Part 2 of
Controversial Threads that Surely Won't Devolve into Shitposting or Public Stoning by This Time Tomorrow.
Does anyone else think we go a bit overboard in our persecution of pedophiles/ephebophiles (and by proxy the marginalization of molestation victims
1)?
Don't get me wrong, I definitely think child molestation is bad (though I don't think grooming would be
inherently that much worse than, in the words of a friend molested "forcing your kid to play little league baseball," (terrible analogy but we were 17) if basically every American idea about sexuality weren't based on puritanism), and I think many times the stigmatization that occurs after the fact can be just as much if not more damaging to the victim than the experience itself (but that's debatable and I'm not here to argue either way on that).
You may have read this Salon article (http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/), published a few months ago. While a guy basically recounting his life story seems to do a lot wherever Humbert Humbert-tier narcissism and slave morality rule, the effects are more important. To me, it seems logical that the ingroup not treating an outgroup like literal closeted monsters would result in said outgroup not behaving like them in an affront to said ingroup. It's our fucking responsibility to protect those smaller and weaker than us, and if normalizing pedophilia (not molestation) even slightly for therapeutic purposes would result in even one fewer child getting molested, you bet your ass we have to oblige (what to we have to lose anyway? A massage chair in the holy hereafter?):
Quote from: Todd NickersonThere are still holdouts, people who believe that pedophilic feelings should be crammed down into the most subterranean recesses of ourselves, never to be discussed in the open, but these folks are going the way of the dodo bird. Anyway, we've tried that. Take it from someone who has firsthand experience: it not only doesn't work, it tends to make things far worse. Please repeat this mantra to yourself: a repressed, unhappy pedophile is a pedophile at risk.
Quote from: Todd NickersonTruly, the very concept of a pedophile who neither molests nor wants to molest children is often anathema to people's way of thinking. The long-held belief that pedophiles are destined to abuse kids is a tough one to overcome, yet many of us get just as upset as—if not more upset than—non-pedophiles when we read accounts of sexual abuse, not only because we hate when one of the little people we love most suffers, but also because, whenever yet another pedophile is arrested, it reinforces the reigning paradigm of the pedo as ticking time bomb.
As an aside, it's retarded that people like this are put in a box with the Peter Scullys and Jeff Dahmers of the world (and further, that less violent molesters are as well). That kind of irrational thinking serves nothing, aside from maybe Protestant and latent Protestant egos.
1. It's important to note that these two things are not the same. "Pedophile" and "child molester" are often conflated, but they aren't mutually inclusive (in the same way "heterosexual male" is not the same as "rapist" (well, unless you ask a radical feminist)). Not all pedophiles are child molesters, and most molestations aren't even committed by pedophiles
[1] (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924933814777314).
With VR becoming ever imminent, I think it's important to talk about stuff like this. It would be a shame if new technologies could help give these poor saps an outlet, but the Religious Right, SJWs, and other conservative interest groups got in the way (I don't want to turn this into another SJW bashing thread but I do find it interesting pedophile acceptance as a cause is completely left out of their crusade).
TL;DR: It's statistically likely that one of the people browsing this forum was molested as a child, but it's also possible one of us is a pedophile. Why shouldn't we actively try help both (instead of what society does now: stigmatize them in kind)?
[NSFW]'d so I don't get put on another watch list.
Okay now you can throw rocks at me.
i think the 'justice porn' culture that's come out of media is a little weird and a lot of it is targeted at pedophiles
but i also think that there are too many people online that try to normalize pedophilia (like reddit's obsession with ephebophilia and responding to the banning of /r/jailbait with "muh free speech") when it's a serious mental illness
i don't know about enough about the topic to have any further opinion nor do i care to
Hey, something I actually agree with you on!
I detest child molesters as much as the next guy, but I have quite a lot of respect for non-acting pedophiles. Having to suppress a desire as primal as your own sexuality with absolutely no chance of relief must take an enormous amount of willpower.
Sadly there are numerous countries that outlaw things such as loli/shota hentai and written porn involving underage characters, which are the only outlet they have. My outlook is basically: if you're not hurting kids yourself or directly contributing to their abuse (i.e. watching real child porn, thereby creating a larger market for said porn), then go ahead and do whatever, it's not my business.
As far as 'pedophile acceptance' goes, that'll never happen for several reasons, but mainly because of the longstanding misuse of the term to mean an active pedophile, i.e. a molester, rapist, piece of shit, whatever the term you'd prefer.
