ive been asking around but it's time i get real progress so i will ask some questions copy pasted from a newgrounds journal thing ok
Quoteim looking to get a laptop, but the majority of them sell with vista. if it so happens that i actually buy a vista laptop, is this as bad as i've been hearing? well, now you can answer in a simple survey!
1. Is Windows Vista an acceptable operating software?
2. If so, tell what you like about it. If not, leave this question blank.
3. If not, tell what you dislike about it/think is wrong with it. If you like it, leave THIS question blank.
4. If you said "no" to question 1, can you also let me know if/how it's possible to load a copy of XP onto a Vista laptop? If not, leave THIS question blank.
5. Final question; Is it possible to take an old recovery disk for Windows XP and put it on a reformatted vista laptop and load on Windows XP as the OS? If not/you don't know, leave this question blank.
i want you guys to be serious about this, no shitty jokes attempting to be funny or "i hear u liek vistaz" or any other predictable shit that i spent an hour factoring in and out when i was considering making this post.
- anigen
ok well the 4chan shit doesnt really apply to you guys but i would like some serious answers
vista is certainly acceptable, but XP is superior. ive been using vista for the past couple months on my new computer and i can say for myself if i could i would use XP but im too lazy to install/pirate it.
im not using your shitty format fuck you
eee yeah typing like that really does suck
not worth it at this point
Well some things will not work in Vista,
and if your not sure what your doing then switching to xp will not be a good idea.
I haven't used vista that much but its not horrible. Just very pretty...
(this requires some knowledge of partitioning, which you will need to boot the windows xp cd(you need activation key)
in the laptop,
and then you will have to go through some steps to get xp as your main OS, because it is possible to have
more then 1 OS but you have a risk of ruining your computer)
If its a newer laptop then you may be forced to use Vista because they will not have drivers for it.
my suggestion is dont
Quote from: rtilnot worth it at this point
for sure, wait until a few updates come out for it then use it. maybe the 6th service pack.
90% of all the things out there work for vista already. They've all managed to get it to work on Vista in a pretty short amount of time.
If vista is preinstalled, just leave it on there. It's not worth installing XP on it, it'd just be a waste of time.
psi's input was my favorite
If you are uncertain then just dual boot your computer and see for yourself. i have been using both for plenty of time now, and I would recommend XP over vista. Vista is before its time and I have noticed that some programs do not run very well at all on it at this point. You will also run out of RAM quickly if you have only 1 gig, and use resource hungry programs and multi task. I have never had memory problems due to I have 4 gb of ram in my laptop, but I did notice some services would eat up my cpu that would normally be completely insignificant in XP. Also games that would normally run like butter in XP on my computer, lagged like hell on vista. Vista just needs time for improvement and technological advancement so the performance difference is insignificant.
ok that gives me a pretty accurate read on it, im pretty sure its time to go for XP. now here is my ultimate question
can i take a recovery disk that has XP on it and load it into a 2 gig laptop with vista preinstalled, without duel booting, but just like completely taking vista off? thats what i need to do otherwise i have to go buy shit online which is supreme ga
is it the recovery disk for the computer you are using it on? if it isn't, then no. It preinstalls drivers and programs meant for that particular computer, and it would just be annoying.
yeah, it looks like the recovery disk is a no-go
alright, well, would I be fine using vista on a 2 gig laptop, if my intentions using it are to run programs like Maya, flash, dreamweaver etc, or do you recommend i just go out and buy a pre-installed XP laptop
i would highly recommend not running maya on a vista machine. maya 8.5 already has enough bugs as it is, running it on a fairly new and unstable OS as well would cause lots of problems for you. bottom line is, if you do not need vista, don't get it. to me, it sounds like you do not need it.
my laptop came with vista. all thats changed are that it has swisher desktop icons but i changed them to the xp ones anyway cause they made it slow.
haha, that is not the only thing that has changed. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Forget-abou...oft-58752.shtml (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Forget-about-the-WGA-20-Windows-Vista-Features-and-Services-Harvest-User-Data-for-Microsoft-58752.shtml)
i was too lazy to read all that but ive pretty much decided vista needs to die in a ditchr
get linux yellow dog
because it sounds cool i mean come on "yellow dog" how hardcore is that!!
I need to get vista cause whenever I install sevice pack 2 my internet stops working and I need sp2 for cs3 products!
hahaha queer
says the guy who told someone to get linux
i have never actually tried linux but if they have a distro called "yellow dog" then they must be badass
even though its home-made, shitty, and you cant run anything on it
here yellur yellur yrllur hrurr hrufughfu huv tht good dog yellur
so are you guys saying just to stick with XP, or get vista and wait it out until it's better
also, ssaf, can you customize laptops with newegg
this is probably a stupid question but I haven't really checked and I just want to make sure I can
So, I haven't been here in quite some time, but I'll weigh in with my opinion.
1. Is Windows Vista an acceptable operating software?
2. If so, tell what you like about it. If not, leave this question blank.
3. If not, tell what you dislike about it/think is wrong with it. If you like it, leave THIS question blank.
It functions yes. Does it function well? Depends on the definition of well. Stable? Mostly. Quickly? Absolutely not. Vista is a huge resource hog. On a brand new computer, with a fresh install of vista, on the first boot up approximately 700 megabytes of memory will be taken up (1/3 of total memory for most decent laptops). And this is with nothing installed or running!
