http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/417211 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/417211)
this is the reason why stick movies get a bad rap. shitty animators like him who think that they will instantly be an animating god just because they own a copy of flash and have watched people like terkoiz and Oscar. (Im talking strictly stick animators, i know that people are better than those 2.). He Has to Practice more and then come back and post. He needs to go lurk and post at places like SPP and SL, then get better and post again, but for some god damn reason i guess he thought that this was good. He even gets a fucking 2.7. That is bullshit.
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well what do you expect? sticks are easy to draw and accessible to almost any human being. therefore most people are going to take a shot at it first. and animation is an exciting new medium for anyone to dive into.
you're gonna have to live with the flack - stick animation will never be held in high regard.
damnit i hate sticks. i cant understand why youre trying to make sticks sound like a morale art, its for 13 year old kids whove watched the matrix too many times
Quote from: rtilwell what do you expect? sticks are easy to draw and accessible to almost any human being. therefore most people are going to take a shot at it first. and animation is an exciting new medium for anyone to dive into.
you're gonna have to live with the flack - stick animation will never be held in high regard.
I agree, almost completely. The only thing in what you said that shouldn't (not saying its not.) be true is that stick animating will never be held in high regard. I think that there are certain stick animations that some full body animators will never touch because they are so fast paced, well done, and done on a stick animators turf. If a full body/traditional animator tried to pull off some of the aspects,topics, and lengths that stick animators animate with they would either fail miserably, or if they actually did it well, would take them around 2 years. so I'm gonna add to what you just said.
Crappy stick animations shouldn't be held in high regard. Quality stick animations however, should be held in high regard.
This is towards Freek-C too, im not trying to make them a morale art its just that, for people who enjoy animating sticks, or who are not able to animate full body, sticks is the way to go. But if someone makes a quality stick animation its bashed and ripped on just for being a stick animation, no matter how good it is.
The only stick flashes I've seen that I like is the Animation vs. Animator flashes and Fancy Pants Adventures. I usually don't even like the "high quality" stick flashes. The "high quality" stick flashes that act all serious annoy the heck out of me. They're fucking sticks. If you want to make a high quality flash movie with a very serious plot, try to use something other than sticks. I know that remark probably doesn't mean much coming from me considering how terrible I am at flash but if I was going to make a serious flash movie, I would never use sticks.
Quote from: W.A.C.The only stick flashes I've seen that I like is the Animation vs. Animator flashes and Fancy Pants Adventures. I usually don't even like the "high quality" stick flashes. The "high quality" stick flashes that act all serious annoy the heck out of me. They're fucking sticks. If you want to make a high quality flash movie with a very serious plot, try to use something other than sticks. I know that remark probably doesn't mean much coming from me considering how terrible I am at flash but if I was going to make a serious flash movie, I would never use sticks.
why should it matter if they are sticks, drawing abliity should have no say in how high a caliber an animator is. Oscar (the author of the castle series.) just simply prefers sticks, others just dont have the ability to draw a good figure. What should determine the score of a submission should be the quality of the animation not just simply the quality of the art (although the art should have some say, it shouldnt completely determine whether the animation.)
stick figures are meant to be a base for character design. Once you're done with your stick figure, you're SUPPOSED to move on to adding more detail on everything, head, legs, etc. until it looks like a cartoon human.
Therefore, since a stick figure is essentially an incomplete character design, it should never be held above a full drawn character.
Quote from: Clutchwhy should it matter if they are sticks, drawing abliity should have no say in how high a caliber an animator is. Oscar (the author of the castle series.) just simply prefers sticks, others just dont have the ability to draw a good figure. What should determine the score of a submission should be the quality of the animation not just simply the quality of the art (although the art should have some say, it shouldnt completely determine whether the animation.)
For the Castle series, I only watched episodes 1, 2, and part 1 of episode 3. Because the characters were sticks with a serious plot, the whole thing ended up looking really stupid. Also, if everyone voted on submissions based solely on their animation, flashes that have both really good animation and really good art wouldn't get the respect those flashes deserve.
Quote from: notoriousstick figures are meant to be a base for character design. Once you're done with your stick figure, you're SUPPOSED to move on to adding more detail on everything, head, legs, etc. until it looks like a cartoon human.
Therefore, since a stick figure is essentially an incomplete character design, it should never be held above a full drawn character.
im not saying that it should be held above a fullbody animation im saying that they both have strong and weak points in their styles of animating and that on certain aspects one can be above the other and they can be level.
Also I think i would call the castles figures sticks and they are quite detailed and are a finished design, just cause something is a stick figure doesn't mean its an unfinished design, but because of its lack of great and certain details it isn't and will never (nor should it) be held above a fully skinned out character. Therefore (at least in the way i think of it and explain it.) we are both right and wrong in talking of a sticks design.