When have we ever disagreed besides about polyamory being an institution and (presumably) Antinatalism and human rights and that Caravan song kinda sounding like Planet Caravan?
Quote from: ProtoChaud on January 9, 2016 11:10 AM
I detest child molesters as much as the next guy, but I have quite a lot of respect for non-acting pedophiles. Having to suppress a desire as primal as your own sexuality with absolutely no chance of relief must take an enormous amount of willpower.
Sadly there are numerous countries that outlaw things such as loli/shota hentai and written porn involving underage characters, which are the only outlet they have. My outlook is basically: if you're not hurting kids yourself or directly contributing to their abuse (i.e. watching real child porn, thereby creating a larger market for said porn), then go ahead and do whatever, it's not my business.
A-fucking-men. Banning that stuff is so stupid, but it's the lengths people will go to keep things that make them uncomfortable off the shelves (related to the problem of censorship at large). Unrelated but I've even had a self professed Brony (like, the bad kind) friend of a friend say YuruYuri made her "uncomfortable, because the girls are like 10." I don't have a problem with bronies/furries in general but even they get outraged at stuff like this.
Quote from: ProtoChaud on January 9, 2016 11:10 AM
As far as 'pedophile acceptance' goes, that'll never happen for several reasons, but mainly because of the longstanding misuse of the term to mean an active pedophile, i.e. a molester, rapist, piece of shit, whatever the term you'd prefer.
Probably right, but this is where articles like the Salon one will hopefully come in handy.
Quote from: rtil on January 9, 2016 11:08 AM
a serious mental illness
Pedophilia, perhaps (if only because it causes distress, differentiating it from most other normalized orientations (but then again so did homosexuality for most of history (I'm not a moral relativist I swear))).
Ephebophilia, entirely dependent on the age of consent laws where you live.
Quote from: rtil on January 9, 2016 11:08 AM
i don't know about enough about the topic to have any further opinion nor do i care to
Fair enough.
I agree about the justice porn. I think a lot of the attempts to rethink the condition are in backlash to stuff like that.
for the record i was talking about pedophiles not ephebophiles
what i meant by bringing it up was that communities like reddit will go out of their way to sexualize any girl of any age and find a way to justify it as normal/healthy behavior
Oh yeah fuck that shit.
they should be castrated alright gay hentai isnt a solution
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Quote from: rtil on January 9, 2016 11:40 AM
for the record i was talking about pedophiles not ephebophiles
what i meant by bringing it up was that communities like reddit will go out of their way to sexualize any girl of any age and find a way to justify it as normal/healthy behavior
true
>non-acting pedophiles
So a guy who has a rape fetish but doesn't act on it is just as okay? despite being a ticking timebomb?
also the guy who wrote that fucking salon article has said he would go full on pedo mode if it was legal
https://8ch.net/cow/res/173083.html (https://8ch.net/cow/res/173083.html) <---links and infographs, the guy describes himself as "being out of the toybox"
shit thread about subhuman trash
right wing death squads fucking when
kill em all
Quote from: mealguien on January 9, 2016 04:59 PM
I've actually been thinking about this quite a bit after the whole "Jared from Subway" fiasco.
Like everyone else, I really hated to hear about what he did, but this had me thinking "How exactly do we know who a pedophile (not necessarily ephebophile, if that's an actual term) is before they get caught doing what they did?". Before this incident, pretty much the most negative opinion of the guy was "he probably lied about losing weight to sell sandwiches". Are a lot of these people seemingly normal at first glance? Are there any who are able to coexist peacefully with the rest of the world? Are there people out there who are able to give support to people conflicted about this?
Yeah it's weird how everyone turned on him so suddenly. Not that they didn't have a reason, but it's almost like people don't think with their brains when stuff like this happens. The girl he paid to have relations with was within a year of the AoC. So she turns 18 and suddenly it's okay and not coercive at all? Seems illogical.
Quote from: mealguien on January 9, 2016 04:59 PM
Apologies if I'm misinterpreting based on the bad analogy, but I disagree on this one point. If we're going on the definition of grooming as "manipulating kid's emotions so that they trust you with whatever you want to do with them", then this isn't something I really think people should tolerate from a stranger, or even from a family member.
Of course not, my friend's argument was simply that it isn't intrinsically worse to manipulate a child into fondling than to manipulate them into anything else. I wouldn't have paid much credence to the argument if I didn't already agree and said friend hadn't been molested herself as a child. Personally I think it's wrong to impose
anything on someone else without their consent, including existence itself.
