The show was actually pretty damn good
spike dies at the end, I hope I didnt ruin it
One of the best anime series I've seen
by far the best anime series. well produced, believable characters, intriguing era, excellent soundtrack and incredible direction. i have yet to see anything that comes close to it. bebop really broke in some new boundaries for anime, and shattered some stereotypes as well.
The anime that killed anime for me. Since Bebop, I haven't been able to watch anything else, nothing can compare.
That and I realized how manufactured anime is. "We have to go get the sacred stone!"
Wow....it's the sacred stone...wow ._.
I could only imagine what was going on there...
I love cowboy bebop, it's a really good series, if you don't watch a lot of anime, but if you do, like me, it's still up there. but i just didn't like watching their group fall apart nearing the end.
Quote from: spambotI have never seen an episode of this show
why would you? you hate anime.
Quote from: Moses The LiarThe anime that killed anime for me. Since Bebop, I haven't been able to watch anything else, nothing can compare.
That and I realized how manufactured anime is. "We have to go get the sacred stone!"
I think its highly over rated.
You want anime just as good or better?Animegamer's anime hall of fame-----------------------------------------------
Blue Gender - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbwoBQTc23o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbwoBQTc23o)
Argentosoma - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=244Bpul2GMI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=244Bpul2GMI)
Hellsing (Same creator as Bebop) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_0Rzy3dTM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_0Rzy3dTM)
Trinity Blood - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqc3Dei_zwI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqc3Dei_zwI)
Samurai Champloo (Same creator as Bebop) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OuRajFzMYI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OuRajFzMYI)
Bleach - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Emp8Gp9ZE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Emp8Gp9ZE)
Fullmetal Alchemist- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k991S6h7WbE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k991S6h7WbE)
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and thats just off the very top of my head...
All these animes totally kick bebops ass, so if you couldn't find better ones ive just pointed them all out for you.and if you don't believe me ask Rtil, I know the good stuff
Blue Gender is a load of garbage. It is such a boring ass story. Never heard of Aregentosoma (MIGHT give it a try). Hellsing is pretty good, I liked that one. Trinity Blood is lame. Samurai Champloo never saw, but heard good things. Bleah and Fullmetal Alchemist are also lame. Fullmetal is so long and drawn out and the characters are so cheesy and annoying, I couldn't stomach more than one episode. I tried to give that show a chance, but I can't help it if the story was too lame.
I don't think Hellsing was created by Watanabe. That was one kick ass show though. I'm really looking forward to the second season.
Bebop is still king in my book. It had great music, in depth story and characters that were original, and the universe they lived in was fascinating (it being our galaxy in 50 years or so).
If you like anime its cool. And if Bebop is over rated to you, I really don't care. I think Anime is lame, and that most of the regurgitated stories that are being produced get old real quick.
Evangelion, Beserk, Flame of Recca, Fushigi Yuugi, GetBackers, (and more) All of which I use to watch got real boring, real soon. It's the scripting in anime that is redunant and the recycled animation that I get tired of.
Well you can't polish a turd I suppose, I tried.
Someone who insults Bleach or FMA is beyond all hope
Do you have any idea what cinema and quality is, not to mention, can you retaliate or do you just insult? I find no opinion in your posts, just your defense mechanism kicking in because you have nothing to say.
Nothing needs to be said, I think by saying FMA and Bleach sucks everyone already knows how great your cinema tastes are.
I don't have to say a word, you done it for me.
nice list, and agree with almost all of it, I've never seen bleach, or Argentosoma, but I'm sure their good, my friend loves them, but i just don't think that Bleach looks all that appealing to me.
I was implying that you give me reasoning behind why you think FMA and Bleach are "soo awesome". Otherwise, you look like an asshat 13 year old who masturbates to night-elf p0rn.
Quote from: RobjaFaluI was implying that you give me reasoning behind why you think FMA and Bleach are "soo awesome". Otherwise, you look like an asshat 13 year old who masturbates to night-elf p0rn.
