This isn't a poll, because I know you'd all pick Trump
Does socialism even exist in any shape or form in the US, because I swear even your Democrats are more right-wing than our Conservatives (our right wing party)
I honestly don't think it matters much because our political system is so broken and it's become increasingly obvious our entire country is run by a malicious shadow government composed entirely of "people" for whom geopolitics is merely a game of chess.
Sure Bernie Sanders makes a lot of promises but people who so enthusiastically support him don't remember the guy we have now doing the same thing in 2008, albeit with more empty sloganeering, and he turned out to be a warmongering psychopath (or at least representative of warmongering psychopathy). I didn't vote for him in 2012 and I wouldn't vote for his Jewish counterpart now. People equate Bernie's proposed policies with Socialism but he's really just tapping into millennial "entitlement" (as the Boomers call it but it's actually hopelessness born from lack of foresight (debts for meaningless degrees, etc.)). True Socialism could never work here because we aren't homogenized enough.
Hillary Clinton is obviously a criminal but she will probably win the nomination because of the liberal agenda. Trump isn't much better and lies all the time, but at least he's not pretending to be anything but a corrupt businessman, if that makes sense, which is why he appeals to so many conservatives and nihilists. If I had my choice of all the candidates I'd probably pick Rand Paul, but he fell victim to a smear campaign by both arms of the media and I'm surprised he hasn't dropped out yet. Again I think our government is just so beyond saving at this point that the only way to fix it would be through armed insurrection but everyone's too lazy to do that again except for a few misguided rag-tag groups in the west and south and the only support they get from the general population is a lifetime supply of sex toys (I'm serious (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-idUSKCN0US31420160115)).
TL;DR: We're completely fucked and I'm sorry we're going down kicking and screaming.
crackers where are you from?
hes from the mythical land of scotland
i would vote for trump because the world needs a little less freedom
i will be voting for Bernie Sanders, he is the only obvious choice
Quote from: Bamyasi on February 1, 2016 01:38 PMSure Bernie Sanders makes a lot of promises but people who so enthusiastically support him don't remember the guy we have now doing the same thing in 2008, albeit with more empty sloganeering, and he turned out to be a warmongering psychopath (or at least representative of warmongering psychopathy). I didn't vote for him in 2012 and I wouldn't vote for his Jewish counterpart now. People equate Bernie's proposed policies with Socialism but he's really just tapping into millennial "entitlement" (as the Boomers call it but it's actually hopelessness born from lack of foresight (debts for meaningless degrees, etc.)). True Socialism could never work here because we aren't homogenized enough.
bernie sanders' campaign actually reminds me more of ron paul 2008 than obama in the sense that his following had serious delusions of grandeur. ron paul fans would storm every online poll and event and chant his name until eventually the msm was forced to acknowledge his existence. now bernie sanders' campaign is far more successful than ron paul's ever was but at this point 8 years ago ron paul was leading in iowa and i think we all know how that turned out.
sanders is also similar to paul in that they have a very long congressional history that backs up their big talk. obama was not a senator very long and he was obviously easily bought and paid for once he locked up the nomination and quietly agreed to play by the DNC's rules.
i am extremely cynical about politics and federal elections especially so i have not hitched my wagon to any campaign and i have no plans to do so in the future either and will instead watch while america inevitably votes some fucking clown into office because they have "charisma" and said something they liked that one time on tv. i've actually tried campaigning and caucusing in the past and it felt like a complete waste of time. politics shows some of the ugliest sides of humanity and drains you physically, mentally and emotionally. everyone is at eachother's throats, no one respects anyone else's beliefs and people will do anything to undermine supporters of opposing candidates and ideologies to the point where they'll support and actively work towards enacting prohibitive voting laws and manipulative practices like gerrymandering to keep the same political legacies in power. everything has to be black and white and people who think that way drive me insane.
anywayyyyyyyyy i think rand paul and bernie sanders are the only candidates running who seem to actually believe what comes out of their mouths and don't want to play by the establishments rules (and the msm makes it all too obvious). i guess trump doesn't want to do the latter either but he will say anything to get elected and he's not afraid of saying anything either which is part of why people like him. but i think a #nofilter president would be bad for this country, he's an amusing public figure but the leader of a nation? it would make a funny tv show but in reality it would be terrifying at best.
i'd like to see a sanders vs trump race but i think we'll be seeing shillary vs cruz. i hate them both
Yeah you're right about Bernie's campaign being more similar to Ron's (I don't remember the latter too well). It just amazes me that it seems like the same people who fell for Obama's empty promises the hardest are now doing the same for Bernie's (fool me once, etc.). I have no doubt that Bernie would be bought out exactly the same way. I can't remember what comedian made this joke but it went like: it's Obama's first day in office and he's super excited to fulfill all his buzzwords and memes and then someone says "Show him the basement." Maybe Bernie would be different I don't know, but I think the problem is inherent in the system.
Campaigning sounds awful.