EDIT: This is aimed at W.A.C: Like i said the art should some (if not major.) say in the final score, it just shouldn't rule over the animation aspects of the submission. The main score (2/4) should be based on animation and art should be the secondary score taking over about 1.5/4 and .5 (depending on the type of movie.) should be based on humor.
All of these might change (in minor incriments.) depending on the type of movie it is.
i use sticks to help me draw an i think it's kool!
Quote from: MishkaMashi use sticks to help me draw an i think it's kool!
this isnt about using sticks to help you draw just so you know....
Quote from: ClutchI agree, almost completely. The only thing in what you said that shouldn't (not saying its not.) be true is that stick animating will never be held in high regard. I think that there are certain stick animations that some full body animators will never touch because they are so fast paced, well done, and done on a stick animators turf. If a full body/traditional animator tried to pull off some of the aspects,topics, and lengths that stick animators animate with they would either fail miserably, or if they actually did it well, would take them around 2 years. so I'm gonna add to what you just said.
Crappy stick animations shouldn't be held in high regard. Quality stick animations however, should be held in high regard.
that is a load of tripe. you should check out some clips from Richard William's "Thief and the Cobbler". I'd love to see any stick animator get an OUNCE of the fluid animation and expression that those characters had.
Quote from: Clutchwhy should it matter if they are sticks, drawing abliity should have no say in how high a caliber an animator is. Oscar (the author of the castle series.) just simply prefers sticks, others just dont have the ability to draw a good figure. What should determine the score of a submission should be the quality of the animation not just simply the quality of the art (although the art should have some say, it shouldnt completely determine whether the animation.)
solid drawing is one of the 12 principles of animation. if you can't draw, you can't animate. stick are made out of lines. a 5 year old could draw a line in flash.
Quote from: rtilQuote from: ClutchI agree, almost completely. The only thing in what you said that shouldn't (not saying its not.) be true is that stick animating will never be held in high regard. I think that there are certain stick animations that some full body animators will never touch because they are so fast paced, well done, and done on a stick animators turf. If a full body/traditional animator tried to pull off some of the aspects,topics, and lengths that stick animators animate with they would either fail miserably, or if they actually did it well, would take them around 2 years. so I'm gonna add to what you just said.
Crappy stick animations shouldn't be held in high regard. Quality stick animations however, should be held in high regard.
that is a load of tripe. you should check out some clips from Richard William's "Thief and the Cobbler". I'd love to see any stick animator get an OUNCE of the fluid animation and expression that those characters had.
Quote from: Clutchwhy should it matter if they are sticks, drawing abliity should have no say in how high a caliber an animator is. Oscar (the author of the castle series.) just simply prefers sticks, others just dont have the ability to draw a good figure. What should determine the score of a submission should be the quality of the animation not just simply the quality of the art (although the art should have some say, it shouldnt completely determine whether the animation.)
solid drawing is one of the 12 principles of animation. if you can't draw, you can't animate. stick are made out of lines. a 5 year old could draw a line in flash.
Like i said, there are aspects that fullbody animators excel in and can reach levels where stick animators can never reach, but there are also (not very many.) aspects where stick animators excel in but fullbody animators (if good enough.) can reach, but easily. I know that full body is better than stick animating by far, but you gotta give stick animators more credit, if they are any good, than what is bing given. Because right now even the best stick animators get bashed just because they use sticks.
and towards your second quote, i cant draw (well, i can but for lack of a tablet, they cannot be transferred into flash easily.) and i animate fine, Terkoiz can draw but he chooses to use sticks because they get the job done and he animates them with a high amount of skill. and im aware that a young person can draw a line in flash, because over on SPP we have a 9 year old animator who is one of the best there.
that's exactly my point. it's easy to draw sticks, therefore it's easy to animate with them.
i also don't believe there is any aspect of stick animation which can demonstrate superior animation over full body.
You really seriously believe half of what you are writing. It's shocking. It's like watching a kid in animeclub shriek about how Inuyasha is a good show while all the other members gawk.
Quote from: Clutchwhy should it matter if they are sticks, drawing abliity should have no say in how high a caliber an animator is. Oscar (the author of the castle series.) just simply prefers sticks, others just dont have the ability to draw a good figure. What should determine the score of a submission should be the quality of the animation not just simply the quality of the art (although the art should have some say, it shouldnt completely determine whether the animation.)
Animation is a series of drawings. If the art sucks, the animation sucks, and the only thing that will make the film worth watching is if by some stroke of genius, it happens to be entertaining/funny/smart while it offends the eyes. Alot of Adult Swim cartoons fall into this category.
Alot of low-budget paper animation and foreign films fall into this category as well. Sadly, alot of stop motion as well.
