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My friend kept telling me to watch it as it aired because it's the greatest not-clusterfuck of all time that puts evangelion and akira to shame but I was like "eh"
Quote from: SrsSam77 on September 2, 2016 07:44 AM
not-clusterfuck
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only on ep 12 but the more i see the more i'm realizing it's the most overhyped anime since attack on titan. yes it is good but it's far from a masterpiece and it's riddled with plot holes, unless you want to talk about waifubait this anime is on point but i'm not taking the bait although i can't not do a ram/rem fanservice piece now i'd have to be insane not to
Oh it's most definitely overhyped. Personally speaking I went in with exceedingly low (like SAO/Asterisk War/Overlord low) expectations that were exceeded at pretty much every turn (at least for the first cour), and I guess I'm still watching because of that.
It's no masterpiece but as far as LN adaptations go it ain't bad. Also I thought you liked SnK?
Looking forward to the piece!
Quote from: Bamyasi on September 3, 2016 06:41 AM
Oh it's most definitely overhyped. Personally speaking I went in with exceedingly low (like SAO/Asterisk War/Overlord low) expectations that were exceeded at pretty much every turn (at least for the first cour), and I guess I'm still watching because of that.
It's no masterpiece but as far as LN adaptations go it ain't bad. Also I thought you liked SnK?
Looking forward to the piece!
i do like snk, but, like i said, it was overhyped as a masterpiece when in reality it is just good which is exactly what i just said
fortunately i was following snk as it was being released so i didn't go in expecting anything except from what i saw from the original trailer
with re:zero i started watching it when it was already halfway over and thousand of buckets of cum were dumped on rem
Ah yeah that never helps. I kinda see Rem's appeal but not to the point I understand how she became the internet's collective meme-waifu. That said it also doesn't really make sense why Toyota has such Oneism for EMT.
Which plotholes were you thinking of specifically?
Also did you watch Konosuba? Ya might like that better. It's certainly more fun.
the biggest plothole in re:zero is subaru. his character makes absolutely no sense to me. here we have a self-proclaimed NEET loser gamer from our world who goes to convenience stores for junk food in the middle of the night suddenly transported to another dimension. at first he thinks it's a video game for some reason, i guess i can believe that, but he quickly realizes it isn't. but instead of panicking and trying to get back to his real life, he instantly accepts his new life in a strange world where people are trying to kill him and magic is real. eventually the constant dying starts to get to him, but his psyche miraculously recovers very quickly with each "return from death". for a NEET, he's highly sociable, friendly, relatable - he's extremely comfortable talking to women, hitting on them, even asking them on dates with complete confidence. he's not even half bad at defending himself from trained killers, and his excuse is that he swung a sword around in his room or something. i guess they're not plotholes so much as he is lazily written to the point where he's a walking contradiction of what he's supposed to be. i just don't see any normal person reacting like Subaru does to his situation - and his caretakers falling for him so easily.
in a lot of ways he's no different from Kirito in SAO. i mean didn't we all see it coming when Emilia was explaining the types of magic and how to test which one you have, that Subaru would have none of them but instead some very special rare magic. he's just a more cleverly disguised Marty Stu.
and no i didn't see konosuba. i know it's supposed to be a SAO parody or something but i got this vibe from it that i wouldn't like it.
I think I'm mostly alone in liking how Lexus is written. Sure he's quick to accept his circumstances, but I find it believable as he had very few ties to his native dimension. His repeated dying does result in an incremental character development IMO, even if his arc is cumulative and full of regressions rather than being linear. That's how real personalities develop right? His traumas only have subtle effect until episode 15 or so. The swordplay thing is a bit unrealistic but we never actually see Acura defend himself or anyone else with a sword IIRC. As to his attitude toward women, I'd chalk that up to derealization (does it sound like denial yet?).
Nissan does in fact have flaws, namely trying to hard, and doing so for the wrong reasons. Emilia (If there's one character in this show I kinda hate/an element I find unbelievable it's her/Subaru's love for her) even reams into him for this around the end of the first cour. I disagree with the Gary Stu assessment personally. My biggest problem with is character is that we're so rarely given visual insight in the form of flashbacks into his homeworld life or what made him the way he is, but I get that's supposed to make self-insertion easier for manchildren or something. Yes his caretakers fall for him easily and I really hope this will be explained away with some twist, like the Jealous Witch's scent/influence or whatever attracting certain types, similar to how Araragi's residual vampirism functions in Monogatari, and attracting him to Emilia. It's a convenient "All according to Keikaku"-type resolution, but it's better than bitches being on his dick simply because he's the main character in an anime. But that could never happen haha right guys? Haha
Ha.
since i'm way behind on the anime maybe i'll grow to like him more or something will change my mind. he does have flaws but even his flaws aren't really bad things, like he tries too hard or he's too optimistic and good-natured. he could certainly be a lot worse, and he is rightfully weak, i just find him curiously cunning, strong-willed and socially well-adjusted for someone that never would have developed those skills in the real world.
