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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKCrbwGKpA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKCrbwGKpA)
This is definitely the best video I've seen showcasing one of the most famous examples in music.
Any thoughts?
I refuse to believe this is real somebody made a bunch of fake album covers and slightly edited some daft punk songs to pass off as originals because if this isn't fake this seems almost like total plagiarism
Kek, you can see why they opted to obfuscate:
Quote from: WikipediaSeveral websites list many other samples present on the album, but Bangalter has stated that half of the samples he had seen listed are not true. He also stated the sampling they do is legitimately done, not something they try to hide. Bangalter elaborated that the newly recorded elements were implemented in a way that was equivalent to "creating fake samples [...] where people think there are samples from disco records or funk records." Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo estimated that half of the sampled material on Discovery was played live by the duo, and emphasized that the resulting quality of the music was more important than the ego of who played which instruments.
I take no issue with sampling (which house music was invented through) and Verydisco is a 10/10 album imo. My issues arise from their rebranding these old records and deliberately masking their methods to appeal to white people who don't think loops are an artform and value origination over results. You can see how many comments on the video are from (white) people processing this cognitive dissonance. It was an extremely smart business move from DP and left us with amazing music, but the ethics at play are dubious at best. When I first heard Discovery at nine or 10 years old, I assumed the production was identical to whatever Final Fantasy soundtrack or Prozzak album I was also listening to at the time. You'll also see a lot of sample apologists (apologizing to themselves) claiming that all house music is produced entirely using samples, which is also untrue. It's probably around half or less.
This and vaporwave I think are some of the few genuine examples of cultural appropriation but libs are too dumb to recognize it when it actually happens. Too busy screaming about dreadlocks and headdresses. That said there are definitely ways of sampling disco that don't undercut/whitewash the culture where the music originated as the Reverend Robert Hood clearly demonstrates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_uY1Z1dljU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_uY1Z1dljU)
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Pray 4 rockists.
i thought it was common knowledge by now that discovery was full of samples. it doesn't change how i feel about the album (one of my favorites and always will be), if someone can take a sample and make a 'new' song that sounds good that's great. but if they're gonna lie about it that's a weird insecurity. part of why i like daft punk a lot is that i liked to think of them as the faceless robots instead of the people inside of them. i don't like learning about the personalities of the people behind the music i like because most of the time they turn out to be shitty people and then whenever i hear their music all i think about is the shitty person that made it. but that's kind of off-topic
Yeah I think they only told sweet little lies about it because of how controversial the technique is, especially 16 years agoir (again, mostly among white people. I think black house producers and DJs see their work as inherent bricolage anyway, more about the culture than the individual producer).
Quote from: rtil on March 26, 2017 01:22 PM
part of why i like daft punk a lot is that i liked to think of them as the faceless robots instead of the people inside of them. i don't like learning about the personalities of the people behind the music i like because most of the time they turn out to be shitty people and then whenever i hear their music all i think about is the shitty person that made it. but that's kind of off-topic
Kek, this is how I've heard a lot of people including Sam explain the particular appeal of vocaloid music to them as well.
And yeah Discovery is a legit perfect album no doubt. Early naughties was such a great time for mainstream sample based music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI89J55wZj8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI89J55wZj8)
One quick ques: Are we talking exclusively about the use of sampling in electronic music, or across music genres in general? Most people I know seem to readily accept that a lot of the instrumentals for hip-hop tracks are heavily sample-based, and a lot of musicians/bands I like (Ministry, Beck, Disco Inferno, Justice) used samples pretty frequently (albeit most of those samples were more akin to sound effects rather than adding melodies).
Something that's kind of related to what you were trying to talk about: A lot of sampling that goes on nowadays is more "copying" vocal melodies and lyrics rather than adding or modifying an instrumental track from an existing song. I don't necessarily find it a bad thing, since recontextualization and whatnot. However, a lot of the time they're branded to an audience that's probably not aware of the original songs in question, so it does kinda come off as a lazy way for writing songs, and tends to benefit from the demographic's lack of familiarity. It leads to stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwQZQygg3Lk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwQZQygg3Lk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpbQ4I3Eidg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpbQ4I3Eidg)
(apologies, couldn't think of an example that would consider "whitewashing")
I'd consider everything you posted electronic music personally, barring Ministry, Beck and DI (though they all flirt with it iirc, esp the latter two).
And yeah American corporate output will always follow the path of least creation. You see it in Hollywood as much as Top40 radio.
For an example of whitewashing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHU_HoAgck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHU_HoAgck)
This is literally just (French) house music with anime imagery slapped over it and a new name ("Future Funk," so people think it's new), but French house never called itself anything but house and admitted it owed everything to the gay black/hispanic club scenes of Chicago and New York. Future Funk just appropriates it and markets itself to people who buy memorabilia and utilities simply because they have anime printed on them (people like me).
Like you could take pretty much any track from this channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p21-wMj6ms (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p21-wMj6ms)
Play an A E S T H E T I C anime gif over it, and I doubt most Artzie subscribers would know the difference except that the production was about one thousand times more dynamic and interesting.
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literally who
Ya know
Mike Flangerus
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[spoiler]This actually ain't bad.[spoiler]What the fuck it's good.[/spoiler][/spoiler]
https://youtu.be/vP4nrGjvWas (https://youtu.be/vP4nrGjvWas)
I recognize the album covers Bam had posted. A large vat of egg salad sandwiches to the person who had taken the time to compile and upload these series as a way to provide, yes, the original sourced song and to discover tracks you would have not picked up on.
Hopefully, the videos won't be taken down. It might.
This video and the series are cool.