Sticks are easy to draw. And they don't look professional. Ever.
Quote from: Clutchim not saying that it should be held above a fullbody animation im saying that they both have strong and weak points in their styles of animating and that on certain aspects one can be above the other and they can be level.
Also I think i would call the castles figures sticks and they are quite detailed and are a finished design, just cause something is a stick figure doesn't mean its an unfinished design, but because of its lack of great and certain details it isn't and will never (nor should it) be held above a fully skinned out character. Therefore (at least in the way i think of it and explain it.) we are both right and wrong in talking of a sticks design.
There is no strong point to sticks. The simple reason people use sticks is because they are too lazy to actually design a character worth looking at, or because they belong to some sort of sad "stick figure club" where everyone HAS to draw sticks in order to fit in and not feel so lonely and pathetic.
Noone is saying sticks are an unfinished design. They are simply a lazy design.
Quote from: ClutchI agree, almost completely. The only thing in what you said that shouldn't (not saying its not.) be true is that stick animating will never be held in high regard. I think that there are certain stick animations that some full body animators will never touch because they are so fast paced, well done,
There's plenty of full-bodied fighting cartoons done in extremely fast-paced animation. The reason there aren't any online is because almost noone has felt like doing it. Because it takes time and effort. Alot more time and effort than drawing sticks. Not because stick figures are the only cartoons worth watching fight.
Yeah it takes a long time, because it requires the cartoon to be of a higher visual quality than "white screen with black line tool backround"
Quote from: ClutchIf a full body/traditional animator tried to pull off some of the aspects,topics, and lengths that stick animators animate with they would either fail miserably, or if they actually did it well, would take them around 2 years.
They'd also look alot better and be alot more fun to watch. Don't forget that part, BUDDEH!!
[!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=Clutch)--][div class=\\\'quotetop\\\']QUOTE(Clutch)[/div][div class=\\\'quotemain\\\'][!--quotec--]This is towards Freek-C too, im not trying to make them a morale art its just that, for people who enjoy animating sticks, or who are not able to animate full body, sticks is the way to go. But if someone makes a quality stick animation its bashed and ripped on just for being a stick animation, no matter how good it is.[/quote]
That's because even the best ones fail in comparison to good full-body animation. Just because the cartoon is sticks, doesn't mean it gets to be in it's own little bubble where it doesn't get compared and contrasted with everything else. Same with sprites. They all get judged by the same standards online because noone gives a shit and a half if you spent 5 years animating a stick kicking itself in the balls.
ALSO
butts.
and that is all.
damn zekey who are you i ask cuz i think yer kool!
Quote from: rtilthat's exactly my point. it's easy to draw sticks, therefore it's easy to animate with them.
i also don't believe there is any aspect of stick animation which can demonstrate superior animation over full body.
as i said, full body animators can reach higher than stick animators but stick animators can reach it faster and usually of a greater quality. What i mean by that is that if a stick animator and fullbody animator started animating at the same time, the stick animator would reach greater quality animation first but over time the fullbody will dominate.
Zekey- i read most of your post and first off Inuyasha sucks, anyone who thinks its good needs to die (lets not replace inuyasha with stick animation, mmm kay.)and second off most of your post is right, except that some people (me, for example.) cant draw in flash because of lack of a scanner and tablet, and i am utter shit with a mouse. also if the art sucks that does not instantly mean the animation sucks at all, it could be funny (like you said.) or it could be an incredibly well pulled off stick animation.
And i can see im losing this argument quite severely so im kinda done, although i do beleve that i mad at least some valid points throughout my arguments (please god say yes.)
Quote from: MishkaMashdamn zekey who are you i ask cuz i think yer kool!
How bout you either A. get out of this thread or B. Post something of importance to the thread not stuff like.
Oh i use sticks to draw characters i think that thats cool with a k and oh who is zekey he made me laugh hes even cooler with a k
Quote from: bugQuote from: Clutchhttp://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/417211 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/417211)
this is the reason why stick movies get a bad rap. shitty animators like him who think that they will instantly be an animating god just because they own a copy of flash and have watched people like terkoiz and Oscar. (Im talking strictly stick animators, i know that people are better than those 2.). He Has to Practice more and then come back and post. He needs to go lurk and post at places like SPP and SL, then get better and post again, but for some god damn reason i guess he thought that this was good. He even gets a fucking 2.7. That is bullshit.
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yeah dood how DARE he desecrate the high internet artform known as stickman animation. im gonna go vote him a 0. and then vote 0 on everything he has submitted THAT'LL SHOW HIM.
I fucking hate you, and i dont even know you.
it's funny how this guy is overreacting
Quote from: MishkaMashit's funny how this guy is overreacting
if your talking to me, how in the world am i over reacting.
