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first full show by Studio Trigger (Little Witch Academia, Inferno Cop) announced, a new Hiroyuki Imaishi series called Kill La Kill (or Killer Kill).

QuoteDirector: Hiroyuki Imaishi
Series Composition/Script: Kazuki Nakashima
Character Design: Sushio
Animation Production: Trigger

It's a 2-cours battle action show set in an all girls high school. The main characters are Ryuuko Matoi and Satsuki Kiryuuin. Satsuki is a transfer student who carries a one handed longsword and believes that might makes right. She attempts to subjugate the school body using her strength. Ryuuko is the one who stands in her way, and seems to be driven by revenge.

Originally the plan was to make a pure battle manga sort of series set in a highschool, with the main character beating rival after rival in combat. After Nakashima compled about 4 episodes worth of scripts, Imaishi probably got bored of it because he decided to trash everything. The series has apparently since been changed to focus on character drama instead. The rivalry between the two main characters will be a major driving force.

not much on it yet but i will keep my eyes peeled for this for sure

This came out a while ago, but I'm posting it because it's possibly the best teaser ever.

GET HYPE

TRIGGER TVシリーズ 第一弾 特報！ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxKmecYgkuo#ws)

wow i'm amazed i never caught that. that's awesome

more info and art

Quote-Ryuuko and Satsuki are both the protagonists; not one more important than the other.

-It has a huge cast, but Nakashima says that there are no throw-away characters; everyone fits perfectly into the story. There is a lot of character development.

-There ARE male characters; Sushio says that he is getting to draw quite a few handsome dudes.

-The setting is some sort of industrial-age post-apocalyptic Babylon Tower.

-In the setting, uniforms vary based on each person's talents and they give them power accordingly in the right fields. Satsuki wishes to conquer the Academy with her power while Ryuuko stands in her way.

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so it is going to be longer than 4 episodes or not i can't really tell

oh god i was just about to post those scans

so fucking hyped aaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Quote from: rtil on May  8, 2013 09:11 PM
so it is going to be longer than 4 episodes or not i can't really tell

i think it will be, but i'm not sure

official site http://www.kill-la-kill.jp/ (http://www.kill-la-kill.jp/)

Holy shit, this music.

「キルラキル」 TVCM 第1弾 30秒 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7796-c3g4g#ws)

sounds boring, looks terrible

bumping for new vid, also confirmed for fall 2013 I think

キルラキル Kill la Kill CM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FQU_eovRCU#ws)

woah, 3 seconds of animation! interesting style choices on the characters. they look very mad.

god dammit trigger give us a decent preview

NEW TRAILER

CONTAINS SOME ACTUAL ANIMATION

Kill la Kill CM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmV8uwoynE#)

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akko is that you?

I have this gut feeling that Ryoko and Satsuki are eventually going to become allies. If I'm right ya'll owe me a pizza. If I'm wrong, I will commit sudoku.

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"School Uniform"

underboob is all the rage right now

I sense "oh boy you totally didn't need to do that" cosplays in our future

OTP

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the character page (http://www.kill-la-kill.jp/character/) has some new art as well

I feel like there have been a bunch of shows in the past year or so with a character wielding / utilizing scissors in some form.

Quote from: cipher on September 10, 2013 06:43 PM
I feel like there have been a bunch of shows in the past year or so with a character wielding / utilizing scissors in some form.

Huh? You mean the guy with the scalpels?

[HYPE INTENSIFIES]

TVアニメ「キルラキル」最新PV (HD-720p) (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14o2em)

well, crunchyroll says (http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-821305/new-fall-titles-kill-la-kill-magi-kingdom-of-magic-valvrave-the-liberator-season-2) that they are streaming this tonight, but i think it is a typo. it's not premiering in japan until a special showing in tokyo on the 28th, and not even broadcasting until october 4th. we shall see

 
100% Based Trigger

Episode 1 is out.

http://www.animetake.com/kill-la-kill-episode-1/ (http://www.animetake.com/kill-la-kill-episode-1/)

 :what: i should've asked this earlier, but which torrent client are you guys using? cause the one i have isn't working when i try to download episodes.

Quote from: Stu4U on October  4, 2013 01:28 AM
:what: i should've asked this earlier, but which torrent client are you guys using? cause the one i have isn't working when i try to download episodes.

I use utorrent, bruh.

I want to talk about the first episode but I need more time to let it sink in lol

Had trouble posting from my phone but yeah I use uTorrent as well, no complaints.

I don't know if there's anything to sink in for me. I watched the episode and said "Yep, that's exactly what I expected from the TTGL team. Which is to say, nothing that happened was actually expected, apart from the basic plot elements I already knew about."

got it working thanks :D
and holy cow dat episode

delicious animes
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The teacher is [spoiler]coach from Gunbuster.[/spoiler]

not as good as inferno cop but ill keep watching

dis guy tho

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that was the most over the top and ridiculous first episode i've ever seen. approaching flcl levels of insanity already. i love the style of the animation and art, you can tell they're having a lot of fun with it. bring on more episodes!

fav part  :sup: :sup: :sup:
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lol rape!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bunch of screencaps: http://imgur.com/a/SEKI7 (http://imgur.com/a/SEKI7)
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It was hilarious how she was constantly blushing during the first fight.
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Can't wait to see how the boys ruin Christmas this year. Anyone want to take bets or is it too early in the game?

some sick art

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the more "realistic" the art is, the more ridiculous that outfit looks

It's clear that the series is over the top in a funny, parody sort of way, but the jury is still out on whether or not the fan-service is a joke or genuine. I'm okay with it most of the time if it makes me laugh but then you get shit like High School of the Dead where it's just cringe-inducing.

it's both

seems like every time she defeats someone, the outfit gains a piece of thread or something, meaning that it will cover more of her body over time i'm imagining

Is there an ironic way of drawing boobs?

I don't know if ironic is the word I'd use, but if the theory rtil mentioned is true, and her clothing gets less revealing over time then that might be an appropriate term since it's the opposite of what you'd expect (character starts off fully clothed but ends up naked for obligatory shower/hotsprings/no good reason)

The topic of "good" fanservice vs "bad" fanservice is pretty subjective, but here's my take:

Good fanservice:

Yoko boob missiles (funny)
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Bayonetta (ridiculous, cheeky, still powerful)

Bad Fanservice:

High School of the Dead (stupid, excessive, not empowering)
Highschool of the dead best scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNtlMjRqfQs#ws)

Any fanservice in Fairy Tail, especially involving Wendy (sexualizes a 10 year old and/or a female protagonist whose specialty is armor has pointlessly sexy design in combat and/or is viciously beaten and her clothes are ripped to shreds giving the male hero a reason to "get serious"...yeah Idk why I still read this series either)

everything about fairy tail is awful

Quote from: rtil on October  7, 2013 10:19 AM
everything about fairy tail is awful

I need to poke Ryuko's stomach.

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I don't know why but I need to.

I read this post

Quote from: Binary_2 on October  7, 2013 04:44 PM
I need to punch Ryuko's stomach.

And I'm like "Whoa damn Metroid's kinky."

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October  7, 2013 09:57 AM
Good fanservice:

Yoko boob missiles (funny)

Bad Fanservice:

High School of the Dead (stupid, excessive, not empowering)

Umm well shows like Highschool of the Dead, Highschool DxD, etc. aren't really trying to be about anything more than violence and sexy. In the end, I would argue Gurren Lagann is, so it's natural to expect more subtext behind the fanservice. Still, I remember a lot of people thinking even some of the stuff in TTGL was gratuitous (the entire hot springs episode, the beach episode, etc.), even if it was tongue in cheek or whatever.

If you're going to give a feminist critique of one release this year, make it Gravity. Thanks for reminding me to start a thread about that movie. Also I'm not going to defend Fairy Tail so don't worry.

Yeah but thankfully they took out those episodes from the TTGL movies which is what I usually fall back on when I want to show someone the series.

EPISODE 2
http://www.animetake.com/kill-la-kill-episode-2/ (http://www.animetake.com/kill-la-kill-episode-2/)
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TENNIS LA TENNIS

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ryuuko finds herself in a lot of rapey situations
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i don't usually complain about fanservice in anime because as lame (and one-sided) as it usually is, sometimes it really just doesn't matter

but in cases like this where it hurts the character (hey you guys wanted a cool character? fuck that here's a sex object) i really really dislike it. try to imagine faye from cowboy bebop if she was the protagonist and they still sexualized the shit outta her for no reason. that last pic rtil posted is just beyond silly

I was thinking the same thing honestly. I'll admit, I like ecchi and hentai every now and then, but when you're trying to have an action show with a tough heroine, it's stupid to keep writing her as sexually vulnerable all the time. Three implied-rape jokes in two episodes is pushing it, no?

In what way is Ryuuko a sex object? What does her character being tough have to do with the situations she's put in? What specifically makes it fanservice? What if Sushio genuinely likes to draw scantily clad women in racy situations for himself, and just felt like sharing this with you?

Why can't fun things be fun? Seriously you guys are missing all the pretty colors.

on one hand i don't think that any of kill la kill is meant to be taken seriously, and thus ryuuko and her 'sailor' outfit is meant to be an outrageous parody, and by many aspects kill la kill does parody a lot of different animes all at once. even the ED animation is a parody of sailor moon.

on the other hand, i think imaishi just likes tits. but he can be tasteful when he wants to be. little witch academia is a good example.

Quote from: rtil on October 12, 2013 12:58 AM
on one hand i don't think that any of kill la kill is meant to be taken seriously, and thus ryuuko and her 'sailor' outfit is meant to be an outrageous parody, and by many aspects kill la kill does parody a lot of different animes all at once. even the ED animation is a parody of sailor moon.

on the other hand, i think imaishi just likes tits. but he can be tasteful when he wants to be. little witch academia is a good example.

I thought Little Witch Academia was a student project.

You're right though. How seriously can you possibly take a show where school uniforms give people superpowers and the class system is based entirely upon performance in said school (oh wait...)?

Quote from: Pizza Slut™ on October 12, 2013 01:04 AM

Quote from: rtil on October 12, 2013 12:58 AM
on one hand i don't think that any of kill la kill is meant to be taken seriously, and thus ryuuko and her 'sailor' outfit is meant to be an outrageous parody, and by many aspects kill la kill does parody a lot of different animes all at once. even the ED animation is a parody of sailor moon.

on the other hand, i think imaishi just likes tits. but he can be tasteful when he wants to be. little witch academia is a good example.

I thought Little Witch Academia was a student project.

You're right though. How seriously can you possibly take a show where school uniforms give people superpowers and the class system is based entirely upon performance in said school (oh wait...)?

it was, but it was also animated by trigger. but i'm wrong about who directed it, i forgot it wasn't imaishi, it was yoshinari. so nevermind that.. in fact it actually strenthens my argument because he wasn't involved in the designs at all. so there you have it, imaishi loves t&a and crude humor, it's in all of his projects.