Im a girl so I find it unlikely that I would do that... anyway
Bleach is a little slow in the first season ill admit, but afterwords it becomes an up beat anime full of fighting, action, struggle and suspense. People who don't give it much of a chance in the first season are losing out on alot.
Preview of the great second season: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPvMNrCv4yw&search=bleach (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPvMNrCv4yw&search=bleach)
Fullmetal Alchemist is a strory of struggle, loss, hardship and the consequences of ones actions. It has moments so touching it that many can't help but laugh or cry at times. To blow it off as sucking in the first few episodes is rather sad, as the anime doen't even fully explain its story until around episode 10.
Fma also has an incredibly good music score throughout the series http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joAAqk-s29k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joAAqk-s29k)
If you don't watch the vids there is no point in even responding, as I let them do alot of the talking for me.
Fullmetal's musical score is alright. That video doesn't really back up anything nor really reflects the ACTUAL music used IN the show but I've heard the score second hand from one of the chonies I use to go to school with, and it was alright in my opinion.
As for story though, to me, the characters were really really over exagerated and came off annoying. The "touching moments" that everyone around me loved, I found milked to much emotion and felt unreal. The characters were portrayed as tragic heroes when they weren't at all.
Bleach video didn't really support anything either, trailers don't, they make things look cool but don't really portray what's in the story for the most part. Demons, swordplay, talking bears.... I'll give Bleach a try (again) and watch more episodes but to tell you the truth, I really think that its a overused senario. He plays Grim Reaper. Nothing really new to that except that he gets a sword and a woman sidekick. I don't see the surprise in that.
Another thing that anime really lacks in is dialogue. Cheese filled, repetitive, unnecessary dialogue that is set up so robotically, it's laughable. Its hard to take a serious anime serious if your character sounds like child wrote the script.
Bleach gets much deeper than that once the story progresses.
26 begins the second season and that in my opinion when the show begins to peek
anyway ill reply more tomorrow, ive been up well over 12 hours and am going to bed
Quote from: taylorI would like to say that anime gamer is a fucking idiot
why are you even replying in this topic, it's about anime. but if we all wanna read "you are gay", or "anime is for fags" we'll come to you first tay-tay!
Quote from: taylorHe's like one of those fags that doesn't like something just BECAUSE everyone else likes it
Does this not remind you of the 11 year-old Tyler I once gnuu?
...Always with his Full Metal Alchemist(s)?
Quote from: taylorQuote from: Dagolith
Quote from: taylor
I would like to say that anime gamer is a fucking idiot
why are you even replying in this topic, it's about anime. but if we all wanna read "you are gay", or "anime is for fags" we'll come to you first tay-tay!
not all anime is gay, and I'm not just making random posts about anime
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animegamer is just one giant anime-junkie nerd faggot that says a bunch of shows are better than cowboy bebop, but when someone says THOSE shows suck he can't defend them. All of his posts are pretentious bullshit posts that are trying to make him sound smart yet fail at it miserably
He's like one of those fags that doesn't like something just BECAUSE everyone else likes it
First off, to make this clear. animegamer, is a girl, secondly what people like or dislike is entirely up to whom ever cares enough to (in this case) watch it, weather or not something is bad, is impossible to determain, because no matter how many people do not like it, is not a sign that it's bad by any standards, that whatever it is, is of low quality. simply, it's in the eye of the beholder that matters, nothing sucks because you or anyone doesn't like it.
Quote from: DagolithFirst off, to make this clear. animegamer, is a girl, secondly what people like or dislike is entirely up to whom ever cares enough to (in this case) watch it, weather or not something is bad, is impossible to determain, because no matter how many people do not like it, is not a sign that it's bad by any standards, that whatever it is, is of low quality. simply, it's in the eye of the beholder that matters, nothing sucks because you or anyone doesn't like it.
