrifyingly slow considering how many units actually fall behind the rest in other armies if you just a-move, like thors, immortals and sentries (and god forbid, high templar), as well as the units that will end up running in front and getting killed first if not properly managed like hellions and speedlings and possibly also colossi since they just step over stuff, at least hydras are kind of supposed to stay behind the roaches and not get horribly killed while immortals need to be in front to actually tank damage but this is hard to achieve since they are slow and have crappy range, so if they end up in the back or get flanked they won't actually do anything
also hydras run like drug-addicted africans on creep which is funny and contaminate is a badass ability
high templar are assholes btw they're like LOOK AT ME I CAN FLY REALLY SLOW and just hover over the ground instead of just getting the leg upgrade like zealots and running around fucking everywhere jesus why are all the portraits i'm going to be unlocking soon fucking protoss
i get tunneling claws not so much for the ability to move while burrowed but mostly for the faster regen, in which the healing actually outpaces a lot of AOE damage (like psi storm)
and moving while burrowed is actually really great not just for ambushing but also for running away
while hydras are great on creep, the fact of the matter is the units are basically glass cannons that are so handicapped they're mostly situational. i mean they need a 150/150 upgrade to bring their range from 5 to 6. keep in mind marines have a range of 5 (6 while in a bunker), vikings have a range of 9 and thor AA has a range of 10.
they are nice tanking units but they're definitely not the core of the zerg army anymore, and they're practically useless in zvt.
i think the reason they nerfed hydras is because the sound they made while attacking in SC1 was so obnoxious
but it was still better than the one they use now
they were good before because there was no such thing as hellions, banelings or colossi, and zerg had dark swarm which was the infinite-energy equivalent of PDDs except it affected everything that didn't do splash
also i completed the last stupid mission on brutal so i got my shitty kerrigan portrait which i will never use
got the medic portrait and hit 2900 achievement points
unlocked the phoenix, hydra, and high templar
got promoted to gold, smurfed back down to bronze
almost unlocked the siege tank too
getting 8 solo wins and 8 team wins every day until i get my void ray and mohandar portraits at the exact same time
also working on moving up to plat. gold sucks
i'm 8 and 3 tonight with a win-loss ratio of 162 to 121 :}
Quote from: sevi'm 8 and 3 tonight with a win-loss ratio of 162 to 121 :}
I was like that too and then when I hit plat it evened out to 50/50 way too fast.... probably still dropping too.
aw I made myself depressed
i have a horrible w/l because i threw tons of games to get to bronze
i need to win a few and forfeit a little less to balance it out
but it shouldn't be too hard to eventually even it out
they call me the HIGH templar
420
me, sev and mootspy just got 5 wins in a row in our placement matches, earning me the hot shot feat of strength and placing us in platinum
yeh...
i also played random every game and only got zerg/toss and did alright so i might start up doing random in team games again
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hahaha genius
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from a 3v3 with sev and rtil
lmfao damn
like a deadly green landmine
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do the creep
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HAAAAAAAAAW
Is it strange that the thing most bothers me about this picture is 3 idle workers?
what's bothering me is 3.5k minerals and 1.6k gas unspent
what's bothering me is who the fuck plays zerg on desert oasis fuck that map
me and kavinel started scv/marine rushing in 2v2
in one evening we went from silver to diamond with 28 wins to 10 losses
most of our losses were to roach rushing zerg and a few master league players
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i watched a game with darkaruki where he expanded and stuff and crushed the other guy straight-up
it still sucked because it was a pvp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-3ZrXOrz_0
On August 10 2010 05:46 CrunkOwns wrote:
I played a guy last night who went 1 base roaches + speedlings vs. me as terran. He went for a fast nydus into the back of my base. I had like 5 tanks and lots of marauders down by my natural, and I COULD NOT get them to go up the ramp and attack. I was like wtf is this bullshit my units are glitched. Turns out he had a changeling blocking my ramp that I didn't notice lol.
using changelings to block the ramp
awesome idea
noted
please note: only morons will fall for that
Glad to see im not the only one following LagTV
I won finally. But it didn't help the protoss player cheesed the wrong base.
It actually looked like that video, I watched the replay and he built a warpgate/pylon/cannon at an empty base and I won with 3 banshee.
But this is a big win to me due to losing to worker rush and other early attacks.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4841 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4841)
lol yep that guy totally fucked up that cheese. i saw you online tonight and tried to invite you to a game but i think you were already in a lobby cuz i think it auto rejected. you should play with us and we can give you tips on how to improve also, have you tried playing protoss or zerg yet? they are both very different but might suit your playstyle. it takes a couple dozen plays as each race to really decide your favorite though. or you can go random like some people
It might of auto rejected while I was playing the campaign. Did you change your character name? I try putting rtil 869 but it says friend not found?
Still trying other races haven't really seen much what they can do. Kind of used to making scourge,lurkers and other missing units.
Quote from: CrabarmsIt might of auto rejected while I was playing the campaign. Did you change your character name? I try putting rtil 869 but it says friend not found?
Still trying other races haven't really seen much what they can do. Kind of used to making scourge,lurkers and other missing units.
yeah his new name is DMrtil, not sure if the character code is still the same tho
..yeah all those who changed their name should probably upload the new one in that other thread
oops. my new add info is DMrtil:479
no FAKERZ allowed...
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why 0 points? last placement?
yeah we did placement because sev didn't want anything below silver on his profile even though imo plat/silver looks way better than bronze/gold
3000 achievement points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1MmNcopfSw
i saw that earlier and was contemplating posting it
the one with the ling/drone/corruptor vs zealot baserace was crazier but still a pretty silly turn-around
i don't think hannibal would have scanned the ramp even if he could, it's kind of unexpected
for a korean (i think he was korean?) hannibal is kind of a JERK for not gg'ing when his shit got messed up
i wonder if it would have made a difference if he had microed his tanks a little, run em into a corner so the lings couldn't get a surround
it was really close either way
how can corruptors take part in a base race
corruption on the zealot to make the broodlings do more damage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOY2ve7zHb4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOY2ve7zHb4) there we go
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played this shit da other day
i suck complete dick but i enjoyed it! lagged like a motherfucker tho
Quote from: Tron Sawyercorruption on the zealot to make the broodlings do more damage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOY2ve7zHb4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOY2ve7zHb4) there we go
oh ive seen that
pretty funny but takes way too long
Quote from: nonzopplayed this shit da other day
i suck complete dick but i enjoyed it! lagged like a motherfucker tho
well we all did when we started
do you have the gfx all on low
did a 5-0 4v4 placement with sev, shadorunner and mootspy
went random, got zerg and massed 3-3 roaches
destroyed
Quote from: Tron Sawyerdid a 5-0 4v4 placement with sev, shadorunner and mootspy
went random, got zerg and massed 3-3 roaches
destroyed
So you landed in plat I assume? Getting a solid rank in 4v4 is retardly annoying to do, so grats if you did.
Also fuck I miss this game already, even though it's only one day I haven't played at all... won't be on much for 3 more weeks.
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i suck complete dick but i enjoyed it! lagged like a motherfucker tho
neato, you'll get better as time goes by
also, even tho my computer can handle good gfx i set them to low cause idc what the game looks like i just like to play it smoothly
Despite my bad win/lose ratio I'm getting better.
Should of expanded a bit more/ saturated minerals better.
Extractors kind of got messed up while I was scouting.
Still learning to use banelings, I now know I should send more units with it.
Sent a few broodlords to their death but next time I would bring muta's with it. (also have the corrupter change into broodlord near base).
Did nothing with my infestors but I thought I could send some corrupted terrans over the edge, but I needed vision to send them up there.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/player.php?f=4873 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/player.php?f=4873)
Quote from: CipherQuote from: Tron Sawyerdid a 5-0 4v4 placement with sev, shadorunner and mootspy
went random, got zerg and massed 3-3 roaches
destroyed
So you landed in plat I assume? Getting a solid rank in 4v4 is retardly annoying to do, so grats if you did.
Also fuck I miss this game already, even though it's only one day I haven't played at all... won't be on much for 3 more weeks.
yeah we landed plat but i was already diamond in random 4s
Quote from: CrabarmsDespite my bad win/lose ratio I'm getting better.
Should of expanded a bit more/ saturated minerals better.
Extractors kind of got messed up while I was scouting.
Still learning to use banelings, I now know I should send more units with it.
Sent a few broodlords to their death but next time I would bring muta's with it. (also have the corrupter change into broodlord near base).
Did nothing with my infestors but I thought I could send some corrupted terrans over the edge, but I needed vision to send them up there.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/player.php?f=4873 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/player.php?f=4873)
you were way better than that guy - you could have won a lot earlier. there's a lot of stuff you can improve on.. do you have skype? it'd be cool to obs a game and tell you things along the way as you're playing. i could teach you a lot that way a lot faster.
also
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SOMEBODY got pwned by a mexican 4gate
which is almost like a normal 4gate except preceded and followed up by that horrible obnoxious jajajajajajajajajaja spam spics do all the damn time
i can understand the immense anger in the heart of the person who was subjected to this
so all you zerg mastas out there
what is the best way to deal with asshole protoss
especially the queer 4gating kind
slings vs roach?
my normal protoss opener does well against 4 gate, but you still have to be very careful
14 gas
14 pool
16 queen
18 roach warren
18 evo +1 carapace
21 hatch
you can play it safe and lay some spines down at your natural, or use those resources for more units instead. if he's going more zealot heavy, get more roaches. if there's more stalkers, get more slings
however if a pylon goes down somewhere close by and you're barely hanging on, you'll probably still lose
4 gate is just really strong no matter what league you're in
yeah i was doing 15hatch for more early larvae and got overwhelmed by stalkers, and didn't have a lot of lings
it should be stoppable i just don't have enough experience doing it
Make sure you overlord scout a little early too, most pros usually do it around around the 7 or 8 min mark, but I think it's better to do it around 5 or 6. Keep in mind though sometimes you'll see a few gateways, your overlord will get killed, you prep for 4gate and it turns out to be 3gate robo, and that sucks.
OL scouting takes too long. By that time I can get lair and an overseer and just scoot in and out and be like "fuck u ima fucken overseer", which is good anyway in case of some DT rushing bullshit. Plus good 4gates hit before the 6 minute mark I believe?
typical 4 gate is ~5:40
i like to send my first OL to a corner of the P base and move it in right after 5 mins in a single movement that will grant me the most vision and see possible hidden tech. believe it or not you can actually rally your first OL all the way around to the other side of a P base in scrap station and when it finally gets there there will still be some time left before your actual scout.
they are slow as shit, but you have plenty of time to fly it to a discreet corner in time for the first scout.
you will definitely lose the OL though, so don't get supply blocked.
vs P you usually get to see enough info. vs T, marine usually kills the OL before it can see anything of value. you can always poke some slings around, too.
Had a very close match, made a very big mistake. Was very over confident that I could just use zerglings and banelings to kill terran. Just skipped upgrades, but he just made tons of marines and was getting some medivacs. Luckily I decided to get a third expansion, got some hydras and mutas. But as he had a huge marine army he went past mine. Could of easily killed it but he took the route with rocks and just missed it.
Got raped by 6 pool one game, but I think next time to counter is to just have a spine crawler. If there's a better way would be happy to know.
also let a protoss expand (was really close to destroying his main) but I didn't have my zerglings all over the map so he recovered with like 3 bases.
6 pool and various zerg all-ins are not very easy to deal with. by the time you scout them with your normal 10 supply drone, it's already too late to react with similar aggression if you're opening standard (and you should). however, you can beat them with drones - you just need to be really careful with how you use the drones that you have.
unless you're on a map with an incredibly short rush distance, you should have about 15 drones by the time the 6 lings are in your base.
here are two replays of me beating an even scarier ZvZ rush, the 10-pool ling spinecrawler rush. one guy even sends all of his drones. i hold him back with ONLY drones.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4884 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4884)
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4883 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=4883)
how you do it is to get all your drones in a ball and get them away from your mineral line so they have lots of open room to fight. you right-click move your drones to get the best surround you can on the zerglings, and then a-move somewhere on the ground. your drones will begin attacking the lings and kill them very quickly.
after you fend something like this off, you should be in the lead economically. if you lost some drones it's ok - get back to decent mining capacity, get ling speed, and hit back when you have a decent army. you will almost always win if the all-in fails, it's very damaging economically.
Quote from: rtilyou will almost always win if the all-in fails, it's very damaging economically.
not only that, most people don't know what to do after their all-in fails and some of them even quit after that. Had that happen to me a lot of times already.
lost a ZvT because I tried to engage mmm with sling/bling off creep
rolled again and got the same guy, another ZvT, and won because i spread creep better, made more banelings and waited for his force to come to me
yeh...
you can beat mmm off creep
just don't waste banelings on marauders
once the slings get a surround the mm gets stuck
marine + tank is way worse imo, esp off creep
Quote from: Tron Sawyerlost a ZvT because I tried to engage mmm with sling/bling off creep
rolled again and got the same guy, another ZvT, and won because i spread creep better, made more banelings and waited for his force to come to me
yeh...
with centrifugal hooks and enough banelings it's doable off creep
also i consider tanks to be pretty easy to deal with if you have a few zerglings
Quote from: psiwith centrifugal hooks and enough banelings it's doable off creep
also i consider tanks to be pretty easy to deal with if you have a few zerglings
yeah i had hooks but i had way too few banelings and he just kited them and killed most without taking any damage
he also didn't use tanks, he just one-based MMM... which honestly wasn't too hard to deal with, i just fucked up
tanks aren't dangerous until somebody gets a lot of them, they're not mobile like colossi are so lone tanks really just slow the rest of the army down
i wanna make more corruptors and overseers, they're pretty much my favorite new zerg units
roach/corruptor is badass
nerz
stir fry craft
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJbAT1wzS8U
you know that queer lion thing with the scorp tail looks like one of the critters in WoW
SUUUURE it could be some mythological stuff
but let's face it
whoever made this mind-numbing series probably pulls their dicky to dancing elves and shit EVERY NIGHT
hit 50 team zerg and 780 total wins
crazy shit ass 3v3 game as random with random fags
810 wins, went marine/scv rushing with lander and sev
I had a dream that I was playing a 1v1 with Sev and I was trying to neural parasite his mothership but the button wouldn't work.
Then one of my expos just flat out disappeared
Isn't that interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5rpY7JKAaQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AC1p0wkpfM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mECdES52F_Q
^started listening to this instead of just the SC1 terran music
yeh...
Quote from: CipherI had a dream that I was playing a 1v1 with Sev and I was trying to neural parasite his mothership but the button wouldn't work.
Then one of my expos just flat out disappeared
Isn't that interesting.
i will admit i have had dreams about starcraft as well
don't remember what happened in any of them though
Quote from: rtilQuote from: CipherI had a dream that I was playing a 1v1 with Sev and I was trying to neural parasite his mothership but the button wouldn't work.
Then one of my expos just flat out disappeared
Isn't that interesting.
i will admit i have had dreams about starcraft as well
don't remember what happened in any of them though
i had a dream that i was in a 1v1 with rtil where i was SO CLOSE to winning then fuck all a 150 baneling army came out of no where and disintegrated everything
then rtil popped out of my screen and made the 'does this look unsure to you' face
Had a weird ZVZ.
The guy had the baneling portrait so I thought he might have a bit more experience then me so I was a bit cautious.
He walls off his base with evolution chambers and had no expansion. I thought he might of hid one somewhere so I took a bunch of zerglings and spread them all over the map to find nothing. The zerglings I put near his ramps weren't hit so I made a few overseers for each base and sent one down to them just in case he got tunneling claws/burrow. Then I was shocked his whole army consisted of 6 roaches and 6 hydras. My broodlords sweep in and kills him. I could of killed him early on with a few zergs all I needed to really do was just destroy one evo run away for a bit then kill his queen and some of the roaches he had.
basically you have a shitty dick mmr and you get pitted against people who are fucking terrible
or maybe he was just drunk/high/let his younger siblings play
WHO KNOWS
sounds like he should be playing terran instead
tbf he must have been real quick to spread creep all the way over to the ramp and wall it off with evo chambers before crabs got his lings out
Quote from: Tron Sawyerbasically you have a shitty dick mmr and you get pitted against people who are fucking terrible
or maybe he was just drunk/high/let his younger siblings play
WHO KNOWS
to my knowledge there actually are bronze players with more than 2000 games played, so its only plausible that they would, at some point, reach good avatars but still suck ass.
i wonder how you cant improve after so many games tho
also walling off your first expansion with evo chambers on shakuras plateu is somewhat of an okay thing to do but seeing as that map is probably off the rotation now and that guy walled in his first base my argument here is irrelevant
the people like that are mostly portrait farmers who don't actually try to get better at the game
Quote from: rtilthe people like that are mostly portrait farmers who don't actually try to get better at the game
why would you play a game that you could enjoy when your only goal is to get portraits
i will never understand these people
they follow the same logic as achievement whores on steam/xbox/etc
OR MAYBE SOME OF US JUST DON'T THINK DIAMOND LEAGUE IS FUN WHEN WE CAN PLANETARY FORTRESS RUSH OR PROXY HATCH OR WHATEVER IN BRONZE
new maps kind of ruined everything though
you can just, yknow, check off the new maps. typhon peaks isn't too bad
can't check off enough of them
What he did was build the evo chambers close to his base. He made four of them and did not even upgrade anything. For him to leave his base he had to destroy another one. So really there was 6 evo chambers because I destroyed one.
uh crabs just upload the replay or something
Quote from: Tron Sawyercan't check off enough of them
check off:
backwater gulch
slag pits
delta quadrant
done
uh no
bwg and dq aren't even that bad (though they're both ugly)
slag pits and metalopolis are awful maps, with either really short or really long rush distances
typhon peaks is retarded, it has grass in your main, and it's also too damn huge - but at least it has some real chokes so it's possible to defend expos, unlike shattered temple
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/151859-...rotoss-dig-site (http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/151859-3v3-terran-protoss-dig-site)
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/151858-...-delta-quadrant (http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/151858-1v1-terran-delta-quadrant)
^bronze league r0x
wait actually that reminds me, did you guys ever stream your clanwar or what?
http://www.relentlessheroes.com/content/live-streams (http://www.relentlessheroes.com/content/live-streams)
nvm found it
sev fucked up his DT rush so bad like what the hell yo ;-(
Quote from: Tron Sawyerhttp://www.relentlessheroes.com/content/live-streams (http://www.relentlessheroes.com/content/live-streams)
nvm found it
sev fucked up his DT rush so bad like what the hell yo ;-(
at least i actually play starcraft
you try taking on anyone in rh and see what results you get :3
Quote from: Tron Sawyeruh no
bwg and dq aren't even that bad (though they're both ugly)
slag pits and metalopolis are awful maps, with either really short or really long rush distances
typhon peaks is retarded, it has grass in your main, and it's also too damn huge - but at least it has some real chokes so it's possible to defend expos, unlike shattered temple
how are backwater and delta not bad?
in delta your real natural has rocks on it and a cliff people can land shit on and harass with
your forced natural is near impossible to hold off aggression as zerg against 2 rax and 4 gate unless your opponent is terrible
in backwater your ramp is retardedly huge with 2 extra entrances. every protoss and zerg is forced to rush on it and there's no real 3rd
you probably don't see the imbalances on it because your opponents
are terrible
Going up against better bronze players. Got 4gated still not very good at getting enough roaches/getting spine crawlers in time.