Quote from: Pizza Slut™ on October 12, 2013 12:48 AM
In what way is Ryuuko a sex object? What does her character being tough have to do with the situations she's put in? What specifically makes it fanservice? What if Sushio genuinely likes to draw scantily clad women in racy situations for himself, and just felt like sharing this with you?

Why can't fun things be fun? Seriously you guys are missing all the pretty colors.

> In what way is Ryuuko a sex object?

She's not just a sex object, but she is sexually objectified everytime they show her scantily clad and in extremely sexually compromising positions for no real reason. I agree with rtil that it's probably tongue-in-cheek, but it still weakens the character, because it drives the attention away from her thoughts and emotions and from the plot itself. There are ways to joke about sexuality and to parody ecchi tropes that don't flatten what could have been one of those legendary Strong Female Protagonists we're always hearing about.

> What does her character being tough have to do with the situations she's put in?

Doesn't it scare you that they take this really tough, angry-looking character and hang her upside-down with a huge cameltoe+underboob combination and then she shrieks for a while? You know, you asked a very good question. The situations she's being put in have nothing to do with her character. They're just silly disempowerment fantasies.

> What specifically makes it fanservice? What if Sushio genuinely likes to draw scantily clad women in racy situations for himself, and just felt like sharing this with you?

Images carry plenty of ideas and ideologies with them, and 99% of the time these are tailored to a certain target audience by Men With Money who are desperately trying not to lose it. This isn't conspiracy-theory bullshit, it's how things work, and sure there are lots of cases of lenience and "taking risks", but half-naked girls aren't risk, they work. It's not as simple as what the artist "felt like" doing. And by the time the months/years of pitching, planning, raising money and making a show are over, things change. If he drew a scantily clad girl in a racy situation and figured he'd share that with us, by the time it goes through the hands of dozens of professional animators and colorists, yeah, it's become fanservice, regardless of the artist's original (or current) intentions.

While I can't really argue with your last point, let me play devil's advocate here. Let's say a character being thrust into perilous, risque and humiliating situations makes said character stronger and more sympathetic to me. It's like "My Week at Anime School is Getting In The Way of My Quest for Filial Revenge." I disagree that this in any way weakens the character, because I don't believe Ryuuko is entirely constructed by her misfortune or what she is wearing(/not wearing). At least she has desires, which I would already say distinguishes her from a sex object or damsel in distress. Take the film Gravity for example, in which [spoiler]Sandra Bullock is prepared to give up and surrender her life to the titular force before the late George Clooney heroically returns from deep space in the form of a hallucination in order to mansplain to her how and why to save her own life.[/spoiler] I would argue this is a much more frightening display of disempowerment than a bit of fat and flesh exposed for kicks, especially if the latter aligns with the logic/aesthetic of the work in question. We don't really have a stake in what the anime industry produces, but, living in the west, we can definitely demand more from western media, which I would say is often more subtle in it's use of exploitation. Maybe I just have bad taste. Well, not maybe.

Again I agree with your last point, but I would argue an artist's submitting to the audience's idea of political correctness as being just as much "fanservice" as any stylized rendering of anatomy with added rope and train-tracks. There are definitely other anime which more than fit your criteria. I can understand your gripes though. You do a much better job expounding upon them than the Dragon's Crown detractors did a few months ago.

Quote from: rtil on October 12, 2013 01:11 AM
it was, but it was also animated by trigger. but i'm wrong about who directed it, i forgot it wasn't imaishi, it was yoshinari. so nevermind that.. in fact it actually strenthens my argument because he wasn't involved in the designs at all. so there you have it, imaishi loves t&a and crude humor, it's in all of his projects.

Okay I wasn't sure if Imaishi held production credits. I also hadn't realized You also did the character designs damn I guess it was a student project in name only. [spoiler]Just kidding manpower is obviously more highly valued in Japan than it is here.[/spoiler]

I don't really think she overcomes the sexy/racy situations she's put in at all, because we're not talking about conflicts that need to be resolved here, we're talking about the way she falls upside down and hangs in the air with a huge cameltoe and then falls flat on her face or whatever. You know? It's just her tits showing, it's not an obstacle she has to overcome. I see your point with the comparison to Gravity, but like you said, Sandra Bullock's character actually learns from her predicament and overcomes her difficulties. It's stupid that female characters always need a man to help them out, but what we're talking about here with Kill la Kill is even scarier - in my opinion - because it's just a very raw sexual fantasy being played out in front of you; by men, for men. It's an even more chauvinistic trope than having a woman depend on george clooney.

also i didn't read about that dragon's crown shitfest. (thankfully)

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I'm not saying I'm against fanservice, I can have fun and laugh when it's done right, and I get that the whole series is a parody. Mako is a great parody of Yui from K-ON and the Moe genre in general. But Flash has it right, when the vulnerable situations Ryuko's thrown into contribute absolutely nothing to the story or the piece as a whole, it leaves me sitting there and asking why they put them in to begin with (hint: it's probably money, pandering, and the male gaze). It's really not even the character design that bothers me, because we're not even sure if that's how Senketsu will look permanently. Even if it's permanent, I'm willing to let it slide if they empower her through the writing, but so far they haven't.

Out of the three implied rape jokes in these two episodes, one was with a doctor and another was with a teacher. That's supposed to be funny? Men in such positions of power sexually abuse women all the time, it's a serious problem. If they wanted to play Mako's dad as a lech and the professor as some weirdo with a stripping fetish for laughs, they could have done it without Ryuko being vulnerable, in way that didn't have such a rapey feel. I would have found it hilarious, especially the teacher, but as it is I couldn't help being a little weirded out by it.

If I want scantily clad girls in preposterous scenarios that leave them exposed in an absurd way, I'll go and watch Tru-Love-Ru Darkness, because at least I know what I'm getting into. But in an action show where the MC isn't actually an airheaded bimbo, where she's a competent individual who actually has desires like you said, that aren't centered around devoting herself to some guy? I just don't get why they would build her up to be this total badass, but then humiliate her like that. It's almost as if that's the point/joke, that powerful female protagonists will never be more than just tits and ass to stare at (or that they'll never escape being seen that way, depending on how forgiving you're willing to be.)

Dragon's Crown is a little different. Anyone that had bothered playing the games could see that each character represented a different body type and design.  Sure, the witch is incredibly busty and sexual, but the amazon is ripped and muscular, and the archer is small and fully covered in practical hunting gear. Each of them perfectly mirror the male characters, who are handsome/buff, built like a brick shithouse, and slim/svelt respectively. Moreover, even just looking at the rest of the studio's artwork, it's clear that the exaggerated figures and nudity are represented across both genders, and are intended as an homage to fine art and paintings from throughout the ages, the renaissance being a good example.

Quote from: Flash on October 12, 2013 03:46 AM
I don't really think she overcomes the sexy/racy situations she's put in at all, because we're not talking about conflicts that need to be resolved here, we're talking about the way she falls upside down and hangs in the air with a huge cameltoe and then falls flat on her face or whatever. You know? It's just her tits showing, it's not an obstacle she has to overcome.

Maybe I'm just too used to instances like in Japanese media to find them all that distracting. You're right though, in that they don't appear to things to be overcome at this point, but they are tragic situations which I think can effectively build sympathy. Like, would you don embarrassing lingerie which sucks your blood and be ogled at by legions of men (real and drawn) in order to avenge your dead father? Okay, probably not the best rhetoric, but again I'm just playing devil's advocate.

I also disagree that this is made purely by men and for men. People of both sexes/genders can enjoy and appreciate female anatomy (in dominant and submissive positions) just as much as male anatomy (in dominant and submissive positions), especially if the object of appreciation comes in the form of a idealized, yet tragic heroine. The same tropes have been at play for centuries, east and west. They've just mutated to fit 2013 standards of what's sexy and desirable and in a cartoon.

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 12, 2013 04:03 AM
It's almost as if that's the point/joke, that powerful female protagonists will never be more than just tits and ass to stare at (or that they'll never escape being seen that way, depending on how forgiving you're willing to be.)

I think you might be getting at something with the latter. Also again, as devil's advocate, these scenarios may add nothing of value to you, but I consider them effective in developing a sympathetic character. Sexuality may not be an obvious motif in the text directly, but it can certainly be explored in how the text is rendered. And as far as humor, maybe those occurrences are meant to be read as black comedy?

Also, do you recall the very first scene in episode 1 in which the male student is stripped naked and hung upside down as punishment for stealing the Goku Uniform? Keep in mind that, within the text, Ryuuko is not put into sexually degrading situations purely because she is a woman, but because she stands in opposition to the school and it's ideals. See? It happens because of something she does rather than who she is. This already makes her stronger than the lead in Gravity, who doesn't actually do anything. [spoiler]Not even save her male counterpart. It has to be the dead male hero who saves her. Every other life threatening situation she wriggles out of, she does so almost purely by chance. And in the end, she only survives for herself, not to uphold some greater ideal. I know this is a cultural difference but it's still worth mentioning.[/spoiler] Also, not every female character in Kill la Kill is even sexualized. The head chairman Satsuki for instance not so in the slightest, so the sexist logic doesn't carry over to all characters, unlike, in, say, Tu-Love-Ru.

I agree with zwimmy though this is only on the second episode and I think we should really give it more time before writing our theses. Especially since it's Nakashima we're talking about. By the end of one cour this entire discussion might very well seem ridiculous. Maybe everybody just has different turn-ons. Let's hug.

from what i've seen so far its only cute girls in tight outfits with superpowers who kick the asses of bad guys to slowly make their way up  the food chain to kick the asses of slightly tougher bad guys, which is totally rad in my book at least.

cute girls,
and ass kicking.

i feel that calling ryuko a sex object is a bit ridiculous, she's still a young lass who's only begun her journey- any portrayal of her character in a weaker light is most likely a product of the anime's core structure, which, if not obvious- is linear progression. ryuko will beat her way up the ranks, gaining strength and experience, learning how to master her's, senketsu's, and her blade's true power.

if we're gonna complain about anything at this point, let's talk about the deus ex machina of destroying the other player's uniform to win the tennis match

not like it's much to complain about, i just thought it was a bit too easy of a win for her

i dunno if i'd call it deus ex machina... it was a tennis court laced with deadly spikes. clearly it was more than just winning a tennis match, especially considering the school's tennis team beats their players who miss practice with tennis balls to death (although mako seems to miraculously recover from injuries in seconds). what ryuuko did was fair game, and i'd wager that her opponent was trying to do the same thing.

i suppose, it just felt unsatisfying to me.

i have a feeling her opponents will get more challenging as the series goes on. you always start with the small fries

i will patiently wait for the day ryuko fights this darling.
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Ya'll need to settle down.
[spoiler]Don't lose your way.[/spoiler]

Quote from: zwimmy on October 12, 2013 03:59 AM
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obviously gilthwixt

Quote from: basketweaver on October 13, 2013 10:36 PM
thanks 2 the people who are fighting the good fight in this thread

let me just make a comment on this

> Keep in mind that, within the text, Ryuuko is not put into sexually degrading situations purely because she is a woman, but because she stands in opposition to the school and it's ideals. See? It happens because of something she does rather than who she is. This already makes her stronger than the lead in Gravity, who doesn't actually do anything.

