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Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: W.A.C. on October 1, 2009 03:15 AM
Over a year ago, I pretty much stopped paying attention to Newgrounds. While my interest started to seriously decline around fall '07, it wasn't until about spring '08 when I lost interest completely. However, I recently got a new computer and regained interest in the site. As a result, I've been watching and playing a lot of flashes lately. Before I left, it seemed like the standards on the site for flash animation kept increasing throughout the years. From the site's launch of the portal system to 2007, the standards seemed to increase every year. Sure, there has always been a lot of overrated shit on the site, but at least there was some kind of balance between the overrated stuff and high quality flashes. Sometime between 2007 and 2008, that balance seemed to have faded. I just took a good look at the top 100 highest ranked flashes listing and it's stunning how fucking horrible the animation is for so many of these flashes. What really blew my mind was the fact an Adam Phillips flash wasn't even in the top 100. How the fuck could that have happened? Did 4Chan users take over a huge portion of the audience? Did Gaia fuckers do this? Did YouTube using faggots make their place at home in the NG Portal? Which group(s) of people caused the site to have an overabundance of ridiculously generous voters who are fans of absolute shit? It used to be that if a flash had been part of the top 100 for years, it must have some fucking merit and there were quite a lot of aging flashes in the top 100. Now there isn't a single flash on that listing from before 2007 and very few flashes from '07 at all. I originally assumed these '07 flashes are probably some of the highest quality stuff on Newgrounds but after looking at most of them, I found out that I was very, so very wrong. :/

27. Newgrounds Rumble (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/381115)

The only '07 flash from the top 50. While I like this flash game a lot, I find it sad how this is the only flash from that year to remain on the top 50.

57. :the Composer: (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/400974)

Is this flash symbolic for when the site's community started to absolutely fucking lose it when it comes to knowing the difference between high and mediocre animation? To give the animator some credit, the artwork is polished but the animation sucks. How the fuck did this thing remain at such a high standard for so long? It's crap.

83. Mario RPG: Rawest Forest (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/382576)

Are you fucking kidding me? The animation and art looks horrible. How long did it take this guy to animate this? A fucking week? How the hell is it ranked so high? While I admit that I like the Awesome series, did that flash series' influences cause shit like this to be ranked so high? What the fucking hell?

93. Mardek Rpg: Chapter 2 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/408513)

Maybe it's a good game or it might not. I don't know know because I don't have the patience to play this right now.

98. It's Freakin' Luigi (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/381713)

I remember watching It's Freakin' Mario years ago and could find either barely any humor or none at all. This flash pulls the same exact shit and wow, I could have never imagined an '07 flash like this being ranked so high. None of the jokes are funny, none of the flash animation is even slightly impressive for sprite movie standards, and it's fucking short. Can someone explain to me why this is ranked so high? I can't figure it out.

100. Mambolawyer (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404770)

Oh... My... Fucking... God... Easily the most painful to watch out of all the ones I mentioned. Horrible fucking animation, horrible fucking characters, generic as hell art style, and one really horrible plot. This is even worse than the animator's most recent work. ._.

Has the bar been raised at all for flash animation since the release of Waterlollies? It seems like flash animation in general has surpassed its prime long ago. :/ Maybe the reason why flash submissions no longer show their ranking in the portal is because the scores are an embarrassment to the site. <_<

Edit-

No, I'm not forgetting about There She Is!! steps 3-5. The flash animation for that series has always been fantastic but I'm not sure if I would rank it as the most well animated thing on Newgrounds.
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: jjjjjjjjjj on October 1, 2009 03:35 AM
see guys if i was still mod i would have locked this thread for its shitty newgrounds babble
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: rtil on October 1, 2009 03:36 AM
Quote from: W.A.C.Over a year ago, I pretty much stopped paying attention to Newgrounds.
this is a good stopping point
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: ZekeySpaceyLizard on October 1, 2009 03:39 AM
lawl
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: ZekeySpaceyLizard on October 1, 2009 04:05 AM
also a large LOL at looking at newgrounds hoping to find cartoons that raise the bar anymore

god damn you're dumb.
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: W.A.C. on October 1, 2009 04:17 AM
Well, the bar used to be raised pretty much every year. :/
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: retrosmash on October 1, 2009 04:19 AM
ohgb noy ;anewgroundsc

Quote from: W.A.C.Well, the bar used to be raised pretty much every year. :/
not really
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: ZekeySpaceyLizard on October 1, 2009 04:42 AM
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Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: jjjjjjjjjj on October 1, 2009 04:43 AM
Quote from: J_Seedsee guys if i was still mod i would have locked this thread for its shitty newgrounds babble
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Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: RobHalford on October 1, 2009 04:48 AM
Mardek is a very good game.
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: retrosmash on October 1, 2009 05:10 AM
i'll rate ur favorite kind of PIE XD XD XD on scale of 1-10 gogo
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: W.A.C. on October 1, 2009 05:33 AM
Quote from: retrosmashnot really
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How was it not raised pretty much every year from 2000-2007?