I'm really using my zerglings badly. Not taking the time to run around the map with them and lazily having them as static defense.
Not protecting my natural very well, a lot of times I do see things coming but I never pull the drones off and they get destroyed. Getting used to the idea that Roaches can block the ramp and I should be doing that. Learning some things on what to scout for while in an enemies base such as noticing the energy meter on the nexus, checking for certain buildings or any expansions a lot of my other games I don't really take in on what I see and what I should be doing just only noticing where the enemy is at.
Survived ZvZ, got my natural destroyed among with a queen and a few drones it set me back a lot and it could of been avoided. 10 minutes in I prepared for air attacks, spent too much on spore crawlers and probably could of waited a bit before getting a spire. Eventually there was a few mutas but I was prepared, was able to use the mass that I created to take down his spire, evolution chamber and a queen. Probably should of went for his drones. He pulled half his army back and I was able to easily take the remains. Had time to expand probably should of been sooner but I got upgrades and saw he had hydras so I made a few more roaches. He gave up. Might of been a win for him if he pursued but I was starting to gain an edge on economy and upgrades.
hey how about uploading replays huh those are fun too
24 point wins is unusual to me. Used to get 2-6 if I was earning points. Then when I got a solid win streak it would be like - 18.
if you get a low amount of points for winnings it means you were slightly or straight up favored. a normal ladder match + typical bonus pool point win is ~24 pts.
actually...
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So thats why I won 5 games in a row and only got 2 points all up...
Got this working again at last so if anyone wants to do some 2's, 3's or play a few 1 on 1's i'm game, on Saturdays anyhoo.
season 2 starts today
you get 1 placement match based on your mmr aka you will probably end up in the same league you were in in season 1
Same league indeed.
stop playing starcraft 2 you queers
Get out of our thread Tao
Quote from: rtilseason 2 starts today
i might just start playing again
ZVZ almost lost to a bunch of Mutas. Early on I had a bit more slings then he did but I wanted to pick off workers but got a few taken away I backed off. I put on gas he he had double gas so I was behind in that should of looked for it when I was there. I went roaches encase he tried to attack me. I sent a ling to check for a spire and I found one. I then made an evo chamber and started making spores. It held him off a little and came back with more I droned a bit more to compensate for lost workers. He took out my spire and then retreats. I made a bunch of queens and spread creep a bit and got another expansion. He comes back with banelings and my four roaches prevented a lot of damage that could of been done. I then sent some roaches to counter attack and destroyed his other base with the mutas I made.
Next time I think I should have the spores a bit closer to important structures and have the spire in a safe place. My counterattack could of been a bit better if I commanded it but I hoping to save time and get my economy back up. Maybe could of had an extra queen earlier, if I didn't need it could of sent the next expansion.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=5027 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=5027)
ZVT just bad baneling busts in the beginning. I think attacking from different directions would of been a better decision when fighting his MMM, I just rammed units and lost them. Don't think I picked up baneling speed that probably would of helped. I could of won this one but losing my hive just pretty much made me thought he had more coming and I wouldn't have enough stuff to deal with it even though I had a bunch of mutas. Should of saved infestor energy that would of been a ton of help but I made a bunch of infested terrans and messed with his workers. I also didn't see how many turrets he had, I could of done some drops.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/player.php?f=5028 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/player.php?f=5028)
Probably should be sacking overlords but I just hate using them against Terran and losing it to a marine, but I guess I should think ahead and make another before getting supply blocked.
in the zvz game:
- you are scouting sometimes but not enough. you should always ask yourself this question: "do i know what my opponent is doing?" if the answer is "no", go scout.
- you overreacted to the mutalisks. you do not need that many spores. instead of investing on spore crawlers, get out an army counter for mutas. hydras and infestors are good choices - most especially in that game infestors, since 1 fungal will heavily damage mutas as well as one-shot banelings/zerglings. not only that, but it keeps them stuck in place so other units can do damage without being attacked.
- you had your 2nd base much faster than the other guy, yet he was actually gathering more resources than you because he had better saturation. while a new hatcheries first purpose may be for the extra larva, you also need the extra economy to support the output. you have to drone up whenever possible. don't be afraid to oversaturate your main base so that you can instantly transfer drones to your new base when it is done. you want to have 16 drones on minerals per base.
- if you spawn on close positions, you want to focus on getting zergling speed first. you both finished researching it around the 6 minute mark, which is very late. a good opener for close positions zvz is 9 overlord, 14 gas, 14 pool, 15 overlord, 16 queen. take your drones off gas after the first 100 gas, when your spawning pool finishes you can instantly get metabolic boost AND the queen (if you did it right). from this point on you can make lots of speedlings and start harassing and maybe even finish your opponent off quickly.
- i liked the use of transfuse on a queen during a fight with the mutas. don't forget you can also transfuse buildings - you had a spore that was very low on health. one or two transfuses will put it back to almost full health
and now for the zvt..
- i like the style of early aggression. however, if you want to bust the wall, you need an early baneling nest. don't stop harvesting gas for this. all you need is 6 banelings. what you do is morph the banelings right outside of his base, send the banelings up and have them hit the supply depot. the depot will explode, allowing your lings to run straight up the ramp. you could have easily won that game very early on. focus on the army units first and the production facilities, then turn to the workers. don't forget to keep sending reinforcements as well.
- you were outmacroing the terran the entire game. there was no reason for you to lose this game. i think the biggest issue was that you would attack blindly without knowing what you were running in to. a good thing to do is to send 1 zergling out to the terran base to see what kills it. then you will know a few important things - especially things like base defenses and seiged tanks. the banelings should hit the marines first. the zerglings hit the marauders and the seige tanks. the mutas should stay OUT of the range of marine fire. marines hard counter mutas.
- you can also use mutas to harrass mineral lines. this hit and run style is very effective since the mutalisk is fast and in large numbers do a lot of damage.
- i liked the creative use of infestors, however you don't want to waste all the energy on infested terrans. fungal growth is much better for a few reasons - if you fungal workers, your opponent does not get a warning that their SCV's are under attack. this is a super stealthy way of killing workers. and, fungals do far more damage to MM blobs than infested terrans will. as you noticed, they would kill the infested terran eggs before they hatched.
- don't forget to constantly overlord scout the terran base and production facilities. you will learn critical information from this. this is especially important around the 5 minute mark. you could probably get away with 6 minutes since you are in bronze. but the higher you go, the faster timing pushes come, and the stronger they will become.
overall i think you are definitely improving. but what you really need to work on is droning, creep spread, and injection timings.
bind your queens to a hotkey and practice the method in this video (it involves remapping backspace to spacebar - it's a global hotkey for centering on a main base)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Ey6LeC4Ds
and you should have an extra queen or two for creep spread. you can spread creep amazingly fast with a dedicated creep queen.
Think I got a better understanding of that inject method down. I was letting shift V go then just pushing v then clicking to inject then pushing space causing my queens to run all over the place.
Will try that out in my next games, thanks for the advice.
the method is prone to having queens run around if a base is empty. there's a way to fix that and it involves remapping the hotkey for cycling through hotkeyed units, but in my opinion it's not 100% accurate when going cycling through the hatcheries and you should have a queen at each hatch anyway.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/console/ (http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/console/) god i love blizzard
april fools is dumb
i spent all yesterday yelling at some kids who were like I HAVE CANCER... LOL APRIL FOOLS or MY PARENTS DIED IN A FIRE... ROFL PWNED APRIL FOOLS
the claw brood decal is pretty cool
next objective is to get the colossus before jake so i can mock him
a worthy cause
i am the fucking banshee half my portrait is covered in breasts
also templar caste
and ghost + queen
when will you your thirst for portrait farming be quenched
when i run out of portraits to farm
and when i can use the dominion decal
uehwhehehahehehaheheha
http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/race/all/1 (http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/race/all/1)
terran is the least played in plat+ now
gay maps
most of the maps aren't so bad for terran, i'd say the drops in terran play have more to do with all the terran nerfs and the recent infestor buff
'buff' pffft dontcha mean 'hey we took psistorm away from protoss and gave it to zerg also you can't run away'
not that buffing infestors is such a bad thing in itself but it was kind of a weird way to go about it
i also doubt it has anything to do with zerg itself but the influx of zerg/macro-favored maps
and the fact that they are all fucking immensely massive continents now
* protoss can't get bumrushed as easily, so they can macro up their deathballs
* zerg can't get bumrushed as easily, so they can FE every game
* terran lost the majority of map features that favored them in the first place (cliff placement, islands, etc)
also the units that could truly abuse these features (tanks and reapers) were both nerfed very heavily early on, with reapers being near extinct now since they suck and can only work on very specific maps, and tanks were always GAY anyway since they have to remain stationary and have an obnoxious asshole faggot driver
terran is strongest early game, and weakest later on, which is why big maps are bad for terran
MMM with ghosts and vikings is the most mobile terran can get, and thus pretty much the only viable option on big maps - but MM sucks lategame and gets stomped by forcefield/colossus/templar or infestor/baneling, which forces non-stop harass to have even the slightest chance of staying competetive against worthwhile players
it also requires assloads of micro to effectively use ghosts in conjunction with MMM since you already have to account for medivacs in seperate control groups and focus-firing down shit in addition to making sure the vikings are not pissing around
in other words, fuck high-level play, i want to make fucking thors with cool decals on them and not
GIVE OF SHIT! - levon 2010
also char brood is a pretty alright decal i like it more than mar sara or hybrids
claw brood is still the best though
psi storm does 80 damage while fungal does something like 36 (46 to armored). the damage is guaranteed because of the lock-down, though, so that's something to consider. i like the new fungal and the dps really helps in combat situations which are very fast paced. the bonus armor damage also makes fungal useful vs protoss and terran mech. the infestor is still incredibly fragile because it didn't get an HP boost, so i think it was a fair trade. if they had kept the missile cast in everyone would simply learn how to dodge it (they already were in PTR). we only have one true caster and before the patch it was kind of a joke to invest in bar zvz.
i still don't think the map pool is not so bad for terran. let's look at the maps -
scrap station. breaking down the rocks leads to an easy path to the opponent and is a nice choke for terran to seige up. high ground leading to the 2nd on the main path is a good choke which can be walled off and tanks on the high ground. short air rush distance for banshees, and an island expansion (always terran friendly).
xel'naga caverns. probably the most balanced map i think everyone can agree on this.
delta quadrant. most people have this map checked off. i hate it. any good P or T will cut off the impossible to defend wide open early natural. takes forever for creep to get there.
shattered temple. easy 3rd for any race. close positions is almost auto-win for terran on 2 rax.
slag pits. uh.... i have this map checked off. never played a terran on it. i'd probably 1-base all-in every terran on this map. not a macro map at all. rush distances shorter than steppes.
backwater gulch. shitty, non-macro map that encourages rush play. horrible natural.
typhon. definitely a macro map. plenty of chokes and high ground for terran to abuse. just dont' engage in the middle.
shakuras. side positions for terran is excellent for 2 rax/bunker rush. really hard for z to defend.
tal'darim. also a macro map, but side positions is great for terran. marine/tank is really good on this map and it's easy to keep a zerg contained to their 2nd and 3rd, and the 3rd has rocks on it.
it shouldn't be easy to kill zerg so effortlessly at the beginning of a game when they FE vs protoss or terran because zerg is designed to FE, they have to be a base ahead to survive. setting up their natural should be possible. offensive bunkering and 2 rax are still viable play, but they should not be game enders. that's almost effortless play from a terran killing a zerg who is doing everything they can to try and stop it. forcing 1-base all-in play is not something every player is interested in, which is why most zergs have slag, backwater and delta checked off.
i've played terrans in long macro games in diamond and many of them are quite capable of staying competitive in the late stages of a game. i think what separates them from the ones who think late game terran is weak is that they keep building production facilities, and by the end they'll have something like 15-20 rax, 5-6 factories and starports, being able to reinforce a lot quicker than the ones who forgot to keep building them.
fungal never was supposed to do a lot of damage though, it holds stuff in place for something else to kill it off or to just delay it from getting too close, like i said it was a weird buff to the infestor which doesn't feel right at all
anyway 'excellent for 2rax' is a bad criteria for any map, but it doesn't matter since there are so many bad and ugly maps
shattered is not easy for anyone, it is zerg-favored because it's so open speedling runbys are easy especially vs protoss
it's also ugly, just like slag, bwg and tal'darim
it's monstrous that they were too lazy to make their own maps decent and instead added a third party map which is just as ugly
but hey what do i care, 1v1 is for farming portraits and nothing else, team games are where it's at
using it to hold things in place was how people used it in the past because that's all it was good for
now it has the added benefit of high dps, which makes it a more effective spell
if you're still using it just to hold things in place, you're using it incorrectly
the infestor now plays a crucial role in every matchup, and i think that's important
and i'm not saying 2 rax is good criteria for a map. my point was that terrans can still 2 rax on almost every map provided the conditions are correct
and shattered is not zerg favored unless the zerg spawned cross or top/down. that being said it's really the only "zerg favored" map
PEOPLE STILL PLAY THIS SHITTY GAME
have you played it?
TAO WHAT DID I TELL YOU
Quote from: rtilusing it to hold things in place was how people used it in the past because that's all it was good for
now it has the added benefit of high dps, which makes it a more effective spell
It was all it was
intended to do. Psistorm has high DPS, EMP removes a certain amount of energy, and fungal keeps stuff in place for banelings or whatever else. Now it overlaps with psistom, except it is better since you can't run away from it.
then they obviously don't intend it to be used like that anymore. i don't really care, i like it better the way it is now. still, storm does twice as much damage if it is not dodged.
but that's why i'm saying it's a weird way to 'buff' the infestor, if anything the effect should last longer or something, since it used to be a more unique ability, and with the HT nerf it reeks of FOTM bullshit
http://www.youtube.com/user/Automaton2000Micro (http://www.youtube.com/user/Automaton2000Micro)
if the effect lasted longer people would start comparing it to the forcefield, only you're blocking the pathing of units with other units. it would be relatively useless for zerg. it's fine
the KA nerf was too excessive. if warp-in storm was a problem, storm should have a cooldown on warp
Quote from: rtilthe KA nerf was too excessive. if warp-in storm was a problem, storm should have a cooldown on warp
yeah ive been saying this too, nerf colo not templar
lmfao holy shit
so i was playing 1v1 obs on metolopolis or whatever that map is called and i was matched up with this gay big mouthed protoss player named "ugh". I beat him and after the game i checked his profile and it said that protoss is his main and that he's a rank 80 master league player lmfao
that just made my day
replay?
it was a 1v1 obs on metalopolis so it's pretty fucking long, if you want to i can post it thought.
i also watched coLRyze, VPCursed and Mormonstang play some games yesterday (ryze and stang being GM league and cursed being master i think)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lTd5LpB6Ao
Its nice to be out of bronze.
I hate close position metalopolis, had 3 phoenixs just kill my queen then overlords and got supply capped.
Quote from: CrabarmsI hate close position metalopolis, had 3 phoenixs just kill my queen then overlords and got supply capped.
If you're a macro player you are probably going to hate it even more when you get in the higher leagues
Quote from: CrabarmsI hate close position metalopolis, had 3 phoenixs just kill my queen then overlords and got supply capped.
try and squeeze in a 3rd queen early on if you weren't able to scout their opening. 3 gate stargate can be easily stopped with mass queen + 2 base econ for pumping out speedling. and if you're close positions, you can keep a lot of pressure on their natural and probably end the game early.
but if they're far away, just forget about the pressure. macro up like crazy and kill them asap. otherwise they'll get their deathball going since they already have the starport, and if they max out on that you're pretty much fucked unless you have crazy good micro and the perfect unit comp.
LF people who still play team games
i like to play team games sometimes
im down for team games when im online
i like to play team games ALL the time
as long as like
1: the team is moderately competent
2: it isn't my fault when we lose!!!
I always do at least one 3v3 a day, but I'd down playing without random retards sometimes
me, poogs and vacuity are masters in 3v3 now LOL...
some replays to share with you all:
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/25-04-11/2...S-Whorning.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/25-04-11/25618-DMrtil-VS-Whorning.html) ZvP vs cannon opening
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/01-05-11/2...tressedOut.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/01-05-11/25619-DMrtil-VS-StressedOut.html) ZvP vs 3 gate expo
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/01-05-11/2...l-VS-Savvy.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/01-05-11/25620-DMrtil-VS-Savvy.html) ZvZ .. really good game that ends in a rage quit
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/03-05-11/2...-VS-DMrtil.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/03-05-11/25621-MohuRaN-VS-DMrtil.html) ZvZ another great game showing hatch first baneling to roach transition
no good ZvT's because i hardly ever run into T players, and when i do i have so little T practice now that i lose
in any case, sc-replay.com is awesome and enjoy the replays
starcat 2
i guess while we're sharing sc-replay links, this is the only one i ever uploaded. it was when i was quite a bit worse than i am now, but i still thought it was cool.