Alright this is just complete mental gymnastics and makes no sense. you keep saying over and over again that "oh this sexualization happens for a good reason, so it's okay!!" but that just doesn't make sense. independent of any reason for its occurence, be it building sympathy or whatever, the Kill la Kill sexualization (as of episode 2) is just clearly objectifying to women in a way that would really make any reasonable person feel at best uncomfortable and at worst infuriated. i think the only argument you could make to justify the sexualization would be if the scenes ultimately empower women or inform people about the issue (such as in a documentary that depicts sexual assault for the sake of information) but I really don't see that happening in any of these episodes.

to me, these sexualized scenes are the same as randomly having a person in a movie shout "nigger nigger nigger nigger" to a black person without any good reason. the scenes are completely absurd and arbitrary and the show would lose minimal value by just removing them completely. they serve no good purpose and are honestly offensive. i'm not a feminist and i don't want to start a flame war, but i really don't see how any reasonable person can justify the sexualized shit in this show.

i agree that they are uncomfortable, there have been 3 near rape experiences for ryuuko in 2 episodes, one of them probably would have been a rape if not for mako shooing her father off if ryuuko would have been unable to defend herself. the other two being senketsu forcing ryuuko to wear her , which pretty much played out exactly like a rape, and the glasses manservice teacher who took the liberty of stripping ryuuko while unconscious and incapacitating her so she couldn't get away.

despite these scenes i really enjoy kill la kill. i'm not sure what to take away from ryuuko's sexualization - i can't tell if it's cheap pandering or some kind of warped statement or parody. maybe it's supposed to be funny for all i know. i'm not going to let them get in the way of my enjoyment of the show , but i do agree that kill la kill would be the same or better off without them.

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Quote from: zwimmy on October 12, 2013 03:59 AM
WHO IS THIS GUY?????????????????

obviously gilthwixt

oh my god

It's a goddamn anime, just get the fuck over it. Back in the 90s, a major part of the Japanese shows that aired in my country were built up on violence and tits and many of these shows were part of what made the genre as a whole popular in the west. I'm talking about bullshit like Agent Aika here. These shows barely even had scenes where you couldn't find any kind of sexually suggestive elements.

Why do you watch anime? Why do you have a user picture of an anime character? Even today most animated shows aired in Japan would probably make any feminist go nuts, even though recently the sexual elements in most shows have become a lot tamer than they used to be. This series, however, goes back to the roots of blatant fan service in an almost outrageously over-the-top kind of way, possibly parodying the illustration of female characters in most anime as the other guys have already pointed out.
A second way to see it would be simply to accept the show for what it is and enjoy it as it is.
Dinner's served. It's ass and boobs, so eat up, you little brat!
Every anime has its demographic and this one certainly is not one for those people who can't tolerate a bit of naked skin every now and then.
I personally hate animes which are solely built up on nothing but cheesy, sexually related situations at the expense of female characters. Whenever the protagonist stumbles and his face lands in the crotch or between the breasts of a female character, it ceases to amuse me, which is mainly because it is not executed in a clever way and it feels like a bad joke that is being told for the 1000th time. Just this classical harem bullshit... it gets old so damn fast...
However, I don't mind it and it sometimes even amuses me if it's done well and this particular show did manage not to cross the line while still not being built up on shitty stereotypes and bad sex jokes in my opinion. Of course it is something that can be criticized and questioned when you start to take an anime seriously, but honestly, Kill la Kill doesn't really take itself seriously at all so far. Criticizing it for the sexual way in which it depicts its female characters is like criticizing a tragedy for not being funny. It is simply not relevant for this show to maintain female empowerment at all times. Quite the opposite, it might even be more relevant to sexualize characters to appeal to the intended demographic.
Lastly, if all media was politically and ethically correct, many of us would probably go crazy. One cannot simply demand everything to illustrate women in a feministically appropriate way or declare everything that doesn't do so and doesn't have an educational purpose bad. It would work as a kind of personal, subjective criteria for a few individuals, but certainly not for me.

Quote from: zwimmy on October 13, 2013 02:51 AM
Ya'll need to settle down.
[spoiler]Don't lose your way.[/spoiler]

I need this song

Quote from: BluPhoenix on October 13, 2013 10:54 PM

Quote from: zwimmy on October 12, 2013 03:59 AM
WHO IS THIS GUY?????????????????

obviously gilthwixt

<3

I would cosplay him if it didn't require pythons for arms.

Quote from: Kött on October 14, 2013 12:10 AM
However, I don't mind it and it sometimes even amuses me if it's done well and this particular show did manage not to cross the line while still not being built up on shitty stereotypes and bad sex jokes in my opinion.

I disagree, I definitely think the show has crossed the line into "overdone" territory, but again, the line's location is subjective and I'm merely voicing my opinion

Quote from: Kött on October 14, 2013 12:10 AM
One cannot simply demand everything to illustrate women in a feministically appropriate way or declare everything that doesn't do so and doesn't have an educational purpose bad.

It's not that I demand everything to be pro-feminism. All of the fanservice aside, I really do enjoy this show and most of Trigger's work in general, but like with what rtil said, the show isn't gaining anything from rape jokes and overdone fanservice. It would be the same, or arguably better, if those scenes were excluded, so why have them to begin with?

Just because it's anime, because lots of anime is sexual, doesn't mean I'm not allowed to demand something better. I consider animation to be the superior artform, but outsiders and mainstream critics will never see it that way if tits and ass and kids cartoons is all we're going to do, over and over. Trigger has some of the best animators in the industry; Little Witch Academia is a step in the right direction, but it's arguably very safe. With Kill La Kill they have the chance to do something amazing and move the industry forward, but if pandering to the typical otaku is all they're planning, we'll never get out of this supposed "ghetto" we've been in for decades.
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Or maybe I got too hype and set my expectations too high. It's still early, and like everyone's saying, in 20 episodes it's possible this argument will be irrelevant. That doesn't mean I'm not going to point out what I like and don't like along the way.

Quote from: Kött on October 14, 2013 12:10 AM
It's a goddamn anime, just get the fuck over it.

while i can't agree with this, i will agree with this

QuoteKill la Kill doesn't really take itself seriously at all

and that is why i do not take huge issue with it.

but on the point of "it's just anime", i don't buy it. animated media can have the same impact on people as any other type of entertainment, sometimes even more so. it is a medium in which to tell a story, and people take something away from that. kill la kill can be as loose as it wants, but it will still make a statement to a viewer.

Hey let's at least wait until the show is through one cour before critiquing it.

In the meantime let Japanese women speak for themselves. They have different values over there. We are merely voyeurs. In the end our opinions don't matter.

I was only defending (poorly) against what I saw as an essentially biased and westernized criticism of an eastern piece, which could easily be interpreted as... wait for it... yeah imperialism.

i think after watching enough imaishi cartoons, i've concluded that he really just likes t&a. he has a very silly crude sense of humor, and i think re: cutie honey ep 1 and pretty much all of panty and stocking are good examples of this

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[spoiler]Kill la Baby[/spoiler]

Quote from: zwimmy on October 14, 2013 07:47 PM
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where's the other キ at?

fuck off weeaboo

Quote from: zwimmy on October 16, 2013 01:27 AM
fuck off weeaboo

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I hate to beat a dead horse but just want to say one more thing about this because it's been bothering me (not you guys, just that my arguments may have been unclear).

Quote from: basketweaver on October 13, 2013 10:36 PM
i think the only argument you could make to justify the sexualization would be if the scenes ultimately empower women or inform people about the issue

It sounds like you're saying that sexualization should be empowering in all cases. I'm not arguing that it shouldn't. All I'm saying is that when you label a character an "object" (as a rule, subjects act, objects are acted upon), because of something that happened to the character, you privilege that over what the character actually does. I would argue this in itself relegates the character to the status of object.

I couldn't care less what happens to Ryuuko. She'll probably be dead or something in like 6 episodes, knowing Nakashima. I would just rather focus on her actions, because actions shape characters. If said character is put into sexually degrading situations for the sake of style, I'd still rather focus on their actions.

I have no idea why I'm defending this show so much because I probably don't like it half as much as some people in this thread.

I think using object in two different ways was what confused my argument. I meant that labeling a character or person anything (not just object) based on things that happen to them is objectifying. Now I'm are short-circuiting.

I think this entire discussion can be summed up thus:

• The sexualization in this show bothers me because I don't see any narrative importance in it and find it detracts from the story and characterization.
• The sexualization in this show doesn't bother me and I don't think it detracts from the show so here are a bunch of dumb arguments in defense of it.

You're right in that it's there for no apparent reason and because I cannot defend no reason I will now hand it over to Stephen Spinella.

Rubber - No Reason (Opening Scene) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm94Lb2mz4s#ws)
Anyway yeah you're really good at logic and rhetoric. Not that it means much coming from me!

HOLY FUCKING SHIT DAT EPISODE 3

So much revealed... So much fightan... And a little bit of...


[spoiler]3D.[/spoiler]


It bugged some people but it didn't really bother me since everything was so fast. This is Trigger's first TV anime after all, before they got all dat LWA money. Still I'm hoping there's going to be some nice sakuga moments in the future where they dumped a fair bit of the budget into.

[spoilerimg]http://i.imgur.com/HNpzpAd.jpg[/spoilerimg]
:drool:

Well it looks like sexualization as social commentary is going to be a major motif in this show. I hope I'm not the only one who feels stupid for getting their panties in a bunch over it early on.

Quote from: zwimmy on October 17, 2013 10:42 PM
[spoiler]3D.[/spoiler]

Didn't the first two episodes have CGI in them as well or am I mistaken?

Anyway
[spoiler=PREDICTIONS]

• Ryuuko's having to wear the kamui to avenge her father will be made an obvious metaphor for the anime industry having to use fanservice to bankroll their projects.
• The string imagery that frequently appears will become analogous to the spiral energy in TTGL, perhaps representing string theory(?)
• Trigger is going to find a way to once again ruin Christmas as per tradition (PSG finale, Inferno Cop pilot).

[/spoiler]

This episode went a bit better. Trigger may very well be trying to do some incredible commentary on sexualization, but for right now I'm still a little unsure of how successful they'll be.

