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February the 10th, we had demonstrations worldwide regarding scientology, where so called "anonymous" people met up at local churches to protest against their acts. Not to disrespect anyones beliefs, but scientology is something that controversial that it could slip out of control if theyre gonna keep teaching people about their alien leader. We've already had the Lisa McPherson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson) incident at their hands. And theyve also tried numerous of times to put a stop to criticism that have taken place at the internet. They wont allow sites that go against their teachings to exist. I have no actual opinion on all this myself, but if theyre gonna treat other people the same way they did to McPherson, then theres no way i can show any sympathy to them. I wont even make fun of them cause this is what they believe in so ill let them do what they want to. But personally, i have great doubts about them.

Heres some relevant stuff off from NG frontpage: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/423640 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/423640)

Heres Rtils side of his story: http://rtil.deviantart.com/journal/16832839/#journal (http://rtil.deviantart.com/journal/16832839/#journal)

I apologize if any of these are offending to scientologists out there. I thought we needed to get to the bottom of this issue. Hell, none of us are perfect but still: good or bad? Reasons?

So what is your opinion on scientology? Discuss.

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these anonymous people sure sound gay!

yeah right

everybody's idea of scientology comes from watching an episode of south park

i doubt anyone will say something educated

There are a few of us that have done some rather involved detective work into the cult.

Quote from: michelleyeah right

everybody's idea of scientology comes from watching an episode of south park

i doubt anyone will say something educated

this

i agree with michelle

and i like rtil's journal a lot

like more than anything he's ever ranted about

i knew chanology was a stupid idea even before i finished reading about it in fuckin sirkowski's ng blog. (who i might add actually wasted time and joined in) anonymous tries to be all hardcore lol elite and shit but im sure none of them can top cr0m

can someone explain where the Guy Fawkes masks came from? what does he have to do with any of it?

i dont even know what sientiology is it should be called stickology or something.

Quotecan someone explain where the Guy Fawkes masks came from? what does he have to do with any of it?

Guy Fawkes was a revolutionist. And after V for Vendetta also become an internet meme. So he kinda served a duel purpose threwout the protest.

Also, most of the posts in these forums are of the same level of retardation as /b/, so i dont know what the big deal is.

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Quotecan someone explain where the Guy Fawkes masks came from? what does he have to do with any of it?

Guy Fawkes was a revolutionist. And after V for Vendetta also become an internet meme. So he kinda served a duel purpose threwout the protest.

Also, most of the posts in these forums are of the same level of retardation as /b/, so i dont know what the big deal is.

you're saying that because nobody here likes you

^

or it could be because i spend alot of time in both and the differences are....none? this is more focused and thats about it.

gherkinman what is a guy fawks mask i dont know what that is either and i need someone intelligable to explain it to me

lmao you go to /b/? well i guess that explains a lot

either way i would hate to be rtil right now, i imagine it'd be pretty degrading to have some faggot compare your forum to /b/

i dont know what b is either ill need someone to explain that too

Actually i got a suprise when i joined this forum as to how similar it is, Rtil comes accross as being a smart guy that thinks everything out well and hates shit like 4chan, and knows what hes talking about when it comes to animation. I joined here thinking the forum would be much of the same, instead i found you guys, all thats missing is the "tits or gtfo's". But yeh, it confuses me greatly when i try to work rtils logic out in this particular case.

titsorgtfo

thats retarded. just because its a community with an occasional stupid fad doesnt mean its anything like /b/

i will admit though that we do have a lot of shitty new members

Quote from: GerkinmanActually i got a suprise when i joined this forum as to how similar it is, Rtil comes accross as being a smart guy that thinks everything out well and hates shit like 4chan, and knows what hes talking about when it comes to animation. I joined here thinking the forum would be much of the same, instead i found you guys, all thats missing is the "tits or gtfo's". But yeh, it confuses me greatly when i try to work rtils logic out in this particular case.

the only people that make dumb posts like that are the people (like you) that actually go to 4chan

they don't say the fad words because they'd get banned but they still act like retards

the amount of "faggot" here is another good example.

Im just saying i came here expecting people similar to rtil to help me improve in what i do, thats not so much the case.

well people saying faggot all of the time is NOT BECAUSE OF ME if that's what you're thinking

jeez, i dunno, by following advice, something very few people here know how to give.

how does age factor into it?

i sit and draw every day while my teachers are talking
that is how i improve

Not everybody has that option.

Because "most" isnt the first word in the quote you just used.

Is improve short for improvisation? IF SO, "CHEWING GUM IS REALLY GROSS, CHEWING GUM I HATE THE MOST!"

It's great and I am a part of it.

if i thought this forum was comparable to 4chan i would have closed it and probably wiped the boards

anyway if you have read my lengthy journal post about scientology i am neutral. if you're a scientologist, it's your money, it's your time, it's your life. believing in body thetans and an alien named xenu is no different than believing in any other life force or eternal being.

also, religion is not free. scientology is just bad at pretending it is.