Quote from: rtil on February 1, 2016 02:44 PM
gerrymandering
Here's an annoying College Humor video for people who don't know about that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd5rul6EdF0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd5rul6EdF0)
There's also one on the electoral college that's kind of worth watching too.
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Quote from: zwimmy on February 1, 2016 06:27 PM
Americans will never have a man who's campaign for office was based solely on memes, "weed lmao" and piggybacking off of his father's work in office.
Americans will never have a man Who has caused the government to go 6 billion dollars over yearly budget in hisfirst month in office.
Americans will never have a man who pissed off the oil companies in canada causing them to pull out, take jobs with them, and SEVERELY cripple the nation's GDP.
Americans will never have a man who has caused the canadian dollar to lose 14 cents on the american dollar within his first month of office.
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Fixed it for you zwimmy bb
Quote from: SrsSam77 on February 1, 2016 08:12 PM
Americans will never have a man who's campaign for office was based solely on memes
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Quote from: crackers on February 1, 2016 10:59 AM
This isn't a poll, because I know you'd all pick Trump
u got it
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Quote from: Bamyasi on February 1, 2016 05:59 PM
Yeah you're right about Bernie's campaign being more similar to Ron's (I don't remember the latter too well). It just amazes me that it seems like the same people who fell for Obama's empty promises the hardest are now doing the same for Bernie's (fool me once, etc.). I have no doubt that Bernie would be bought out exactly the same way. I can't remember what comedian made this joke but it went like: it's Obama's first day in office and he's super excited to fulfill all his buzzwords and memes and then someone says "Show him the basement." Maybe Bernie would be different I don't know, but I think the problem is inherent in the system.
i think the key difference would be that sanders would actually attempt to carry out his campaign promises but congress would never let him do anything. then after 6 years of gridlock he'd stop caring, get sick of being blamed for everything and agree to some half-baked legislation full of compromises and pork that the lobbyists will approve to make it look like he got something done
and that of course goes back to what you said, the problem is in the system. campaign finance reform would be a great start but the only people who can make it happen are the people who benefit from it not happening.
Quote from: rtil on February 1, 2016 11:30 PM
i think the key difference would be that sanders would actually attempt to carry out his campaign promises but congress would never let him do anything. then after 6 years of gridlock he'd stop caring, get sick of being blamed for everything and agree to some half-baked legislation full of compromises and pork that the lobbyists will approve to make it look like he got something done
Pardon me if I'm wrong, but isn't that more or less what happened with Obama? Wasn't healthcare reform like first on his list but took his entire first term to pass?
Quote from: rtil on February 1, 2016 11:30 PM
and that of course goes back to what you said, the problem is in the system. campaign finance reform would be a great start but the only people who can make it happen are the people who benefit from it not happening.
And this is why we need guns. It's unfortunate but true.
Though it's not like it the patriots who took arms this time would be defeated in anything more than one fell swoop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ)
^This is what happens when you try to get Uncle Sam to stop touching you inappropriately.
Quote from: Bamyasi on February 1, 2016 11:45 PM
Quote from: rtil on February 1, 2016 11:30 PM
i think the key difference would be that sanders would actually attempt to carry out his campaign promises but congress would never let him do anything. then after 6 years of gridlock he'd stop caring, get sick of being blamed for everything and agree to some half-baked legislation full of compromises and pork that the lobbyists will approve to make it look like he got something done
Pardon me if I'm wrong, but isn't that more or less what happened with Obama? Wasn't healthcare reform like first on his list but took his entire first term to pass?
you're not wrong, there's some things that he promised and attempted to get done, but if you listen to senator obama and president obama he sounds like two different people. he backed off on a lot of things once he took office - especially reigning in corporate power.
I Always Vote Vermin
I'm going to have to say bernie mostly just cause i don't have any interest in anybody else winning. I doubt he will be all that effective if the senate and congress continue to be how they currently are but it's better to have an ineffective but well-meaning president than an effective but detrimental one (which considering how the senate is red would most likely be a mainstream republican president)
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Quote from: rtil on February 2, 2016 12:18 AM
you're not wrong, there's some things that he promised and attempted to get done, but if you listen to senator obama and president obama he sounds like two different people. he backed off on a lot of things once he took office - especially reigning in corporate power.
turned from anti to extremely pro lgbt as well
the sjw in chief
1. bernie sanders
2. rand paul
3. elon musk
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I think america needs to really retract from the rest of the world for a decade and a half or so.
Not as much as we did in like pre/post WWI but something towards it, where we can focus more on whats going on here, not just mother Columbia but the whole of south and north America, rather than trying to protect our assets thousands of miles away across the world. Sure we need to keep ties with those countries to stay a world power, but other than having Gucci Warships and Armani Drones the rest of our demeanor has been trashed.
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Quote from: ExBerian on February 2, 2016 02:52 PM
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I think america needs to really retract from the rest of the world for a decade and a half or so.
This opinion really shouldn't be unpopular because it's the correct one.