[spoiler]I will admit something though. Early in the episode, when Satsuki took off her clothes to put on Junketsu, I noticed I wasn't bothered by that part because she was nude, as opposed to naked. Unlike last episode where Ryuko was vulnerable and cornered by her teacher, Satsuki was in control of the situation. She was essentially disrobing to put on what amounts to her battle armor, a source of power, which makes sense. So later, when Ryuko realizes she cannot use Senketsu at full power while being embarrassed by her exposure, I found it hard to call bullshit since it's technically the same concept. It brings me back to the discussion we had earlier: who are we to assume that the sexual nature of Ryuko's costume is meant to pander to a male audience? Women who wear sexy clothes aren't necessarily doing it for male attention, but instead for their own enjoyment, as a source of empowerment, for a sense of control over their own sexuality blah blah blah.

And yet, Ryuko isn't a real person. Despite being written to have her own aspirations and animus, she's still subject to whatever the writer, director and character designer (none of whom are female) have planned for her, which is something I can't separate from the narrative. In the end, when they're still poised to make a lot of money off of merchandising this series, such as by selling figurines, it still feels like Ryuko is just another sexy marionette made by men, for men. They didn't have to design her that way, and the characters outright saying "I'm sexy because it's empowering" doesn't necessarily make it okay because it's still Imaishi et al speaking. Only time will tell if they manage to do this parody/commentary of theirs successfully. Who knows, by the end of the series I might end up calling them geniuses.

Anyway, some things I'd like to point out:

-They're still slipping in some unnecessary bits, such as Ryuko slumped over with her ass in the air, but that was before her "awakening", so that could be intentional. Other parts, such as the teacher coming onto Ryuko, came off better this time because she was more in control.

-Mako was crazy ridiculous this episode. Like holy shit.

-This series will inevitably be compared to Sailor Moon, which was written by a female author and has been debated as a feminist work, and if I'm not mistaken pioneered the whole sexy nude transformation sequence.

-This series probably passes or will pass the Bechdel test but does that really mean anything?

-Despite being opposed to one another, Ryuko and Satsuki are similar in that the Kamui represent an obligation to their fathers: Ryuko wears hers to avenge her father and Satsuki I'm guessing was supposed to wear hers in an arranged marriage for her Father's benefit. Patriarchy could be an important theme for the series and based on what we've seen it's possible (probable?) that the two will eventually team up to fight some ridiculous villain in some sort of overblown metaphor for defeating patriarchy, but who knows.
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Quote from: basketweaver on October 18, 2013 03:33 AM
i regret nothing

i've also yet to watch this episode but everyone tells me it's ass

It's the best episode so far, by far. A lot of things unfold and the action is very intense.

Quote from: basketweaver on October 18, 2013 03:33 AM
i've also yet to watch this episode but everyone tells me it's ass

If by ass you mean asstounding, then yes.

[spoiler=A lot of fucking words ahead, beware.]

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 18, 2013 02:41 AM
This episode went a bit better. Trigger may very well be trying to do some incredible commentary on sexualization, but for right now I'm still a little unsure of how successful they'll be.

Give them a chance. As SeannyJ pointed out, Satsuki calling her subjects "pigs" for ogling could be analogous to the audience's fixation on Ryuuko's body and/or the sexualization in the show, in which case we are the pigs, which is pretty fucking meta yo. There's definitely some subtext going on here (using ones body to control vs. be controlled, outfit designed based on father's "tastes"/worn by daughter for vengeance, etc). All will become clear in time, but before that it will probably become less clear, given the studio in question's history.

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 18, 2013 02:41 AM
Women who wear sexy clothes aren't necessarily doing it for male attention, but instead for their own enjoyment, as a source of empowerment, for a sense of control over their own sexuality blah blah blah.

There's no need to blah, you have a valid point, one I sense will become central to the show's themes.

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 18, 2013 02:41 AM
In the end, when they're still poised to make a lot of money off of merchandising this series, such as by selling figurines, it still feels like Ryuko is just another sexy marionette made by men, for men.

Are women not allowed to enjoy miniature plastic renderings of sexy/sexualized females as well? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ_AUPNuA_Y)

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 18, 2013 02:41 AM
They didn't have to design her that way, and the characters outright saying "I'm sexy because it's empowering" doesn't necessarily make it okay because it's still Imaishi et al speaking.

Eh well, sexy is subjective. A lot of people dislike Ryuuko because she's oversexualized. It's almost as if someone was planning on this becoming a polarizing factor...

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 18, 2013 02:41 AM
Patriarchy could be an important theme for the series and based on what we've seen it's possible (probable?) that the two will eventually team up to fight some ridiculous villain in some sort of overblown metaphor for defeating patriarchy, but who knows.

I think I finally understand where you're coming from now. I didn't immediately recognize that your problems with the sexualization in the show were mainly political, so it was my mistake for defending it based purely on aesthetics. I guess we differ in that, if everything else in a work is passable (style, writing, technical prowess, etc.), I don't really care about politics. Sure, all art is political, but if you want an example of why judging art based solely on politics is bad, watch the Oscars.

But yeah feel free to judge it however you want. My only concern with political critiques of works from other countries is that the foreign critic has to assume so much, and some of these assumptions may be based on cultural biases or preconceptions. This is of course also true for aesthetic critiques, but at least you have some wiggle room there.

I hope we understand each other better. Thank you for joining me on this journey of self discovery. Hugs all around.

[spoiler=Disclaimer (pfftyeah)]Feel free to rip apart anything I've said here but I can't guarantee I'll respond. I've fuddled up this thread enough already and I don't want to continue ruining it for everyone else.[/spoiler]
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Quote from: Shota_Killer on October 18, 2013 06:05 AM

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 18, 2013 02:41 AM
In the end, when they're still poised to make a lot of money off of merchandising this series, such as by selling figurines, it still feels like Ryuko is just another sexy marionette made by men, for men.

Are women not allowed to enjoy miniature plastic renderings of sexy/sexualized females as well? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ_AUPNuA_Y)

^^^^^^
that me

iinnkk is DizzyAngelDemon. You heard it here first.

[spoiler=Not really relevant BUT]

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 18, 2013 02:41 AM
And yet, Ryuko isn't a real person. Despite being written to have her own aspirations and animus, she's still subject to whatever the writer, director and character designer (none of whom are female) have planned for her, which is something I can't separate from the narrative.

Episode 2 was actually storyboarded by a female (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=25379), but I didn't really think that mattered.
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Quote from: Shota_Killer on October 18, 2013 06:05 AMFeel free to rip apart anything I've said here but I can't guarantee I'll respond. I've fuddled up this thread enough already and I don't want to continue ruining it for everyone else.

It's fine by me, I think this sort of discussion is healthy. I mean yeah I'd like to discuss predictions for the plot but we're sort of doing that already. And if we're right and this series is being intentionally polarizing, then it'd be a disservice not to talk about this way. I don't think we were meant to just passively enjoy this series (even if some of you are, which is fine), so unless someone else has a serious problem with the discussion I'm fine continuing it within spoilertags so no one's forced to read it.

[spoiler]

Quote from: Shota_Killer on October 18, 2013 06:05 AM
Are women not allowed to enjoy miniature plastic renderings of sexy/sexualized females as well? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ_AUPNuA_Y)

I would say women like her are the exception to the rule, wouldn't you? And if we're going to give Imaishi's team some leeway given the context that he's a Japanese creator making something for a Japanese audience, how much of the intended demographic is female? How many female otaku are there that buy sexy figma? (no really, I actually don't know. If it's more prevalent than I thought then okay, point taken)

Quote from: Shota_Killer on October 18, 2013 06:05 AM
I think I finally understand where you're coming from now. I didn't immediately recognize that your problems with the sexualization in the show were mainly political, so it was my mistake for defending it based purely on aesthetics. I guess we differ in that, if everything else in a work is passable (style, writing, technical prowess, etc.), I don't really care about politics. Sure, all art is political, but if you want an example of why judging art based solely on politics is bad, watch the Oscars.

Well, I didn't really mean to drag politics into it but in today's world of social media I find it hard to separate my political standards from my entertainment standards. I have a lot of LGBT friends, a lot of female professors, and a lot of friends both male and female that are always posting or talking about these kinds of issues, to the point where it's starting to frame the way I view things. That's the point though, isn't it? Awareness. I'm not social justice tumblr bad, but with a show like Kill La Kill it's hard not to want to think about it this way, and like you said that could very well be the intention. Let's be serious here though, the politics of feminism in art and the circlejerk that is The Oscars are two very different kinds of politics. One is hoping to see a variety of strong portrayals of women, and the other is a Hollywood orgy.

Another thing that I think is important to mention is that I have no problem with other works being sexualized; I'm not about eradicating everything that doesn't adhere to some ill-defined standard off the face of the earth. They're not for me but they have their audiences, so whatever. I avoid them and don't go jumping down anyone's throats for liking them. It's just that, even coming from the guy who did Dead Leaves and TTGL, I didn't think Kill La Kill would turn out like this. This isn't what I had expected when the first trailers and character designs came out, but now that I'm invested, it's hard to back out. I like this show since everything else about it is awesome, but if something sticks out to me as stupid I'm going to call it out. A lot of places online had played up (and even still claim) that this show was going to "save" anime, whatever that means to you; whatever "that" is, it isn't this.

Like you said though the polarization seems intentional so I'm easing up for now.

Quote from: Shota_Killer on October 18, 2013 06:05 AMBut yeah feel free to judge it however you want. My only concern with political critiques of works from other countries is that the foreign critic has to assume so much, and some of these assumptions may be based on cultural biases or preconceptions. This is of course also true for aesthetic critiques, but at least you have some wiggle room there.

Fair enough, but we live in a globalized society. It's hard for political issues and stories not to bleed over from one country to the next, and it's not like Japan is China or Iran. I find it hard to believe that Imaishi's team didn't have a western perspective in mind, considering how LWA drew a lot of funding from their western kickstarter, and how recently other japanese designers have had to address criticism by the west for their portrayal of women before, such as Team Ninja or Vanillaware. So again, this probably plays more into the whole "just as planned", intentional commentary thing.

Quote from: Shota_Killer on October 18, 2013 06:59 AM
Episode 2 was actually storyboarded by a female (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=25379), but I didn't really think that mattered.

I wasn't aware of that. It doesn't really matter, but it's something. I give Bayonetta a pass partially because her character designer is female, but mostly because of the tone and execution, which until this episode wasn't there yet with Kill La Kill.

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I'm glad we're framing this discussion politically. Now that I understand the grounds of complaint, I can respond to some points I wasn't able to previously. Given this will be easier with the third episode having aired, but I think you guys deserve your points to be adequately addressed, because I didn't really understand or acknowledge them the first time.