Fair point. Perhaps that's why he was [spoiler]chosen[/spoiler] or some similar contrivance but let's hope not.
i like the show idk
rebecca chambers is best girl
I like your face.
Also that would be Claire Redfield
Worst ending of an overall pretty entertaining show in a while...
I really liked this anime for its mid-part when everyone was dying left and right and the main guy really struggled with himself to move on, but at some point it completely lost its punch... the final fights didn't really feel thrilling to me or dangerous for the cast anymore, but what bothered me the most was the high amount of plot holes towards the end of the show.
[spoiler]Did they explain where he got that fireball thing that he threw at the sloth priest in the first fight or what exactly he did to avoid becoming possessed or what exactly he did with the book to finish the guy off? And even more importantly: How did he know that it would work? Where did he get the information? Did I miss something or is it simply impossible to follow for someone who hasn't read up on the details from the novel?
Many other things felt incredibly rushed, like the special skill of the merchant or the end of the episode itself... it feels like so much is missing... many of the other important characters are not even shown or mentioned anymore. Yet, everyone is alive and happy and the mood just seems all too well, considering how many things are yet a mystery to the hero.
None of the initial questions from the beginning of the show were explained even remotely. We still have no idea why and how the main guy was transported to the world and what his purpose might be... Other characters such as Puck just became more and more suspicious towards the middle, but those incidents seem to have been forgotten completely and are not even questioned by the main guy.
The way this show ended was rather disappointing to me and felt even more out of place than a forced cliffhanger. I guess they simply wanted to "conclude" it to make it work even as a standalone if the Discs don't sell, but the way they ended it simply felt very unfitting and unsatisfying to me.[/spoiler]
Wow gee spoilers.
given its popularity, and the fact that the LNs are still going, season 2 in the near future is likely
Yeah I finished it today with friends and none of us thought the ending was that bad.
If that was the actual end of the show yeah it would be terrible but I'm sure most of Kött's grievances will be addressed in season 2.
Some of those things did feel like asspulls though I'd agree.
Quote from: Bamyasi on September 24, 2016 06:08 AM
If that was the actual end of the show yeah it would be terrible but I'm sure most of Kött's grievances will be addressed in season 2.
>25 more episodes of subaru's ugly crying and vomiting
idk if i can handle it tbh fam
currently on ep 16. ep 15 was the first episode i genuinely enjoyed. also i liked when that bitch with the huge tits told him to lick his foot and then kicked him in the face when he tried to do it
Yeah that was a good scene. This show has some of the best doms goddamn.
They don't call him Subaru for nothing ba dum tss.
It was pretty solid when it started and I loved the middle part, but the ending was simply rushed as dicks and they paid too much attention to scenes which could have been shortened to explain some of the asspulls. I don't even mind asspulls as long as they are explained, but this shit, boy, was just... nah! It feels like they want you to read the novel to understand what the fuck is going on and why the fuck it is going on...
In general, it just feels like a waste to not even mention certain other characters anymore after building them up so well in the mid-episodes. MAL had Rem listed as a main character for a while, but for some reason, they changed that back.
When shit was going down at the beginning of the third arc, I actually imagined the show to become much darker, with shit like sexual obligations of servants to their masters and Rosewell supporting Emilia for the sole reason of wanting to be the king on her side/being horny for her, already having made a contract for an arranged marriage, breaking Subaru's miserable little heart and rape and boners and dicks and... this is way too fucking speciffic, I know. But the scenes with Rosewell and Ram in the second arc did seem kind of questionable, yet, again, none of it was explained! And then you suddenly have those moe chibi cat things, riding the wolf and the trap cat knight, becoming the internet's cumbucket replacement for rem and everything working out way too well without ANY kind of conflict or suspense! It was just disappointing!
I mean, we have an entire universe that has its very own rules in regards to society and a very dark premise... and yet, in the end it just feels like another swort art online bullshit thing, with the guy jumping on the carriage and saving the day like a faggot! Not even the goodamn Yoshi thing died! Where is my precious despair?
But yeah... to be a bit more serious about this: The ending simply felt rushed and forced to me, I barely felt any conflict or suspense in the final episodes and I must say that the show as a whole, for some reason, turned from very dark and intriguing to very corny and generic.
Quote from: Kött on September 26, 2016 11:02 PM
Rem
Point and laugh, everyone. Point and laugh.
[spoiler]But yeah I see what you're saying. It would've aligned somewhat more with the Nietzchean themes of the show had it ended on a darker tone, with at least one permadeath of a major character or something, but I think writers opted for at least a pretense of closure. A lot of people on /a/ were saying Corolla didn't develop or whatever but I think he did. His story is one of embracing circumstance and in that regard I'd say he passed.[/spoiler]
Also who
doesn't want there to be more Freudian psychosexual motifs in this show? I think both you and I might have a problem with misplaced or overly-high expectations (having both had the exact same response to KlK's final act), so I feel your pain. There definitely wasn't the same level of bathos as in either Danganronpa anime this season so in my book it at least lived up to expectations as an animated clusterfuck which took itself at least semi-seriously.