I don't know. Daredevil sucks, no matter who likes it or not. I see your point but what Taylor is saying that she didn't back up her reasoning, making her sound like an asshat. It wasn't until later did she reveal why she liked the shows I disliked. Thats all he is saying, not that the shows suck, but that her initial defence on the anime shows in question were not backed up by fact, just by sheer pompous pride, which doesn't work when trying to defend something you like, at all.
I'm giving Bleach another go, just finished the torrent this morning. I will watch it when I get off of work.
Quote from: RobjaFaluQuote from: Dagolith
First off, to make this clear. animegamer, is a girl, secondly what people like or dislike is entirely up to whom ever cares enough to (in this case) watch it, weather or not something is bad, is impossible to determain, because no matter how many people do not like it, is not a sign that it's bad by any standards, that whatever it is, is of low quality. simply, it's in the eye of the beholder that matters, nothing sucks because you or anyone doesn't like it.
I don't know. Daredevil sucks, no matter who likes it or not. I see your point but what Taylor is saying that she didn't back up her reasoning, making her sound like an asshat. It wasn't until later did she reveal why she liked the shows I disliked. Thats all he is saying, not that the shows suck, but that her initial defence on the anime shows in question were not backed up by fact, just by sheer pompous pride, which doesn't work when trying to defend something you like, at all.
I'm giving Bleach another go, just finished the torrent this morning. I will watch it when I get off of work.
I see where your coming from but it's just stupid, how much i see people, just say things like "your gay" so on, so forth, when it just makes a little more sense to explain your point of view, instead of acting like a total dick-wig.
I would have "google videoed" the episodes first, before downloading it.
I say that Outlaw Star is better than all these faggot shows and if you disagree with me, then I dont give a shit :s
I never said I hated Bebop I said it was highly over rated. I mean its OK... I just get so sick of hearing people praise it as being the best when its just average... reminds me of how my brother used to talk about DBZ all the time.
Quote from: AnimegamerI never said I hated Bebop I said it was highly over rated. I mean its OK... I just get so sick of hearing people praise it as being the best when its just average... reminds me of how my brother used to talk about DBZ all the time.
ya, it really is over rated, i hated the way they only RARELY caught anyone without killing, or losing them to another bounty hunter, or just plain getting screwed on the fine print, god dammit that happens TWICE once is enough. i guess you just have to assume that all there big catches are made between episodes.
What makes it overrated in your opinion?
Quote from: RobjaFaluWhat makes it overrated in your opinion?
well, everyone and there brother (sister, dog, cat what have you) who likes it, thinks it's a modern miracle to the culture, when, ya it's good, but it's definitely NOT! as good as it's reputation precedes it.
Clarify. Thats really vague. You are just reiterating what you stated before. What do you dislike about it or what is the reasoning behind its overrated sensation?
Is it because everyone likes it that you think its overrated? Don't want to join the bandwagon? What?
Because I honestly believe its just a C average anime, ive seen series I enjoyed alot more, and a decent hand full ive enjoyed less. The whole space cowboy thing has been over done. Series like Outlaw Star, Trigun, Gundam, even Lupin 3 partially that cover a similar genre/mood also only score a C range in my book as I personally just dont like that kind of anime much.
(Im more into magic, fantasy, horror and comedy, not sci-fi.)
In my mind in all certanty ive seen much better than Bebop. It might not be that way for you. Im not "rebelling against a popular animes" if I did I wouldn't like FMA or Bleach as both are much more popular than Bebop. Its just a fact that ive never thought exceptionally high of the series.
I watched it fansubbed when it came out in the late 90's, when I finished it i moved on without giving it a second thought, to me even before its popularity it has been nothing more than average. The fact that people dwelled on it and acted like it was the king of all animes really just did nothing but piss me off. It was probably one the best they aired on cartoon network, but that isnt saying much.
