Wouldn't it be interesting to have a random music based Backalleys collab, with someone starting a theme, then the next person adding onto it with their own twist or continuation?
There have been some great collabs on newgrounds, and i think it would be interesting to get a collab going.
I suggest that rtil picks the starting music and theme/animation though.
(I suggest techno music, but i assume rtil would pick something like that)
Here's an actual good collab.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/419052 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/419052)
Although i think it should be a dance style/music video animation.
Any input on this?
Quote from: Ayato Kamina 11Here's an actual good collab.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/419052 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/419052)
GRUGLE THE VOMIT IS STUCK IN MY THROAT.
I don't see a problem with a Backalley's collab, but I'm totally fed up with these random music video things. THey're not cool anymore, well I mean you COULD make a good one, but none of the recent ones are.
A better idea to me would be something that is tangible as a cartoon. Where we could get together and we could all do certain parts of a whole cartoon. Eg. Rtil: backgrounds/angle setup, redmongoose et al: music
someone else does on character, someone else another... yet another person for effects, or a coupel for effects and so on.
A collab like this would really push people to work as a team and to be able to make their styles mesh properly, because quite frankly you will have to do these things as an animator.
id probably join if we came up with any good ideas
I would join.
i'd try too :}
Oh i wouldve joined... if there wasnt another flash that im doing atm that is killing me. Also if this collab gets realized, then ill be there.
oh i'll join
and it'll be LOVELY
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I'm still waiting for any input from RTIL.
because he is the main force amongst awesome animation.
I still think a music thing would be cooler.
lol
My parents are getting me CS3 sometime soon, but I'm horrible at drawing complex things, or anything on the computer, but I'd be more than happy to help as far as music is concerned!!
Collabs are still cool?
Wait..what? =o
what is cs3
I think collabs are awesome. From what I know, Flash CS3 is an animating program is it now? I haven't gotten anything for Christmas for the past two years except for a coat, and some gift cards, so they're trying to look for it on adobe.com...I'm trying to to be an animator as well as making music you see...
Quote from: GerkinmanCollabs are still cool?
Wait..what? =o
Only if we join our hands together, collab ideas such as this might work. You see...
"Let's all join our hands
raise them together
we can fight for the
lives that are real
yeah lets all join hands
raise them together
it's a fight for the
right that we feel""All Join Our Hands" by Lion WhiteWhat? I thought you had experienced the joy already in "The Matrix Has You". Oh well, no happy Mary Poppins ending here nay :\
Id rather forget about The Matrix Still Has You, tho i thought you would have brought up "One Love" or "The Doom Project". But after having been in 3 collabs and running 2 of them, i can say there is very little joy to be had with Collabs, just arguments, stress, lazyness and frustration.
gay
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oh, HLG doesnt approve, project over guys.
oh god
ya know zekey
your sig thing
i showed it to somebody at school
he laughed so hard
hard enough for everyone else to hear and see it
i ended up being called racist B(
Quote from: GerkinmanId rather forget about The Matrix Still Has You, tho i thought you would have brought up "One Love" or "The Doom Project". But after having been in 3 collabs and running 2 of them, i can say there is very little joy to be had with Collabs, just arguments, stress, lazyness and frustration.
I was being ironic about that collab though xP Id like to try out a flash collab, even if it really is that much of a pain in the ass as you say, id like to experience at least one. So far ive been in silly art forum collabs back at NG. BOOOORRRIINGGG
oh good lord, the NG art forums is terrible
stick pivot animations and ms paint swords
lmao the ng art forums. collabs are pretty damn frustrating, because you'll always have to deal with people who make a commitment but never do a part. this is why 90% of collabs die and never get finished (or the original collab author ends up doing most of the work, which they were planning on to begin with.)
I do have this big collab that I started up, but if you want to be in it, you'll have to contend with:
A. Dragonforce music (in particular, a song made famous by a specific guitar-based video game)
B. An interesting challenge, I'll be happy to explain it if you want.
i stopped reading at dragonforce
actually i read the rest but damn i hate dragonforce. pokemon metal
I don't hate Dragonforce because they're power metal, I hate Dragonforce because they're bad. Through the Fire and Flames is harder to play on Guitar Hero than it is on a real guitar. There is no technique needed at all to play their songs, just speed, which bores me. I like stuff that pushes limits, not pushes the sound barrier.