[spoiler=A fucking essay]
First, I'll restate my original point so I can better explain why I made it:

• Ryuuko's character is not and should not be weakened by the sexually objectifying situations she's put in. If she is, it's the fault of the viewer, not the piece.

I hate to use Flash as example because he appears to have ducked out of the conversation and probably won't defend his arguements:

Quote from: Flash on October 12, 2013 01:49 AM
I agree with rtil that it's probably tongue-in-cheek, but it still weakens the character, because it drives the attention away from her thoughts and emotions and from the plot itself.

No instance of sexualization in this show I believe has driven attention away from Ryuuko's thoughts or emotions. It was apparent she did not want to wear the kamui at first encounter, or to be seen fighting in it. Every instance of her being publicly humiliated was accentuated by her flushed cheeks and the masses of men (and Mako) gawking at her (Basically representing the proletariat, easily influenced subjugated in the face of sexual imagery, though this was not as apparent before episode 3). Sure, embarrassment and shame can be just as sexually arousing as the exposed flesh that elicits them, but so can anything, really. I would argue that any distraction Ryuuko's sexualization causes, any weakening of her character, is due to some notion that bared midriffs and sexual vulnerability should always take narrative precedence over what the character is doing or feeling.

Quote from: Flash on October 12, 2013 01:49 AM
Doesn't it scare you that they take this really tough, angry-looking character and hang her upside-down with a huge cameltoe+underboob combination and then she shrieks for a while?

I guess for some people, Ryuuko's peril in the face of the crowds, teacher and fat man made her less sympathetic, but it had the opposite effect on me. It made her seem vulnerable, and I believe vulnerabilities are essential to writing strong characters, no matter what they are or how they're illustrated (I mean, how many people actually identified with Mako's dad, the rapist teacher, or the horny kids, even if each represented a different facet of the audience? Perhaps this is the point?). From a political standpoint, yes, I would argue any kind of vulnerableness is better than an infantilized female character with plot armor so thick that nothing bad can ever happen to her, or whose vulnerability or weakness is perfectly compensated by the man she relies on (see: Gravity for examples of both). THIS IS A LIE. Nobody can compensate for your weaknesses, not any man, especially not George Clooney. At least sexual fantasies aren't lies, and can actually make people vulnerable.

Quote from: Flash on October 12, 2013 03:46 AM
I don't really think she overcomes the sexy/racy situations she's put in at all, because we're not talking about conflicts that need to be resolved here, we're talking about the way she falls upside down and hangs in the air with a huge cameltoe and then falls flat on her face or whatever. You know? It's just her tits showing, it's not an obstacle she has to overcome.

I would argue falling down is always an obstacle to overcome, especially if it's humiliating. Differentiating this from a regular obstacle just because it's sexy or sexualized is just further proof that bared flesh and skyward asses are obscuring your objectivity.

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 12, 2013 04:03 AM
Out of the three implied rape jokes in these two episodes, one was with a doctor and another was with a teacher. That's supposed to be funny? Men in such positions of power sexually abuse women all the time, it's a serious problem. If they wanted to play Mako's dad as a lech and the professor as some weirdo with a stripping fetish for laughs, they could have done it without Ryuko being vulnerable, in way that didn't have such a rapey feel. I would have found it hilarious, especially the teacher, but as it is I couldn't help being a little weirded out by it.

Perhaps these instances were supposed to make you feel uncomfortable? I just think it's a little extreme to say that a work of fiction is not allowed to depict taboo scenarios just because they conjure up anxiety. In my opinion, framing serious social issues comically can make the message even more powerful. If the mood shifted dramatically every time Ryuuko was put into sexual danger, the show would become absurd in an entirely different way. Ryuuko just lives in a world where lower class citizens are frequently disciplined through sexual humiliation, by each other or the upper-class (and this isn't far off. Think of how much the NSA and the other PTB know about your taste in porn/how society's fixation on sex is being used against us for the purpose of our own subjugation). If this was exclusive to female characters, I could definitely see why it would be a problem, but it's not, so it never bothered me.

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 12, 2013 04:03 AM
But in an action show where the MC isn't actually an airheaded bimbo, where she's a competent individual who actually has desires like you said, that aren't centered around devoting herself to some guy? I just don't get why they would build her up to be this total badass, but then humiliate her like that. It's almost as if that's the point/joke, that powerful female protagonists will never be more than just tits and ass to stare at (or that they'll never escape being seen that way, depending on how forgiving you're willing to be.)

I don't want to mince words, but it sounds like your saying here that a bimbo would be more deserving of the humiliation Ryuuko is subject to, but I know that's not what you mean. Again I think you're really close to something with the second point, and I sense this will become a major theme in the show.

Quote from: basketweaver on October 13, 2013 10:36 PM
independent of any reason for its occurence, be it building sympathy or whatever, the Kill la Kill sexualization (as of episode 2) is just clearly objectifying to women in a way that would really make any reasonable person feel at best uncomfortable and at worst infuriated.

In what way is the sexualization in Kill la Kill (even as of episode 2) objectifying to women? It's objectifying to Ryuuko, sure, but how did Ryuuko become a synecdoche for all women? Is it because she's the main character? Would you ever say a male main character represented all men? Are the men ogling at her and trying to rape her not just as objectified as she? Are men good for nothing more than lusting over women? There are so many gawkers, surely they must represent more men than Ryuuko represents women.

Quote from: basketweaver on October 17, 2013 02:56 AM
What I'm saying is that Ryuuko is objectified because she's blatantly treated as a sexual body without regard to her actual feelings over and over again in the show, beyond the point of any reasonable story-telling purpose.

What I'm saying is that this objectification only occurs to a Western audience because of how specifically sex has been made taboo here. You wouldn't say Ryuuko was objectified if she was forced to, I don't know, eat 40 cakes or something, even if it was without regard to her actual feelings (please don't think I'm conflating cake stuffing with rape. Ryuuko was never raped in the first 3 episodes of Kill la Kill, so it's insensitive to even make that a point of discussion. I'm comparing cake stuffing with sexualization, nothing else). You would probably see it as tragic. Given, consumption of cake can be highly sexual, but that wouldn't occur to most people who don't have stuffing fetishes.

Quote from: basketweaver on October 17, 2013 02:56 AM
Moreover, what are people's personalities if not the result of the external occurences that shape them? You can't isolate someone's personality from his or her environment, so why is treating a person as "an object of action" such a bad thing anyways? Aren't we all objects of actions?

Yes

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 18, 2013 09:08 AM
I would say women like her are the exception to the rule, wouldn't you? And if we're going to give Imaishi's team some leeway given the context that he's a Japanese creator making something for a Japanese audience, how much of the intended demographic is female? How many female otaku are there that buy sexy figma? (no really, I actually don't know. If it's more prevalent than I thought then okay, point taken)

I have no idea how much of the target demo is female. I just think saying "by gynephiles, for gynephiles" would be more accurate (not that anyone uses that term).

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 18, 2013 09:08 AM
Let's be serious here though, the politics of feminism in art and the circlejerk that is The Oscars are two very different kinds of politics. One is hoping to see a variety of strong portrayals of women, and the other is a Hollywood orgy.

Well you're right about the orgy, but I would argue both have their own agenda and set limitations on what art may and may not do. My original argument was the Ryuuko is a strong female character and how much skin she is showing or what happens to her should never, ever change that fact. I'm all in favor of strong portrayals of women, because I'm first and foremost for strong portrayals of people. It seems like the feminist agenda is to only allow women to be portrayed in a certain light (as equal to men). To achieve this, female characters in the West are typically masculinized, because strength is seen as an exclusively male attribute, but feminine characters of both sexes can also be strong. I define strong as believable, which usually involves said character having desires. Feminists saying women can't be or have to be portrayed a certain way I see as no better than Patriarchs saying the same thing. They're both equally oppressive, I would argue, especially if it's another country's industry or culture in question.

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 18, 2013 09:08 AM
It's just that, even coming from the guy who did Dead Leaves and TTGL, I didn't think Kill La Kill would turn out like this. This isn't what I had expected when the first trailers and character designs came out, but now that I'm invested, it's hard to back out. I like this show since everything else about it is awesome, but if something sticks out to me as stupid I'm going to call it out. A lot of places online had played up (and even still claim) that this show was going to "save" anime, whatever that means to you; whatever "that" is, it isn't this.

I guess that's another difference between us. I wasn't very hyped at all for Kill la Kill because I found Trigger's other two projects pretty disappointing. Even a talented director and amazing writer didn't stir much excitement. I went in with pretty much no preconceptions, so perhaps that's another reason I didn't notice the stuff that annoyed you. It's your right to criticize stuff that bothered you (it was probably meant to incite that reaction), and I hope this whole workout helped us both enjoy the show more, because it certainly made me watch it more closely. Also anyone who claims anime needs "saving" should take off the rose-tinted nostalgia goggles. A huge portion of my favorite shows were animated in the 80's and 90's, but so much stuff is being made now I have trouble believing that anyone wouldn't find at least one show this season that didn't strike their fancy. Given, the anime industry's level of output makes it a huge, career wrecking investment to keep up with even most of the shows, so I guess that could be part of the complaint.

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 18, 2013 09:08 AM
Fair enough, but we live in a globalized society. It's hard for political issues and stories not to bleed over from one country to the next, and it's not like Japan is China or Iran. I find it hard to believe that Imaishi's team didn't have a western perspective in mind, considering how LWA drew a lot of funding from their western kickstarter, and how recently other japanese designers have had to address criticism by the west for their portrayal of women before, such as Team Ninja or Vanillaware. So again, this probably plays more into the whole "just as planned", intentional commentary thing.

Imaishi certainly did have us in mind when making this. That's exactly why I think it's so important to remain sensitive to cultural differences in our criticism. I guess we differ in that I would rather see Kill la Kill as a self-contained dream within a dream from a country that is entirely inaccessible to me. This feeling of alienation from the source is to me just as beautiful and relevant in a Globalized society as say a poem by Baudelaire. In fact, I crave it.[/spoiler]

it feels like the show's not even really going to start until ep4

i'd say that trend is fairly par the course

fair enough

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Something that's been bothering me since Episode 1: If Ryuko grew up with her dad nearby why is she completely unfamiliar with the town and the school? Did it really spring up in the time since she left? And for that matter if he died and she went chasing after the assassin how did he make Senketsu? Did it already exist at that point?

It doesn't add up and I suspect mindfuckery is involved.

Quote from: Gilthwixt on October 25, 2013 12:48 AM
Something that's been bothering me since Episode 1: If Ryuko grew up with her dad nearby why is she completely unfamiliar with the town and the school? Did it really spring up in the time since she left? And for that matter if he died and she went chasing after the assassin how did he make Senketsu? Did it already exist at that point?