Chances are any anime dealing with space or guns isnt going to score very high with me, I just dont like that kind of stuff. Im more into the "find the magical stone, slay the demons" kinda animes you were bashing earlier.
Ya I'm into the more, wild and outrageous story lines, like things that would never actually happen, Chobits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chobits), or One peice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Piece) those are really cool, and i think that they really make use of that "could only work in anime" feature.
Thanks for the clarification.
on the topic, not the cowboy bebop topic. has anyone seen "afro samurai" it's sooooo dumb, and the main character is voiced my Samuel Jackson. It makes no sence, in the anime they have cell phones, and RPG's but not Light bulbs. also, in a flash back, they have revolvers, but in the "present time" their using flint-lock rifles. where do you Americans find the ideas for this crap?
crap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JdzlRY48w8)
Gonzo is actually a Japanese owned animation studio. Its all done in Japan, Spike just bought the rights to show it in the states. Blame Japan for bad anime, as well as good ones.
most anime kids dont like americanized shows
The only good american cartoon series were in the 80's and early 90's, although there still targeted at kids. Modern american cartoons are complete crap, as well as being aimed at kids.
Anime however can appeal to any age including adults like myself.
I was talking about americanized japanimation
Quote from: AnimegamerThe only good american cartoon series were in the 80's and early 90's, although there still targeted at kids. Modern american cartoons are complete crap, as well as being aimed at kids.
Anime however can appeal to any age including adults like myself.
I think you're quite out of date with those 'decent' cartoons. The best of the american cartoons came from the 50s and 60s, back when Hanna Barbara, Warner Bros, MGM and Disney were original and in their prime. Like anime though, any person of any age could get into cartoons, if they liked it, it's just there's alot of stigma over here in the west about enjoying cartoons, and anime is more diverse than our western cartoons.
However, from most of the adults I know, their preference of anime only goes into Studio Ghibli films. Although experiencing a slight boom in popularity over here, a good majority of the UK looks down at anime, and only really like it if someone they know draws the stuff.
There are a lot of current toons and animations out there that are developed in America that are fantastic. And then there are some that are horrible. Same thing with anime. It depends on where you look and what you look for in a cartoon. I know plenty of grown ass people loving the American cartoons of today. You're just not looking, or you've completely been warped into the anime world, which is fine, its your choice.
Quote from: taylorQuote from: Shida
The best of the american cartoons came from the 50s and 60s
what the hell is wrong with you
The first series of the Flintstones, was aired in 1960. It's animation and graphics, as well as emotive expression, were much much nicer than cartoons later on, which became stiff and sometimes emotionless.
Yogi Bear, at his prime, was in the 60s.
The most eye-pleasing designs from popular series came from around the 50s and 60s, although it all really started in the 1930s, when animation was more experimental and as a certain animator put it 'more organic'.
Although I'm curious, when do
you think the best animations were produced, Taylor?
yeah the 60s sucked ass kinda all around I think. The age of the psychadelic jerks I bet it stunk really bad everywhere you went
I have to agree with Taylor. The 40's AND 50's were a pretty good time for animation. Tom And Jerry (I think Hanna and Barbara's greatest work) was phenominal during the 40's era and 50's era, even with the racial shit that would later be redubbed to destroy a part of history by Turner Broadcasting Network.
A tale of two kitties (by Bob Campett) was made in 1942 and the timing and overall animation style that Clampett was so famous for, really shows in that toon. All the Merry Melodies were showing a transition in solid animation during the 40's. I think American Animation is really solid all around and depending on what you look for in a toon, you will always find something worth while and inspiring. That includes current animation.
Urgh, I did have a reply typed out, but when it came to submitting, FF went failure on me.
However, was I did put in it was an agreement. I haven't seen many 40s cartoons for a while, so they've been out of mind lately. The 40s did produce most of the best animations around, the animation style fluid and characters almost lifelike. However, I still feel like this quality continued to the 60s with Hanna-Barbara, and it wasn't until the late 60s that animation truely started going downhill in my eyes, when animations studios started watering down what was popular in order to make more money, rather than putting money into developing the style that the 40s had began.