I'm much more scared of Ted Cruz being in power than I am Trump. Trump seems like he'd be a one off, but Cruz seems like a dynasty builder - once he got into power, he'd set the mold for those to follow after. He's intelligent aswell - which makes the fact he's so hideously right-wing even more fearsome
Regardless I'm just a skinny white liberal what do I know
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Yeah, which of the candidates aren't pro-Israel? Ironically Sanders seems to be the least so, at least of the Democrats.
Quote from: Bamyasi on February 2, 2016 11:14 PM
Yeah, which of the candidates aren't pro-Israel? Ironically Sanders seems to be the least so, at least of the Democrats.
if you aren't you can't say anything or you'll make quick enemies your party chairmen and the israel lobby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncbOEoQbOg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncbOEoQbOg)
Democracy in action.
meanwhile
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>2016
>not voting for a marble bust
>mfw
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Quote from: zwimmy on February 5, 2016 02:18 AM
>2016
>not voting for a marble bust
>mfw
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mfw i have to google what mfw means every time someone uses it
my feisty wife
my flaccid wiener :(
my fucked world
Okay I'm starting to genuinely think I might vote for Drumpf in the primary, if not the general election.
Everyone on Quora's reason against voting for him was "he's a business man" and "he's only interested in promoting his brand" i.e. he's a politition. I mean what the fuck do they think Shillary is all about? At least he didn't vote for the Iraq war.
I know Trump would definitely say anything to get elected and expand his ego, but my concern with Hillary is that she would do anything for the same end. Trump was a registered Democrat until '09 and the fact that people interpret him as dyed-in-the-wool racist just proves SJWs care more about PC posturing than actual policy. Plus this may sound cynical of me but to we really want our first woman president to be the wife of a former Commander in Chief?
I don't love Bernie Sanders but I'll still probably for him in the primary. Most older Dems I've talked to won't because quote "he couldn't accomplish everything he says he would." If there's such a gridlock then why are we so afraid of Trump doing things? What is Hillary's platform anyway that makes her preferable?
This doesn't seem to want to embed. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2P9_BZWSy2E)
If it's between Trump and Hillary in the GE my ballot is going to Trump unless someone can convince me otherwise. I'm willing to commit Sudoku if he fucks everything up even more though after acquiring office.
I voted for trump at the primaries the other day because
a) he has the dankest memes and
b) I refused to allow Ted-cruz eater of boogers to take texas in a landslide.
A lot of people try to poke trump full of holes but they don't realize that the other republican candidates except Kasich to an extant are talentless AND soulless hacks that are running for office so lobbyists can give them a shekel enema as long as they put out policies supporting the special interests.
So far trump has taken no big league donations from special interests which in my eyes is enough of a saving grace to give him a chance.
I also highly admire his no bullshit straight talk attitude and verbal brawling skills; while he may not be able to expound on what his policies are at the moment I have full faith that come the general election he'll have gathered enough of the top policy advisors available to put out a truly great nationalist/populist playbook
Also if you want to know WHY trump is so successful:
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/139541975641/the-trump-master-persuader-index-and-reading-list (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/139541975641/the-trump-master-persuader-index-and-reading-list)
The author of dilbert who's a trained hypnotist and nlp guy dissects trump's political moves and speech patterns.
Yes his diction makes me wet tbh. Thanks for the link.
the GE will be interesting because i don't believe the GOP base will rally behind Trump and i don't think Sanders voters will turn up for Hillary, either. inversely i don't think GOP voters will vote Hillary out of anger because she's just as hated and Sanders has very very little in common with Trump and almost none of those things are policy related which are important to Sanders voters. there's also the possibility that Hillary is criminally indicted during that time and a new candidate will have to take her place. the DNC will probably pressure Biden to do it. could also bring up some interesting chances for 3rd party candidates but they won't be able to beat Trump.
it's admirable and everything that Trump is self-funded and refuses to take big money but that alone doesn't make him qualified to be president. Trump is a demagogue in the same way that Hillary is, he's just tapping into more of the prejudiced, angry and confused voterbase that's fed up with establishment candidates. blame-shifting is one of the pillars of his success. he's effectively changed the game of politics and the election cycle. but Trump actually being in the oval office, imo, is like a joke taken too far. i hate the RNC/DNC/Koch brothers/lobbyists as much as anyone else, but i'm not giving Trump a vote just to spite them.
but i'd never vote for Hillary, either. i'd never forgive myself for voting for such a low-life liar and a criminal who has her campaign staff and husband running around the country doing her dirty work. for that, she is worse than Trump. but i don't believe in the "lesser of two evils", and so i imagine that when i get my ballot the line for POTUS will probably remain blank.
I'm just reading this thread now but rtil pretty much nailed it covered a lot of what I wanted to say with a few changes. Bernie seems genuine enough that I'm voting for him in the primaries but I'm not drinking the koolaid that everyone else seems to be. In all likelihood it will be Hilary taking the nomination, and while I dislike her I'll still have to vote for her now that Rand Paul has dropped out of the running.