-In '03, flash movies in general were becoming much better in quality compared to flashes from previous years.
-In '04, flashes such as There she is!!!, Prowlies at the River, and Fallen Angel: Teaser released.
-In '05, flashes such as There she is!! step 2, Ambush! (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/260996), and littleFoot released.
-In '06, flashes such as the YuYu and Future released.
-In '07, Waterlollies released.
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
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Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: Engineer on October 1, 2009 05:48 AM
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Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: sentry gun on October 1, 2009 05:48 AM
Quote from: W.A.C.
Quote from: retrosmashnot really
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How was it not raised pretty much every year from 2000-2007?

-In '03, flash movies in general were becoming much better in quality compared to flashes from previous years.
-In '04, flashes such as There she is!!!, Prowlies at the River, and Fallen Angel: Teaser released.
-In '05, flashes such as There she is!! step 2, Ambush! (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/260996), and littleFoot released.
-In '06, flashes such as the YuYu and Future released.
-In '07, Waterlollies released.

what kind of post is this
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: Engineer on October 1, 2009 05:50 AM
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Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
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Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
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Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: retrosmash on October 1, 2009 05:57 AM
ok i give
what gay video game is this again
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: jjjjjjjjjj on October 1, 2009 05:58 AM
Quote from: retrosmashok i give
what gay video game is this again
halo 3
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: Engineer on October 1, 2009 05:59 AM
Quote from: retrosmashok i give
what gay video game is this again

battletoads for windows95
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: Necronomitr0n on October 1, 2009 06:01 AM
Quote from: retrosmashok i give
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Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: Happy on October 1, 2009 06:16 AM
Flash has just gotten easier to hide your flaws with. In flash 8 they introduced blurs, and they keep adding shit like that. So for awhile the upped framerates were able to be used as a disguise for shitty art. Most likely you're just getting older and your sense of what sucks is less low now.

I was looking at NG the just earlier today (I used to go a lot in 03-04), and sqiugglevision is like super popular now. It makes sense for something like home movies which isn't trying to look good... but why the hell would you ink something 3 times badly instead of just inking it well one time?

I still don't get why people use the gradient tool in flash. It never looks good.

It really depends on who's popular at the time, because newgrounds is full of imitators. Back when I was 13 and I tried making my DCK knockoff, I had a lot of trouble voice acting because I thought I wasn't supposed to change my natural voice at all. The problem with NG is that the 'experienced' artists suck, because anyone who's really good usually just hates the site. So we even have people who imitate eddsworld's style, if you can call it a style.
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: rtil on October 1, 2009 06:53 AM
Quote from: W.A.C.-In '03, flash movies in general were becoming much better in quality compared to flashes from previous years.
-In '04, flashes such as There she is!!!, Prowlies at the River, and Fallen Angel: Teaser released.
-In '05, flashes such as There she is!! step 2, Ambush! (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/260996), and littleFoot released.
-In '06, flashes such as the YuYu and Future released.
-In '07, Waterlollies released.
so the same two authors released new cartoons for a few years
and this is significant in what way
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: lenko on October 1, 2009 07:01 AM
WAC newgrounds is not the be-all and end-all of flash animation


Look elsewhere for once goddamn
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: W.A.C. on October 1, 2009 07:25 AM
Quote from: HappyFlash has just gotten easier to hide your flaws with. In flash 8 they introduced blurs, and they keep adding shit like that. So for awhile the upped framerates were able to be used as a disguise for shitty art. Most likely you're just getting older and your sense of what sucks is less low now.
It's definitely a lot easier to hide artistic flaws now than in the past but yeah, my standards for quality animation are a lot higher than it used to be.

Quote from: rtilso the same two authors released new cartoons for a few years
and this is significant in what way
It's more than just a couple of artists and my whole point was that standards for flash animation kept increasing as the years went by.