That being said, at least it's not an emo song, like that Come Clarity collab. UGH!
Quote from: MRatI don't hate Dragonforce because they're power metal, I hate Dragonforce because they're bad. Through the Fire and Flames is harder to play on Guitar Hero than it is on a real guitar. There is no technique needed at all to play their songs, just speed, which bores me. I like stuff that pushes limits, not pushes the sound barrier.
That being said, at least it's not an emo song, like that Come Clarity collab. UGH!
ROFL and speed doesnt require technique you say?
Speed IS technique you fool.
cant play fast on the piano if you dont have good technique.
And i can guarantee you that its hard to play on real guitar than on guitar hero. i can 100% absolutely positively guarantee you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3H4liC2sWg
About 3:00 minutes in is where the assrape starts.
How bout you watch the whole song, or at least till the guitar's are boxed in during the solos, and tell me it's harder on guitar hero dumbfuck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUzNcheoY6U
If a 9 year old kid can play the song on expert, it's not that hard.
If that kid practiced the real song on guitar for YEARS he still couldn't do it.
You seemingly fail at appreciating true skill when it comes to actual guitar playing difficulty.
I wouldn't be surprised if you've never even touched a guitar yourself.
You're a fucking idiot if you believe that and obviously don't play a whole lot of guitar, or if you do, don't play it all that well. Speed is not technique, speed is an entirely different skill. Also, I've played that Dragonforce song on guitar, and on guitar hero, ALL THE WAY THROUGH. Albeit I don't play it nearly as quickly as Dragonforce does, but considering I'm quite bad at guitar it's not a great testament to the technical abilities of Herman Li. Once again, he's quite fast, but shredding is not technique, it's shredding.
Technique is about rhytm and timing, and the ability to produce sounds from a guitar other than "fret here pluck here" which is all Li does, albeit he does it reather quickly.
Quote from: Ayato Kamina 11If a 9 year old kid can play the song on expert, it's not that hard.
If that kid practiced the real song on guitar for YEARS he still couldn't do it.
You seemingly fail at appreciating true skill when it comes to actual guitar playing difficulty.
I wouldn't be surprised if you've never even touched a guitar yourself.
You clearly havent heard them LIVE.
All that awesome sounding guitar is the result of lots of technical editing in music software.
Go listen to them at a concert and hear what they REALLY sound like.
I'm not saying they arent a decent rock band, but pull your head out your ass.
i\\\'d go so far as to say that the beach boys are more technically aggressive than dragonforce
ps i fucking hate every last one of you
Quote from: mongrel architecti'd go so far as to say that the beach boys are more technically aggressive than dragonforce
ps i fucking hate every last one of you
<3
Have you seen them in concert Zekey
Quote from: ZekeyQuote from: Ayato Kamina 11If a 9 year old kid can play the song on expert, it's not that hard.
If that kid practiced the real song on guitar for YEARS he still couldn't do it.
You seemingly fail at appreciating true skill when it comes to actual guitar playing difficulty.
I wouldn't be surprised if you've never even touched a guitar yourself.
You clearly havent heard them LIVE.
All that awesome sounding guitar is the result of lots of technical editing in music software.
Go listen to them at a concert and hear what they REALLY sound like.
I'm not saying they arent a decent rock band, but pull your head out your ass.
zekey has a point
hell their guitarist can't even keep up with the drummer in concert
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herman li is sloppy as hell
Quote from: MRatYou're a fucking idiot if you believe that and obviously don't play a whole lot of guitar, or if you do, don't play it all that well. Speed is not technique, speed is an entirely different skill. Also, I've played that Dragonforce song on guitar, and on guitar hero, ALL THE WAY THROUGH. Albeit I don't play it nearly as quickly as Dragonforce does, but considering I'm quite bad at guitar it's not a great testament to the technical abilities of Herman Li. Once again, he's quite fast, but shredding is not technique, it's shredding.
Technique is about rhytm and timing, and the ability to produce sounds from a guitar other than "fret here pluck here" which is all Li does, albeit he does it reather quickly.
Then i'd love to see a video of you playing it on guitar hero, or even a picture of you, clearly standing in front of the score screen.
And also i'd love to see you easily playing through it on real guitar in a video, because if you barely play guitar, your probably playing it at least 100 beats under tempo.
And if speed isnt part of technique, then what skill is it?