Even if Bernie took the nomination it's scary to think that the Primary Model predicts Trump winning with near certainty; not many of my friends can believe that Trump has a decent chance of winning. I'm hoping that if he does end up winning he'll do what all businessmen do and hire people more qualified than him as advisers. For example, his proposed policy on guns was surprisingly well put together, so much so that he can't possibly have come up with it on his own. It's the one area that I actually prefer him over Bernie.
This year will be interesting though because you have Gary Johnson taking votes from Libertarians/Moderates and Jill Stein taking votes from disgruntled, ignorant Bernie supporters (assuming Hilary wins the nomination). So honestly who knows how it will turn out, either a repeat of Gore/Nader/Bush or the same but with the Republicans.
i mean if it really comes down to trump or hillary in the white house i'd rather have trump in there. our country will be the laughing stock of the world but i'd rather be morbidly entertained than have to hear "president hillary clinton" for at least 4 years
Quote from: Gilthwixt on March 5, 2016 06:37 AM
Even if Bernie took the nomination it's scary to think that the Primary Model predicts Trump winning with near certainty; not many of my friends can believe that Trump has a decent chance of winning. I'm hoping that if he does end up winning he'll do what all businessmen do and hire people more qualified than him as advisers. For example, his proposed policy on guns was surprisingly well put together, so much so that he can't possibly have come up with it on his own. It's the one area that I actually prefer him over Bernie.
This pretty much, while he may know nothing about a topic he will have or build the connections to people that do and will have them draft up a policy for him, I prefer this style of thinking over pushing legislation based off of a candidate's and their parties agenda with little to no outside input.
Quote from: rtil on March 5, 2016 07:45 AM
i mean if it really comes down to trump or hillary in the white house i'd rather have trump in there. our country will be the laughing stock of the world but i'd rather be morbidly entertained than have to hear "president hillary clinton" for at least 4 years
This is exactly how I feel.
If he doesn't get the nomination though I'll probably end up voting for Johnson again.
Quote from: rtil on March 5, 2016 07:45 AM
"president hillary clinton"
MADAME President
Hillary
Clinton
SHITLORD!!!
Honorable Chairman Hillary R. Clinton
supreme chancellor hillary clinton
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She's basically the president from Vanquish.
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And the villain in that game is basically Vladimir Putin.
Who's ready to defend capitalism against Russian death robots on a solar powered orbital space colony? #Shillary2016 #FifthGenerationWarfare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q3VhW7hncY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q3VhW7hncY)
Please don't vote for Trump. There's a lot I could say, but Louis C. K. is much better with words (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y6MCquebxWkBRMbRPiBEfYXnWzFce0zaWWLLEY6Rg_E/mobilebasic?pli=1) than I am.
Quote[spoiler] From LOUIS CK 3/5/16 - https://twitter.com/hunterwalk/status/706162158044745728 (https://twitter.com/hunterwalk/status/706162158044745728)
P.S. Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler. And by that I mean that we are being Germany in the 30s. Do you think they saw the shit coming? Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all.
And I'm not advocating for Hillary or Bernie. I like them both but frankly I wish the next president was a conservative only because we had Obama for eight years and we need balance. And not because I particularly enjoy the conservative agenda. I just think the government should reflect the people. And we are about 40 percent conservative and 40 percent liberal. When I was growing up and when I was a younger man, liberals and conservatives were friends with differences. They weren't enemies. And it always made sense that everyone gets a president they like for a while and then hates the president for a while. But it only works if the conservatives put up a good candidate. A good smart conservative to face the liberal candidate so they can have a good argument and the country can decide which way to go this time.
Trump is not that. He's an insane bigot. He is dangerous.
He already said he would expand libel laws to sue anyone who "writes a negative hit piece" about him. He says "I would open up the libel laws so we can sue them and win lots of money. Not like now. These guys are totally protected." He said that. He has promised to decimate the first amendment. (If you think he's going to keep the second amendment intact you're delusional.) And he said that Paul Ryan, speaker of the house will "pay" for criticizing him. So I'm saying this now because if he gets in there we won't be able to criticize him anymore.
Please pick someone else. Like John Kasich. I mean that guy seems okay. I don't like any of them myself but if you're that kind of voter please go for a guy like that. It feels like between him and either democrat we'd have a decent choice. It feels like a healthier choice. We shouldn't have to vote for someone because they're not a shocking cunt billionaire liar.
We should choose based on what direction the country should go.
I get that all these people sound like bullshit soft criminal opportunists. The whole game feels rigged and it's not going anywhere but down anymore. I feel that way sometimes.
And that voting for Trump is a way of saying "fuck it. Fuck them all". I really get it. It's a version of national Suicide. Or it's like a big hit off of a crack pipe. Somehow we can't help it. Or we know that if we vote for Trump our phones will be a reliable source of dopamine for the next four years. I mean I can't wait to read about Trump every day. It's a rush. But you have to know this is not healthy.