I worked tech support for a few weeks at the beginning of this year to help freshmen connect to the university network. I had to work on a brand new Vista machine running on the most recent Intel Core Duo model with 2 GB of memory. It took over a minute for it to start up (this time can be expected to more than double as programs are added to the computer). For contrast, my PC running XP with less memory on a slower processor starts up in 40 seconds or so (and shuts down in about a fourth of that). Regular usage of the computer (opening and closing programs, changing settings) was painfully slow (several second pause to do even basic things).
Vista also has the side affect of making a computer more expensive. Since it is so resource intensive, to get an experience commensurate with that of XP the hardware needs to be beefed up which greatly increases the cost of a new computer. And, Microsoft has it set so that as of January 2008 (next month) retailers are no longer allowed to sell computers with XP loaded on them. So then the bare-minimum, cheapest computer one can buy just became several hundred dollars more expensive.
Vista contains a lot of "features" that don't really do a lot to 'enhance' the user experience other than look pretty. Things are tarted up without adding much genuine additional functionality. Since I worked tech support on these machines I had the "opportunity" to navigate around in control panel. In my opinion, the control panel has been obfuscated. It is more difficult to find the proper settings. There are two different "views" for Control Panel, and for whatever reason when I was in one I could get to menus and programs that were not accessible from the other, and vise versa (and believe me, I looked for them exhaustively). I had to constantly switch views to find what I was looking for.
There is also the issue where it is harder to do a recovery in Vista. In XP, if core system files become corrupted (such as the SAM file, ntoskrnl.sys, the registry hive, etc.) such that the computer won't even start, one can boot from a live CD and simply copy the files from the system restore to the proper place and get things moving again. While in Vista a restore point is a single giant file and it is not possible to select particular files that you want to replace. So if there is some problem with the restore point, it may be completely impossible to do a restore (this happened to me while working on a Vista machine).
There is the additional issue of a lot of untested code, specifically the reimplemented TCP/IP stack (logical "layers" that manage communications between computers on a network [e.g. Internet]). The TCP/IP stack in XP has been beaten up, broken, and fixed for 6 years now. The code has become reliable and secure. But for Vista, Microsoft completely rewrote the stack and now there is all of this new code that hasn't been subjected to the same rigours that the stack in XP has. Though, admittedly, with the new software development cycle Microsoft is using, the stack they turned out is of higher quality than XP's originally was.
I won't even get into the ridiculous amounts of "Digital Rights Management" code they have built into the deepest levels of the kernel (main program that manages the hardware). Not to mention the absurd provisions in the license agreement [It says, in obscure legalese, that Microsoft reserves the right to see what you have on your computer and delete anything it thinks shouldn't be there. No joke.] I'll just point the curious to this (rather lengthy) article written by Peter Gutmann, a security researcher from Auckland, New Zealand.
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html (http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html)
4. If you said "no" to question 1, can you also let me know if/how it's possible to load a copy of XP onto a Vista laptop? If not, leave THIS question blank.
Of course it is. You can load any operating system you want. Any computer you can buy is "universal" in that it can run any program you can possibly conceive. And since an operating system is a giant program, any computer you can buy can run any operating system. In the strictest sense, this isn't true since one needs to make sure the operating system supports the hardware. Unless you're buying specialized hardware from Sun, IBM, or HP, most any computer you buy at a commercial retailer will be based on the x86 architecture and EVERY operating system supports that hardware. [As an aside, the x86 architecture was originally created by Intel but AMD has a functionally equivalent hardware architecture (to the best of my knowledge).] Since Apple made the switch from Motorolla chips to Intel chips you can lost XP (or even Vista!) on a Mac. So, given a laptop purchased in the usual sense (i.e. from a store) you can load Windows NT, 2000, XP, Vista, OS X (Jaguar or Leopard), any distrobution of Linux, any version of BSD Unix, and a few more.
To install an operating system to a computer you simply need an install disk. If you don't care about losing the data currently on the laptop, it is simplest to just wipe the disk when you install the operating system (this will be on of the steps) and install the operating system by itself (i.e. not dual boot).
5. Final question; Is it possible to take an old recovery disk for Windows XP and put it on a reformatted vista laptop and load on Windows XP as the OS? If not/you don't know, leave this question blank.
No. The recovery disk loads drivers specific to computer it originally came with. If you use it in a new computer the disk may even refuse to run after running some cursory checks to see if the current computer is "the same" as the one it is supposed to be linked with. If it does load the OS, then it is quite possible that a lot of things won't work, in which case you'd have to begin the arduous task of locating the malfunctioning drivers and replacing them with the proper ones (assuming it even boots!).
Over all, my recommendation would be to stick with XP over Vista. Everything runs on it (compatibility is almost never an issue) and it runs much quicker than Vista does. If possible, I would recommend switching to a Mac (though, those are developing their own issues security-wise) or Linux. The initial switch to Linux can be quite difficult, but using things typincally more foreign than difficult. Navigating around isn't too difficult. But getting some things to work properly (even when following the instructions!) can be a royal pain. As far as Linux has come, it still has a ways to go before being quite easy to use.
i kinda bought it a week ago lmao
sorry to make ya type all that dude
Nah, I don't mind typing all that out. Gives me a chance to sort out things in my head ('til now my anti-vista facts were mostly ad-hoc and disorganized). And now you have a whole slew of reasons as to why a person shouldn't use Vista. Which can be quite useful in dealing with the Vista-fanboys (they are ever so irritating).