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/01-04-11/2...1#s_upgrades_gd (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/01-04-11/24086-DMsev-VS-MaestroJ.html?justUp=1#s_upgrades_gd)
i opened with a void ray bust (3 gate stargate) but for some reason i saw like 10 marines, derped and turned around in fear, but then realized with all of those marines, he's probably teching if he hadn't expanded yet, so i made some phoenix and sure enough, banshees, so i only pumped out of 2 of the gates and only made phoenix, and the build basically turned into a 2 gate stargate. i got an expansion up at the same time as a 2 gate robo but i punished the terran for teching and got a faster expo up than him.
after the game he said i was one of the best toss he'd ever played and he never gets hard-countered like that, claiming to have roughly a 90% winrate against protoss. i thought that was kind of funny
Quote from: rtil catno good ZvT's because i hardly ever run into T players, and when i do i have so little T practice now that i lose
this means one of two things
you either vetoed all the maps the remaining terrans are desperately clinging onto
or z/p are overpowered
also 3/3 mech is a thing of beauty
Quote from: Tron SawyerQuote from: rtil catno good ZvT's because i hardly ever run into T players, and when i do i have so little T practice now that i lose
this means one of two things
you either vetoed all the maps the remaining terrans are desperately clinging onto
or z/p are overpowered
i don't think it means either of those things
players are matched up before a map is chosen and there may just be a lack of terrans in my MMR range
terran is underrepresented in diamond, but that doesn't require that Z or P be OP, but instead that less people are playing terran
clearly it means that the terrans are all copying sinitron, their incredibly cool lord and savior and deciding diamond is for sissies.
hey sev nice stripes
they look sexy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHFLwvETjGA
terrans are the least played race from platinum and up, and is about to be overtaken by zerg in gold which will make it the least played race in everything but silver and bronze according to sc2ranks
also, protoss briefly outnumbered terran in bronze as well
thors are getting nerfed btw by getting their energy bar back because nobody uses HT in PvT anymore and apparently it's balanced out by ghosts being slightly cheaper on gas... but why bother teching to T3 Terran when all of it gets countered by one unit? feedback works on ghosts too... and ravens, banshees, medivacs and battlecruisers. so now 250 cannons will be worthless again and thors won't have any use against protoss at all anymore except for like busting down forcefields or weird mass-sentry builds, which is dumb anyway when tanks can just shoot over them and hellions roast sentries too.
it's fine for BCs since their ability is actually good either way, and can hit any unit... so pre-emptively feedbacking or EMPing them is cool, but thors? at best they can fuck up an immortal or two (which die to marines or even mass hellions anyway, but that's a problem with the immortals themselves), fuck anything that is a nerf to mech, it's already harder to pull off compared to the gay stimmed mmm bullshit everyone relies on I DON'T WANT TO MAKE FUCKING MARINES
yeah terrans are the least played race in diamond/masters, but not by a ridiculous margin or anything. the only time that happened was in the early stages of the game when zerg made up something like 18% of players
also mech is very strong. i don't htink it needs to be nerfed but it's very very powerful, at least vs zerg
zerg would be completely unaffected by the thor nerf though since zerg has like no units that it actually does anything to - ultras ignore the stun, queens are cheap and infestors have lousy health... everything else is fodder and dies before the damage kicks in
that was why they removed the energy in the first place, it's just pointless except for busting PFs most of the time, and even then tanks would do the exact same thing just cheaper
thors are only good for splash against clumped up mass air units, against magic-boxed mutas ghosts with snipe are better and they also do well with EMP against clumped up protoss air
i fucking love the things but like wtf yo
way to ignore my joke about terrans copying you fuckass
my most played race is random though
stfu noob
http://download706.mediafire.com/3612la16c...ebest.SC2Replay (http://download706.mediafire.com/3612la16c9qg/qz59yhdto2tc91g/thebest.SC2Replay)
the road to victory does not condone bm
FINE i'll watch your replay
...FUCK YOU BLUPHOENIX
30 seconds of 2 nerds being gay
ugh why did you put the replay on mediafire of all places
put it on sc-replay.com or at least the file dump
won 6 random 4s in a row with a couple guys i found in the LFT channel
pretty laidback fellas, i like them
http://poppaper.net/ (http://poppaper.net/)
i finally learned how to carpet bomb and it fucking r0x....
Quote from: rtil catugh why did you put the replay on mediafire of all places
put it on sc-replay.com or at least the file dump
i tried the file dump but i couldnt get the download link to work
also its 4kb who cares
people who don't like mediafire CARE...
also doing more tank/viking shit off 4 bases
badass
i watched a bunch of diamond/master terrans
what a bunch of FAGS they didn't expand before after 10 minutes and got like no upgrades at all
that's how i used to play when i first got the fucking game
show 'em who's boss
I think I played pretty well this match.
http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=30313 (http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=30313)
You: g.g
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Revector: STFU CHEESER
SILVER AND BRONZE TRASH
YOU EVER WONDER WHY YOU CAN`T GET OUT OF THE GARBAGE LEAGUES
STOP CHEESING
PLAY A REAL GAME
THEN YOU MIGHT BE GOOD
You: you shouldnt be in gold loser
Revector: mass bainling cheeser
I am in gold moron
You: mass thor loser
Revector: unlike you trash
I play clean
cause youw ent muta
thor is muta killer moron
You: you could go viking
Revector: you stupid
You: your thors lost big time
my mutas destroyed your thors
I took 2 golds
you only expanded 3 times
Revector: your mutas didn`t even touch my thors...it was your zerling bainlings...mutas can`t do anything to thors
You: you didnt use mules because you made retarded planetary fortresses
Revector: I lost to somebody so stupid they don`t even know how they won
You: haha you'll get a heart attack crying this much
Revector: you hear crying boy
you must have autism
hard to tell emotions for you...no friend no gf
look it up autism
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mass baneling is obnoxious though
i had a huge tank line one game, like 15 or so spread out, covered by marines, hellions and a couple thors, with a barracks to provide vision over some grass and shit
i unsieged 2 tanks in the back to move up and all of a sudden a massive clusterfuck of zerglings, banelings and mutalisks came running through all my shit and in about 15 seconds a pretty formidable mech army was scrapped, with only a few tanks left vs a cloud of mutalisks
watching the replay, he had a changeling inbetween the tanks and saw when the 2 at the back were unsieged, the thors were also lined up against a cliff so they wouldn't get surrounded by slings or w/e but they got focus-fired down by the mutas because they were magic boxed so the splash did nothing
maybe it could have worked a little better if i had vikings but even so it would take too long to replenish the mech units i would have lost anyway
it kind of sucked because i had 2/2 upgrades and shit and he had 0/0, maybe i should have had more marines in the back and hellions in the front
i guess i beat the banelings though since i did have some surviving tanks, but all of my AA was dead and he was replenishing his army a lot faster than i could
more thors wouldn't have done anything since magic boxing negates their pitiful splash, if i had a better response time i would probably be better off with ghosts and snipe
me and poogs just did a 2v2 vs some team off-racing as terran
they massed marines and rushed us, crippling me
but in the end poogs managed to get a bunch of mech and obliterated their marines and eventual banshee transition
i'm assuming they just got tired of losing as their main races (protoss by the looks of it) and decided to just go marine rush people but me and poogs got the last laugh being ELITE terrans (playing random)
also crabs i watched your replay, ntb! you need to spend resources better and you got baneling speed way too late, also slings are better against thors than blings are because the thors can only shoot one at a time anyway
revector is a coon
if you have problems spending just get some macro hatcheries, brood war style, and spam random shitty units at the other guy until he dies... preferably hydras, 'the answer to everything' (in brood war, that is)
Yeah every time you're over 800 minerals (and are not spending fast enough) expand or get a macro hatch. Usually you won't need more than one or two macro hatcheries by the late game since you'll have so many other bases, but having one will help a lot. I didn't watch the replay or anything, but obviously upgrades are a good way to dumb some money too. Don't forget things like overlord speed and burrow as well (not saying that you are).
He was doing well on upgrades if I recall, but he was just slow to get bling speed.
Quote from: CrabarmsRevector: your mutas didn`t even touch my thors...it was your zerling bainlings...mutas can`t do anything to thors
someone doesn't know about magic box!
QuoteRevector: you hear crying boy
you must have autism
hard to tell emotions for you...no friend no gf
LMAO
you should've taken a screenie of this
if you prntscreen in the game, it saves it in a screenshots directory in your mydocs
did some games with cipher, crabarms and lander
3-2 got placed in platinum
ntb since we were kind of pissing around
it was fun!!
Yeah it was a lot of fun.
Mass corrupter is the best strategy ever
if i played zerg i would mass only corruptors and "harass" people by vomiting on their mineral lines and effectively doing nothing
this would buy me time to make 50 brood lords and win forever
Back it up with mass changeling army
new patch is live
- 4gate/proxy pylons got nerfed
- thor got nerfed
- ghost is cheaper (because it was previously nerfed)
- infestor got nerfed.... nah jk it's just a little slower now
i actually like that the infestor is slower
you also forgot another major change - the archon buff
and i think the spore crawler root time is significant as well
Quote from: rtil cati actually like that the infestor is slower
yeah it'll make them less suicidal
WELL AT LEAST GHOSTS REQUIRE FUCKING MICRO
FUCK
infestors will require micro when terrans start using ghosts
ghosts already require tons more work work/luck to actually counter casters though unless they are clumped up and out in the open
HT require babysitting but aside from ghosts most things you can feedback are kind of big, even infestors
snipe is kind of garbage because using it takes up all your time and is kind of so-so in a larger engagement
i'm still gonna go biomech with ghosts whenever i can get 4 bases now and throw in ghosts because i am low on gas and have excess minerals anyway
they're not THAT hard to use if you research cloak. vs zerg, just snipe the overseer instantly and the only way the zerg can deal with them now is to manage to land fungals on their cloaked outlines. they are tiny, have more HP and can be hard to spot. let's not pretend they're not the best caster in the game now
sniping and cloaking at the same time is not beneficial to the effectiveness of either
I think you're forgetting about nukes. Constant nuking late game is one of the most annoying things ever.
In general I don't see what there is to complain about, ghosts are one of my favorite units in the game because of the way they work. Those kind of micro intensive units make the game less boring too. If you just had to A move everything and sit back and watch it would get dull
Also a few ghosts with full energy can snipe the hell out of a few ultralisks (or maybe broods/colossus if you're lucky), but aside from that yeah I guess it's not great in big engagements. However in early (small) engagements you can snipe out marines and other units to help even it up. Although you're screwed against a bunch of lings if you don't have cloak
i think it'd be cool if more terrans nuked, yeah. i often forget nuke exists.
Quote from: sev cati think it'd be cool if more terrans nuked, yeah. i often forget nuke exists.
imo it's kind of a waste of money unless you're very certain it's gonna work (like hitting an expansion that just got up and doesn't have any detection or something)
i've seen some very amazing nuke play in pro games. can't really hurt to build a nuke if you're investing in ghosts
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if somebody can constantly nuke they are already way ahead since nukes cost 100/100 and you pretty much need cloak
it's okay for busting tank lines but P and Z are so mobile that even attempting to nuke their armies is kind of pointless since they can just run out of the way, and they replenish their armies faster anyway
i'm not forgetting about nukes... they're just rarely practical, just like snipe, the gas is usually better spent on upgrades unless it's TvT tank wars or you're nuking an expo (and targeting a mineral node of course so it's harder to spot)
sniping broodlords can theoretically work since they don't have THAT much health but it's a HUUUUGE waste of APM since you have to spam R over and over, while you could be stimming/kiting/pulling your dick or whatever, so the benefits are nullified or work to the detriment of the terran player
you need a bunch of snipes to kill something and each snipe is 25 energy which is why sniping and cloaking at the same time is kind of crappy, it might be worth it to throw some EMPs on stray casters but definitely not for snipe
if you run your ghosts around and just happen to stumble upon some broods in transit then pfff yeah what the hell, if it's not a huge engagement it's not a big deal, but the ghosts are probably going to die and it takes a while to replenish their numbers as their cost and build time is considerable
also ravens are the best casters, not ghosts
i don't even bother researching cloak when getting ghosts and banshees most of the time because it depends so much on energy, and with the ghost in a supporting role for the main army (EMP) and the banshees for DPS or worker harass (workers don't fire back), it's not a huge benefit and the cost is not always justified
Simultaneous (2+) nukes on bases is more annoying than anything though. While also being potentially able to get workers, if you're against terran or toss chances are you'll be able to kill a bunch of depots/pylons.
i think you severely underestimate the utility of ghosts, especially with cloak. you don't need to be way ahead to be mixing ghosts with your army, you just have to have strong macro. once you've saturated your natural you should have a very strong economy, enough to start fueling a tier 3 unit to go with your army. i have had terrans go mass ghost against me with cloak, and it's definitely something worth researching, at least vs zerg, because our mobile detector is so easy to kill and expensive to reproduce.
but in the end it's based on personal preference. really, any player that's good enough can make any unit composition work. it just sounds like you haven't seen anyone use ghosts to their full potential.
No no no, you have to be way ahead to constantly nuke stuff because nukes are expensive, ghosts are fine in certain situations but more than anything they are anti-casters, not a very viable caster by themselves unless someone is going MMMG against protoss, and the research is pricy early on for the energy upgrade, cloak AND nukes. If they're just a supplement to the main army cloaking is kind of a dubious choice to spend resources on since money will be tight until a third and fourth base is taken. For multiple nukes you also need more ghost academies, which also cost money. They also take a while to produce and occupy tech lab barracks longer. Ravens are a much stronger and reliable choice in most scenarios because of their aerial mobility, detection and PDDs.
i wasn't talking about constantly nuking stuff, i was talking about having ghosts in your army. raven upgrades are just as pricey as ghost upgrades, in fact iirc they're more expensive, especially from the unit cost. yeah, they're probably better, but they can't cloak. as far as detection goes, most terrans i see just put up missile turrets everywhere and have scans to spare in the late game.
Quote from: cipherI think you're forgetting about nukes. Constant nuking late game is one of the most annoying things ever.
Quote from: Tron Sawyerif somebody can constantly nuke they are already way ahead since nukes cost 100/100 and you pretty much need cloak
Quote from: rtil catyou don't need to be way ahead to be mixing ghosts with your army, you just have to have strong macro.
^confusing messages
anyway no you're overestimating the value of ghosts, they're a nice addition but not really a requirement in any matchup but TvP because of EMPs universal effectiveness against protoss shields - snipe is a lousy ability at best and cloaking has limited, if cool, usage
mass ghosts is mainly for pissing around
also the reason people spam missile turrets everywhere is because they either go pure factory or heavy upgrades and don't have to spare the gas for ravens
plus its brood war style (hardcore)
missile turrets also negate burrow movement
EMP is also very effective vs queens and infestors, and snipe is effective vs many zerg units, really every unit except the roach, corruptor and zergling (because it's a waste)
i'm just saying that as a high diamond zerg player, i have seen terrans use ghosts very effectively and convincingly vs zerg. it's definitely not the "go-to" anti-zerg unit, but it works. i have seen a small army of ghosts quickly rape entire fleets of brood lords, infestors, banelings and queens.
Nah, it's mainly against Protoss because in BW Science Vessels were expensive and flimsy (just like Ravens!) and knocking them out of the sky with a few Scouts was pretty easy, leaving Dark Templar free to roam everywhere they'd please and lay waste to any army. It didn't do shit against Zerg since there were no tunneling units. Also, in SC2, protoss doesn't spread creep all over the fucking place, and turrets halt 2 of their 3 tech paths (colossus/air).
EMP is effective against anything with energy yeah, just like feedback, but unlike feedback it can't actually ever kill anything, and fungal growth also reveals cloaked units like EMP and disables any abilities, but you can actually spot cloaked T/P units in transit and stop them, unlike Z units which leave no trail while tunneling. HT drops with feedback is probably a sillier way to deal with queens.
Snipe is a borderline junk ability which is sort of good in small scale encounters (ESPECIALLY against Roaches and Marauders since Ghosts don't do bonus damage to them and it takes out a solid chunk of their health) but is a huge waste of time later on, the exception being sniping harassing Mutalisks, because you need to spam R over and over all the fucking time against single units with multiple ghosts, while you could be focus-firing the tanks, kiting with stimmed marines and hellions, etc etc... EMP is really good. It's the reason people get Ghosts. Snipe just sucks and has that awful 'ghetto' silencer sound. Nobody wants to fucking listen to that shit when they can EMP instead for a big bright flash of blue light and see a bunch of faggot stalkers without shields ripe for the picking.
yeah emp isn't as good as feedback, but in turn, the ghost has more abilities and is faster than a high templar. it's give and take
and i agree, i hate the sound of the sniper round, but i understand why it's there
Ghosts add a cool extra micro aspect to Terran. Terran units are generally really efficient by themselves, they don't really need an all-purpose damage spell like storm or fungal, but the other races' spells are specifically harmful and oftentimes necessary to kill Terran units, so having EMP in there is useful, and as it's very quick to cast as well as being aoe, it's really useful. The fact that it pretty much is an auto psi-storm to all protoss units is sort of a bonus. Anti-casting is highly undervalued imo
Been using lings/banelings/mutas vs protoss and been able to hold pretty well to stalker heavy armies and able to take out a few collosi. Probably wont work in higher leagues if they are smart enough to get more zealots and archon as well as HT but very seldom do I see it or they refuse to adapt. Its also nice for when I do upgrade I can skip spine/acid attack upgrade and t3 units wont be gimped. If I see an early twilight counsel I would probably go roach and get an overseer. But other then that could you say there something wrong with skipping roach hydras ?
Quote from: CrabarmsBeen using lings/banelings/mutas vs protoss and been able to hold pretty well to stalker heavy armies and able to take out a few collosi. Probably wont work in higher leagues if they are smart enough to get more zealots and archon as well as HT but very seldom do I see it or they refuse to adapt.
Yeah in higher leagues things will change of course. Throwing some corrupters into the mix can go a long way, especially if they have lots of collosi. Generally speaking having such a ling heavy army vs any toss ball with a few collosi can be a bit risky, but if its working for you go for it. But in the long run having roaches would be good too if they have at the very least 1/3 zealots. No hydras v. collosi though, that's a bad idea.