It doesn't add up and I suspect mindfuckery is involved.

Ryuko and her dad lived in another town. She came to Honnouji Academy looking for leads about his murder. If you look at the flashbacks, it appears that her father was killed not too long before the series started, so Senketsu would have already been made.



Now for episode 4. I thought it was pretty fun. Reminded me a lot of the episode "Death Race 2010" from Panty & Stocking, which I enjoyed a lot. You can't deny it's a filler episode, though. Next one looks really interesting, looks like we're finally gonna find out who that red mohawk guy is.

Quote from: ekawa on October 21, 2013 09:20 PM
it feels like the show's not even really going to start until ep4

i have bad news for you

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Quote from: Stu4U on October 12, 2013 06:08 AMcute girls,
and ass kicking.

still all i see

can i just say i think it's hilarious that they still allow ryuko to attend the academy even though she's killed 2 of their 2-star officers

Quote from: systech on October 26, 2013 08:46 AM
can i just say i think it's hilarious that they still allow ryuko to attend the academy even though she's killed 2 of their 2-star officers

I don't think they're dead, you'll probably see them in the background somewhere. Boxing kid maybe, but Tennis girl definitely seemed alive by the end of that fight (unless the entire school enjoys staring at naked dead chicks).

Edit: Just checked and Satsuki demoted her to a no-star after she was defeated which would be pretty redundant if she were dead.

I think what's weirder is how incredibly serious everyone takes expulsion from a school that is quite comfortable killing its students, to the point that they would risk their lives in some crazy deadman wonderland game to stay.

Quote from: iinnkk on October 25, 2013 02:03 AM

Quote from: ekawa on October 21, 2013 09:20 PM
it feels like the show's not even really going to start until ep4

i have bad news for you

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not what i meant but ok

anyway, ep4 was pretty amazing. i'm excited to see how over the top this show can get.

eh.. i mean i can kinda see that but i'm afraid that some people are reading too much into it (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory) because it's trigger. people like to pretend that gurren lagann had some extremely deep and intricate plot, but it was mostly absurdity and parody, with a few hints of thoughtfulness to give it a purpose. it can be enjoyed for its simplicity, and doesn't need to be complicated to make it a masterpiece (i don't think gurren lagann is a masterpiece, but i know many people do) - and it's not.

kill la kill is the same way. i've read a couple "theories" about plays on japanese words and the meanings behind the outfits and everything, and yeah, it can be seen that way. but KLK is, at its core, a revenge story. ryuuko is already "grown up", she already knows all men are pigs, and she got over the fact she had to [spoiler]strip completely naked to activate the true power of senketsu[/spoiler] pretty quickly.

i think that the senketsu do reflect ryuuko and satsuki's characters pretty well based on how they react to their appearance, but i would be wary to read into it more than that.

also the ED and some elements of the show are inspired by sukeban deka live action drama

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Quote from: rtil on October 29, 2013 07:14 AM
eh.. i mean i can kinda see that but i'm afraid that some people are reading too much into it (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory) because it's trigger. people like to pretend that gurren lagann had some extremely deep and intricate plot, but it was mostly absurdity and parody, with a few hints of thoughtfulness to give it a purpose. it can be enjoyed for its simplicity, and doesn't need to be complicated to make it a masterpiece (i don't think gurren lagann is a masterpiece, but i know many people do) - and it's not.

kill la kill is the same way. i've read a couple "theories" about plays on japanese words and the meanings behind the outfits and everything, and yeah, it can be seen that way. but KLK is, at its core, a revenge story. ryuuko is already "grown up", she already knows all men are pigs, and she got over the fact she had to [spoiler]strip completely naked to activate the true power of senketsu[/spoiler] pretty quickly.

i think that the senketsu do reflect ryuuko and satsuki's characters pretty well based on how they react to their appearance, but i would be wary to read into it more than that.

rtil I see where you're coming from and I agree for the most part, but if people have a gut reaction to something I think it's important to at least leave room for discussing why. Yeah, Kill la Kill is a parody but that alone shouldn't trump any further discussion. In fact, if a piece isn't trying to assault the viewer with some super serious prefabricated political agenda, I'm personally more likely to engage with and defend it. X = Y symbolist interpretations are usually dumb, but the person who made that image was probably just trying to help people who always fall for that stuff enjoy the show. It's not a bad call either, as a lot of Gainax's previous shows illustrated puberty by similar thematic means.

I think in a cross-cultural global market like the one we have here, you can pretty much throw authorial intent out the window, because too many assumptions have to be made otherwise. In the likelihood that it was Imaishi and the gang's intention to troll everyone who takes more than a passive interest in this show, I'm only too happy to oblige *smacks lips*. To me, this is more rewarding than discussing real world issues where everyone already has their mind made up, to whom it is only a matter of screaming louder than the other person. I'd rather talk about that stuff indirectly, using a medium like Kill la Kill! I completely agree that art can and should be appreciated on a sensual and emotional level. Any discussion I'd ever want to have is only means of returning to that uncomplicated bliss.

[spoiler]Also yes this show is totally going to be TTGL with estrogen and S&M in lieu of drilldicks. [spoiler]Also lasse and stusader both have KPP avatars how is this acceptable.[/spoiler][/spoiler]

i definitely understand where they're coming from, but the infographic itself speaks on a matter of authority, claiming to know the writers' intent and the purpose of the show. i'm not attempting to shut down discussion of it i'm just giving my own point of view. to come to the far fetched conclusion that kill la kill is about the societal pressures of a young female growing up is just like anything else - a matter of opinion. there are only a few things we know for sure, and that's definitely not one of them.

if it convinces more people to watch the show, that's great. but it's inherently misleading, because kill la kill isn't about that in even a figurative way.

Completely agree with you there. Any authoritative interpretations, especially regarding symbolism, are indeed misleading, especially before a show is even halfway through. I guess that's the thing I was trying to get at that you then phrased much more clearly. I think this show being so controversial has just facilitated a breeding ground for people who claim to have answers. Even so, I've found the discussion in this thread very rewarding and thought-provoking and was worried you might ban everyone involved.

Sorry if I came off as reactionary. This show gets my panties in a twist. I hope you can still love someone with twisted panties.

Quote from: Shota_Killer on October 29, 2013 11:57 AM
Completely agree with you there. Any authoritative interpretations, especially regarding symbolism, are indeed misleading, especially before a show is even halfway through. I guess that's the thing I was trying to get at that you then phrased much more clearly. I think this show being so controversial has just facilitated a breeding ground for people who claim to have answers. Even so, I've found the discussion in this thread very rewarding and thought-provoking and was worried you might ban everyone involved.

Sorry if I came off as reactionary. This show gets my panties in a twist. I hope you can still love someone with twisted panties.

you know my love for you is eternal and unconditional, bam  :slut:

Quote from: Stu4U on October 12, 2013 11:22 PM
i will patiently wait for the day ryuuko fights this darling.
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looks like next episode based on the pv

Quote from: Flee on October 29, 2013 06:58 AM
http://i.imgur.com/DpG1VIk.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/DpG1VIk.jpg) Relevant to the argument that was going on earlier.

Like rtil and bam said, I think it's hard to say this is definitively what the series is about. We might have jumped the gun when we said it was incredibly objectifying and sexualized, and I think this does the opposite in coming to its defense. We're still only 4 episodes in so at this point I'd rather wait until the series is over before I draw any conclusions.

As an infographic it's also really hard to follow, and I think if it was going to make these kinds of points it should have quoted actual dialogue from the show, like Satsuki lines from episode 3.

HOLY SHIT IS IT THURSDAY YET

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So did anyone else watch the best episode yet by far? It would be, like, totally okay with me if Kobayashi Hiroshi directed the rest of the series.

Quote from: Shota_Killer on November  2, 2013 06:35 AM
So did anyone else watch the best episode yet by far? It would be, like, totally okay with me if Kobayashi Hiroshi directed the rest of the series.

It really was the best episode so far, I liked that it had a little more of a serious tone than the rest of episodes as of right now.
Also best girl
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Amazing episode. Complete 360 compared to the last one. This anime has a lot of really cool male characters.

This episode was amazing. Although, the group name "Nudist beach" leaves me scared and excited.

i guess senketsu only lets certain people hear him talk? cuz mako apparantly can't hear him, and red mohawk needle dude couldn't up until he got right into his face.

Quote from: rtil on November  3, 2013 06:32 AM
i guess senketsu only lets certain people hear him talk? cuz mako apparantly can't hear him, and red mohawk needle dude couldn't up until he got right into his face.

We toys can see everything (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2AWyT7lPpc#ws)

Indeed, great episode. I guess we will get a plot after all.
Definitely my favorite show this season so far.

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there's like hundreds of those on /a/ lol

yep sure are

I hate to be the same loser bumping this thread every week, but it's been two days since the episode aired. Is anyone still watching this show? If so, what did you think of Komatsuda's direction and [spoiler]the mansformation sequence? Also it was cool to see Ryuuko finally lose a fight. I thought this was one of the better episodes. Also also [spoiler]there was a pretty clear allusion to male gazing this week. Good call Twixy.[/spoiler][/spoiler]

Fuck yes I'm still watching, it just keeps getting better and better. I'm just lazy and haven't really written anything too in depth. Episode 6 was brilliant.

[spoiler]Some really unconventional, interesting stuff went down, like Uzu getting a second chance and winning. The way this episode was directed made me feel sympathetic for him and almost conflicted over who I wanted to win. Well done Trigger. I'm really excited to see the other 3 star transformations as well. Also we'll see what role Satsuki's mother plays. I really like the way Trigger is slowly building up more and more complexity to the plot.[/spoiler]
Oh, and also:
[spoiler]WE MECHA NOW[/spoiler]

satsuki has a soft spot for uzu.. i guess she's not totally heartless

e7 is definitely my favorite episode so far.
mako is adorable ;^;

Quote from: Stu4U on November 14, 2013 09:14 PM
e7 is definitely my favorite episode so far.

Yeah this was definitely a better lighthearted world-building episode than 4.
[spoiler]It was hilarious how drastically the Mankanshoku's domestic behavior changed following their ascent in social class/BDSM contract.[spoiler]Also I didn't want to say this before giving it a chance, but this show is reminding me more and more of Medaka Box with each successive episode.[/spoiler][/spoiler]

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Imagine if she had a Kamui...

i recognize that hat.....

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News I guess:
The number of episodes has been bumped from 14 to 25 (according to the stats page on MAL, that is... haven't found any article regarding this piece of information yet but it should be legit).