If you are a true conservative. Don't vote for Trump. He is not one of you. He is one of him. Everything you have heard him say that you liked, if you look hard enough you will see that he one day said the exact opposite. He is playing you.
In fact, if you do vote for Trump, at least look at him very carefully first. You owe that to the rest of us. Know and understand who he is. Spend one hour on google and just read it all. I don't mean listen to me or listen to liberals who put him down. Listen to your own people. Listen to John Mccain. Go look at what he just said about Trump. "At a time when our world has never been more complex or more in danger... I want Republican voters to pay close attention to what our party's most respected and knowledgeable leaders and national security experts are saying about Mr. Trump, and to think long and hard about who they want to be our next Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world."
When Trump was told what he said, Trump said "Oh, he did? Well, that's not nice," he told CBS News' chief White House correspondent Major Garrett. "He has to be very careful."
When pressed on why, Trump tacked on: "He'll find out."
(I cut and pasted that from CBS news)
Do you really want a guy to be president who threatens John McCain? Because John McCain cautiously and intelligently asked for people to be thoughtful before voting for him? He didn't even insult Trump. He just asked you to take a good look. And Trump told him to look out.
Remember that Trump entered this race by saying that McCain is not a war hero. A guy who was shot down, body broken and kept in a POW camp for years. Trump said "I prefer the guys who don't get caught." Why did he say that? Not because he meant it or because it was important to say. He said it because he's a bully and every bully knows that when you enter a new school yard, you go to the toughest most respected guy on the yard and you punch him in the nose. If you are still standing after, you're the new boss. If Trump is president, he's not going to change. He's not going to do anything for you. He's going to do everything for himself and leave you in the dust.
So please listen to fellow conservatives. But more importantly, listen to Trump. Listen to all of it. Everything he says. If you liked when he said that "torture works" then go look at where he took it back the next day. He's a fucking liar.
A vote for Trump is so clearly a gut-vote, and again I get it. But add a little brain to it and look the guy up. Because if you vote for him because of how you feel right now, the minute he's president, you're going to regret it. You're going to regret it even more when he gives the job to his son. Because American democracy is broken enough that a guy like that could really fuck things up. That's how Hitler got there. He was voted into power by a fatigued nation and when he got inside, he did all his Hitler things and no one could stop him.
Again, I'm not saying vote democrat or vote for anyone else. If Hilary ends up president it should be because she faced the best person you have and you and I both chose her or him or whoever. Trump is not your best. He's the worst of all of us. He's a symptom to a problem that is very real. But don't vote for your own cancer. You're better than that.
That's just my view. At least right now. I know I'm not qualified or particularly educated and I'm not right instead of you. I'm an idiot and I'm sure a bunch of you are very annoyed by this. Fucking celebrity with an opinion. I swear this isn't really a political opinion. You don't want to know my political opinions. (And I know that I'm only bringing myself trouble with this shit.) Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself. And really I don't mean to insult anyone. Except Trump. I mean to insult him very much. And really I'm not saying he's evil or a monster. In fact I don't think Hitler was. The problem with saying that guys like that are monsters is that we don't see them coming when they turn out to be human, which they all are. Everyone is. Trump is a messed up guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never ever have enough of either and he'll never stop trying. He's sick. Which makes him really really interesting. And he pulls you towards him which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. He's not a monster. He's a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another TV show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings. But please stop voting for him. And please watch Horace and Pete.[/spoiler]
Quote from: 300BillionDegrees on March 5, 2016 10:07 PM
Quote from: LOUIS CK 3/5/16
P.S. Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler
Figuratively stopped reading there.
We have checks and balances for a reason.
That entire article is louis c.k. whining about trump for the same reasons Glenn Beck whines about trump
anyways
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/05/david_brooks_temporary_conservative_third_party_would_lose_white_house_but_preserve_integrity_of_gop.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/05/david_brooks_temporary_conservative_third_party_would_lose_white_house_but_preserve_integrity_of_gop.html)
the establishment is literally now openly talking about making a 3rd party if trump wins the nomination just to hand the general election to hillary, because handing an election to the other party is worth it to "preserve the classic (neo)conservative ideals"
I really hope the trump train picks up infinite momentum now, jesus
Maybe it's just because of my Japanese heritage, but his talk of extreme bigotry, openly calling for minorities to be beaten at his rallies, calls for databases, torture, approval of internment camps, murder of families of suspected terrorists, expansion of libel laws to eliminate all criticism, etc. make me a bit uneasy about that kind of bullying asshole being president. Maybe I'm not brown enough to be first against the wall, but the excessive anti-immigrant preaching of someone who refused repeatedly to disavow endorsements from the grand wizard of the KKK (an organization that his father was a member of) doesn't make me feel good about the future of this country or the safety of my mother and most of my friends.
Presidential power has been growing the past seven years due to a stagnant congress, and if you don't believe a president trump will executive order the living shit out of everything possible, you're fooling yourself.