While it is definitely effective (especially against ling builds) I rarely ever see HTs used these days, but you never know.
Quote from: CrabarmsIts also nice for when I do upgrade I can skip spine/acid attack upgrade and t3 units wont be gimped. If I see an early twilight counsel I would probably go roach and get an overseer. But other then that could you say there something wrong with skipping roach hydras ?
As far as the twilight counsel goes, that could also mean a blink stalker rush, but I wouldn't worry about that all that much in your league. Skipping roaches in PvZ and substituting with lings isn't all that common in all honesty. I mean it can work at times, but I'd at least throw down a roach warren if you get the chance. As far as hydras go, you should only really use them if your opponent is either making lots of gateway units or perhaps air. Otherwise just skip them, since most toss go for collosi which eat hydras alive. And of course with upgrades, you pretty much can't go wrong with getting them.
so much lingo
Quote from: systechso much lingo
just build marines
EMP is better than feedback against caster units, but feedback is good because every damn high-end Terran unit and then some is vulnerable to it. The Ghost also cannot be warped in anywhere and takes up a lot of techlab barracks time and it was suggested to just have them train from the Ghost academy to free up barracks time, maybe even making the Reaper an academy unit as well.
Also, Terran is the most micro-intensive race in the higher leagues because every unit is ranged or has some sort of special ability, and you need a LOT of them. Ghosts add micro, but sometimes less is more - throw some EMPs and pull them back. Snipe is just horribly inefficient when you could be strike cannoning Immortals and Archons, provided you were lucky with your EMPs and the Thor wasn't just reduced to burning wreckage by one HT, running Hellions in to maximize their splash, stimming and kiting Banelings with Marines (Automaton style ofc), shift-clicking stimmed Marauders to attack a bunch of their kinsmen, etc etc etc... All of this stuff is POSSIBLE to do at once, but microing your Ghosts is a detriment because you have to spam R, a single target ability, against EVERYTHING and it is very easy to click the mouse faster than the keyboard so you end up selecting an enemy unit. Like I said, at least most units you can feedback or neural parasite are kind of big and usually not present in large numbers, while most units Snipe would apply to are fairly small and easily massable. It's good before you get a lot of units to deal with.
Also Crabarms against Zerg and Protoss going Roach/Corruptor with upgrades is pretty effective, speedling/baneling/mutalisks is mostly better against Terran. Hydralisks are mainly to deal with massed Protoss air.
Ok maybe I've been getting too many hydras and its eating my money to buy roaches/infestor.
accidentally went random in a 4v4 and got zerg
roach rushed some idiot protoss who was trying to rush DTs or something and he left
made some mutas and cracklings
won
went terran in another and massed 3/3 marines with 3 armor medivacs
dropped the fuck out of everyone and suicided marines all over, killing expos and tech left and right
raped some master terran going mech because he couldn't micro hellions for shit
highest score
total victory
crabarms, from my experience the most important thing you can learn is macro. i'd try just doing one build/strategy and messing with it every game and working primarily on your macro mechanics. you'll probably get to platinum with just that as zerg. beyond that you'll probably want to play with different strategies and refine things but yeah the game is a lot easier when you just learn really good macro
roach/hydra doesn't really work vs protoss anymore. hydras suck the moment colossus comes out, so there's only a tiny window in which hydras are useful in the matchup. they're not even that great vs mass air, i'd rather have muta/corruptor as they are far more mobile and fast.
if you like banelings vs protoss, experiment with baneling drops on armies. you'll get more bang for your buck per baneling as the splash will affect all units around it instead of just the front of the ball it would normally hit. it will also negate FF. practice moving drops in a unit tester first, though.
Quote from: rtil catif you like banelings vs protoss, experiment with baneling drops on armies. you'll get more bang for your buck per baneling as the splash will affect all units around it instead of just the front of the ball it would normally hit. it will also negate FF. practice moving drops in a unit tester first, though.
if you can master the baneling drop in gold or below you can be a beast. Especially if you can drop mineral lines. 2-3 banelings and the rest zerglings to pick off the low level workers that they miss. Fun stuff.
Yeah something I could explore with to get better. Would help a lot.
If you're having trouble with it / dont have the time/cash to tech to it, don't forget doing baneling landmines. Those are incredibly underused and really powerful
just make sure you manually manage their explosions. it's better to have them explode instantly underground instead of autocast. because autocast requires that they unburrow first, which takes a second or two
yeah but unburrowing is still probably the best bet, I mean, if you do it right ontop of them they won't be able to do anything about it. Of course don't just press X because you'll most likely end up wasting some.
Also rtil you may want to change your name back to normal, in case you forgot
Had an hour and 20 minute game with a turtling terran. At first he was air heavy so I tried to make air as well and just threw gas away because he stopped using air units. Then he just massed marines after I tried to recover. He had a weaker base but it still had 2 battle cruisers and siege tanks and I probably should of destroyed it while I had the chance.
Tried to throw infested terran on the marines that were close to the siege tanks, guess they shot them before the siege tanks would fire. Pretty much threw them away when he used scan and they were close together should of harassed with 1 and hold back to the others.
Also tried doing something cool with Nydus worms but it failed pretty badly, except he had an expo near by and scared it off. I tried to cut threw the rocks (backwater gulch) with 3 ultras, lings and infestors. Just didn't work to well because of the tanks but killed a bunch of scv's but that didn't really do a whole lot.
Going to try to work on drop play for when there is a ramp I can't go up but I never get the timing right and drop play is canceled by turrets or marines waiting. Will also try sabotaging his naturals with burrowed banelings or having creep there.
Would post replay but pretty silly how I could of easily won if I didn't try to kill the main. Had like 10000 minerals and was having like 100-200 gas. Maybe I could of brought out a ton of spine crawlers/sporecrawlers and move closer. Tons of potential ways to win and I was just bashing my head trying to get my original idea to work.
an opponent turtling is an open invitation for you to take over the rest of the map. get your economy going fast, take expansions early, spread creep everywhere.
you should feel comfortable engaging if you have been keeping up on larvae injections, because you will have the ability to quickly reinforce and clean up whatever is left over of their army. but you can't wait around too long or they will be able to do the same for some time.
if you're maxed, you just need to attack. but be smart about it and do flanking + focus-firing. a-moving an army into a terran force can be a disaster waiting to happen as banelings have stupid AI.
that being said, your greatest weapon vs the turtling terran is brood lords with air support. i like to morph broods at their main base and force them to attempt to defend their production facilities, while in the mean time attacking what is left of their army defending their front.
mass 3/3/3 chargelots every game
i played with some koreans in a 4v4 who were actually somewhat competent and drew the enemy out so i could bomb their bases with banshees and cripple them
http://www.livestream.com/sinitron (http://www.livestream.com/sinitron)
Quote from: Tron Sawyerhttp://www.livestream.com/sinitron (http://www.livestream.com/sinitron)
do you talk while you play
if so i will add you to the stream list
it's a lot easier to yap when there's someone else with me on skype so i'm not talking to a brick wall but yeah i call people fags and niggers pretty much
SILVER LEAGUE UPDATE
currently rank 36 and while silver provides a new challenge, there are plenty who still just fucking suck
new 'initial-typical' build goes with something like 12 marines, 6 marauders, 3 medivacs, 1 or 2 thors and can win some games in under 10 minutes
but a lot of times thats unnecessary because i'll see some different strat that they probably think is new, ingenious, edgy, etc. like blocking off the ramp with cannons and attempted carrier rush and they die to a mmm drop 7 minutes in
implementing ravens and ghosts on occasion, but ghosts usually only against protoss for the emp
had someone try to drop and siege 2 tanks behind the mineral line and it was hilarious to see scvs kill their dicks
also had someone worker rush on metalopolis and he went to EVERY OTHER expo before getting to mine and by the time it was far too late
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I've been playing super badly lately, haven't won a game in a while. Hopefully that'll change today though :(
back to rank 8 atm, as opposed to my usual 2
Made it to gold.
i'm facing(destroying) more and more silvers!! only about 800 more games to get out of bronze
congratulations to the both of you! may your next 800 games be full of joy
so for anyone who missed it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBBQRwQ5YIM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBBQRwQ5YIM)
a HotS trailer was leaked by gametrailers and they're spazzing out trying to remove all the copies that were spammed all over the net
and blizzard are pissed at them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyyuWbkEJZA
some plat terran wanted to work on his zerg
demolished him twice with factory shit
then he wanted a tvt
i FE'd on the other end of the map which he didn't scout
then bypassed his tank line with medivacs and dropped a bunch of tanks and shit in his base
yeh...
Finally got a nydus worm to be successful. Used it against some protoss and his army probably could of easily wrecked mine if it went head to head. Just destroyed all his probes and started attacking pylons, his army went back to fight mine which pretty much won me the game. But other than that I played pretty badly, I thought he was going to rush me so I cut workers and made a ton of lings and was late on gas because I was chasing his probe. Also late 3rd, it got destroyed by a few stalkers because I was trying to do as much damage as possible. Should of gotten the robotics destroyed and stopped the rally point from being in the nydus.
what would of been cool if I had another nydus worm to escape instead of getting them destroyed. For another time for sure.
http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=50907 (http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=50907)
Also for some when I try to upload in the file dump it turns into .lay instead of sc2replay and cant be played.
tried putting them in a zip folder?
Didn't think about that. Will try.
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=5658 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=5658)
Yeah works that way.
Some recent replays.
One of them some guy brought out how he was #3 in wow or something it was pretty irrelevant but apparently it should make him good at sc too.
Quote from: CrabarmsAlso for some when I try to upload in the file dump it turns into .lay instead of sc2replay and cant be played.
uhhhhhhhhhhhh wow that's weird. thanks for letting me know about this lol
Tried other races did really bad with them, build older was complete shit as well. It was pretty fun trying something different just seeing what I could be missing out on. Did this on one of the free guest passes I had left to just use it. As Protoss I just massed zealots and left out stalkers had Dt's/ht's and a few archon not exactly the winning force in my hands had to remake a bunch of crap, finding out basics like storm cant hit air. Then had to go up against another Protoss who for the most part just sent gateway units and I had collosi which he eventually got later but I won with a shit ton of zealots and Dt's. Didn't really do anything cool with Terran had thors though but mostly marauders vikings and medivacs.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=431865 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=431865)
http://www.insidegamer.nl/pc/starcraftiihe...eenshots/162647 (http://www.insidegamer.nl/pc/starcraftiiheartoftheswarm/screenshots/162647)
click on 'volgende' for next pic
Awesome! Glad that there is going to be some ice terrain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brD49vwrqi8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brD49vwrqi8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JcmAga-IAU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JcmAga-IAU)
i'm gonna have so much fun upgrading my units
and so much sadness when i can't do it on ladder
i dont see the pineapple tracking mutagen for the ultralisk wtf
team terran 500
only 500 more to go!!!
i'm dustin fucking browder look at me LOOOOK AAAT MEEEEEE
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look at that smug fucking look on his face
oh boy pro-am tourney (http://geforce.cevo.com/event/geforce-starcraft-2-pro-am/home/)
this seems like it'd be fun
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what you care about (http://geforce.cevo.com/event/geforce-starcraft-2-pro-am/prizes/)
it's cool to see major companies doing sc2 tournaments
too bad husky is casting in that one
It's not like you'd watch it anyways
signed up for it
first 2 matches start on the 18th woooo yea
Rammed like 10 banelings into 1 stalker and it still survived but it was unintentional was trying to get behind them with slings trapping an army of stalker/zealots but just A moved the banelings because I was focusing with the slings. Still won the match because it was just 4 gate stuff and I eventually got lair tech and made hydras.
put your banes on a hotkey so that you can quickly select & move them away from non-priority targets
http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=58925 (http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=58925) very close zvz
It turned to a normal game but then the muta's came. Screwed up the drones on my main and I was just starting to get hydras and infestors. He expanded while I tried to catch up, but his muta's never killed my overlords so I was seeing where his drones where going. I tried to counter attack . He then tries to send out a ton of banelings at my base but my infestors destroyed them, unfortunately 2 had fallen. One of his expansions I killed with lings but he burrowed a few drones and I had 1 ling sitting there near the minerals and caught him making another hatchery and was able to destroy it. Then I was able to attack him again destroying his non upgraded roach army and passing by his idle mutas thus achieving victory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPskOimdW4c
Quote from: Crabarmshttp://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=58925 (http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=58925) very close zvz
couple notes about this replay
- you could have ended this game within 7 minutes. this could have been achieved by scouting properly. not just knowing where your opponent is, but watching pool timings, gas timings, and unit count with overlord watching the ramp, as well as ling scouts. if you had done this, with your early hatch, you could have pumped mass speedlings and easily overwhelmed his small roach force, winning you the game. a strong opener for a potential quick win snipe like this is:
- 9 OL
- 15 hatch
- 15 pool
- 15 extractor -> gas to 100, then put all drones back on minerals
- 17 OL
- 17 queen x2 (one at main, one at nat)
- 17 metabolic boost
- mass speedlings and don't get supply blocked
- the good thing about this build is that if you don't think trying to all-in attack is a good idea, you are still in a strong position to start a macro game with your early natural
- scouting more often with changelings or overseer flybys. you never saw his spire and it cost you a lot of drones
- you need to drone up again after losing so many drones. you went from having 40+ drones to 20+ drones, and stayed at 20+ for too long, while he was back to 40+ in no time and grabbing a 3rd. you are lucky he reacted to your attack poorly ... in fact he didn't react to it at all.
- good move with the infestors and fungaling banelings
- grab a 3rd base after a successful engagement or when your economy demands it. you always want to be one base ahead of your opponent to seal a victory
i'd also consider doing double upgrades and getting hive just in case the situation calls for it. you also may want to put up a few spores after a muta harass. spores are a better option than hydras for a few reasons in that they are always there to protect you and that you are not being forced into a tech tree you didn't plan on using. hydras are also very weak to fungal growth and banelings.
Okay. Will have to try it on zergs. Tried doing something like that before but got discouraged after not being able to survive some early pressure. After looking at that build order I have been messing it up by getting 14 pool, drone to 16 make extractor then make overlord but I can see it being a lot better by having faster metabolic boost.
if you're nervous about early pressure and it is a small map, pool first instead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiRkrHJo2po
anyone catch that game with idra v MMA lately?
Quote from: cipheranyone catch that game with idra v MMA lately?
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it happens all the time and you know it
Quote from: rtilQuote from: cipheranyone catch that game with idra v MMA lately?
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I watched it with a few different casters, it's pretty entertaining so see them try to figure out wtf happened
.....not that anything did
i didn't watch it because idra is gay
i have yet to see a pro that i can associate with
Quote from: cipherQuote from: rtilQuote from: cipheranyone catch that game with idra v MMA lately?
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I watched it with a few different casters, it's pretty entertaining so see them try to figure out wtf happened
.....not that anything did
the best vid is the MLG reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLsvub7kvAU
im not sure whats funnier, this idra guy leaving like that or how dumb everyones reaction is to it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ypeS8rYess
that was fast
best zvz i've played in a long time
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/07-06-11/6...-VS-Tryzer.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/07-06-11/63052-DMrtil-VS-Tryzer.html)
Quote from: rtilthe best vid is the MLG reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLsvub7kvAU
oh my god
lmao thank you for that
Quote from: rtilbest zvz i've played in a long time
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/07-06-11/6...-VS-Tryzer.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/07-06-11/63052-DMrtil-VS-Tryzer.html)
I like how he continued to make muta's when you were just covered with spore crawlers hydra's and infestors, Then goes Ultra without any other units to at least attempt to hold your units in place, well he had the lings but they died from fungal I think.
Quote from: CrabarmsQuote from: rtilbest zvz i've played in a long time
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/07-06-11/6...-VS-Tryzer.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/07-06-11/63052-DMrtil-VS-Tryzer.html)
I like how he continued to make muta's when you were just covered with spore crawlers hydra's and infestors, Then goes Ultra without any other units to at least attempt to hold your units in place, well he had the lings but they died from fungal I think.
lings usually survive fungal with 1hp because of regeneration. i htink he was trying to brute force with the mutas or maintain map control.
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yeah i saw that on reddit
that fish looks more like the SC1 carrier than the SC2 one does
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYtLYPiMrew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYtLYPiMrew)
that was just sounds of the carrier
it's actually surprisingly hard to find videos of the sc1/bw carrier
easier on google image though
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looks like a psyonic dong
because i play protoss, that's actually what my genitals look like
Quote from: rtilthat was just sounds of the carrier
yeah but he sounds fucking badass
also i guess i could try streaming shit from sc1 or SOMETHING if i get the stream working w/ sc1
Quote from: rtilhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ypeS8rYess
this is so fantastic
Quote from: sevQuote from: rtilhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ypeS8rYess
this is so fantastic
Idra bashing? I'm on board.
I don't really give a shit about idra, I just want Wraiths, Goliaths and Vultures.
goliaths are pretty damn cool, i was using them in the campaign missions the other day.
sc1 it was all about goliaths and the original fat bastard siege tank drivers
Too bad Goliaths don't look or sound as badass as before. I think it was a conspiracy to get us to like the new units.
Firebats are still boss though, and actually make Hellions worthless in SP.
I meet some really pleasant cheesers out in silver
Faunsey: you're a coward
Faunsey has reconnected.
You: lmao ok
Faunsey: you displayed cowardice in the midst of that battle
it was evident in your play
You: i was frustrated
Faunsey: you were cowardicsed
You: lmaooo
Faunsey: you weren't prepeard for a powerful terran
you cringed in the face of it
You: you were a good opponent, no doubt
Faunsey: fuck you.
You: <:[
Faunsey: would you sniff a girl's butthole?
You: dunno hadt really thought about it
Faunsey: would you stick your nose up in some muff?
or better yet, your head?
You: sure why not
Faunsey: didn't tihnk so
coward
You: ouch
The player is ignoring you.
Faunsey has disconnected.