My guess is that it develops from pure comedy and nonsense into something rather dramatic and dark.
Mako is adorable and the way she has been treated until now (as a comedic sidekick who never really seems to be in actual danger due to her status) leads me to the suspicion that she might play an even more significant role later on. Until now, there hasn't been much change in regards to her character (leaving aside the 'temporary changes of attitude' in the last episode) but considering the facts that she is the only friend of the main protagonist and one of the few main characters of this show, it wouldn't surprise me if this recent episode was not her only climatic development. Something that would really provide an amazing twist for this show would be her death, simply because it seems so unlikely for her character and for the concept of the series as a whole. The thought seems absurd but it would be one of the events that would certainly surprise and movie the audience. And it wouldn't be the first time the two guys behind the project have pulled off a twist like that.

Anyway, 7 episodes finished, 18 more to go. Even though the above theory is rather unlikely to be true and probably turns out to be bullshit, I am pretty sure that we will get our share of twists and story development.

Quote from: Kött on November 17, 2013 02:08 AM
News I guess:
The number of episodes has been bumped from 14 to 25 (according to the stats page on MAL, that is... haven't found any article regarding this piece of information yet but it should be legit).

My guess is that it develops from pure comedy and nonsense into something rather dramatic and dark.
Mako is adorable and the way she has been treated until now (as a comedic sidekick who never really seems to be in actual danger due to her status) leads me to the suspicion that she might play an even more significant role later on. Until now, there hasn't been much change in regards to her character (leaving aside the 'temporary changes of attitude' in the last episode) but considering the facts that she is the only friend of the main protagonist and one of the few main characters of this show, it wouldn't surprise me if this recent episode was not her only climatic development. Something that would really provide an amazing twist for this show would be her death, simply because it seems so unlikely for her character and for the concept of the series as a whole. The thought seems absurd but it would be one of the events that would certainly surprise and movie the audience. And it wouldn't be the first time the two guys behind the project have pulled off a twist like that.

Anyway, 7 episodes finished, 18 more to go. Even though the above theory is rather unlikely to be true and probably turns out to be bullshit, I am pretty sure that we will get our share of twists and story development.

I thought the series was always going to be a full 25 episodes? And yeah I kept thinking if we were to compare roles for each character, plot wise, Mako would have to be the one to die for Ryuko to get serious. Satsuki is basically Viral/Lord Genome and eventually her Father will be the Anti-Spiral.

If it's not her father, one thing that kept bothering me is that scissors can be considered sewing/stitchery equipment, and Nudist Beach seems to wield those heavily. The girl who killed Ryuko's father could be from Nudist Beach.

And if we're going way out there with crack theories, I could see trigger pulling something like "It was actually Ryuko all along and her memories have been altered"

killing mako off sounds a little too dark for klk

Quote from: rtil on November 18, 2013 05:43 AM
killing mako off sounds a little too dark for klk

That's the point: Doing something that the audience simply wouldn't expect. It's what made Gurren Lagann, Madoka, Gode Geass and a bunch of other successful animes. I know that the thought seems ridiculous for the way the show has presented itself so far and that's just why it would be the most effective way of creating a dark twist.
I'm not entirely sure if we can expect klk to be that twisted but appart from the a&t (and we also have that stuff in a lot of shounen), there aren't many things so far that would make it a late night show and until now we have significantly few deaths for a show called kill la kill.

But yes, it is more likely that they stick to the current style without doing something that extreme...

It does seem a bit dark, and I'm not saying it's guaranteed, but for point of reference, TTGL was just as light-hearted and whimsical until Kamina died around episode 8, and in KLK we had someone beaten to death and strung up nude as an example by a fascist authority in just episode 1 alone.

i think KLK stands out on its own without having to resort to killing a beloved character to turn heads, which isn't an instant qualifier for a good show. i do think it will get deeper and possibly darker, but Ryuuko without Mako would not be that good, imo.

rtill la rtill :D

i'll allow it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbEBg7RU_SA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbEBg7RU_SA)

8 episodes in and cosplay has already been perfected
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just wait till you see my satsuki cosplay ;)

is this you?
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no my ass is way better

kill la kill cosplay may be the best/worst thing ever

Quote from: rtil on November 25, 2013 06:47 AM
8 episodes in and cosplay has already been perfected

B-[spoiler]but that's a white chick.[spoiler]You racist.[/spoiler][/spoiler]

Also what did everyone think of episode 8? I thought [spoiler]the placement of the flashback was pretty hilarious.[/spoiler]

And I guess nobody is going to talk about the best episode yet (9)? It's been 4 days...

satsuki and gamagoori
sittin' in a tree
K-I-L-L-I-N-G

Quote from: rtil on December  2, 2013 09:39 AM
satsuki and gamagoori
sittin' in a tree
K-I-L-L-I-N-G

8/10 pretty good

are we just going to politely ignore the fact one of gamagoori's attack consists of him firing a bandage dick (with massive girth) at the dear ryuuko-chan

if it was any other show i would have mentioned it but at this point i didn't find it very surprising

especially since his entire shtick is bdsm

This was a couple of episodes ago, but I still found it quite interesting:

(Further fuel to support my theory... gotta admit that I didn't spot this one myslef tho)
[spoiler]
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http://puu.sh/5Am5J.jpg (http://puu.sh/5Am5J.jpg)[spoiler]Keep in mind that the chances for that constellation being picked randomly is 1 to 999999[/spoiler][/spoiler]

i had to look that up to figure out what it said

[spoiler]S1 I DIE

i just don't see any good reason for her to die[/spoiler]

Yeah /a/ was ejaculating all over that screenshot when the episode first aired. Either way, I'm sure Trigger's Christmas gift this year will be as generous as ever.

Quote from: rtil on December  2, 2013 09:39 AM
satsuki and gamagoori
sittin' in a tree
K-I-L-L-I-N-G

That flashback was adorable. Tiny Satsuki-sama is tiny.

Quote from: rtil on December  2, 2013 10:42 PM
if it was any other show i would have mentioned it but at this point i didn't find it very surprising

especially since this entire show's shtick is bdsm

Fixed. Or just female sexuality/sexual fetishism in general.

Quote from: we3dk1ll3r420 on December  3, 2013 02:05 PM
That flashback was adorable. Tiny Satsuki-sama is tiny.

or gamagoori is fucking huge. his head was the size of her body, and satsuki's hand can only grab one of his fingers. he seems to change sizes a lot, actually. there's no way that gamagoori could have fit in that car in episode 7, and then when he shows up to fight in episode 9 he's easily 4-5 times ryuuko's size

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*sweats heavily*

Quote from: Stu4U on December  5, 2013 07:58 PM
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*sweats heavily*

that is supple waifu material right there

damn straight son

more cosplay + bonus kobato http://ke-taro.jugem.jp/?eid=51 (http://ke-taro.jugem.jp/?eid=51)

her wig needs a good condition

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3DPD

Quote from: rtil on December  3, 2013 11:23 PM
or gamagoori is fucking huge. his head was the size of her body, and satsuki's hand can only grab one of his fingers. he seems to change sizes a lot, actually. there's no way that gamagoori could have fit in that car in episode 7, and then when he shows up to fight in episode 9 he's easily 4-5 times ryuuko's size

Yeah, she probably just looked small due to forced perspective. I'm guessing the flashback was some sort of allegorical reference to Showa-era politics (like most of the stuff in the show), but I haven't done much research.

Also not sure how I felt about the most recent episode. If this turns into a standard fighting anime for the next entire arc, I will feel pretty trolled (but hopefully in a good way(?). Also I guess I was wrong about each of the Elite Four personifying a different kink (they seemed to hint at this with Sanageyama's voyeurist abilities and Gamagori's BDSM powers). The best parts were definitely the second flashback and Shintani's voice acting during the fight.

[spoiler]Well, they finally dropped the bomb in this episode. I kind of saw it coming, because anyone who's watched TTGL would remember that halfway through they revealed the big bad was really just protecting the masses from the even bigger bad. I figured this episode would be when either Nudist Beach or Satsuki's mom would come into play, but I should've guessed that this new girl was Matoi's killer. Ryuko has already fought armor dude, so it would've been a boring repeat, and it's a common trope for the new big bad to curb stomp an old foe just to show how serious shit is. They played it well though since it caught me off guard.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I have this hunch that Nui isn't actually the killer. Maybe it's just cause this caught me so off guard. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.[/spoiler]

Quote from: Flee on December 13, 2013 02:26 AM
I'm saving up these last episodes on my hardrive then marathoning them all when the last one comes out. Then I will achieve enlightenment of course.

the last one for this season or the last one period? cuz if it's the latter, you're going to have to wait until march.

Quote from: zwimmy on December 13, 2013 01:52 AM
[spoiler]I have this hunch that Nui isn't actually the killer. Maybe it's just cause this caught me so off guard. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]the silhouette definitely didn't match. she is most likely working for the person who killed her, trying to lead ryuko off the scent of the true killer.

i also feel more strongly than before that satsuki has been trying to reverse psychology ryuko this whole time, and "train" her by having her beat her best lackeys , and then at the last second before they start fighting tell her the truth to try and get her on her side.

then it would be satsuki, ryuko and mako + the 4 devas vs the real villain of the show.[/spoiler]

it's confirmed 25 eps at a minimum

This episode only got good once Yukari showed up. Also[spoiler]I hope you guys didn't actually not pick up on the fact that Nui and Satsuki are/were lovers and Nui was probably covering for her and Ryuuko's father was probably evil (but let's not get ahead of ourselves).[/spoiler]

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guess i was wrong about the killer.. they really don't beat around the bush. still, i think the real villain has yet to be revealed.

I'm pretty much convinced it's going to be Satsuki's parents. We've already seen enough of her mom to know she's going to be a threat at some point, and have seen nothing of her dad.

oh yeah i forgot about her dad! that wouldn't surprise me at all if he were actually the villain. the mom's being revealed really early, i feel like she might be the dragon and not the big bad

more ryuuko cosplay
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Oh my, that underboob. that entire body.

The stockings are kinda baggy though.

Quote from: rtil on December 21, 2013 11:22 PM
more ryuuko cosplay

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Was starting to think there was something wrong with Chrome/Youtube, since every upload of Kyoukai no Kanata's ED theme or DON'T LOSE YOUR WAY is just slightly sped up compared to the original. Anyone know where I can find these untainted :< ? They're really catchy and I'm tired of playing the episodes just the hear a 1 minute snippet of them.

Search for the title via google and download the full song as an mp3 file?
My Mobile phone's full of animushit and it's probably my most played playlist

Alternatively (that is, if you want the bautiful visuals as well) you could as well check out minitheatre.org. You can sometimes find separately OPs and EDs there and even if you don't manage to find a separate file, you can always cut out that tiny part yourself.

Na, seriously, get an mp3 folder of for animushit.

maybe in one of these? the ost is released. http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=505475 (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=505475)

Gonna give it a shot, but I'm wondering if they're all sped up to avoid copyright claims or if everyone's been downloading the same sped up track. They're all exactly the same, it's not like they're independently speeding them up and getting the same result.