Quote from: SrsSam77 on January 9, 2016 06:12 PM
>non-acting pedophiles
So a guy who has a rape fetish but doesn't act on it is just as okay? despite being a ticking timebomb?
Yes. Plenty of people are sexually gratified by ero guro but that doesn't mean they're going to make out with anyone's organs. This argument is just as stupid as saying your girlfriend having a rape fantasy (which she probably does, it's normal), means she actually wants to be raped. There's a thing called the reality/fiction dichotomy, even if the line is a bit blurry sometimes.
Quote from: SrsSam77 on January 9, 2016 06:12 PM
also the guy who wrote that fucking salon article has said he would go full on pedo mode if it was legal
https://8ch.net/cow/res/173083.html (https://8ch.net/cow/res/173083.html) <---links and infographs, the guy describes himself as "being out of the toybox"
I didn't read the whole thread, but the quote in question is from 2006. He said he'd converted to fully celibate only within the last two years. Anyway it doesn't matter because child molestation as we now understand it will never be legal so basically your slave morality is showing.
Quote from: SrsSam77 on January 9, 2016 06:12 PM
shit thread about subhuman trash
right wing death squads fucking when
When you pray hard enough (love you Sam).
Quote from: SrsSam77 on January 9, 2016 06:12 PMshit thread about subhuman trash
right wing death squads fucking when
Quote from: Gladius on January 9, 2016 07:04 PMkill em all
Quote from: michaell on January 9, 2016 05:27 PMthey should be castrated alright gay hentai isnt a solution
what a nice thread i feel completely comfortable in :^)
Please ignore shitposters.
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Quote from: rtil on January 9, 2016 11:40 AM
for the record i was talking about pedophiles not ephebophiles
what i meant by bringing it up was that communities like reddit will go out of their way to sexualize any girl of any age and find a way to justify it as normal/healthy behavior
just want to second that reddit is a big trash heap
what a thread
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why does he look like blu
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Quote from: rtil on January 9, 2016 11:40 AM
for the record i was talking about pedophiles not ephebophiles
what i meant by bringing it up was that communities like reddit will go out of their way to sexualize any girl of any age and find a way to justify it as normal/healthy behavior
just want to second that reddit is a big trash heap
Thirded, and that's coming from someone fairly active on a few subs.
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Quote from: Gladius on January 9, 2016 09:59 PM
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why does he look like blu
Now, now, no need to imply things. We all know blu's not into loli.
[spoiler]He prefers shota.[/spoiler]
blu is a fucking basic bitch normie who likes big boobies
Quote from: zwimmy on January 10, 2016 02:18 AM
blu is a fucking basic bitch normie who likes big boobies
why does knowing this make me respect him more
Quote from: zwimmy on January 10, 2016 02:18 AM
blu is a fucking basic bitch normie who likes big boobies
fox and the grapes
for now you have kizu, but WHO WILL BE NEXT
oh and tomboys i guess
Thread has predictably devolved into shitposting and I am somewhat okay with it.
Allow me to contribute a few of my own.
Ahem.
Pedophilia? More like Pedo feel ya get it honk honk.
Basket has somewhat temporarily returned and your verbose well thought out reign shall end beast
If you think my reign of misery will end just because a challenger appears you better think again baby boy.
I actually liked this topic. I've always kind of had a sympathy for the "mentally ill", wondering how we could help them, rather then think of them as monsters.
I mean honestly, does no one know what it's like to have thoughts you want to change or get rid of but just can't? (probably gonna regret saying this but oh well)
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Quote from: Bamyasi on January 10, 2016 04:29 AM
Thread has predictably devolved into shitposting and I am somewhat okay with it.
Allow me to contribute a few of my own.
Ahem.
Pedophilia? More like Pedo feel ya get it honk honk.
its an internet discussion about the ethics of fucking children idk what you expected
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Quote from: Bamyasi on January 10, 2016 04:29 AM
Thread has predictably devolved into shitposting and I am somewhat okay with it.
Allow me to contribute a few of my own.
Ahem.
Pedophilia? More like Pedo feel ya get it honk honk.
its an internet discussion about the ethics of fucking children idk what you expected
don't you get it though they're just poor misunderstood souls who are oppressed by an unfeeling and uncaring right wing society that blindly hates they're pure yet taboo love
this is why we have to vote for hillary
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