Quote from: MishkaMashit's funny how this guy is overreacting
let's vote 0 on all his posts.
Quote from: ZekeyQuote from: MishkaMashit's funny how this guy is overreacting
let's vote 0 on all his posts.
im very confused right now?
Quote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashit's funny how this guy is overreacting
if your talking to me, how in the world am i over reacting.
stick "animation" is just lines and dots created by children
i think it shouldn't even be
mentioned as "animation"
but if you really think sticks are that great...
yeah bug he fucking hates you and doesn't even know you. Fell sad now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOFGuZjSq-4 bug vote 5 on this thread with a proxy now
Quote from: MishkaMashQuote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashit's funny how this guy is overreacting
if your talking to me, how in the world am i over reacting.
stick "animation" is just lines and dots created by children
i think it shouldn't even be mentioned as "animation"
but if you really think sticks are that great...
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594)
Find me children who can do this
Quote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashQuote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashit's funny how this guy is overreacting
if your talking to me, how in the world am i over reacting.
stick "animation" is just lines and dots created by children
i think it shouldn't even be mentioned as "animation"
but if you really think sticks are that great...
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594)
Find me children who can do this
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theonion.com%2Fcontent%2Ffiles%2Fimages%2FFat-Kid-R.jpg&hash=9a0060064af7ae021eb1768c1253c275763ae7c2) This one
Quote from: Psi43Quote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashQuote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashit's funny how this guy is overreacting
if your talking to me, how in the world am i over reacting.
stick "animation" is just lines and dots created by children
i think it shouldn't even be mentioned as "animation"
but if you really think sticks are that great...
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594)
Find me children who can do this
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theonion.com%2Fcontent%2Ffiles%2Fimages%2FFat-Kid-R.jpg&hash=9a0060064af7ae021eb1768c1253c275763ae7c2) This one
and who might that be?
John Benson. Don't you know him?
I mean you're a stick animator after all. This guy is 10 and probably the best stick animator.
Quote from: Psi43John Benson. Don't you know him?
I feel as though ive heard the name, but i doubt it
Quote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashQuote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashit's funny how this guy is overreacting
if your talking to me, how in the world am i over reacting.
stick "animation" is just lines and dots created by children
i think it shouldn't even be mentioned as "animation"
but if you really think sticks are that great...
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594)
Find me children who can do this
when i said children, i meant ANYONE CHILDISH ENOUGH to make a "stick animation" why i say that that i shouldn't even have to explain, i think zekey and rtil already covered that
and for the record, "stick animation" is just another wild craze that will, and i will say it, DIE
also stick figures have NO ORIGINALITY if you haven't noticed, why would you say "stick fanimation is getting a bad name", when it all looks exactly the same???? Seriously, it's just a fandom that'll die off someday like any other
P.S. i didn't watch them, i know "someone" got their ass kicked ;(
Quote from: bugSPPLNAOLPALLLA
Haha, that's where we first met I think. Don't remind me on that place man.
Quote from: MishkaMashQuote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashQuote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashit's funny how this guy is overreacting
if your talking to me, how in the world am i over reacting.
stick "animation" is just lines and dots created by children
i think it shouldn't even be mentioned as "animation"
but if you really think sticks are that great...
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594)
Find me children who can do this
when i said children, i meant ANYONE CHILDISH ENOUGH to make a "stick animation" why i say that that i shouldn't even have to explain, i think zekey and rtil already covered that
and for the record, "stick animation" is just another wild craze that will, and i will say it, DIE
also stick figures have NO ORIGINALITY if you haven't noticed, why would you say "stick fanimation is getting a bad name", when it all looks exactly the same???? Seriously, it's just a fandom that'll die off someday like any other
P.S. i didn't watch them, i know "someone" got their ass kicked ;(
oh i see what you did with the word fan. ok, if you think its gonna die tell me why its been around for over 6 years? Childish enough, go watch fucking castle, it shouldnt matter that it is sticks fucking morons.
@bug- im sorry i dont memorize animators real names and can you tell me what boards you abbrieviated there because i know they are not real.
fuck all of you, i thought at least you would be able to see where i was coming from with this, the fact that both stick and full body animation requires easing, timing, force, etc. yet stick animation gets it worse just because its characters arent skinned out. Fuck all of you except a couple.
hey guys shut the fuck up for a minute
Quote from: Clutchthought at least you would be able to see where i was coming from
We saw that you were coming from the other side, if you know what I mean.
Also, John Benson isn't an internet animator. He has made several stick movies for national television.
Quote from: Psi43Quote from: Clutchthought at least you would be able to see where i was coming from
We saw that you were coming from the other side, if you know what I mean.
Also, John Benson isn't an internet animator. He has made several stick movies for national television.
like which shows?