The Church of Scientology is nothing but a lie with a bunch of brainwashed weirdos. They call themselves a 'religion' but to become a member you have to shell out $$$. They are not a religion. They are a business. They believe they need to destroy Psychiatry entirely due to them believing it is evil. Yet they brainwash their members and destroy the lives of those who try to leave the cult. Many women who joined the Church of Scientology are FORCED to have abortions. Regardless of your stance on abortion, shouldn't the right to choose include the right to keep?
Like many religions, the Church of Scientology claims that they are pro-family. The Church of Scientology practices a policy of "Disconnection". This means that if you join the church and have friends or family that are not Scientology members, you will be forced to sever all ties with them. Conversely, if you ever decide to leave the Church of Scientology for whatever reasons and you have family members who are still part of the Church, they will be forced to sever all ties with you. This means that you can never see or speak to your loved ones ever again.

The Church of Scientology is given preferential treatment above all other Religious organizations within the United States of America, thus violating the Establishment Clause of the United States Constitution.
The Establishment Clause was created to stop the federal government from declaring and financially supporting a national religion. This means that, according to the Constitution, the United States of America cannot give preferential treatment to ANY religion, in any way, shape, or form.
However, contrary to this, the IRS is contractually required to give preferential treatment to the Church of Scientology, and DISCRIMINATE against all other groups. In other words, the Church of Scientology won a special right to claim tax deductions that in 2002, Judge Barry Silverman stated "are contrary to law and rightly disallowed to everybody else."

Therefore, the Church of Scientology CAN and DOES make tax claims that legitimate religious groups such as the Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc, are NOT allowed to make. This is not only unfair to other religious groups, this special consideration of the Church of Scientology by the IRS, establishes Scientology as the national religion of the United States of America. Unless you are a member of the Church of Scientology, this is an obstruction of YOUR right to practice your faith.

your idea of scientology being the national religion of the united states is a bit far fetched, especially since you previously stated that scientology is clearly a business.

still, while you have the right to criticize their methods, you have no right to make people do otherwise. if one wants to be a scientologist and agrees with these behaviors, that is their choice. it is not illegal and should not be illegal to be a scientologist.

all religions are too far-fetchd for my taste. sure, it'd be cool if there were talking snakes, body dwelling aliens, some 6 armed elephant and all that other cool stuff each religion makes up, but you gotta be pretty dumb to believe that

the british army is forced catholic. once a week my regiment goes to church, i pay lip service, donate a lil money and leave. religion is nothing to me

Quote from: rtilyour idea of scientology being the national religion of the united states is a bit far fetched, especially since you previously stated that scientology is clearly a business.

still, while you have the right to criticize their methods, you have no right to make people do otherwise. if one wants to be a scientologist and agrees with these behaviors, that is their choice. it is not illegal and should not be illegal to be a scientologist.

I'd be fine with scientology if they weren't so secretive and shady. Having to pay $40,000 to find out that your group believes in an alien warlord must be pretty shit. Scientology is a menace.

It's stupid.
But then, most organized religions these days are.

What I find funny about it, is that it's a fairly new religion and people are just flocking to it. Its so much more far-fetched than most crap.

It like "we didnt have a religion before but this one with the aliens made by the scifi author sounded pretty gewd so we done joined it"

I improve by not drawing. I swear to god it works.

Quote from: ZekeyIt like "we didnt have a religion before but this one with the aliens made by the scifi author sounded pretty gewd so we done joined it"

They're not allowed to know about Xenu until they pay to become an OT III. (operating thetan lvl 3)

it's just another version of a self-help group or program. money = happiness, it's an age old concept, and scientology is just another twist on the game. while they have committed crimes in the past, those people should be punished. however, if someone is dumb enough to give hundreds of thousands of their own money to a group of people in order to achieve happiness, that is their own problem, and it is not shady or illegal. it is indeed business.

it's really gay business but yeah you are right. Others do exactly the same, but we're talking about Scientology and not the others.

Here's something I told rtil on Deviantart:

Yesterday, after I wrote my last response I went to bed and watched TV, news. There was something about Scientology once again. They offer private lessons, like normal private lessons businesses. Not a single hint that they're actually Scientologists. Then the kids who need help at school go there and the tutors try to convince them to join Scientology. A reporter went there with a hidden camera and it was pretty gay what they tried to do. Before they even talked about anything, she asked if he had problems AND if he had money. He said yeah and then she told him about the Hubbert guy and all that stuff.

That's what I call low.

QuoteThey're not allowed to know about Xenu until they pay to become an OT III. (operating thetan lvl 3)

Between $300 000 and $500 000 later.

How was Scientology founded?

by science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard

a couple of years after being quoted "The best way to make a quick million in this world is to start your own religion"

GET DOWN AND SAY THAT YOU BELIEVE IN XENU
AND YOUR BODY THETANS TOO