Speaking of cheese
I got cannon rush today, but they left themselves wide open to a vicious 4 ling attack(was just to scout but damn did he just let them kill his probes, a pylon and a forge but he made another one in my base). I won but it took 30 minutes because of so many cannons delaying stuff but I had 4 bases and 2 macro hatches and ended up cleaning the cannons up because he started to warp shit in. He also went dt afterwords so that kind of delayed stuff a bit as well.
But yeah, the cheesers I face hardly say anything.
If anyone wants to add me I'm Chaos.542 on USA servers.
Shameless promotion? Maybe.
Crabarms 268
Quote from: ChaosToo bad Goliaths don't look or sound as badass as before. I think it was a conspiracy to get us to like the new units.
Firebats are still boss though, and actually make Hellions worthless in SP.
Firebats were always kind of bad. They're a better defensive unit but Hellions have far more utility value.
Vikings are also a good replacement for Goliaths, my only problem with them is that they don't benefit from factory upgrades.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNIiON3D004 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNIiON3D004)
^pro korean zerg player
jesus i would hate to be that guy's neighbor
I got DT rushed by a guy named 'Ilovecheese'. It failed horribly. Why do people even try that in the higher leagues.
Quote from: BluPhoenixFaunsey: you were cowardicsed
Faunsey: would you sniff a girl's butthole?
You: dunno hadt really thought about it
Faunsey: would you stick your nose up in some muff?
or better yet, your head?
You: sure why not
Faunsey: didn't tihnk so
coward
classic
Quote from: CrabarmsSpeaking of cheese
I got cannon rush today, but they left themselves wide open to a vicious 4 ling attack(was just to scout but damn did he just let them kill his probes, a pylon and a forge but he made another one in my base). I won but it took 30 minutes because of so many cannons delaying stuff but I had 4 bases and 2 macro hatches and ended up cleaning the cannons up because he started to warp shit in. He also went dt afterwords so that kind of delayed stuff a bit as well.
But yeah, the cheesers I face hardly say anything.
when the cannon rush fails, 99% of them will resort to either proxy DT or void rays. easy to stop when you know it's coming
Quote from: ChaosIf anyone wants to add me I'm Chaos.542 on USA servers.
Shameless promotion? Maybe.
i will add you
Quote from: cipherI got DT rushed by a guy named 'Ilovecheese'. It failed horribly. Why do people even try that in the higher leagues.
it's all some people know how to do. there's a protoss in
grandmasters who pretty much only knows how to cannon rush. i forgot his name but i've seen him play. i ran into this one cheeser two games in a row, the first game i wasn't being careful enough and he proxy VR rushed me with cannons in range of my nat, the second game to my surprise he did the
exact same thing even though he knew it was the same opponent again. long story short i kicked his fucking ass because i saw it.
and what did he follow up his failed void ray proxy with? DT's of course.
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Been getting rushed lately losing to 2 gate zealot (my fault not preparing properly for it, had like 2 spine crawlers and slow lings)
Defended a proxy 2 gate drones destroyed the pylon he made like 5 more and I had lings at the time and zealots didn't really do much damage.
Some Random 8 pooled me and I was blindly 7rr it failed because I had to make lings to defend from his crap then was able to block the ramp with the few roaches I could make. Droned up and expanded because the lings/roaches I sent were blocked. He expanded as well but on the opposite side (metalopolis). They built tons of spine crawlers so I just got a few upgrades and made broodlords. Destroyed his other base with just one broodlord he had a ton of corrupters but I guess he missed it he also had a ton of mutas that he didn't use. Fungal'd all his crap and took out his base and buildings. I guess the extractors or the spinecrawlers still put him in the game and He made like 8 broodlords near his base so it would of took days to reach me, he sent a few mutas at me and they died to my corrupters and he left.
first matchup tonight at 9 against this dude
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still callin marine rush
Quote from: CrabarmsThey built tons of spine crawlers
i fucking hate when people do this. same goes for photon cannons. makes it basically suicide to attack into unless you have brood lords or a huge army advantage. i played this zvz last night that went on for like half an hour and he did this at every expo. because of it he lost a lot of drones so i had an econ and army advantage the whole game, only to ping timeout during the final decisive battle and throw him a win he didn't deserve
Quote from: BluPhoenixfirst matchup tonight at 9 against this dude
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still callin marine rush
gl!
me and ryan just did some games
he can't play random for SHIT!! but when he went zerg it was ez
i DT rushed some protoss fag and his terran ally helped him by donating energy from his command center
hint: it wasn't a scan
it also wasn't a supply drop on his pylones, either
can YOU guess what it was
it was pretty funny to see it in action
dropped a mule and made it hold position in the mineral line to try to block the dt's?
no he just dropped a mule and it ran around in circles with the probes
very helpful 10/10
even his 6 banshees couldn't save him
and i don't mind playin terran but i am so damn bad at protoss
Quote from: Tron Sawyerno he just dropped a mule and it ran around in circles with the probes
I pray he meant to click on scan.
if he was good he would be using hotkeys
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got team zerg 100
currently @
521 team terran
103 team zerg
158 team protoss
343 team random
/statwhore
got another masters 3v3 team with two random fags
long story short:
destiny makes a living off of streaming sc2
dumb kid starts ddos'ing his stream to make it go down so he can threaten destiny
destiny's fans find out who's doing it and get his name, address and phone #
result
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BRjwqiwOPw
also, destiny wants to take the kid to court on judge judy and the show says they're interested in the case
Quote from: rtilalso, destiny wants to take the kid to court on judge judy and the show says they're interested in the case
Would watch. The whole situation's actually pretty funny.
managed to bust my way out of bronze 1v1 by curbstomping a large mix of gold/plat players and got promoted to gold
some more master 3s teams
549 team terran
118 team zerg
179 team protoss
391 team random
i also made a movie which infuriated a bunch of SERIOUS starcraft gamers because my casting is the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4eRymmFI7g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4eRymmFI7g)
hellion/tank r0cx...
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/55978742...E853886751B211/ (http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/559787428426269214/0B5FC290AEFFCA0ABD76BBFA8BE853886751B211/)
PRO TACTICS XTREME
I'm Gold League Fear Me Bitch's >:]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVcpbwGZtVE
(gasp) [size=]KYLE[/size]
saw it on reddit
i don't follow destiny much so i don't know who kyle is but i do wonder why destiny has such an immense hard-on for him
so i just hit a wall
it appears my TvP is fucking awful because i have huge problems holding off their early aggression
TvZ and TvT at gold level is a breeze if i pay a little attention, but i'm having huge problems with 4gates and 3gate robo/star or DT rushes
i can scout the DTs and throw down missile turrets but it takes too long to get mobile detection if I didn't 1/1/1 which leaves me vulnerable to the aforementioned 4/3gate aggression
maps like xnc and metalop are awful for terran because you can't bunker off your natural expansion and expand in a timely fashion, while it works fine on shattered temple and shakuras plateau
shattered is nice because you can get a great bunker on the high ground, provided you don't try to wall off
which usually isn't necessary but the protoss fags i'm facing are kind of bad at anything but strong rushes early on and 2gate zealot pressure isn't entirely out of the question
i guess im gonna have to try 2rax mass marine early on and just spam bunkers on the high ground
it's at least comforting to know that poogs had problems with the exact same thing
hey i made a shitty guide for you guys on basemath and build logic
ALL-IN
Definition: Any type of build that revolves around you killing your opponent, or crippling him SEVERELY in order to win. Cheese generally falls into this category as well, but not all all-ins are cheese. Keyword is micro, point is to kill.
Qualities:
- Usually consists of either a couple really really fast buildings, or 4 buildings and a timing attack just before mid-game.
- Always involves cutting workers at a certain point, usually pretty early.
- No expansion.
Examples:
P: 2Gate, 4Gate
T: 2PortBanshee, 4Rax
Z: 6Pool, 3RR
SEMI ALL-IN
Definition: Any type of build that forces you to do damage to your opponent and at least take down their expansion, if not kill them outright, in order to get ahead and eventually win. Keyword is cripple.
Qualities:
- Usually consists of a combination of 4 buildings, but in this case, they're not all the same building. Usually 3 infantry buildings and 1 tech structure.
- For Zerg, it usually involves making a lot of units on 2 bases.
- Usually involves cutting workers, but at a later time than with an all-in.
- Can transition into an expansion, or you can kill them outright, depending on how much damage is done. If you do expand (to a natural, or in Zerg's case, a third), it usually ends up happening around 9-11 minutes, which is considered late.
Examples:
P: 1 Base Colossus, Void Bust
T: Any 2-1-1 Build, 3RaxFac
Z: 2 Hatch Hydra, 2Base Muta, Mass Ling, Burrow RR, 1Base or 2Base Baneling Bust
STANDARD EXPAND
Definition: Generally the most common non-cheese variety of build out there. It lets you get a timely expansion up at an average pace and can defend most general pressure. Keyword is safety, in terms of having units, and having a decent gateway into the main macro game.
Qualities:
- Usually consists of 3 infantry buildings, or 2 of them and 1 tech building. Alternatively for Zerg, it's any small amount of units instead of a 14hatch or a pool first build. Usually, this will either be a few roaches or quick speedlings.
- Average amount of units to either pressure or defend with.
- Constant worker production.
- An expansion at about 6-7 minutes, earlier for Zerg.
Examples:
P: 3Gate, 2GateRobo, 2GateStargate
T: 1-1-1, 3Rax (add-on configuration may vary)
Z: Speedling Expand, 7RR (arguably way more dangerous)
FAST EXPAND
Definition: As the name implies, it's the fastest expansion timing. Keyword is macro, point is to survive.
Qualities:
- 1, or in an even riskier case, 0 buildings before expansion.
- Few early units to defend with, sometimes static defense.
- All early resources spent on producing workers and macroing up.
- An expansion at 4-5 minutes, sometimes earlier for Zerg.
Examples:
P: 15 Nexus, 1GateFE, ForgeFE
T: 15CC, 1RaxFE (and all subsequent varieties including Reaper, Concussive, Reactor, and Naked Rax)
Z: 15Hatch, 15 Pool 14 Hatch, Droning straight to Third
Fast Expand vs All-in - Depending on the scouting information either one has, there is a good chance you cannot Fast Expand against an All-in or Cheese strategy, and usually if you do, you'll either need to forfeit the expansion to defend on your ramp or cancel the expansion entirely. Goal is to not outright lose the game.
Fast Expand vs Semi All-in - Semi All-ins are hard to hold, but nearly all of them can be held somehow without forfeiting your natural, depending on micro. When FEing and faced with a Semi All-in, the smaller amount of damage you take means the exponential difference to how you'll do in the rest of the game. You'll definitely need to cut harvesters at least to handle a Semi All-in when you're on 2 bases. Goal is to defend your expansion.
Fast Expand vs Standard Expand - Standard Expands are generally very easy to deal with using a Fast Expand, and will usually only come with a little bit of pressure. Goal is to not let the pressure get to you.
Fast Expand vs Fast Expand - Nothing usually happens, just chill and macro and prepare for action on 2 base. Goal is to set up infrastructure.
Standard Expand vs All-in - Usually won't hold anything, on one base with a limited number of units you'll usually need to tack on an extra production facility or some well-timed static defense to hold an actual dedicated All-in. Goal is to stay alive.
Standard Expand vs Semi All-in - Standard expands are generally the best all-around against Semi All-ins, given that you have a tech advantage. It can go either way. Goal is to prevent as much damage as possible.
Standard Expand vs Standard Expand - Usually comes down to a micro battle, but if you macro correctly, worst case scenario is you'll barely lose, and even then, it's not TOO huge a deal. A few units don't really make that big a difference from Bronze to Mid-Masters. Both players just try to delay the other player's expansion and harass a little bit, nothing more. Goal is to win the opening skirmish and get a timely expansion.
Standard Expand vs Fast Expand - If someone expands before you and you didn't go for a dedicated timing attack, you have to pressure with the units you got and try to do as much damage as possible to try to get back in the lead. If you standard expand and he fast expands, you have faster units and he doesn't. Try to take advantage of it. Goal is to pressure and stall his potential lead.
Semi All-in vs All-in - Depends on the builds, but usually the more buildings you have, the better chance you have at holding an all-in. Also depends on tech. Goal is to hold him off and expand before 10 minutes. (sometimes you can just kill him outright though)
Semi All-in vs Semi All-in - Depends on tech and timing. The guy with the commanding tech will obviously win. Goal is to win the battle and then just go slaughter him, but you can play passively and just try expanding before him too.
Semi All-in vs Standard Expand - Depends on tech, again. Goal is to force him to defend and keep him from expanding before you, so you can get back in the lead. (because usually Standard Expands give you enough stuff to not die outright to a Semi)
Semi All-in vs Fast Expand - Semi All-in usually gives you a lot of units, making it pretty challenging for your opponent to hold. Goal is to break his expansion and contain him long enough to get your own expansion back up, but sometimes, again, you can just kill him outright.
All-in vs All-in - Depends on timing. Basically a coinflip. Goal is to be the biggest fag.
All-in vs Semi All-in - Depends on the build and timing. Goal is to either kill him or cut units to expand before him while he's contained.
All-in vs Standard Expand - Your success will increase depending on whether he scouted it in time. Goal is to punish and kill him.
All-in vs Fast Expand - You have a way better chance at winning when you all-in a FEer. They usually just won't have the units to handle it. Goal is to kill.
point is, decide how you want to play and pick a style of build you'd prefer. for example, i prefer to play my pvt by getting ahead of the terran with solid defense and harassment and macroing really hard, so generally, my favorite types of builds are standard expands, and occasionally fast expands. however with zerg, i don't enjoy harassing as much and prefer straight clean macro or an outright victory, so i'm more inclined to do fast expands and semi all-ins.
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thanks pally
i smashed one of tang's students in a TvZ and i think tang got mad at me because i've played "5000 games" < according to tang
well that still doesn't FUCKING excuse making slings against a bunch of hellions instead of going roach
or getting roaches/spines right away by scouting my fucking reactor factory
and then getting smashed by a shitty terran with awful mechanics
FUCK
if you spent half your games smurfing back to bronze and have 3000 or so wins id say 5k is a realistic number
in other news im starting to frustrate my peers for being 'too good'(>silver league) and eventually being forced to play protoss and zerg
and STILL winning
THAT DOESN'T EXCUSE THE OTHER GUY
well the other guy is retarded
Quote from: sevpoint is, decide how you want to play and pick a style of build you'd prefer. for example, i prefer to play my pvt by getting ahead of the terran with solid defense and harassment and macroing really hard, so generally, my favorite types of builds are standard expands, and occasionally fast expands. however with zerg, i don't enjoy harassing as much and prefer straight clean macro or an outright victory, so i'm more inclined to do fast expands and semi all-ins.
I have some vague memory from a while back of you saying something about wanting to make lots of guides like this, and maybe put them on the yet-to-be DM website. Are you still interested in that?
also we never talk anymore wtf
i kind of wouldn't want to make guides just because my macro ideas are more personal and im sure a lot of people would disagree with them. for example i HATE 2 base gateway techniques (except 6gate in PvZ) and i don't consider most of them viable, which a lot of people wouldn't agree with.
Quote from: sevZ: 15Hatch, 15 Pool 14 Hatch, Droning straight to Third
if anyone scouted this or did an early timing push the zerg would be so fucked. you can't get much greedier than this
1rax double cc while feigning marine/scv and forcing the other guy to spam spines
yeh...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzq2O54LLIw
are there any leaked patch notes for season 3? it's been awhile since any balance changes
I know some of the new maps have had some images released [officially], but I have yet to see any word on balance changes so far.
oh you mean those shitty ones that were categorized like "rush/macro", etc? i hope they're less shitty
blizzard can't make maps for shit anymore and most of the custom ones are ugly as fuck
shakuras is probably the least shitty map atm
trying out ling infestor ultra in zvp & zvt, i hereby take back everything i ever said about ultralisks sucking, because they don't. yes, their pathing needs some help every once in a while, but it's nothing compared to bling micro. the only time i'd pick brood lords over ultras is if there were a lot of chargelots or marauders on the field, and i don't see that very often. otherwise, the synergy of this unit comp is awesome
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yeah t needs to kill z before ultras come out or they automatically die
killing them before infestors helps a lot too
the thing with infestors though is that they are very easy to kill
fully upgraded ultras have beastly armor, marines can barely touch them, and i believed tanks in seige mode actually do less damage to them as opposed to unseiged
infestors have a very easy time killing, too
and yeah tanks have lower dps in siege mode their only bonus is higher burst damage and splash, vs single targets they're better unsieged
i use unsieged tanks vs large targets like queens
yeah they do, until medivacs show up
after that it's better for rooting
medivacs die to fungal too
+ vs armored and all
yeah they do, but my point was that medivac healing begins to negate fungal when there are a certain # around
...BUT I DON'T EVEN LIKE MMM
WHY DO YOU THINK MY TVP IS SO BAD
Got my mineral line blown to bits in Tal'darim altar in that little gap where tanks/marines can be dropped off at. Rebuilt a spawning pool on the other side and transferred drones to the expansion and I thought I was pretty far behind with another group of tanks attacking the natural. He left his base wide opened and like 10 lings did so much damage. He finally retreated and eventually made another siege line so I built a shit ton of mutas and destroyed all his scvs he brings his marines back to his base to stop them but I moved back to the siege line destroying all 10 of his tanks. He had only marines left and cleaned them with the rest of my army.
I will never have my spawning pool next to one of those again, I don't really see people use it that much. That build probably put him back farther then the damage he caused me because I originally scouted his starport lifting off onto a tech reactor to block his base, and I didn't rule out the possibility of drops and I spread my overlords a bit.
i try to resist the temptation to put my buildings behind my mineral lines , it never turns out well
i uploaded a good ZvT i played yesterday that i got 2 of the ultralisk screenshots from. pretty good game: http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/09-07-11/1...l-VS-PiNGu.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/09-07-11/113062-DMrtil-VS-PiNGu.html)
fuck protoss it feels like the only thing i can do against them is spam bunkers and expand behind it WTF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mZNrzKLO5I
Shitty intro font is shitty. Otherwise it does look kind of cool, hopefully starcraft's somewhat clunky third person controls don't kill it
yeah i actually came here to post that. of course it won't be like a real mmo but playing through it with friends should be fun.
no NO NO WHAT ARE YOU MORONS DOING IT'S CALLED "STARS OF STARCRAFT" GET IT FUCKING RIGHT DIPSHITS FUCK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbpCLqryN-Q
started playing on the ptr today to test out the new maps. they range from average to terrible imo. if you want to see a good game on what i think is the absolute worst map out of the 4 new maps , and without a doubt one of the worst maps blizz has ever made, check this out: http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/17-07-11/1...VS-thEhOOd.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/17-07-11/126763-rtil-VS-thEhOOd.html)
replay has to be opened in ptr btw
your entertainment for today: http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/21-07-11/1...-VS-DMrtil.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/21-07-11/132197-Heaven-VS-DMrtil.html)
includes rage!