Quote from: lenkabiscaWAC newgrounds is not the be-all and end-all of flash animation

Look elsewhere for once goddamn
Any recommendations?
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
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Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: rtil on October 1, 2009 07:44 AM
you're just imagining it because you're jaded
newgrounds was never the place for any standards
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: W.A.C. on October 1, 2009 08:20 AM
Quote from: rtilyou're just imagining it because you're jaded
I'm not jaded.

Quote from: rtilnewgrounds was never the place for any standards
I strongly disagree. I'm not saying the community ever had extremely high standards or anything like that, but it had some.
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: jjjjjjjjjj on October 1, 2009 08:32 AM
Quote from: W.A.C.
Quote from: rtilnewgrounds was never the place for any standards
I strongly disagree. I'm not saying the community ever had extremely high standards or anything like that, but it had some.
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Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: ZekeySpaceyLizard on October 1, 2009 08:43 AM
Quote from: W.A.C.I'm not saying the community ever had extremely high standards or anything like that, but it had some.

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Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: LordZeebmork on October 1, 2009 02:32 PM
Quote from: W.A.C.-In '03, flash movies in general were becoming much better in quality compared to flashes from previous years.
-In '04, flashes such as There she is!!!, Prowlies at the River, and Fallen Angel: Teaser released.
-In '05, flashes such as There she is!! step 2, Ambush! (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/260996), and littleFoot released.
-In '06, flashes such as the YuYu and Future released.
-In '07, Waterlollies released.
ok so the same two overrated hacks released well-animated series garbage with absolutely no plot and no merit besides the animation
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: rtil on October 1, 2009 04:53 PM
Quote from: W.A.C.
Quote from: rtilyou're just imagining it because you're jaded
I'm not jaded.
being jaded isn't always a bad thing. when you're younger you're more easily impressed. some people (most of newgrounds) never grow out of that, but you did.
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: DrRumack on October 4, 2009 01:35 AM
about a month ago, coldhardflash.com posted a college humor video featuring mario sprites having sex

no the standards have not risen
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: ZekeySpaceyLizard on October 4, 2009 01:46 AM
Quote from: MrScriblamabout a month ago, coldhardflash.com posted a college humor video featuring mario sprites having sex

no the standards have not risen

i tried to forget that happened
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: jjjjjjjjjj on October 4, 2009 01:47 AM
Quote from: Zekey
Quote from: MrScriblamabout a month ago, coldhardflash.com posted a college humor video featuring mario sprites having sex

no the standards have not risen

i tried to forget that happened
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: Necronomitr0n on October 4, 2009 03:30 AM
wac did you not get the memo about NG discussion being outlawed
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: W.A.C. on October 5, 2009 01:56 AM
Quote from: systechowac did you not get the memo about NG discussion being outlawed
There was a memo?
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: rtil on October 5, 2009 01:59 AM
Quote from: W.A.C.
Quote from: systechowac did you not get the memo about NG discussion being outlawed
There was a memo?
this is the 21st century and you don't have a fax machine? ...noob
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: Ying on October 5, 2009 11:25 PM
what the hell, WAC

there were a bunch of great submissions in '08. just because you don't remember them doesn't mean that the quality of flash is decreasing. also, the list of movies you claim raise the bar were made from two or three people - there are dozens upon dozens of artists that made extraordinary things and you're ignoring them because adam phillips didn't submit a flash that year.

need we be reminded of that week "Bowser's Kingdom" got all 5 weekly awards in 2007?

tl;dr fuck you and newgrounds is a horrible website
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: RobHalford on October 6, 2009 02:05 AM
Uh, yeah, THE EVIL GOVERNMENT, DUDE.

What's next? UFO's? The Illuminati? Sure man, whatever, you know...
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: ZekeySpaceyLizard on October 6, 2009 02:10 AM
itt: wac is dumb
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Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: emanhattan on October 6, 2009 03:14 AM
ooooh so THAT was that strange sound today in class
Title: Has the animation standards increased at all in the last two years for flash?
Post by: trent bortknob on October 11, 2009 08:15 PM
i do get what he is saying. back in 2000 eskimo bob got like daily features and shit and in 2007 that wouldnt have been the case

but its not like the bar ever really raised that much but i think it did move a little

the work had to either look like you "tried" or it had to be really "funny" (whatever ng faggots thought was funny)
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