Quote from: 300BillionDegrees on March 5, 2016 10:51 PM
Maybe it's just because of my Japanese heritage, but his talk of extreme bigotry,
Wanting to prevent people who commit the felony of entering the country
illegaly and halting the immigration of people from the middle east that the u.s. can not currently properly vet is not bigotry, I'd argue it is common sense but that is subjective.
Quote from: 300BillionDegrees on March 5, 2016 10:51 PMopenly calling for minorities to be beaten at his rallies
HAHAHAHAHA what? do you have a video besides the one of the blm protester punching people and calling the attendees racist?
Quote from: 300BillionDegrees on March 5, 2016 10:51 PMcalls for databases
true, but we already have them
Quote from: 300BillionDegrees on March 5, 2016 10:51 PMtorture
true, but we already do that
Quote from: 300BillionDegrees on March 5, 2016 10:51 PMapproval of internment camps
That's illegal and we're not currently at war so pulling a 1940's style japanese internment is completely illegal and unconstitutional
Quote from: 300BillionDegrees on March 5, 2016 10:51 PMexpansion of libel laws to eliminate all criticism
this may be the only point I'd halfway agree with you on, but you do have to admit 60% of the shit on the news is falsehoods and the news needs to be cleaned up and brought back from sensationalism
Quote from: 300BillionDegrees on March 5, 2016 10:51 PMwho refused repeatedly to disavow endorsements from the grand wizard of the KKK
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA we got a CNN watcher here, he disavowed david duke the moment he heard about it on twitter, he did have a fumble though in the cnn interview because he couldn't hear the question, ALSO david duke said he "wants people to vote for trump" because he likes trump, that isn't an endorsement, that's like saying you endorse hitler because you like pizza and hitler also did (oh and david duke got kicked out of the KKK in the 80-90s)
Quote from: 300BillionDegrees on March 5, 2016 10:51 PM(an organization that his father was a member of)
If you can source an article I'll discuss it but his dad was a classic northeastern man and I don't see how someone 1000 miles away from the deep south could be a klan member
Quote from: 300BillionDegrees on March 5, 2016 10:51 PMfear for mine, my mothers, and my friend's lives
You just think he's literally fucking hitler at this point lmfao
You seem to really believe the CNN narrative, I'd suggest you check out his policies yourself and maybe watch a rally or two. Everything you've said is blind rhetoric
"Call Trump a racist or a bully or a xenophobe if you must, but do not, under any circumstances, insult the length of his fingers."
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/2/11148356/donald-trump-short-fingers-small-hands-vulgarian (http://www.vox.com/2016/3/2/11148356/donald-trump-short-fingers-small-hands-vulgarian)
my vote is for tiny finger trump
I don't watch cnn, and there are plenty of sources out there but I'm not googling everything for you. He has reversed everything he's ever said at one time or another, but I don't believe the "faulty earpiece" bullshit, nor most anything else he's claimed. I've watched his rallies, he has no real policies other than using almost exclusively one and two syllable words.
The Japanese internment camps were created by executive order and were upheld by the Supreme Court. They are still officially legal, and we are 'at war with terrorism' which has been used to justify an awful lot already. I don't want to believe trump will be as bad as all that and that he is only trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator of a bunch of ignorant racists, but I've lived with discrimination (albeit mild compared to many) my whole life and the atmosphere created by this asshole only makes things worse.
I'm no tumblr SJW or anything like that, I throw up in mouth a little every time I think that I may have to vote for Hillary, but I live in a swing state and the last time people didn't vote or protest voted, we got bush the younger and all the baggage that came with that. I desperately hoping for Bernie myself, even if his policies won't likely happen at least he is sincere in his beliefs (as is Ron Paul, but he isn't in the running).
I'd like to say I empathize with you 3BD and understand your concern.
Please don't forget though, the internment of Japanese and other Asian citizens was sanctioned by a president many today consider to be one of the greatest in history, one who remains a liberal hero, and also approved the Manhattan Project. The fact that he is still considered a national icon proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that liberals can be just as blind to injustice as conservatives, depending on who carries it out.
I have no doubt there will be people living in camps in fifty years, but I don't think it will be based on racial lines (move your family away from the coast unless you want your children to be eating FEMA lunchables for most of their lives).
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Quote from: soup on March 6, 2016 07:48 PM
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same thing happened when Obama started winning, but idk why conservatives would wanna move to countries that have socioeconomic policies they are trying to prevent in America
obviously no one actually moved away but if Trump wins i could see it happening
John Kasich is the most stable actual candidate, but he's probably not sensational enough to win the nomination.
I think it's absolutely hilarious how leftist journalists are doing character attacks on Trump, Cruz, and Rubio when no one seems concerned with the fact that Bernie was a hippie stoner jobless parasite for 20 years after his college graduation and that Hillary Clinton is a literal criminal. You really think that the Democratic party is full of innocent nice guys who aren't corrupt, who totally are on your side, and who have never lied or bullied anyone before?