Haha, he deserves it. I can't stand when they put a pylon in my natural or trying to block the ramp with pylons.
Quote from: rtilyour entertainment for today: http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/21-07-11/1...-VS-DMrtil.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/21-07-11/132197-Heaven-VS-DMrtil.html)
includes rage!
lmfao this is great
i wonder where strategy stops and cheese starts. Apparently he's fed up with you building a hatch in his base but building a pylon where your natural should go is okay.
Quote from: psiQuote from: rtilyour entertainment for today: http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/21-07-11/1...-VS-DMrtil.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/21-07-11/132197-Heaven-VS-DMrtil.html)
includes rage!
lmfao this is great
i wonder where strategy stops and cheese starts. Apparently he's fed up with you building a hatch in his base but building a pylon where your natural should go is okay.
its' fairly common for protoss player to try and block a zerg natural with pylons and even gateways, but the funny thing is is that judging from his opening it looks like he was going to 4 gate me
http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=134099 (http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=134099)
proxy 2 gate
I expected him to have air because of the forge in his base so I tried to get more queens and made spores incase of dt's.
pushed in with a bunch of roaches/hydras. He went robo as well which I think is kinda funny considering his air made me consider getting hydras.
Quote from: Crabarmshttp://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=134099 (http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=134099)
proxy 2 gate
I expected him to have air because of the forge in his base so I tried to get more queens and made spores incase of dt's.
pushed in with a bunch of roaches/hydras. He went robo as well which I think is kinda funny considering his air made me consider getting hydras.
"yeah you are" comeback of the century
even though you clearly stomped the guy, one thing i'd say that your drone saturation was really bad. because of that if your attack had failed it would have turned out pretty bad for you. but thankfully he didn't really probe up either. you guys hovered around 30 workers the entire game. ideal drone saturation for 2 base is 44 (16x2 + 6x2)
Yeah I pretty much went all in that game but I was hoping he was more at a disadvantage with having to remake 2 warpgates and his air superiority not able to do too much to me. I also didn't want that second base to be up and running for a long time. I guess I sorta treated it like a 4 gate and probably not the best way to go about that. I wasn't expecting that many zealots early game destroying my stuff so I went overboard with making stuff to defend the bases and was for a second overwhelmed when I had to pull drones to attack his zealots. That time when he was harassing with air I probably could of safely droned up after poking again with a ling.
yeah, not scouting a 2 gate proxy can cost you a game. i don't remember how you scouted in that game but if you see a lack of units or buildings and time keeps ticking there's probably a proxy going on somewhere. especially if theres' no gas. but toss can sometimes be really unpredictable.
I still played pretty bad in this game, I tried to fast expand but a terran put an engineering bay in my natural so I opted to steal rtils famous hatch in a base technique.
[ 1 mins ] Crabarms » gl hf
[ 17 mins ] Crabarms » you put engineering bay in my natural and ill put a hatch in your base
[ 18 mins ] meforyou » lol you a joke and a noob even if you win youll always be a loser
[ 18 mins ] Crabarms » hah you wish you could of put a hatch in mine
[ 31 mins ] meforyou » gg noob lol your a real joke loser lol
http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=135050 (http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=135050)
haha nice
you do know spinecrawlers outrange bunkers, right? just by a little bit, but they do
I tried to play some of the new maps that are entering the map pool next season through custom games, but had trouble finding people. I fought a guy and stomped him and then checked afterwards to see that he was bronze. It's kind of pointless to test them if you can't fight people at least close to your level.
Well either way I wouldn't be surprised if season 3 started soon
it starts july 26
Quote from: rtilit starts july 26
called it
oh yeah and i got the marauder mousepad because it has a dominion emblem on it FUCK tychus findlay
I found a colossus magnet in my drawer last week.
I have no where to put it though
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2878401533#1 (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2878401533#1)
The following changes are being made to the ladder map pool when Season 3 begins on Tuesday, July 26:
1v1
Removed:
Scrap Station (2)
Slag Pits (4)
Delta Quadrant (4)
Metalopolis (4)
Carried over:
Xel'Naga Caverns (2)
Backwater Gulch (4)
Shakuras Plateau (4)
Tal'Darim Altar LE (4)
The Shattered Temple (4)
Typhon Peaks (4)
New:
Nerazim Crypt (4)
Searing Crater (4)
Antiga Shipyard (4)
Abyssal Caverns (4)
I now get 3 new maps to veto.
and I will sorta miss metalopolis
lmfao, slag pits didn't last long.
I'm glad they took shakura's over. Haven't played any of the new maps so far but rtil told me they were all kinda gay.
Also wtf, metalopolis gone? wow
metalop sucked dick aside from the mengsk statues, fuck it
that being said, i bet the new maps are far worse
Eh, I liked metalopolis, but in general I like which maps they chose to swap over. Scrap station was okay but I was kind of tired of it
Quote from: Crabarmshttp://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2878401533#1 (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2878401533#1)
The following changes are being made to the ladder map pool when Season 3 begins on Tuesday, July 26:
1v1
Removed:
Scrap Station (2)
Slag Pits (4)
Delta Quadrant (4)
Metalopolis (4)
Carried over:
Xel'Naga Caverns (2)
Backwater Gulch (4)
Shakuras Plateau (4)
Tal'Darim Altar LE (4)
The Shattered Temple (4)
Typhon Peaks (4)
New:
Nerazim Crypt (4)
Searing Crater (4)
Antiga Shipyard (4)
Abyssal Caverns (4)
I now get 3 new maps to veto.
and I will sorta miss metalopolis
metal was around for 2 seasons + beta, i think it needs a break. plus, blizz explained that they have some balance concerns for the map as well, #1 being close positions ZvT/P spawns being imbalanced, amongst other things.
scrap was imba for Z b/c of the large ramp, T and P hated that map and afaik most of them had it vetoed.
slag pits sucked.
nobody played on DQ. can't believe it lasted 2 seasons.
the new maps mostly sucked
in PTR - but since then they have made balance changes to them and the maps look slightly better now. in fact some of them are heavily modified. i will be eager to try them all out.
my new veto list to start will be backwater gulch and tal'darim altar. 1st one is self explanatory, but TA only because i hate ZvT on it. it's way too easy for terran to choke you at your nat, the terrain abuse is ridiculous.
made it to platinum!
crabarms yaaaaay!
that's a good way to kick off season 3
grats man. You're moving pretty quickly.
I won't have much time to play until friday, but I'm going to try to power through diamond now that there's a new season (not that I didn't do that last time too). It was fun being rank 1 for about 5 minutes. Somehow a month or two I go I made it all the way to rank 2 again, still not sure how I did it...
anyways yeah, that is my uninteresting update.
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/27-07-11/1...i.html?justUp=1 (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/27-07-11/140994-Yakob-VS-psi.html?justUp=1)
the most AMAZING strategy for placement matches ever. Try to top that.
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i think it's because i didn't stop playing after tilting a few days ago and went like 6-23 and totally destroyed my mmr
but i'm 6-1 so far and the only game i lost was a 6 pool when i 15 pooled so i think i'll get back in diamond soon
Quote from: rtildemoted to platinum
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that means my chances of beating you now have increased by a lot!
i disagree!
You know that trick where you make a bunch of evolution chambers and try to get more than max army? I tried that and failed horribly I forgot some of them and had a nice wall for my hatchery.
never thought about doing it with evo chambers, mostly cuz i only tried it once when i was maxed out
made 12 spines, popped some more roaches, cancelled all the spines
223/200
I'm nervous to do my placement now, waiting to do it on friday
12-5 rank 3 plat so far.. hopefully getting out of there soon
lessons to be learned in this replay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLIddxNJBFA
beat someone's zealots and dts with mass overseers, changeling shields, and hydras
Quote from: BluPhoenixbeat someone's zealots and dts with mass overseers, changeling shields, and hydras
uh..replay?
here's one from today. very long, lots of dumb shit happening, but what's cool about it is how little income we work on for the last half of the game. it was pretty damn close.
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/29-07-11/1...SuperbGear.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/29-07-11/146225-DMrtil-VS-SuperbGear.html)
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Watched the replay
dont think I would be patient enough for a game like that
That creep spread did wonders denying possible expansions and forcing some scans.
Quote from: lionsefWatched the replay
dont think I would be patient enough for a game like that
i almost quit twice, mostly around the time when i was long distance mining, i was almost sure i was going to lose. i also had to leave my apartment like exactly the moment i won the game. so i was glad it was finally over
btw, did you get a friend request from me in the game? i forget if i added you or not
Quote from: CrabarmsThat creep spread did wonders denying possible expansions and forcing some scans.
yeah i noticed after watching the replay he spent a lot of energy on scans instead of mules. probably ended up benefiting me a lot more than him.
BEHOLD! MY PLACEMENT MATCH
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/29-07-11/1...r.html?justUp=1 (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/29-07-11/147102-Cipher-VS-Doctor.html?justUp=1)
haha epic micro there Cipher. His 7 drones did not know how to deal with that one drone then he takes all his frustration on the rocks.
Quote from: CrabarmsThat creep spread did wonders denying possible expansions and forcing some scans.
how 2 be PRO zerg, the sinitron way:
- research overlord speed and transport ability
- load up queen
- unload queen at expo
- crap creep with overlord
- place creep tumor(s)
- load that bitch up and move on to another expo
copyright sinitron 2010 don't steal
Quote from: Tron SawyerQuote from: CrabarmsThat creep spread did wonders denying possible expansions and forcing some scans.
how 2 be PRO zerg, the sinitron way:
- research overlord speed and transport ability
- load up queen
- unload queen at expo
- crap creep with overlord
- place creep tumor(s)
- load that bitch up and move on to another expo
copyright sinitron 2010 don't steal
i told poogs the exact same strategy like 3 days ago lmfao
Been having some problems with mech builds lately. I got off easy on this one because I sniped two armories and I guess he made thors late. I droned pretty horrible I've been getting ass kicked by mass hellions and not transitioning properly in other games. Wasted a few units on accident. There was a time I didn't know how large their army was and I retreated and allowed it to destroy my base but I guess I could of fought it off. I should start properly learning to get better with injects and actually keying them still quite controlling the keybinds to not fuck up and getting something stuck with it during battle. If I had the economy I could of gotten a few more upgrades and pretty lucky his marines weren't really that upgraded.
http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=147848 (http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=147848)
Been practicing with that person for a while because they are aggressive with Terran and actually can macro behind it around my level of skill. He does a few all ins time to time when I try to fast expand so I've been just going standard 14 gas 14 pool.
Quote from: cipherBEHOLD! MY PLACEMENT MATCH
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/29-07-11/1...r.html?justUp=1 (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/29-07-11/147102-Cipher-VS-Doctor.html?justUp=1)
unbeatable strat
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already rank 1 plat. need to improve my zvt/zvp if i want to move up though i think
MECH TERRANS??? omg i gotta see this i love mech fuck marine/tank
Quote from: CrabarmsBeen having some problems with mech builds lately. I got off easy on this one because I sniped two armories and I guess he made thors late. I droned pretty horrible I've been getting ass kicked by mass hellions and not transitioning properly in other games. Wasted a few units on accident. There was a time I didn't know how large their army was and I retreated and allowed it to destroy my base but I guess I could of fought it off. I should start properly learning to get better with injects and actually keying them still quite controlling the keybinds to not fuck up and getting something stuck with it during battle. If I had the economy I could of gotten a few more upgrades and pretty lucky his marines weren't really that upgraded.
http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=147848 (http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=147848)
Been practicing with that person for a while because they are aggressive with Terran and actually can macro behind it around my level of skill. He does a few all ins time to time when I try to fast expand so I've been just going standard 14 gas 14 pool.
yeah you guys are both pretty even on macro.. either one of you needed at least 20 more harvesters during the peak times of the game. just not enough income coming in at any time. his 2nd and 3rd were never fully saturated and neither was your 3rd. i think there were 5 drones on minerals on your 3rd for the whole game.
you were banking tons of minerals and gas for a very long time. you could have maxed out WAY before him, but you almost never injected and so you had very little larvae. you need to hotkey your queens and inject as much as possible.
don't forget to macro behind a push either. you should be droning up until you have enough drones to fully saturate 3 bases.
as far as pure mech builds go, it's hard to say. you can't go lings because of the hellions, you can't rely on pure roach because of the thors and tanks, and because of that you need a tier 3 unit like the broodlord or ultra. unfortunately ultras are not that great vs thors, and broodlords are so easily countered by mass viking production which is relatively easy for the terran to start doing, and then you have to defend your broods with a 3rd unit like hydras. problem with hydras is the same with lings though. bad vs tanks and hellions (and they are slow as fuck).
it just sucks for zerg when terran goes heavy mech. your best bet is mass MASS roach, fully upgraded, all teched, and backed up by brood lords while making sure your push ends the game or does some serious damage before the broods are hard countered with zero effort from terran as they pump 2x viks out of reactor starports. so in that sense you want to hide brood lord tech until you're ready to play the card. otherwise the vikings will be there when they broods make their move.
oh and it couldnt hurt to have some infestors. mostly for mind control - fungal isn't going to do a lot of damage here.
slings aren't so bad against mech if you can use them to flank shit and avoid hellions, they're pretty good against thors and unsieged tanks, even sieged tanks if there aren't too many of them
he didn't have THAT many hellions for the most part, mass sling could possibly have worked
or just mass baneling, since you had tons of resources despite not having nearly enough workers and didn't expand in a timely fashion (for zerg, it should be roughly every 4 minutes or so)
you also forgot baneling speed, that was pretty bad, they're useless without it, and didn't poke around enough with your mutas
roaches are good against mech too, even though thors do tons of damage and tanks have a bonus vs armored you can still use burrow to great effect if he doesn't get a raven, cipher did that to me once (but ofc i rebuilt and DEMOLISHED the puny zerg forces (this would not work twice))
ultras and broods are both pretty solid counters to mech, the idea is to go broods first and force vikings, then if you fail to kill him with broods you get ultras instead and his vikes will be fucking worthless
i didn't really care much for what the other guy was doing, he essentially did a crippled version of marine/tank with thors instead
either you open hellions and transition into marine/tank, or you go pure mech with hellion/tank/thor and upgrades, there's no point in pissing around with a crippled hybrid build since they won't benefit from the mixed upgrades
day9 talked about it once, how you should aim for a lean and effective build while showing some guy smashing a toss with mass marine, it was pretty stupid and everyone cried TERRAN OP instantly, but that's not the point; aim for something that works well in unison with one another, like chargelot/archon or roach/corruptor
roach/corruptor is actually alright against mech since i'm pretty sure the thors will space out and start shooting the corruptors instead of your roaches (which is fucking pointless since they do pissy damage to non-light and corruptors have an assload of health to begin with) and you will already be set up for brood lords
sling/bling/ultra is also a good idea (with infestors of course) as they all benefit from melee upgrades, i saw some master zerg claim that sling/bling was better against mech than roach in the first place (can't verify this as it sounds dumb) but it comes down to unit control and shit
Quote from: rtilQuote from: BluPhoenixbeat someone's zealots and dts with mass overseers, changeling shields, and hydras
uh..replay?
no
Yeah I got a lot to work on. Usually I do drone a lot better but that was horrible. I thought I would just make a few roaches and not over commit to them just do deal with the hellions and try to not lose as many drones. I could probably hold off with spines,queens and I should really be getting mutas a lot faster.
After I watched that placement replay I realized how little I spam click. Half the time I just stop and sit there for and do nothing for like 10 seconds at the start of the game
Quote from: CrabarmsYeah I got a lot to work on. Usually I do drone a lot better but that was horrible. I thought I would just make a few roaches and not over commit to them just do deal with the hellions and try to not lose as many drones. I could probably hold off with spines,queens and I should really be getting mutas a lot faster.
If you want to be creative/trust your micro, infestors with neural parasite works well vs mech, with ling/roach as support
i'm not so sure i'd go banelings vs mech. the amount of investment you put into banelings to kill even a single thor puts the terran ahead. maybe if you have the confidence to destroy an entire terran army with banelings and then have the money to instantly macro up another ling army to take out the production facilities and end the game, but it's risky
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You don't make Banelings to kill the Thors though, you make the banelings to get rid of the Hellions and you can burrow under the slow-moving Tank/Thor blob to do a lot of damage with the splash before engaging, or just kill his army outright. You can also kill any mass-repairing SCVs pretty easily with the splash. Hellions can kite and kill Banelings fairly easily if the T is actually microing, but uh... well, if this T is an indication of the average T Crabs is facing, it shouldn't be a problem. Normally, I can see the little trail that burrowing Roaches leave, but I wouldn't see a Baneling minefield before my mechblob is scrap metal. As the Hellions will usually cover the Tank/Thor blob, you mainly need to keep an eye on where his force is coming from so you can burrow your banelings in advance. It's even better if you can burrow them at a choke slightly away from your creep so he won't scan for tumors and see the Banes instead.