I am a musician, and have learned from countless music professors whether it be trombone, bass guitar, or piano
and every one has mentioned that speed is involved in a players technique.
Such as, a quote from my band director, "Ya'll have the technique to play this piece, just because it's fast doesn't mean you dont have the technique to play it at performance tempo"
Quoted from Mr. Destry Balch, Kingwood Highschool Band Director, last year, we performed at the Rose Bowl Parade, you can find us on youtube if you google Kingwood High School Band, or KM4B.
I'll just assume that i have more musical experience than you do, and doubt you've had any teaching or schooling in any form of music.
dam i really wish i could find that video of that guy throat fuckin a trout me n lauch found while fuckin with google search :'^(
Quote from: Ayato Kamina 11I am a musician, and have learned from countless music professors whether it be trombone, bass guitar, or piano
and every one has mentioned that speed is involved in a players technique.
I'll just assume that i have more musical experience than you do, and doubt you've had any teaching or schooling in any form of music.
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I JUST FOUND THE SITE IT WAS ON
now i just gotta search for it
forget it, its lost forever
this is a great thread
ok
Quote from: Ayato Kamina 11I'll just assume that i have more musical experience than you do, and doubt you've had any teaching or schooling in any form of music.
the... laughter... it... WONT STOP! AHAHAH. oh DEAR SWEET JESUS GET ME SOME HELP IT WONT STOP!
I've composed the music for cartoons played on television on the local channels in a number of locations in Minnesoata. I've been in music since I was five. I play the cello, trumpet, piano, drums, guitar, keyboard (yeah it's like a piano), and a few instruments I made myself. I however not a fantastic player of intruments. My skills are much stronger in composition, and theory. I could write a bang up piece for the Oboe, but never play it very well.
I do have alot of knowledge in music.
Once again, I reiterate that the skill of playing fast, is just that playing fast. It's moving quickly. But it's not technique. Technique is actually getting down into it and understanding the guitar. Harmonics, though pretty easy to produce, are more technical than the entire song of Through the Fire and Flames.
I have seen Dragonforce live, and people like Santana will always display far greater technical skill than Arman Li. He just plucks at an insane rate and hopes it sounds cool. And sometimes it does. I'm not downplaying the importance of speed here, but I am saying that it isn't technique, it's just skill. They are two different things, and always will be.
I'd make a video of me playing the Guitar Hero fire and flames, but I can't beat it. It's too hard. That's my point.
Hopefuly I'll get around to making a video of me playing it on real guitar though, but I'd doubt it would make any differnce, because you would say "WELL LOOK AT THAT HE ISN'T PLAYING IT AT THE RIGHT SPEED AT ALL!" and I would say, "I never said I could. In fact, I said I couldn't."
I can however play Eric Clapton songs at the proper tempo, and trust me, playing an Eric Clapton song is more demanding in terms of working the guitar than a Dragonforce song. If I sat there and played Dragonforce over and over I would eventually learn to play it fast enough, because the notes would just settle into my muscle memory. However, things like erratic chord progressions and the abiltity to yank an extra note out where there simply shouldn't be one will never be learned by memorizing and poudnign away at the song. You'll need to learn about the guitar itself, where to put your hands, how every note matches up and contrasts. That is technique. Ay dufus could spend hours messing around with some notes and come up with a Dragonforce song, because it's a random collection of plucked notes, and nothing else.
Anyway, I'm more than certain in some way you can I actually agree here, but we're miscommunicating our points and getting flustered because one or the other backs down. Also, just because your High School band teacher says something doesn't mean it's true.
ALSO look out sometime this year for the debut album from a Brit named Alex De Panama, his band is called Codename Premonition. Chances are I'll be listed as "Producer" on that, and I'm featured on the album too. I've been working with him on the tracks for that album for years, and they're shaping up nicely. Yes I know, this is just a sad and shameless plug right here, but if you're into industrial music, and insanity, check him out.
i remember these little new rockers who used to bring their shiny new BC riches out when i still used to hang out with my old friends, theyd just sit there and tremelo between 2 frets, are double pick and randomly shred every note in site, trying to look good. it looked dumb.
hell, i can double bass at 160bpm, but im a terrible drummer.
I used garage band once, so im a better muso then all of you >=(
I also used a midi from a video game to make a remix in fruity loops. Im the greatest muso of all time. <3
what's a muso
muse fan
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^
the only hard part about thru fire and flames on gh is the gay tapping intro
gosh we sure know how to rock!!!!