Quote from: bugQuote from: Clutch@bug- im sorry i dont memorize animators real names and can you tell me what boards you abbrieviated there because i know they are not real.
the boards are real. SPPLNAOLPALLLA stands for Stick Power Player League National Association of Legendary Pete Allan Leader Lover Liver of the stick Arts. and you would have to be a real heh *snicker snort* NOOB not to memorize the real name of John Benson hes only the greatest stick animator in grade school he is!
quite the real web site there, i also love how the only shots you guys (other than the ones who know what the fuck they are talking about.) are taking at stick animation is that its for children and the only thing your mocking me for is liking good stick animations and not knowing who the fuck john Benson is
yes we all know that it's easier to become better at some things in animation using sticks. but at some point people should evolve. and i wouldn't recommend starting with sticks either. is it that hard to draw a flour sack or a featureless person?
Quote from: ClutchQuote from: Psi43Quote from: Clutchthought at least you would be able to see where i was coming from
We saw that you were coming from the other side, if you know what I mean.
Also, John Benson isn't an internet animator. He has made several stick movies for national television.
like which shows?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Benson%28animator%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Benson%28animator%29)
He animated a movie called "The Sick Man", which was released this year. Not sure about the date. It was only 45 minutes, but it is a 'classic'. Pretty much every animator knows it.
Quote from: rtilyes we all know that it's easier to become better at some things in animation using sticks. but at some point people should evolve. and i wouldn't recommend starting with sticks either. is it that hard to draw a flour sack or a featureless person?
in my case, with a mouse. Yes. If i had a scanner or tablet i would gladly move to full body but seeing as i dont have the tools that i would personally need to do these things i settle for sticks, and am personally sick of people bashing them for the reason that they are sticks.
Quote from: Psi43Quote from: ClutchQuote from: Psi43Quote from: Clutchthought at least you would be able to see where i was coming from
We saw that you were coming from the other side, if you know what I mean.
Also, John Benson isn't an internet animator. He has made several stick movies for national television.
like which shows?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Benson%28animator%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Benson%28animator%29)
He animated a movie called "The Sick Man", which was released this year. Not sure about the date. It was only 45 minutes, but it is a 'classic'. Pretty much every animator knows it.
funny that when i was in wikipedia a minute ago, that wasnt in there, and that there is a date on when that was made. and the only picture of him, is the one you posted, the only info about him is what you posted, and there is no link to his animations. You are a fuck head, i dont care if you are respected around here, that shouldnt mean that you can just try and fuck with who you wish.
Quote from: Clutchyou can just try and fuck with who you wish.
oh actually, I can. It's the internet buddy.
Also, that guy is real. I just made that article for him, that is true, but that guy is real anyways. The reason why it's the only picture of him is because he's just a kid who animates for TV, it's nothing too special. You don't see a lot of pictures from Adam Phillips, who used to work for Disney either, do you?
Why would I lie about that it wouldn't make any sense. I was just proving you wrong, kids can actually animate sticks and that very well. Some day Benson's movie might come out on DVD, then you can rent it and watch it. You will probably like it.
Quote from: Psi43Quote from: Clutchyou can just try and fuck with who you wish.
oh actually, I can. It's the internet buddy.
Also, that guy is real. I just made that article for him, that is true, but that guy is real anyways. The reason why it's the only picture of him is because he's just a kid who animates for TV, it's nothing too special. You don't see a lot of pictures from Adam Phillips, who used to work for Disney either, do you?
Why would I lie about that it wouldn't make any sense. I was just proving you wrong, kids can actually animate sticks and that very well. Some day Benson's movie might come out on DVD, then you can rent it and watch it. You will probably like it.
you know what i fucking mean, i dont see a lot of pictures of Adam Phillips because i dont look for them. and if John Benson is so real find me a real article (not wiki.) about him.
Quote from: bugQuote from: Clutchfunny that when i was in wikipedia a minute ago, that wasnt in there
you probably typed it in wrong seeing as how you dont know of John Benson and all.
how bout you just follow psi a little more with your shitty little jokes.
And how about we all stop talking in this thread unless it is of actual importance to the thread.
Quote from: ClutchQuote from: Psi43Quote from: Clutchyou can just try and fuck with who you wish.
oh actually, I can. It's the internet buddy.
Also, that guy is real. I just made that article for him, that is true, but that guy is real anyways. The reason why it's the only picture of him is because he's just a kid who animates for TV, it's nothing too special. You don't see a lot of pictures from Adam Phillips, who used to work for Disney either, do you?
Why would I lie about that it wouldn't make any sense. I was just proving you wrong, kids can actually animate sticks and that very well. Some day Benson's movie might come out on DVD, then you can rent it and watch it. You will probably like it.
you know what i fucking mean, i dont see a lot of pictures of Adam Phillips because i dont look for them. and if John Benson is so real find me a real article (not wiki.) about him.