People are scrutinizing the Republican candidates to a huge degree and drawing out sweeping, out-of-context criticisms, but they aren't applying that same skepticism and scrutiny to any of the Democratic candidates. The playing field is always going to be inherently unequal whenever you do this. It's almost like the left is more concerned with coercing your vote through manipulation rather than actually engaging in reasoned argumentation :^).
Quote from: basketweaver on March 6, 2016 08:13 PM
John Kasich is the most stable actual candidate, but he's probably not sensational enough to win the nomination.
I think it's absolutely hilarious how leftist journalists are doing character attacks on Trump, Cruz, and Rubio when no one seems concerned with the fact that Bernie was a hippie stoner jobless parasite for 20 years after his college graduation and that Hillary Clinton is a literal criminal. You really think that the Democratic party is full of innocent nice guys who aren't corrupt, who totally are on your side, and who have never lied or bullied anyone before?
People are scrutinizing the Republican candidates to a huge degree and drawing out sweeping, out-of-context criticisms, but they aren't applying that same skepticism and scrutiny to any of the Democratic candidates. The playing field is always going to be inherently unequal whenever you do this. It's almost like the left is more concerned with coercing your vote through manipulation rather than actually engaging in reasoned argumentation :^).
nah it works both ways
biased journalism has a narrative to push on either side
i think more americans every year are starting to realise both establishments are essentially the same but not enough to make a real difference
Why do people threaten to move to Canada every time someone they don't like gets elected? It's so stupid. Getting citizenship there would be incredibly hard and it's not like people who could afford to move even have that much at stake with the presidency. We'd probably be better off without such spineless wimps around anyway.
Also anyone who thinks Donald Trump is a "tool" or "idiot" should really read this (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius) (thanks Sam).
Quote from: rtil on March 6, 2016 08:42 PM
Quote from: basketweaver on March 6, 2016 08:13 PM
John Kasich is the most stable actual candidate, but he's probably not sensational enough to win the nomination.
I think it's absolutely hilarious how leftist journalists are doing character attacks on Trump, Cruz, and Rubio when no one seems concerned with the fact that Bernie was a hippie stoner jobless parasite for 20 years after his college graduation and that Hillary Clinton is a literal criminal. You really think that the Democratic party is full of innocent nice guys who aren't corrupt, who totally are on your side, and who have never lied or bullied anyone before?
People are scrutinizing the Republican candidates to a huge degree and drawing out sweeping, out-of-context criticisms, but they aren't applying that same skepticism and scrutiny to any of the Democratic candidates. The playing field is always going to be inherently unequal whenever you do this. It's almost like the left is more concerned with coercing your vote through manipulation rather than actually engaging in reasoned argumentation :^).
nah it works both ways
biased journalism has a narrative to push on either side
i think more americans every year are starting to realise both establishments are essentially the same but not enough to make a real difference
i agree but i think its simply easier to disparage right wingers
the thing is that "leftist propaganda" as some may call it (not discrediting legitimate left leaning ideolgies of course) can simply find wider appeal not necessarily among proponents of such - you can always ascribe features like "religious fanatic" to somebody. now that can tarnish the persons reputation among everyone, other followers, moderate followers, nonreligious individuals.
homophobia, disrespect for womens right blah blah the list goes on
when you assemble all of this into a coherent image then the politican ends up looking like a complete moron and thats what people believe them to be
Quote from: michaell on March 7, 2016 09:16 PM
Quote from: rtil on March 6, 2016 08:42 PM
Quote from: basketweaver on March 6, 2016 08:13 PM
John Kasich is the most stable actual candidate, but he's probably not sensational enough to win the nomination.
I think it's absolutely hilarious how leftist journalists are doing character attacks on Trump, Cruz, and Rubio when no one seems concerned with the fact that Bernie was a hippie stoner jobless parasite for 20 years after his college graduation and that Hillary Clinton is a literal criminal. You really think that the Democratic party is full of innocent nice guys who aren't corrupt, who totally are on your side, and who have never lied or bullied anyone before?
People are scrutinizing the Republican candidates to a huge degree and drawing out sweeping, out-of-context criticisms, but they aren't applying that same skepticism and scrutiny to any of the Democratic candidates. The playing field is always going to be inherently unequal whenever you do this. It's almost like the left is more concerned with coercing your vote through manipulation rather than actually engaging in reasoned argumentation :^).
nah it works both ways
biased journalism has a narrative to push on either side
i think more americans every year are starting to realise both establishments are essentially the same but not enough to make a real difference
i agree but i think its simply easier to disparage right wingers
the thing is that "leftist propaganda" as some may call it (not discrediting legitimate left leaning ideolgies of course) can simply find wider appeal not necessarily among proponents of such - you can always ascribe features like "religious fanatic" to somebody. now that can tarnish the persons reputation among everyone, other followers, moderate followers, nonreligious individuals.
homophobia, disrespect for womens right blah blah the list goes on
when you assemble all of this into a coherent image then the politican ends up looking like a complete moron and thats what people believe them to be
despite that the republicans have controlled congress for the last 6 years so it hasn't really affected voters' actions all that much
I agree with michaell and would chalk Republican control of Congress to mostly older people voting in midterms, people who aren't moved by rhetoric like "the right side of history" (opposite Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.)