Really don't think rtil's missing much if he drops it now though.
>episode 18
wtf i hate anime
Quote from: Bamyasi on September 27, 2016 05:01 AM
Really don't think rtil's missing much if he drops it now though.
i am going to see it through to the end (and probably regret it)
seriously though i've already gone on a rant about subaru, i still hate him and i'm glad he's admitted he's nothing more than a piece of shit, but what is the deal with rem? she spends half the episode talking about her subaru x rem fanfiction to his fucking face like she's been thinking about it for the couple of weeks he's known him. rem was shown in the beginning to be highly untrusting of people to the point of killing someone if they were even a slightly vague threat. then she falls in love with him because he saved her life through sheer luck and willpower? for the last couple episodes she's been following him around like a lapdog, she'd jump off a fucking bridge if it'd make subaru happy. and don't even get me started on subaru's love for emilia, at least puck has killed him (twice) for trying to white knight her and failing miserably.
Yeah, Rem's development does seem a little retarded from a distanced viewpoint... but I guess most waifu material is based on rather unrealistic characters who undergo a questionable development. There aren't many anime which do it right, so at the moment only Toradora comes to my mind when I try to think of a comprehensible hype for a female character. Although, the general rule seems to be - the more messed up, the better (Lucy, Yuuno Gasai, Watamote etc.)
if she was only put there to be waifubait then they did their job well. it's disappointing from a storytelling perspective though
welp i finished it. first impression: 4/10, although i feel it might be too harsh. there were moments i genuinely liked, but the anime pussies out on every theme it dabbles in except cornball chivalry, so overall it was mostly a waste of time.
Quote from: Kött on September 19, 2016 10:53 PM
[spoiler]Did they explain where he got that fireball thing that he threw at the sloth priest in the first fight or what exactly he did to avoid becoming possessed or what exactly he did with the book to finish the guy off? And even more importantly: How did he know that it would work? Where did he get the information? Did I miss something or is it simply impossible to follow for someone who hasn't read up on the details from the novel?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]what i assume is that at the time he was still sharing a "body" with Julius. i think writing blood in the book (he wrote "the end" i think) just shocked Betelguese because he tainted his holy book that he cares so much about, and throwing it distracted him. he wouldn't have been able to read the writing in blood anyway because nobody in that world can read Japanese (although they can speak it just fine). how did he know it would work? he didn't really.. he was just confident and, again, through sheer willpower made his plan work. and there wasn't time for him to die again so they had to wrap things up :wile:[/spoiler]
Quote from: Kött on September 19, 2016 10:53 PM
[spoiler]Many other things felt incredibly rushed, like the special skill of the merchant or the end of the episode itself... it feels like so much is missing... many of the other important characters are not even shown or mentioned anymore. Yet, everyone is alive and happy and the mood just seems all too well, considering how many things are yet a mystery to the hero.
None of the initial questions from the beginning of the show were explained even remotely. We still have no idea why and how the main guy was transported to the world and what his purpose might be... Other characters such as Puck just became more and more suspicious towards the middle, but those incidents seem to have been forgotten completely and are not even questioned by the main guy.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]we also don't know or understand why Subaru has "return from death", how it works, why it changes, where it came from, who gave it to him, or.. basically anything about it. we can speculate but we don't know for sure. it's almost as bullshit as the time traveling power from Erased except only slightly less convenient beacuse he doesn't seem to have any control over where it takes him, and he has to die to activate it.
we also don't know why Emilia called herself Satella in the beginning of the show, why Puck can transform into a mass-murdering demon beast, and characters like Ram or the loli with the forbidden library didn't get enough development and honestly served next to no purpose.
supposedly there will be 2nd season but i dont' know what the fuck it would be about since i don't know anything about the source material and frankly don't care.[/spoiler]
i was gonna write more about it, but after looking at the MAL page, this review (https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=229322) touches on most of my issues with re:zero and why it annoyed me so much. but unlike him, i would not recommend it to anyone.
Should have gone with your gut tbh.
[spoiler]I'd give it a generous 6/10.[/spoiler]
Hoping it gets darker in subsequent seasons if I bother watching them.
Also the show is kind of about overcoming things through sheer willpower so that part didn't really bother me. The chivalry neither as it's a quasi-Gothic medieval fantasy.
i didn't mind it with the old dude. subaru is just into his white knight power fantasy and the dumb bitches in his life enable him.
I wouldn't say Emelia did until the end, but that's part of why the finale felt hamfisted imo.
yeah i didn't really get that. everything was very rushed near the end.
Alright. Let's just end this.
Felix is best girl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8z-4yx0Pf0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8z-4yx0Pf0)
i agree
The more (less) I think about this show the more mediocre it seems.
rtil, Digibro and a large portion of /a/ were right.