There used to be an article about him on SAO (SuccessfulAnimatorsOnline), but that site was closed down not too long ago. Maybe the article is floating around somewhere on the internet, still. It probably is. Bug, I and a lot of other people used to check the SAO blogs, that's how we knew about him. We were impressed by the work of that child, that's why we remembered him.
Quote from: Psi43Quote from: ClutchQuote from: Psi43Quote from: Clutchyou can just try and fuck with who you wish.
oh actually, I can. It's the internet buddy.
Also, that guy is real. I just made that article for him, that is true, but that guy is real anyways. The reason why it's the only picture of him is because he's just a kid who animates for TV, it's nothing too special. You don't see a lot of pictures from Adam Phillips, who used to work for Disney either, do you?
Why would I lie about that it wouldn't make any sense. I was just proving you wrong, kids can actually animate sticks and that very well. Some day Benson's movie might come out on DVD, then you can rent it and watch it. You will probably like it.
you know what i fucking mean, i dont see a lot of pictures of Adam Phillips because i dont look for them. and if John Benson is so real find me a real article (not wiki.) about him.
There used to be an article about him on SAO (SuccessfulAnimatorsOnline), but that site was closed down not too long ago. Maybe the article is floating around somewhere on the internet, still. It probably is. Bug, I and a lot of other people used to check the SAO blogs, that's how we knew about him. We were impressed by the work of that child, that's why we remembered him.
if he was real you could find an article about him
Clutch, I am disappointed in you.
Quote from: Stick ManClutch, I am disappointed in you.
Good
hahaha
Fuck it, thread Close
I probably could find something about him, but that would probably be hard and I don't really need to prove you something. Even if I would find an article, you'd say I just wrote it anyways.
Quote from: Psi43I probably could find something about him, but that would probably be hard and I don't really need to prove you something. Even if I would find an article, you'd say I just wrote it anyways.
No, find me an article on a legitimate site and then ill believe you.
also im just gonna stop posting in this thread now, unless there is something that interests me, so how bout we all just let it die?
I told you there used to be one on SuccessfulAnimatorsOnline. You should try to go on archive.org, it might be there.
Quote from: ClutchQuote from: Psi43I probably could find something about him, but that would probably be hard and I don't really need to prove you something. Even if I would find an article, you'd say I just wrote it anyways.
No, find me an article on a legitimate site and then ill believe you.
Here. Several articles about him. (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=noma&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2)
I hope those show the truthfulness of our words.
Quote from: ZekeyQuote from: ClutchQuote from: Psi43I probably could find something about him, but that would probably be hard and I don't really need to prove you something. Even if I would find an article, you'd say I just wrote it anyways.
No, find me an article on a legitimate site and then ill believe you.
Here. Several articles about him. (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=noma&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2)
I hope those show the truthfulness of our words.
Oh yeah! I remember that guy! I think he animated some commercial a while back for feeding the kids of Africa...
YES FUCK YES. I already forgot about that ad. It's wasn't too well made (not comparative to his movie) but it was very nice, still. I can't seem to find it on youtube, does anyone remember the name of the ad?
guys be quiet hush hush
stagbeetle it's not really funny
Quote from: stagbeetleguys be quiet hush hush
If it's too loud THEN YOU'RE OLD
hey it's me Oscar Johansson creator of the popular stick figure series Castle
I just joined the boards, and I must say I am quite dissapointed with some of the members here, mostly Clutch. I'm sorry, but you are bringing a bad name to all stick animators everywhere.
Also, I hate myself
aha oh what the fuck, when i went to bed last night this thread had 3 posts, guess i missed the party.
anyway i think everyone else has already said everything, ill never respect stick movies, will never like them, will never see them as a resepctable form of art or animation, and will always see their creators and fanbase an untalented 13 year old naruto-dry-humping faggots.
Quote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashQuote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashQuote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashit's funny how this guy is overreacting
if your talking to me, how in the world am i over reacting.
stick "animation" is just lines and dots created by children
i think it shouldn't even be mentioned as "animation"
but if you really think sticks are that great...
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594)
Find me children who can do this
when i said children, i meant ANYONE CHILDISH ENOUGH to make a "stick animation" why i say that that i shouldn't even have to explain, i think zekey and rtil already covered that
and for the record, "stick animation" is just another wild craze that will, and i will say it, DIE
also stick figures have NO ORIGINALITY if you haven't noticed, why would you say "stick fanimation is getting a bad name", when it all looks exactly the same???? Seriously, it's just a fandom that'll die off someday like any other
P.S. i didn't watch them, i know "someone" got their ass kicked ;(
oh i see what you did with the word fan. ok, if you think its gonna die tell me why its been around for over 6 years? Childish enough, go watch fucking castle, it shouldnt matter that it is sticks fucking morons.