Quote from: Bamyasi on March 8, 2016 06:34 AM
I agree with michaell and would chalk Republican control of Congress to mostly older people voting in midterms, people who aren't moved by rhetoric like "the right side of history" (opposite Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.)
yes , old people especially retirees are the ones who actually go out and vote/caucus. the youth can bitch and moan all they want, they outnumber the baby boomers but they never go out and fucking vote. they leave their fate up to the older generation that they disagree with, have the power to stop it from happening but don't do it.
i get that it's easier for older people with literally nothing better to take their jalopy to the polling place while mr. millenial is stuck behind the chipotle counter all day, but for fuck's sake at least get an absentee ballot.
Amen
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she's the worst of the candidate-tan's but I feel like you need this
it's hard to make a balding jewish man in his mid-70's look like a cute girl
If it's between Trumpu-chan and nii-san in the GE I really don't know who I'll vote for. I kind of want it to be Trump and Hillary just because the debates would be more entertaining. Their rhetorical skills are more evenly matched imo.
your political system is so right wing it's actually disgusting. have fun whoever you vote for, lol
having a spine and advocating individual and state rights isn't "so right wing" it should be the norm over the current welfare state coddle culture
Left and Right wing are such meaningless terms. I prefer r/K selected.
Canadian meme philosopher dad will explain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8N3FF_3KvU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8N3FF_3KvU)
i like the use of left-wing and right-wing cuz it highlights how the French Revolution and social embourgeoisement basically began the irreversible destruction of the western European tradition
there's a really stupid hashtag going around called #votebluenomatterwho
i wish americans thought about voting for people not parties
Quote from: 300BillionDegrees on March 5, 2016 10:51 PM
Maybe it's just because of my Japanese heritage, but his talk of extreme bigotry, openly calling for minorities to be beaten at his rallies, calls for databases, torture, approval of internment camps, murder of families of suspected terrorists, expansion of libel laws to eliminate all criticism, etc. make me a bit uneasy about that kind of bullying asshole being president. Maybe I'm not brown enough to be first against the wall, but the excessive anti-immigrant preaching of someone who refused repeatedly to disavow endorsements from the grand wizard of the KKK (an organization that his father was a member of) doesn't make me feel good about the future of this country or the safety of my mother and most of my friends.
Presidential power has been growing the past seven years due to a stagnant congress, and if you don't believe a president trump will executive order the living shit out of everything possible, you're fooling yourself.
lol
the irrational hysteria of trump haters encapsulated neatly
who cares
Quote from: soup on March 10, 2016 07:32 PM
"I don't hate it, I just don't care."
— Me generally, on everything
Fixed.
pretty sure i hate it as well
Touché
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bernie is done too
I voted for Sanders today due to peer pressure from my relatives.
Oh yeah feel the Bern baby *lights ballot on fire*
Quote from: rtil on March 16, 2016 01:55 AM
bernie is done too
Not *done* done thanks to proportional delegates, but it would take some pretty extraordinary circumstances to catch up at this point.
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Real talk though bernie could've been crushing hillary by now if his fucking 17-26 demographic would actually go out to vote like trump supporters of the same demographic are.
I wonder what it feels like to be hillary and just automatically win without doing anything while trump is fighting tooth and nail to win states
Quote from: SrsSam77 on March 16, 2016 06:46 AM
I wonder what it feels like to be hillary and just automatically win without doing anything while trump is fighting tooth and nail to win states
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Defintely voting for Trump now, if anyone. (http://time.com/4265947/hillary-clinton-aipac-speech-transcript/)
Trump is also pro-Israel but his position on it is somewhat nebulous (surprise surprise)
A flaccid stance on Israel is still more attractive than the massive boner Hillary displayed today.
i think it's simply true that Trump is a good businessman and entrepreneur. John Oliverites will disagree with this, but it's been debunked -- if there is anything Trump is good at, even if you think he's a rude and horrible person, he's good at making deals and generating cash; turning a 1 million dollar loan into 200 million dollars in the period of 12 years in REAL ESTATE is not bad at all.
one of the most important qualities of a businessman is being able to learn new skills and get into new markets. trump's business ventures are extremely diverse (properties, casinos, golf courts, wineries, books, food, investing, marketing, even board games, and probably others I'm missing), and every time you enter a new market, there's a new set of skills to learn and a new way of doing things that isn't the same as you've done it before. he's proved himself to have an effective leadership and management style, and i honestly think he's a smart man who knows how to learn on the fly. i think you're doing him a great injustice if you think he's gonna be a buffoon who presses all the big red buttons as soon as he gets into the white house.