Also, I suggested Banelings because crabs had TONS of money and even at the end he had a bunch of leftover gas. Terrans HATE speed Banelings with a passion, they HATE watching their Thors and Tanks blow up since they're expensive and take forever to make, and they HATE mutaclouds skimming around the edge of the map picking stuff off. You don't even need all that many mutas or kill too much stuff, just picking off some SCVs, a depot or a tech lab is enough to piss people off. It is, however, IMPERATIVE that you poke around with those Mutas as in a serious fight they're not all that great as part of your army.
i've had very bad luck with baneling mines. mostly because a typical terran will have energy lying around for a few scans, so they're running around killing creep tumors. i can make mines off creep, but my creep spread is usually pretty faar and i can only get the mines so close before they see them. ideally i'd like to drop banelings from overlords. it's fun, but a lot harder to do. there's just not much splash to be had when you're talking about mech play and the size of the units. plus, banelings usually get fucked by seiged tanks before they reach their targets. i just don't really use them against higher level terrans. they know how to deal with them and they become relatively ineffective after a certain point
even if a baneling mine does work, it only works once. after that they're scanning like a madman (which is good because they're not using mules), or bringing a raven everywhere with them.
burrow outside his base lOL
no but idk for sure all i know is that i'm more likely to see roaches moving around down there and if you blow his hellions up his techy shit is incredibly vulnerable since even though tanks do splash they are kind of frail and a tank/thor blob presents fewer targets so each kill counts for more in terms of percentages when you kill units and they also take longer to replace unless the T has like 50 fucking factories (which isn't cheap)
thors hold up incredibly well even against magic boxed mutas if they have armor upgrades which is what i usually get first due to the hellions' great damage vs light, and tank/thor being alright against armored targets
yeah, i've given up on mutas almost completely bar denying medivac drops as terran players seem to put up missile turrets all over mineral lines out of habit and i neve rhave the extra money vs protoss to spend on a muta harass force. my ideal comp is roach infestor brood lord, the problem is getting there
mutas are nice for just chipping away a little at stuff and being an asshole though and you need the spire for broods
I hate mutas
probably because Im a pretty bad terran (and its my main)
Quote from: Tron Sawyermutas are nice for just chipping away a little at stuff and being an asshole though and you need the spire for broods
when fully upgraded, they're actually really decent imo, and not just for little stuff.
also their speed is pretty damn good if you use it to contain your opponent a little.
even fully upgraded they will get raped by a decent blob of marines.. marines are 50 mins. mutas are 100/100 that come from a 200/200 building that when fully upgraded you've spent something insane like 1050/1050 on
i don't see the point in fully upgrading mutas honestly
Quote from: rtileven fully upgraded they will get raped by a decent blob of marines.. marines are 50 mins. mutas are 100/100 that come from a 200/200 building that when fully upgraded you've spent something insane like 1050/1050 on
i don't see the point in fully upgrading mutas honestly
against terran, it's something that just comes along when you upgrade your broodlords
vs. toss it's something that comes along when you upgrade your corruptors, so either way, you can get the upgrades, it'd be advantageous.
also fully upgraded mutas destroy workers so incredibly quickly, same with missile turrets.
you dont get air upgrades for mutas
maybe like +1 damage or something modest like that, but you dont max out for mutas alone
Quote from: psiQuote from: rtileven fully upgraded they will get raped by a decent blob of marines.. marines are 50 mins. mutas are 100/100 that come from a 200/200 building that when fully upgraded you've spent something insane like 1050/1050 on
i don't see the point in fully upgrading mutas honestly
against terran, it's something that just comes along when you upgrade your broodlords
vs. toss it's something that comes along when you upgrade your corruptors, so either way, you can get the upgrades, it'd be advantageous.
also fully upgraded mutas destroy workers so incredibly quickly, same with missile turrets.
if you're going broodlords you want to get GROUND melee and GROUND carapace for the broodlings. broodlords are already pretty beefy and don't really need the extra air armor, and the air attack only affects the 1st broodling hit.
i also don't get upgrades for corruptors either. you just need 8 of them if you want to use them to deal with colossus. one corruption, and it will go down very quickly. but i prefer using infestors with NP or roach focus fire
got promoted to masters in 4v4 random teams
with mass thor
everyone on the other team was complaining LOL
not my fault you fucking niggers only make banshees
we the best
hellion/tank/thor
marauder/ghost
:yeh:
http://bit.ly/ovua2J (http://bit.ly/ovua2J)
41 mins replay of me vs. bluephoenix including a lot of battlecruisers!
also who'd be interested in 2v2 / 3v3 / 4v4 monobattles?
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lmfao is that day9?
anyways, new psi vs. coLRyze replay. I was playing pretty bad and he was basically playing against me to teach some stuff to his student, so he didn't really go all-out either (or probably not even 50% lmao).
yes it's day9 lmao
some fun replays 4 u:
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/01-08-11/1...-VS-DMrtil.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/01-08-11/151687-Eddy-VS-DMrtil.html) <- a ZvP rematch on ladder. i had just played him and he beat me with a pylon wall-in and outmacroed me like crazy even after i had successfully nydus' him. he tries it again with this game, only slightly differently. i think this game is pretty fun to watch and how i was able to catch up.
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/02-08-11/1...-VS-DMrtil.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/02-08-11/151711-Rawr-VS-DMrtil.html) <- a ZvP i probably should not have won, but the timings on the units in this one are oh so perfect. edit: i just rewatched this and i remember why i probably should have lost and it has to do with a hotkey fuckup where i lose a ton of infestors with full energy
both of these replays are on 2 of the new maps
i just fell in love with baneling landmines
here are some entertaining videos i found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfBtxaPHa3c&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfSB-T4dCug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G7173BEFg8
Quote from: cipherhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G7173BEFg8
AAHAHAHAHAHA
it wasn't that great i mean whenever we play with poogs that's basically what it sounds like
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brood war style
anyone who still doesn't have the game and wants to give it a try there is a much larger free demo version available with no time constraints: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/3250656#blog (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/3250656#blog)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WEpP2qpslU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXtH3BGV9W8&NR
this game is hella weird but very entertaining and the ending is quite surprising.
lmfao alright so today i joined some "coaching" channel, some guy was coaching others for free. I wanted to get coached but he said "not now i'm currently coaching a toss". Later, he asked if there was any silver league zerg player and i said "hey i'm one" so he had me play against the toss he was coaching. I won. Then he was like "alright, now watch me, that's how you do it" on the channel, made a new game with me vs. the coach and he lost lmfao.
then he was like "oh well fuck that i wasn't playing too seriously, let me do it my way this time" so we played again and i won again.
fun fun fun
loool
what league was this "coach" in?
Quote from: rtilwhat league was this "coach" in?
it was one of those guys who were "playing on their brother's high silver account but were actually in masters".
http://www.justin.tv/pgnetwork/b/291977756 (http://www.justin.tv/pgnetwork/b/291977756) <--you can watch it here, the game with me vs. the guy he coaches starts at 35minutes in.
HAHAHAHA this is great
he gets his archon stuck in his own base
and in the 2nd game he's just like 'fuck protoss im never doing this again'
Quote from: rtilHAHAHAHA this is great
he gets his archon stuck in his own base
and in the 2nd game he's just like 'fuck protoss im never doing this again'
even better is that i did the exact same strategy 3 times. Well on the third game i also put banelings in there cause i didn't want to lose my roaches to that cannon (i thought there were more cannons).
LOL
this guy is so bad.
Although in his defense, I play pretty terribly when actively talking in skype about the game
edit: actually I take that back, there is no excuse for a 'master' level player to have 1500 minerals at the 10 min mark
read from the bottom and up
i was about to say "hurrion, thunk, thurr" but then i remembered that 'hurr hurr hurr' is part of some gay meme thing i think??? w/e factory units rock fuck you jake
kill the most lose the least commander units all around
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why did he think you guys were cheating?
also, tonight i came across this guy on ladder who i chatted with after our game and he talked about how he once tried going pure infestor for army with only queens, spines and spores on defense.
so after a little bit more small talk he says he's gonna play 1 more ladder game and i say goodbye, only to press the 'find match' button and face off with him again on xel'naga caverns.
in the game we decide to both go spine infestor.
this is the result: http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/07-08-11/1...-VS-DMrtil.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/07-08-11/158676-PrsdntKmacho-VS-DMrtil.html)
Haha great, nice fungals killing almost all his infestors.
Quote from: rtilwhy did he think you guys were cheating?
I assume Horst's quadruple fast expand counts as cheating to a Protoss who 4gates and suicides everything into a bunch of bunkers and tanks and expects to win after going AFK for 5 minutes.
(horst is a fucking asshole)
rtil you should've gotten +3 projectile attack, makes the infested marines worth so much more
aside from that, it was an excellent game. Very fun to watch.
placed a masters 3v3 team
yeh...
hit 450 team random, 500 is SO CLOSE, YET SO FAR...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB_oBi14glU
I guess in that antiga shipyard place, you know when sometimes your opponent's main is next to your third? I guess its close enough for infested terran to be thrown there. I knew tanks could hit it. Could be old news.
yeah, that's why that map is balls. but it's not as bad as searing crater
did some games with crabs and a bronze noob
me and the bronze guy were on skype and he sort of listened to me so we went 4-1 and got plat
Quote from: psilmfao alright so today i joined some "coaching" channel, some guy was coaching others for free.
I like how he sent a probe to scout the close positions in shakuras lol.
haha "WHAT THE, GOD DAMMIT... THIS IS PISSING ME OFF..."
"For now on I'm not protoss I suck dick"
Quote from: CrabarmsI like how he sent a probe to scout the close positions in shakuras lol.
i did not notice that.
this kid is the worst masters league impersonator ever
tried out the started edition on an alt
not exactly sure what the limitations are with friends, but it has achievements and shit linked to your account and in addition to the five first missions you get access to the Xel'Naga Caverns, Shattered Temple, High Orbit and Discord IV maps for customs vs AI
yeah you can't add started edition fags to parties etc but you can add them as friends and stuff
starter*
nvm
i tried dropping down in 2v2 random so it would be easier to farm portraits but it failed since my allies keep winning after i leave WTF
whatever maybe i should get master random 2v2 and 3v3 instead
Quote from: Tron Sawyeri tried dropping down in 2v2 random so it would be easier to farm portraits but it failed since my allies keep winning after i leave WTF
whatever maybe i should get master random 2v2 and 3v3 instead
well yeah 2v2s are usually quicker than 3v3s or 4v4s so i'd guess that farming portraits would go faster. Why not with an ally you know is good tho?
because then we will face harder opponents and it will take longer
why don't you just get someone to go 2v2 bronze with you intentionally
i've done that a couple times but the master faggots i do it with aren't online all the time
but hey if somebody else wants to do it im usually up for some games
also found some old snaps
the sc ghost marines were the best
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I was actually lucky enough to give Starcraft: Ghost a go before it was canned. It was actually pretty fun. I still have a pamphlet that has all the classes, vehicles and gametypes listed in it
Had some hellions dropped in my base and it killed about 10 workers then siege contained but made a crap ton of lings and went around that little rail near the third (xelnaga) and just destroyed his base, he had a tank up there but never had it in siege mode.
commie space marines?
shit's even worse than i'd imagined
commies?
lmfao oh god, the new funday monday is fucking hilarious
http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-337-p1-f...-monday-5452952 (http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-337-p1-funday-monday-5452952)
http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-337-p2-f...-monday-5453003 (http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-337-p2-funday-monday-5453003)
HAHAHHAHAHAH 15 minutes in this is fucking amazing
been playing again these last couple of days so anyone who feels like playing with/against im down can use the practice
Quote from: Tron Sawyerbut hey if somebody else wants to do it im usually up for some games
sure msg me on skype
Got the ultralisk thing from the 750 wins. But I loss more than I should of and just kept going at it being impatient. Its just a portrait but I sorta been eying on it when I first started to look at portraits and didn't think I would get it.
gj one of the better zerg unlock sets
damn crabarms you have surpassed my win count i only just recently got the infestor
me and psi did some 2v2s for the next funday monday
will continue tomorrow probably
hit 600 team terran
Quote from: Tron Sawyerme and psi did some 2v2s for the next funday monday
will continue tomorrow probably
hit 600 team terran
that definitely was fun. grats on 600 wins btw, 150 more to go.
Quote from: Tron Sawyernot exactly sure what the limitations are with friends, but it has achievements and shit linked to your account and in addition to the five first missions you get access to the Xel'Naga Caverns, Shattered Temple, High Orbit and Discord IV maps for customs vs AI
Actually, I'm pretty sure you can join custom games on the maps available and play against other players, not just the AI, which I guess is pretty cool. No ladder access, though.
fucking hell i lost to mass voidray on ladder again
now i remember why i stopped laddering, that is stupid as fuck. Even with mass hydra +1 attack upgrade he killed me, it's just insane.
e. ..queens, why didn't i think of that!
yeah hydras are not great against void rays unless you have them in bulk.
In all honesty the best counter to mass void rays is to not let your opponent get that many void rays to begin with.
fungal growth
Quote from: Tron Sawyerfungal growth
This definitely works, but if they have enough void rays (especially if they are charged), you are almost guaranteed to lose the infestor that goes in for the fungal. Late game you can probably afford that for what it's worth, but earlier on its a little risky to take that route (you'd need a bunch of them anyways if you wanted to kill anything)
http://www.mediafire.com/?0boos0y4r0enoss (http://www.mediafire.com/?0boos0y4r0enoss)
How the bronze pros do it
Player comments here:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/sear...s/sc2/melee/808 (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Kr_UIF1n_CUJ:starcraft.org/replays/sc2/melee/808)
e: link was dead, WHOOPS
Quote from: cipherQuote from: Tron Sawyerfungal growth
This definitely works, but if they have enough void rays (especially if they are charged), you are almost guaranteed to lose the infestor that goes in for the fungal. Late game you can probably afford that for what it's worth, but earlier on its a little risky to take that route (you'd need a bunch of them anyways if you wanted to kill anything)
Healthy mix of Hydras, Infestors, Mutalisks and Corruptors should do the trick. Honestly, with Psi being in like Silver or whatever, he just needs to make more shit.
if you really want help with something you encountered on ladder, post the replay. then we can tell you what you did wrong. you should never lose to mass void ray. voids have been nerfed twice since retail release.
More like 4 or 5 times, their speed was removed, their charge was nerfed, their damage is only good against massive, etc... VRs weren't fun to deal with on launch because they could either outrun their counters or just kill them with absurd amounts of damage.
the charge was both nerfed and buffed. and the bonus to massive i think helps them fit the role they are good at
they were good at just outright killing everything when they were charged, even stimmed marines had trouble dealing with them
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^post speed upgrade removal
i think that's the first time i've seen a hsm reach its target
after like 9-10 months of not unlocking any portrait... i finally got the hydra lmfao
100 1v1 wins as zerg
good luck catching up to crabs
Quote from: rtili think that's the first time i've seen a hsm reach its target
Not a problem if you can stall the voids with marines/turrets/etc. They match pace with voids so even a brief stop will allow the missiles to hit, and if you carefully micro they will take losses no matter what. Ravens aren't a viable strategy in most games, but they are really fun to use.
what the fuck i let a CERTAIN SOMEONE play on my fucking account and what do i come back to??? a bunch of 1v1 losses and a full block list WTF!!!
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papercraft battlecuiser
same polycount it looks like too
yeah they just decompile and print out the 3D models with a few minor modifications to make them easier to assemble
I wasn't even playing that good. This guy just goes off at me after his deathball is destroyed.
http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=172590 (http://www.sc-replay.com/download.php?id=172590)
[ 1 mins ] MyTHConVex » glhf!
[ 1 mins ] Crabarms » gl hf
[ 25 mins ] MyTHConVex » your a joke.
[ 25 mins ] MyTHConVex » zerg is so overpowered.
[ 25 mins ] MyTHConVex » rofl
[ 26 mins ] MyTHConVex » fuck this game.
You: nice match bro
MyTHConVex has reconnected.
MyTHConVex: OP infestors
You: was real fun
MyTHConVex: i might just switch to zerg because its free wins
You: cool
maybe we can have a team
and just make infestors
MyTHConVex: yup.
You: or maybe have an expansion just about zergs
MyTHConVex: and we would get grandmastes
You: yeah nothing anyone can do
MyTHConVex: yup.
You: so should just give up
MyTHConVex: yup.
You: and cry about it on blizz forums
MyTHConVex: well not give up
just switch to zerg
its not to late
for free wins
You: EZ
MyTHConVex: EZ
ez
ez
ez
ez
ez
ez
what are you CombatEX
You: Yeah I switched to zerg
MyTHConVex: oh for sure
every one is doing it now
You: I couldn't cannon rush you
MyTHConVex: its not to late for free wins
You: I dont even know how to make high templaar
MyTHConVex: no point in high templar
cant get close enough
for FB
You: Nope
Just easier to cry about it
MyTHConVex: well there is no way to counter it.
you can feedback them
cant
cause they fungal you can run
and rinse and repeat
fucking bullshit
You: Cant A Move them
MyTHConVex: cant a move at all
fucking trapped in place
by fucking OP infestor
You: NOPE
Nice talking to you, have a good day
MyTHConVex: you to,
――――――――――――――――
MyTHConVex: hope you quit zerg
You: nah I dont cry about races
MyTHConVex: you would if it was absolute horse shit
and free wins to any zerg
You: Nope before infestors I was playing and having fun
MyTHConVex: they will get nerfed soon
so everyone can have fun again
insted of horse shit zerg
You: will still play and not have to have so many zvz
from the stupid fotm rerolls
see you soon
MyTHConVex: yup, this server is 90% zerg
cause everybody wants free wins
You: ok
good bye now friend
MyTHConVex: good bye
what is he talking about protoss is the most played race and the most obnoxious one
Probably not the best position on that first deathball fight. Too many infestors upfront and He had 3 armor while mine was slowly starting and +3 attack shortly coming.
I should of never made the hydra den, but I wasn't sure if he was going to remake air or if he pushed with a bunch of immortals when I make roaches. Got the overseer which probably saved me considering he had a few in his new smaller deathball way later in the match. Had an idea that he was expanding (thought possibly blink stalker).