@bug- im sorry i dont memorize animators real names and can you tell me what boards you abbrieviated there because i know they are not real.
fuck all of you, i thought at least you would be able to see where i was coming from with this, the fact that both stick and full body animation requires easing, timing, force, etc. yet stick animation gets it worse just because its characters arent skinned out. Fuck all of you except a couple.
no seriously, ALL stick animation sucks
so there
aaaw, you guuuuuuys! Stick animation is better than any fullbody animation ^_______________________^ Rtil you should redo freetown and change your characters into sticks :3333
Quote from: Loathsomeaaaw, you guuuuuuys! Stick animation is better than any fullbody animation ^_______________________^ Rtil you should redo freetown and change your characters into sticks :3333
Quote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashQuote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashQuote from: ClutchQuote from: MishkaMashit's funny how this guy is overreacting
if your talking to me, how in the world am i over reacting.
stick "animation" is just lines and dots created by children
i think it shouldn't even be mentioned as "animation"
but if you really think sticks are that great...
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404229)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/411045)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/410594)
Find me children who can do this
when i said children, i meant ANYONE CHILDISH ENOUGH to make a "stick animation" why i say that that i shouldn't even have to explain, i think zekey and rtil already covered that
and for the record, "stick animation" is just another wild craze that will, and i will say it, DIE
also stick figures have NO ORIGINALITY if you haven't noticed, why would you say "stick fanimation is getting a bad name", when it all looks exactly the same???? Seriously, it's just a fandom that'll die off someday like any other
P.S. i didn't watch them, i know "someone" got their ass kicked ;(
oh i see what you did with the word fan. ok, if you think its gonna die tell me why its been around for over 6 years?
because people are fucking stupid enough to follow up on animating sticks for 6 years, possibly longer, like any other fandom, is run by idiots, people who think they're "talented" enough to do it, or people who just want to fit in
but trust us, it will die off someday
ye
if i see a stick animation, and it has a really high score just cause its smooth and has papa roach as bgm it makes me sick.
its even worse when you see an animation by some 12 year old kid. the art isnt great, the music is unoptimized and a bad selection, but its all full body fbf, theyve tried really hard for months to do their best, and theyve produced something, though not brilliantly entertaining, respectable. and those are the kids who will probably go on to become the next adam phillips, the next rtil.
however, this kid misses out on a daily awar cause the latest super mario broz episode has just been released. he doesnt get any recognition cause everyones fapping to the latest stick anime flash.
thats why i hate this crap.
stickmen will never die anyone rthat thinks so is a complete fucking dolt its been around ever since mankind first started drawing
Quote from: Sinitronstickmen will never die anyone rthat thinks so is a complete fucking dolt its been around ever since mankind first started drawing
Actually stick men die in almost every stick men animation ever made.
^lmfao
Quote from: TealonQuote from: Sinitronstickmen will never die anyone rthat thinks so is a complete fucking dolt its been around ever since mankind first started drawing
Actually stick men die in almost every stick men animation ever made.
^ true
teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
I just watches all of the Castle flashes and I can honestly say that the series would be a lot better if the creator used unique characters instead of sticks. I don't know why anyone would put a lot of effort into a series with just a bunch of stick figures. It just seems pointless.
Quote from: W.A.C.I just watches all of the Castle flashes and I can honestly say that the series would be a lot better if the creator used unique characters instead of sticks. I don't know why anyone would put a lot of effort into a series with just a bunch of stick figures. It just seems pointless.
This warranted a post, Oscar (and we have all asked them this.) just prefers sticks. He can draw like a mofo, but he just prefers to animate with sticks, not because he is lazy, but just becase he enjoys them
sidenote- did you like the castle series?
Quote from: ClutchQuote from: W.A.C.I just watches all of the Castle flashes and I can honestly say that the series would be a lot better if the creator used unique characters instead of sticks. I don't know why anyone would put a lot of effort into a series with just a bunch of stick figures. It just seems pointless.
This warranted a post, Oscar (and we have all asked them this.) just prefers sticks. He can draw like a mofo, but he just prefers to animate with sticks, not because he is lazy, but just becase he enjoys them
sidenote- did you like the castle series?
woah woah woah hold on a second i never said i prefer sticks. The ONLY reason I use sticks is to get 500,000 views on newgrounds and win a lot of money. If i did anything else there's no way i'd be as popular as i am now.
Quote from: Clutchsidenote- did you like the castle series?
No but I didn't hate it. I would've enjoyed it more if the the creator used unique characters instead of sticks though. Also, just because he can draw well doesn't mean he can animate well with an art style similar to his drawings.