And that is animation all over the world too. All these animation studios (INCLUDING THE ONES IN JAPAN) are watering down their style or simplifying things so they can make a quick buck. Japanese Anime is a big contender beceause their frames in animation drops from 20 frames to 2 frames per second and it really does come off as a half-assed project. American anime is the same too, where they've actually adopted styles from Japan to emulate the same effect, taking the bad habits with them.
But I always like to emphasize on the good protions of animation in our generation, it still exists. I think Animation is still pretty decent with art directors such as Brad Bird, Spike Brandt, Shinichiro Watanabe, and Hayao Miyazaki.. just naming peeps off the top of my head
cartoons have always been produced to make money so that is what they still are being made for the only thing that is changing is the taste of the public. The cartoons were great in the forties because they did not have the technology to produce at such a rate as today. Every single frame used had to be drawn and painted by hand so naturally it would look more impressive than these almost dead computer colored shows on tv now. But the only people you are going to find that would be interested in reliving the so called 'golden' years of animation are enthusiasts that are doing it for the sake of artistic presentation. We cant expect these big shot studios to work extensively on what is pretty much bubble gum shows made to get kids to buy toys, any business that can figure out a way to save money but still create a product is going to do it as cheaply as they can get away with.
some of todays kids almost wont even watch older cartoons, I cant get my little brother to sit through a disney musical or even a looney tune :s
but anyway, thats why I need to make an animation studio, whos with me?
Already have one. your welcome to join.
^haha
Ok, who put this crappy song on this thread?
Do you really need to ask?
ok, ya but how?
Attaching an invisible, or very very small (in pixel size), .swf to the post, I think.
mongoose made a good point that kids today can't sit through cartoon classics anymore, they need very hyperactive shows and movies to give their short attention spans justice. as time goes on people need more and more to be entertained, which serves a true challenge to animators today. that's why so many cartoons as of late have failed to be successful as not only are they uninteresting, but poorly written and ultimately more painful to watch than entertaining. as more and more things become cliche, it becomes harder to make a cartoon that catches the public eye.
as far as the american versus japanese animation, i feel none are superior to the other. each animation industry has their own strengths and weaknesses, and each could not survive without eachother.
Quote from: taylorQuote from: Dagolith
Ok, who put this crappy song on this thread?
CRAPPY!?!?!?!?!?!
oh, i'm sorry. i didn't know that you liked this song Tiffany, i suppose that i can expect an appropriate retaliatory response. mabey you could shoot me in the neck.
what are you retarded?, the name has always different.
cowboy bebop is rad(sooo cool)
ritl, its true.
I tried making my cusin watch scooby doo and he left during the first two minutes.
i would agree except i don't consider scooby doo to be a classic.
well, it's not that i can't appreciate a well made cartoon, it's just that i don't really like cartoons to begin with, and the old old cartoons (30's, 40's) aren't really that good, yes they worked really hard on them, and it came out great a lot, but that was because they had to work really hard on them, there weren't any really good way of drawing cartoons, and no good equipment to do it on, so ya they made them vary painstakingly.
i find a lot of 30's cartoons to be far more engaging than some of what is made today with the aid of a lot of technology. whether or not you like it, it was the founding of american cartoons . a lot has been learned since then, though.
this is what i'm saying.
Ranma was the last large anime series to be completely hand drawn.
what do you mean "hand drawn"? as opposed to "foot drawn"? or CG or something alone those lines?
by hand drawn she means pencil-on-paper. as opposed to aided by digital tools.
Quote from: Dagolithwhat do you mean "hand drawn"? as opposed to "foot drawn"? or CG or something alone those lines?
man u fuckin dumb!!
DON'T EVER TALK AGAIN FATTY!