Quote from: CrabarmsI should of never made the hydra den
we all have our regrets
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omg her armpits must be so sore
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i find this image funny
idra is diamond level
actually he's grandmasters... but uh he has been struggling ever since he got laid
ok i take it back he's gold level
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmkZPeZ6H2Y&feature=feedu
there is nothing interesting to see in this video but I thought I'd post it anyways
man whoever was playin that was a total noob
only a vanishingly small percentage of the people who completed the campaign completed it on brutal difficulty
oh
if i had known that they were showcasing it at the gamescon i would've gotten tickets. It's not "too" far away from where I live.
http://www.own3d.tv/video/183126/Blizzard_...e_GamesCom_2011 (http://www.own3d.tv/video/183126/Blizzard_Press_Conference_GamesCom_2011)
mengsk dies
that was pretty interesting, but mostly for the diablo 3 info. none of the sc2 info was new, hoping for more stuff @ blizzcon.
kerrigan has to gather a bunch of fags to bumrush korhal's defenses to kill mengsk because she hates him
this would leave the terran dominion shattered, resulting in the possible growth of the kel-morian combine and umojan protectorate (mentioned as possible hostile terran factions for HotS) and the combine is just as bad or worse than the dominion except their name isn't as cool, unless valerian miraculously survives, grows some balls and takes the reins up and finds someone to replace warfield (one of kerrigan's targets) though nobody can ever replace edmund duke
it doesn't sound like it will advance the dark voice/hybrid crap much which is fine by me, leave the gay and boring aspects of the story to the protoss!!!
no one could replace that badass crazy blue/grey haired gorilla. it saddens me he was killed off so trivially on a zerg expansion mission
i'd rather raynor die
mengsk and duke were such a badass combo
warfield just sucked
Quote from: Tron Sawyeri'd rather raynor die
mengsk and duke were such a badass combo
warfield just sucked
Fenix was the best Starcraft character and you know it
Quote from: Tron Sawyerkerrigan has to gather a bunch of fags to bumrush korhal's defenses to kill mengsk because she hates him
this would leave the terran dominion shattered, resulting in the possible growth of the kel-morian combine and umojan protectorate (mentioned as possible hostile terran factions for HotS) and the combine is just as bad or worse than the dominion except their name isn't as cool, unless valerian miraculously survives, grows some balls and takes the reins up and finds someone to replace warfield (one of kerrigan's targets) though nobody can ever replace edmund duke
it doesn't sound like it will advance the dark voice/hybrid crap much which is fine by me, leave the gay and boring aspects of the story to the protoss!!!
um fuck that the infested samir duran was way cooler
raynor dying would make the story much more interesting
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oh yeah that reminds me i got a warning from blizzard a couple days ago for saying 'eat my fuck'
in april
2 hour + long mono battle.
CC was in a corner and I just mined out everything. I didn't want to lose and had something else to do.
I don't understand people who do that in mono battles, same thing with cheeseing
the game doesn't fucking count for anything, why do you still want to ruin it for everyone
Yeah its not like its a tournament or anything where something could be gained from winning.
Raw: everything zerg does is cheese
are you fucking retarded
banelings = cheese
anything that i lose to = cheese
mass 3/3 hellions against ling/infestor is clearly cheese NO IT'S NOT IT'S THE ONLY DAMN UNIT THAT DOESN'T SUCK DOG DICK AGAINST EVERYTHING
by the time you have 3/3 vehicle upgrades for mass blue flame hellions i'd have so many lings, infestors and larva it wouldn't work or matter
i have seen more and more terrans getting a little ridiculous with hellion production, trying drops and making 20 or 30 instead of 3 or 4. it's mildly scary, but in reality a ling surround with a few roaches or infestors kills them all rather quickly.. and once i'm aware of a mass hellion build it's fairly easy to stop and deal with. personally i'm more scared of a mech build with more variety. throw in some thors, seige tanks and maybe even a few banshees, that's an army that zerg will be afraid of
rather than one that should be massed and sent out on their own, i see hellions as a support unit. in that role, they're more effective. this is just coming from a zerg perspective. mech+marine or marauder is difficult for me to deal with, more difficult than any other unit composition in the game. the army synergizes so well and the firepower is so great that it's hard to overcome without having a serious upper hand in the engagement. and i know someone's about to say brood lords, but the tech is rather pointless when there's a good chance you have a reactor and a starport sitting around and can hard counter my expensive t3 unit almost instantly. and ultralisks suck vs mech.
Quote from: rtilby the time you have 3/3 vehicle upgrades for mass blue flame hellions i'd have so many lings, infestors and larva it wouldn't work or matter
i have seen more and more terrans getting a little ridiculous with hellion production, trying drops and making 20 or 30 instead of 3 or 4. it's mildly scary, but in reality a ling surround with a few roaches or infestors kills them all rather quickly.. and once i'm aware of a mass hellion build it's fairly easy to stop and deal with. personally i'm more scared of a mech build with more variety. throw in some thors, seige tanks and maybe even a few banshees, that's an army that zerg will be afraid of
rather than one that should be massed and sent out on their own, i see hellions as a support unit. in that role, they're more effective. this is just coming from a zerg perspective. mech+marine or marauder is difficult for me to deal with, more difficult than any other unit composition in the game. the army synergizes so well and the firepower is so great that it's hard to overcome without having a serious upper hand in the engagement. and i know someone's about to say brood lords, but the tech is rather pointless when there's a good chance you have a reactor and a starport sitting around and can hard counter my expensive t3 unit almost instantly. and ultralisks suck vs mech.
thor tank marine banshee was actually extremely popular in the beta already. I can't deal with that either and i wonder why people don't do that too often anymore.
Quote from: rtilby the time you have 3/3 vehicle upgrades for mass blue flame hellions i'd have so many lings, infestors and larva it wouldn't work or matter
i have seen more and more terrans getting a little ridiculous with hellion production, trying drops and making 20 or 30 instead of 3 or 4. it's mildly scary, but in reality a ling surround with a few roaches or infestors kills them all rather quickly.. and once i'm aware of a mass hellion build it's fairly easy to stop and deal with. personally i'm more scared of a mech build with more variety. throw in some thors, seige tanks and maybe even a few banshees, that's an army that zerg will be afraid of
rather than one that should be massed and sent out on their own, i see hellions as a support unit. in that role, they're more effective. this is just coming from a zerg perspective. mech+marine or marauder is difficult for me to deal with, more difficult than any other unit composition in the game. the army synergizes so well and the firepower is so great that it's hard to overcome without having a serious upper hand in the engagement. and i know someone's about to say brood lords, but the tech is rather pointless when there's a good chance you have a reactor and a starport sitting around and can hard counter my expensive t3 unit almost instantly. and ultralisks suck vs mech.
I don't send Hellions on their own though, I just dump all my minerals into them to cover the Tanks and Thors. Fungal doesn't do extra damage to them as they aren't armored, and since they are larger than marines you can't fungal as many at a time, while they still piss all over Zerglings in any way, shape or form. You're also wrong, they're not a support unit at all, they have a great deal of utility and can be used in a multitude of roles, from meat shield to map control and harass, being especially good at not just killing workers, but also larvae if they have blue flame. There's no reason ever to make Marines instead of Hellions against Zerg aside from adding extra DPS to handle mutalisks. They have greater speed, damage potential and survivability, at the cost of not being able to shoot up. The splash makes up for the low rate of fire, and their ability to flank and outrun makes them critical to the success of any Terran army. With the larger map sizes, the Infestor buff and Tank nerf, Hellions are left as the best option for a general purpose combat unit with enough flexibility to take on almost anything you throw at it.
Also, like I've said before; Ultralisks are probably the scariest thing I ever have to deal with. I hate fighting the fucking things, but I usually try to kill Zerg players before they even have infestors, so it's never been an issue in 1v1.
I always aim for either bio, mech or air so I can max out upgrades and then just supplement with other units if necessary, such as Marauders to handle Roaches better or Vikings for Broodlords.
i guess what i meant by support unit is that they are not that strong by themselves, they need other things with them for them to truly shine. i have destroyed hellions with ling infestor easily on their own. they can't run away if they're being fungaled, and their splash is only effective before zerglings get a surround, then the unit is dead. roaches destroy hellions, even blue flame barely hurts them. at the very least it keeps you off the creep. and when i see hellions i know more mech is coming, so it gives me time to prepare.
but like i said, ultras suck vs mech. it's one things ultras are bad at dealing with and there's really no reason to be afraid of them. a single thor will beat an ultralisk, and with marauders, seige tanks and aerial support they're a huge waste of money in that situation. i prefer brood lords mostly because they force seige tanks to unseige and if they're supported properly they are nearly unstoppable. it's like the zerg slow push.
also here's a good zvz replay from last night:
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/21-08-11/1...il-VS-Neco.html (http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/21-08-11/181544-DMrtil-VS-Neco.html)
uhhh no a single thor doesn't beat an ultra one on one unless he's on a cliff and you run around like a dumbass letting him shoot you
they might beat them with strike cannons because it ignores armor but um you know "lol strike cannons" and all that, most zerg units aren't strong enough for it to be worthwhile and ultras ignore the stun effect so its not very effective either way
ultras are better against mech because hellions do very poor damage to them, tanks have a slow rof and thors aren't as strong, nor can they be produced as fast, while bio can just stim and stutterstep around
thors also freak out whenever there are air units nearby because the AI always prioritizes air units over ground
lings cant surround hellions if the T uses terrain to his advantage/has enough hellions plus i would rather have my hellions fungaled than my tanks or thors neuraled
you're right about a thor losing to an ultralisk i just looked it up, but going ultra vs mech , i just think it's downright stupid. the power of the ultra is in the splash. it's better versus bio because of how they ball up and the ultra doing that splash. ultras synergize really well with ling bling but honestly i would rather have brood lords vs mass mech. i play against diamond terrans all the time on ladder and i have been for months. once the ultras are dead you're in a lot of trouble. brood lords, before vikings become a nuisance or you're out of resources to counter them, are waaaaaaay better. they don't suffer from the pathing issues that ultras do and they break seige lines without your army having to take any damage whatsoever, while forcing terran to either attack prematurely or move back.
just ask the zerg community. most of them will pick brood lords over ultras , in almost any situation. i am not saying ultras are bad. i use them sometimes. but for the investment versus a mech heavy army, it's not worth it. the only situation they perform worse in is mass chargelot.
from what i've heard and seen, zerg players go broods, force vikings, then go ultras and smash the remaining ground forces
and no, for splash you're better off with just infestors or banelings, ultras are strong because of their high armor and hp while mech is good at killing units with low health, as i mentioned before though burrowed banelings are incredibly dangerous even to armored targets because they have the greatest splash radius in the game, but in a straight up fight ultras are the better choice simply because they're so much harder to kill and the splash damage of the mech force is mostly negated by their large size and health, ling/bling/infestor/ultra should be more than capable of dealing with a mech army and will roll all over everything if you catch him unsieged
also, there is no such thing as premature when it comes to attacking for terran - they should be doing it constantly, that's why hellions and banshees are both good units as they can both harass and function as part of the main army, unlike reapers
terran needs to streamline as much as possible to keep up later on, which is why i'm not a fan of mixed armies since i need upgrades for bio, mech and air seperately, which is generally not very efficient
marine/tank isn't as annoying though because the armory is required to unlock further bio upgrades and only weapons upgrades are required for tanks, however marine/tank is for faggots so i still refuse to do it lOL
burrowed banelings are nice, but they only work once or twice vs competent opponents. then the terran is either scanning all the time (which is nice cuz he's losing mules) or gets a raven. burrowed banelings also require that your opponent makes the choice of walking directly over the banelings, which cannot always be guaranteed especially on larger maps.
by prematurely attacking i am talking about a slow push tank contain, where the terran has map control, is killing creep and is forcing the zerg to make a decision of when to defend, while rallying their new units towards the front line and leapfrogging tanks.
brood lords take the guess work out of when to strike the slow push army, and send the terran retreating or scrambling a blob of stimmed marines to try and take out the brood lords, which gives you the instant opportunity to attack with your ground forces.
and i never said ultras were the go-to unit for splash. i said they have splash, and that's what makes their attack useful to the zerg army. and unlike banelings their high hp guarantees at least a few hits before they die, whereas banelings can be easily avoided if there are not infestors on the field.
ultras are too expensive to just be a meat shield. they're only worth what they cost if you kill their equivalent in resources. marine heavy bioballs get the most bang for your buck.
So I'm starting to notice that the best zerg counter to a 10 pool is building a spine crawler behind their mineral line (with your scout) and hoping they don't notice it until its done. It has worked a surprising amount of times.
HAHA that's worked a few times for me except i usually don't ever intend to. my scouting drone will still be alive and i don't feel like sending it back to my base so i'll just build a spine crawler. half the time they never notice it
wait people 10pool in 1v1 WTF
sometimes
It happened to me 3/5 games last night
Quote from: Tron Sawyerwait people 10pool in 1v1 WTF
yeah rtil did that vs me ages ago AND LOST
did some COOL team games with COOL people like crabarms we'll do more another time
Got bunker rushed. I seen it coming but they had 2 scv's and once the ramp got blocked I couldn't do much. I made a few spines and tried to creep up and got some banelings and made him run back to his base. This was on the Shattered Temple close positions so I attacked the rocks and they most of been deaf or oblivious that I could come that way and just destroyed all his shit.
oh yeah did some more teams with crabs last night
we ended up playing with some bronze idiot who was convinced hydras were good at killing tanks aaand the last game we played with him he left and i got like 10k minerals and 5k gas
i dont mind losing but i do mind allies who are GAY AS SHIT and cant do anything useful
then we played with cipher and went 4-1
we lost the last game because i was being an asshole and tried to tech straight to 3/3 ultras and we got owned by a gay ass protoss deathball since we didn't have shit (i should have gone mass infestor)
as of THIS MOMENT i only need 4 more team random wins for mira han
http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=7172 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/download.php?f=7172)
500th team random win, it's a good one
i wrecked 3 fags who tried to marine rush us with hellions
250-300 kills at the end of the game
note to self: probes are not effective against marines
I tried changing my hotkey style. I also turned off mouse acceleration. The combined effects of me not being able to click things and the constant sending of them to the wrong place caused me to lose 4 or 5 1v1s in a row.
I think I'll stick to team games until I have my shit down
yeah i tried grid and i was completely lost since im so used to normal hotkeys
even though i only use s, b+s, b+r, b+b, b, v+f and c
yeah what I'm trying is binding all my hatcheries in 6, which I also have bound to ~
As a result of that everything else gets moved over 1 spot. So in my games I keep ending up with like a hybrid of my old and new bindings
default hotkeys work fine for me, except for backspace which i remapped to spacebar
Quote from: rtildefault hotkeys work fine for me, except for backspace which i remapped to spacebar
yeah I have done that myself. I just really don't like having hatcheries/queens on 4/5.
I've actually had 6/~ bound together for a while but I would usually just stick an overseer on there or whatever
New PTR notes have been posted
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1213111662 (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1213111662)
Hellion
Infernal Pre-Igniter damage upgrade decreased from 10 to 5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs
Infestor
Fungal Growth damage changed from 36 (+30% armored) to 30 (40 vs Armored).
:(
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1213111662 (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1213111662)
hidden zerg buffs
Canceling more than one of the same structure at the same time as Zerg will add all Drones to the selection.
Fixed an issue where Drone attacks could be more easily dodged than SCV or Probes.
Attack upgrades are now retained by units controlled by Neural Parasite.
nothing really surprising here except the mothership speed increase.
fungal is still awesome btw. still 2 shots marines, 3 shots hydra/roach and 4 shots stalkers (if you fungal in perfect succession).
basically the entire patch is a nerf to TvP
i'll still kill zergs with hellions, it doesn't fucking matter, but i need more hellions to deal with chargelots, it takes longer to bunker up vs protoss pressure, walling leaves terran vulnerable to immortal busts etc (because they have longer range) dt drops are more viable and late game colossi will still be fucking gay
i could accept and deal with all of this if they at least like dicked colo a little bit
i feel like pvp blink rush will be a lot easier to deal with and my old pvp strat (3 stalker rush every game for scouting) might actually be entirely plausible now
i feel like midgame and lategame pvz will be considerably less obnoxious with the infestor nerf and my heavy templar tech style will be a little bit more viable against zerg
blueflame nerf, well, blueflame had it coming. i dunno how this will impact my terran matchups, because i was a big fan of biomech previously, so i'm not sure how i'll like the new hellions now. maybe i'll find a new love for thors or something. if not, there's always bio+air
immortal range buff, fuck yes
warp prism shield buff, fuck yes
mothership speed buff, what? why? also fuck yes
blink research time nerf, not a huge deal, probably means i'll only FE against zerg now because there are officially no 1 base timings i enjoy against z anymore. you'd think this would be upsetting but i actually prefer fe anyway
hunter seeker missile buff, well shit, the odds of me playing with bio-air has just increased a whole 2%
overseer changes, well the cost change was reasonable. i don't see how contaminate was a problem, but ok
ultralisk changes, i'd probably find this as obnoxious as infestors in lategame pvz, but it's not nearly as much of a problem now that i have my new baller immortals
and i think that's all of them. also unit vision up ramp decreased is nice and further solves the issues with 4gate imo
Overseer & Brood Lord cocoons can now display waypoint lines when issuing queued patrol orders.
that makes me very happy
also:
Repeated control group and selection commands will no longer count as unique actions for APM calculation purposes.
see diamond level players drop to an apm of 50
dunno i had an apm of 100 during that hellion game i posted which kind of surprised me
ive only hit 100 once before that ive known of, and that was with a bunch of blink stalkers of all things gay
yo could everyone post their character code? ie mine is sinitron 600
Crabarms 268
there was a thread but its outdated due to name changes in the past.
DMpsi 137
we should compile them all into one mega post maybe
Cipher 768
just post em for now
i'll take care of the rest
well it seems I've almost fully undone my losing streak with a winning streak
Ashington 215
Gladius 570
anyone up for a tba tournament?
That could be fun. But isn't there sorta less people playing from before, and I remember last time that Time was a pretty big issue.
No I did not participate but watched the streams.
sure I'd do it.
Or we could just do a TBA night and try to get a bunch of people on at once and then just do team games or customs or something
Quote from: cipherteam games
MY MIDDLE NAME
Quote from: ciphersure I'd do it.
Or we could just do a TBA night and try to get a bunch of people on at once and then just do team games or customs or something
Did somebody say.. RAYNOR PARTY??!
fuck no
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^this one's pretty cute.
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^lmfao
Lionsef 558
sinister just made an official sc2 thread (http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=11241) with a list of friend codes on the first post so i'm locking this one. all future sc2 discussion can go there.