Quote from: W.A.C.Quote from: Clutchsidenote- did you like the castle series?
No but I didn't hate it. I would've enjoyed it more if the the creator used unique characters instead of sticks though. Also, just because he can draw well doesn't mean he can animate well with an art style similar to his drawings.
you got me there, but it would certainly help.
sticks (http://youtube.com/watch?v=gTIeBaXB_mA)
Quote from: Oscar JohanssonQuote from: ClutchQuote from: W.A.C.I just watches all of the Castle flashes and I can honestly say that the series would be a lot better if the creator used unique characters instead of sticks. I don't know why anyone would put a lot of effort into a series with just a bunch of stick figures. It just seems pointless.
This warranted a post, Oscar (and we have all asked them this.) just prefers sticks. He can draw like a mofo, but he just prefers to animate with sticks, not because he is lazy, but just becase he enjoys them
sidenote- did you like the castle series?
woah woah woah hold on a second i never said i prefer sticks. The ONLY reason I use sticks is to get 500,000 views on newgrounds and win a lot of money. If i did anything else there's no way i'd be as popular as i am now.
is that why i just fucking asked you again on MSN
god damn most of you guys are fucking morons, and hes done fullbody before so shut the fuck up.
Quote from: Clutchgod damn most of you guys are fucking morons, and hes done fullbody before so shut the fuck up.
whoa whoa whoa chill bro!! its all good bro chill! slow down there!!!11
faggot.
Does anybody remember that stick figure series Xiao Xiao? I think this paragraph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiao_Xiao#Copyright_infringement) from Wikipedia is kind of funny.
QuoteIn June 2004, Zhu filed a lawsuit against Nike for plagiarizing his cartoon stickmen in their commercials. Nike representatives denied the accusations, claiming that the stickman figure lacks originality, and is public domain. Zhu eventually won the lawsuit, and Nike was ordered to pay $36,000 to the cartoonist. However, on June 15, 2006, the Beijing High People's Court overturned the lower court's verdict. The high court rejected the December '04 ruling that found Nike had "copied his 'Little Match Man' illustration in one of its worldwide ad campaigns." Judge Liu Hui ruled that the head of Nike's "stickman wasn't attached to the body, which was different from Zhu's design and that the strokes used to draw the Nike figure's arms and legs were different from Zhu's also." Zhu will now have to pay court fees of more than US$5,000 (AP, 6/16) to Nike.
what the fuck? how can you copyright vector lines?
Quote from: FreekCQuote from: Clutchgod damn most of you guys are fucking morons, and hes done fullbody before so shut the fuck up.
whoa whoa whoa chill bro!! its all good bro chill! slow down there!!!11
faggot.
when i said most of you i meant the ones that are trying to just fuck with me and not trying to actually debate the subject, your fine because your not one of the fags saying. "oh, John Benson, yeah hes so sweet he animates stick for t.v although there is absolutely no evidence of his existence, hes there." and " "im the creator if castle, Oscar Johansson, and im disappointed in you."
what is castle, can someone link me
Here is his flash page, castle is a couple down.
http://www.deletionquality.net/flash.php (http://www.deletionquality.net/flash.php)
Quote from: ClutchHere is his flash page, castle is a couple down.
http://www.deletionquality.net/flash.php (http://www.deletionquality.net/flash.php)
ugly
it is surprising to me that anyone who is capable of drawing would prefer to limit themselves animation-wise by using stick figures.
that aside, this is the bottom line. animating with sticks can help you learn some elements of animation faster, but ultimately any form of fleshed out animation will in the end be more beneficial and look better with the proper skillsets.
if you don't believe me, take an animation class taught by a professional. he'll never have you animate a stick figure.
ok so i just watched castle 2. looked nice and smooth, all the lighting, the angle of the the helicopter was awesome, had that amazing spinning gun bit, but then that THING steps out the chopper. WHYYUYUYUYUUY.
also, when its running across the bridge it looks terrible. you thought with something so simple you could tween a descent run sequence
(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.heaven666.org%2Fimages%2Fpaul-bunyan-blow-job.jpg&hash=b84baba4cb5708c80754b76d116ac1eed703d754)
Quote from: rtilit is surprising to me that anyone who is capable of drawing would prefer to limit themselves animation-wise by using stick figures.
that aside, this is the bottom line. animating with sticks can help you learn some elements of animation faster, but ultimately any form of fleshed out animation will in the end be more beneficial and look better with the proper skillsets.
if you don't believe me, take an animation class taught by a professional. he'll never have you animate a stick figure.
Final Verdict right there. you can close this if you want
yo' we be jumpin on the flo'
sure, i think we've all had enough of this anyway
and notorious, for the 2nd time, that site doesn't allow hotlinking
also delicious