"I'd make a video of me playing the Guitar Hero fire and flames, but I can't beat it. It's too hard. That's my point."
Before i recall you saying that you've beaten it before.
But i guess i will yield, due to this argument solidly going nowhere, as we both will continue to believe both of our opinions to be correct.
But i still want to see videos.
And see some music you've written.
Quote from: Ayato Kamina 11"I'd make a video of me playing the Guitar Hero fire and flames, but I can't beat it. It's too hard. That's my point."
Before i recall you saying that you've beaten it before.
But i guess i will yield, due to this argument solidly going nowhere, as we both will continue to believe both of our opinions to be correct.
But i still want to see videos.
And see some music you've written.
cool, agree to disagree. i dont think i said i've beaten it on guitar hero, well i mean i can on easy or medium, but thats nothing, but i did say I've seen it all the way through i think.
i do suppose i could at somepoint do a video. as for music i've written, i can forward you the sheets probably in a .mus file.
I was hoping that a Collab was gonna get put together. What happened?! Now it's all about how good/bad Dragon Force is! Why can't we get back to the collab? =[ please?
Yeah
Hey I wasn't saying dragonforce was bad, just that I hate them at that there isn't alot of technique to the guitaring. Doesn't mean they're bad.
Anyway, I'm still for a collab I guess, but I'd much rather see something else than a random music video. Random music videos simply aren't cool anymore.
Ill problay do it as well. Nothing too long...
aight someone lay something on the table so we can all disagree and argue for another 5 pages
Quote from: FreekCaight someone lay something on the table so we can all disagree and argue for another 5 pages
anime
disney sequels
abortion
prejudice in the media
internet anonymity
britney spears and dr.phil
war in iraq
religion
GO!
Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton
Quote from: Zekeyabortion
PICKACHU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Hell we could come up with some crazy shit with abortion...
Quote from: ZekeyQuote from: FreekCaight someone lay something on the table so we can all disagree and argue for another 5 pages
anime
disney sequels
abortion
prejudice in the media
internet anonymity
britney spears and dr.phil
war in iraq
religion
GO!
i disagree
I would love to take part.
Jamie spears's abortion.
Quote from: crabarmsJamie spears's abortion.
all in favour, say "i"
I thought of this awhile back, but the only members who knew flash were like SS members so its just be like an SS collab
But sure it could be nice
i
ok now raise your hands if you can actually animate
My collab's unique challenge wouldn't make it "100% random" in a way, you've heard of that 100 themes challenge? Basically, each part is allocated to a specific number of themes, and you must choose several of the non-taken themes, and have your part contain elements of those themes. How you implement them however, is up to you.
i dont get it
i've actually had this idea for a while now
how about animating to "Suspended Animation" by Fantomas? i dont just mean a single song, i mean the whole dam album. it would be neat cause it has no lyrics so everyone would have to come up with their own ideas instead of just leaching off of the lyrics and alot of the songs are short so it would be pretty easy to pump out entries.
that or animate the entire commercial album by the residents (each song being a minute long)
nobody is gonna do this
nope
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epon
Quote from: FreekCok now raise your hands if you can actually animate
='[
I'M DONE HERE'S MY PART
I'd have to go with the original music collab thing since I've never actually animated anything before.
hapy happy joy joy
Quote from: FreekChapy happy joy joy
I wish I could talk like Ren.
you EEEEDIOT!
R.I.P Ayato
I was viewing this thread earlier, too because it was his birthday lmfao.
happy birthday dick!
so how about that dragonforce
Quote from: stagbeetleso how about that dragonforce
they suck
radiohead?
ok let's all talk about frank sinatra now
frank sinatra is a gr8 singer but his songs are boring to me
Quote from: taylorbortnerisaQuote from: stagbeetleso how about that dragonforce
they suck
Happy 18th Ayato
We should do a massive collab to a farther snake song.
Quote from: MRatWe should do a massive collab to a farther snake song.
its what christmas is all about
Quote from: taylorbortnerisafrank sinatra is a gr8 singer but his songs are boring to me
yeah i agree
Quote from: MRatWe should do a massive collab to a farther snake song.
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happy birthday
Quote from: MRatQuote from: MRatWe should do a massive collab to a farther snake song.
not the spook