Edit: nope, seems legit. Maybe I will spend the week filling my ipod up with animu, and just remove them from shuffle when I have normals in the car  :wile:

Quote from: Gilthwixt on January  8, 2014 12:39 AM
Gonna give it a shot, but I'm wondering if they're all sped up to avoid copyright claims or if everyone's been downloading the same sped up track. They're all exactly the same, it's not like they're independently speeding them up and getting the same result.

Edit: nope, seems legit. Maybe I will spend the week filling my ipod up with animu, and just remove them from shuffle when I have normals in the car  :wile:

lol that's all the more reason to blast it at full volume!

Quote from: Kött on January  8, 2014 10:04 PM

Quote from: Gilthwixt on January  8, 2014 12:39 AM
Gonna give it a shot, but I'm wondering if they're all sped up to avoid copyright claims or if everyone's been downloading the same sped up track. They're all exactly the same, it's not like they're independently speeding them up and getting the same result.

Edit: nope, seems legit. Maybe I will spend the week filling my ipod up with animu, and just remove them from shuffle when I have normals in the car  :wile:

lol that's all the more reason to blast it at full volume!

indeed. i crank my eurobeat when i'm with the bros

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PROPANIACS CLUB
STRIPPED OF THE WILL TO GRILL

Quote from: BluPhoenix on January  9, 2014 12:05 AM

Quote from: Kött on January  8, 2014 10:04 PM

Quote from: Gilthwixt on January  8, 2014 12:39 AM
Gonna give it a shot, but I'm wondering if they're all sped up to avoid copyright claims or if everyone's been downloading the same sped up track. They're all exactly the same, it's not like they're independently speeding them up and getting the same result.

Edit: nope, seems legit. Maybe I will spend the week filling my ipod up with animu, and just remove them from shuffle when I have normals in the car  :wile:

lol that's all the more reason to blast it at full volume!

indeed. i crank my eurobeat when i'm with the bros

FUCK yeah!

【東方ヴォーカル】PLAY MY GAME Lady's【春の湊に～小さな小さな賢将】 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZIjWsWxlXE#)
【東方Vocal】【A-One】 God Bless You!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX7gmbO6CDs#ws)
[東方 /Eurobeat/ Arrange] 3L - Miracle∞Hinacle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eppv2H0h3R8#ws)

Also, new episode today (at least in my timezone...)! You fuckers hype yet?

i completely forgot how many episodes total s1 is supposed to have... like somewhere between 20 and 25 if i remember?

Anime is typically broken up into multiples of 13, so it's likely going to be 26 episodes

KLK is getting 24 episodes.

25 episodes, with 1 unaired

oh fuck no.
[spoiler]how is ryuko supposed to recover from that blow. i hate eyepatch bitch so much right now.
its going to be very tedious to slowly get senketsu back now that he's basically scattered throughout raid trip's army.
i mean she can probably still communicate with him through that small fragment that was left... but holy fuck this episode has really taken a turn for the worst.
[/spoiler]

it was definitely a very anti-climactic blow. moving things right along i guess!

Damn, what a change of pace. It's gonna get a bit more serious from now on I think...

Also, has anyone seen this?
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/11/18-1/voice-actress-for-mako-from-kill-la-kill-accidentally-adopts-character-hairstyle (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/11/18-1/voice-actress-for-mako-from-kill-la-kill-accidentally-adopts-character-hairstyle)

waifu material

can't say i expected that last part of ep 13

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[spoiler]i thought ep 14's resolution of regathering the pieces of senketsu during the raid trip was actually kinda predictable, after what satsuki thought to do with the pieces.[/spoiler]

still, ep 14 was great. tomorrow can't come soon enough

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let me give you two pieces of information-

1. fuck harime
2. fuck harime

i don't like calling nui by her name. i prefer to call her "eyepatch-bitch"

This series is too much fun. Also, Satsuki and Ryuko need to just fucking make out already, sheesh.

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new op next week

Wow.

This week's episode was incredible.

I felt Trigger really brought their A game. It's kind of hard to describe exactly but I feel like this episode was extremely well directed. There were moments where it felt more like a film.

Yeah, I tend to look at things a lot from a filmmaking perspective... As for for specific plot points: [spoiler]The minute and a half re-cap was a brilliant twist on this not-so-endearing anime trope. Bravo Trigger. The big underground life-fiber reveal was a definite nod to Evangelion, which I also enjoyed. Seeing more of Satsuki's softer side was great too. You just know that some kind of conflict is going to happen between her and Ragyo at some point. Ryuko's conflicted reaction at the end of Aikuro's explanation felt a lot more real than her simply sitting there and going "yeah", not to mention a beautiful bit of animation.[/spoiler] Like I said, just amazing pacing throughout this episode. Really excited to see how things play out from here and I hope Trigger keeps it up.

i'm glad they finally covered the backstory to life fibers, but as far as the motives of COVERS and the Kyruuins... why? [spoiler]is it simply the consuming/godlike nature of the life fibers? it seems like they're interested in an apocalyptic/end of times scenario. maybe they think that they will be spared because they are helping the life fibers achieve their goal.[/spoiler]

Holy shit.

[spoiler]It happened sooner than I expected[/spoiler]

SATSUKI CONFIRMED FOR REAL HERO AND SAVIOR OF THE HUMAN RACE

looking forward to the luke/darth vader empire strikes back conversation that satsuki and ryuko are going to have next ep

Gonna bump/spam some of  the new figures that are coming out
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There's going to be a Satsuki figma and nendoroid too

Spongebob - Don't Need It! [original] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA1mbZ_MMh8#)

out of all of those i want the mako nendo the most

the last one, the angle they chose for the pic is really bad, the foreshortening makes her look weird. i'd like to see it from another angle

Here's a back image if that can make up for it at all.
(but yeah I agree, she looks a bit wonky from that angle. her left leg looks so weird)
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that's a little better... maybe the pose is just weird haha

Quote from: rtil on February  9, 2014 05:56 AM
that's a little better... maybe the pose is just weird haha

ur weird :^)

[spoiler]fuck[/spoiler]

[spoiler]for real though, now that all these characters are going into such in-depth back stories about their origin of power,
what made eyepatch bitch so strong in the first place [spoiler](and THANK GOD she didn't just mary sue murder all the new goku uniforms)[/spoiler][/spoiler]

[spoiler]i was thinking she might be some sort of emissary of the life fibers herself, like some sort of alien. but im not actually sure now, it's really hard to tell with her shocked reactions to things[/spoiler]

[spoiler]ryuuko confirmed for dumpster baby[/spoiler]

happy late valentines day
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stealth admin edit: use [ spoilerimg ] tag for spoiler images

whys this show gotta 1-up itself every FUCKING episode

praise based trigger

ragyo confirmed for worst mother in anime

Holy shit, dat episode!
[spoiler]So Ryuko and Satsuka were sisters all along and her red strain of hair was actually a life fibre (making her a life fibre human hybrid form). Well, one could've guessed that bit of Symbolism, but for some reason no one did... I feel really stupid, just writing it off as a choice of character design.
I'm not exactly sure what the mother is as of yet, but she also somehow managed to fuse with the life fibres and even before she acquired Junketsu, Satsuki was no match for her. I guess that does make her either the final boss or something Spiral King-ish.
With Ryuko out of the game (she ripped out her fucking heart, but the preview mentioned that she would merely be unconscious), I wonder what's going to happen to Mako (whose only function until now was to be the best friend of the main protagonist so far). They might actually continue the show with a major time skip and make her one of the new major fighters/nudist beach generals, which could be really weird but also really awesome
I'm not quite sure what the mother's plans with Ryoko are, but it kinda goes into the direction of living test subject, knowing her past endeavours.

The next episode could really be anything.[/spoiler]

nice spoiler tag

I simply don't get the point of spoiler tags for an ongoing discussion about an ongoing show. Naturally, we are going to talk about what happened in the latest episodes. I don't see how it is useful to hide two thirds of all replies behind spoiler tags when people who visit this topic follow the show anyway and usually don't even dare to open the thread if they are not up to date (at least that's how I do it). Then again, I don't want to offend anyone who doesn't do so either.

"hey you watched the latest episode

congrats on your self-control, now you can read these posts"

oh boy what we have to put up with

Quote from: Kött on February 16, 2014 02:16 PM
Holy shit, dat episode!
[spoiler]So Ryuko and Satsuka were sisters all along and her red strain of hair was actually a life fibre (making her a life fibre human hybrid form). Well, one could've guessed that bit of Symbolism, but for some reason no one did... I feel really stupid, just writing it off as a choice of character design.
I'm not exactly sure what the mother is as of yet, but she also somehow managed to fuse with the life fibres and even before she acquired Junketsu, Satsuki was no match for her. I guess that does make her either the final boss or something Spiral King-ish.
With Ryuko out of the game (she ripped out her fucking heart, but the preview mentioned that she would merely be unconscious), I wonder what's going to happen to Mako (whose only function until now was to be the best friend of the main protagonist so far). They might actually continue the show with a major time skip and make her one of the new major fighters/nudist beach generals, which could be really weird but also really awesome
I'm not quite sure what the mother's plans with Ryoko are, but it kinda goes into the direction of living test subject, knowing her past endeavours.

The next episode could really be anything.[/spoiler]

my predictions:
[spoiler]

• Mako's father will perform masterful surgery on her and make her good as new for the battle
  
• Ryuuko's dad is Ragyo's ex-husband
  
• As Satsuki was a red herring for Ragyo, Ragyo might also be for some kind of ultimate life fiber being, as Ragyo is basically a superhuman prophet/slave to the life fibers
  

also, Nui was called the "Grand Couturier" by Rei, a Couturier is a person in the fashion industry who designs clothes for private clients, but usually hires others to actually create them. This explains Nui's extensive knowledge about life fiber clothing, and I don't think she is very strong on her own, just uses her knowledge to "fight" her opponents (ability to make clones - "mon mignon pret-a-porter" = "my cuties ready-to-wear" her clones, only Ryuuko could see through it).[/spoiler]

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Quote from: rtil on February 16, 2014 11:54 PM

• Ryuuko's dad is Ragyo's ex-husband
  

I thought that was pretty clear as soon as Ryuko was confirmed to be the supposedly dead baby. I mean, she's obviously Ragyo's daughter and we were told from the start that Isshin is her father. This leads to the conclusion that he is indeed the same scientist who married Ragyo, although, he seemed to have aged an awful lot in those 17 years... My theory is that he saved the nearly dead second daughter and somehow raised her secretly or arranged it in a different manner. At some point, he changed his name (and his appearance) and fled his wife, which must have been after the point when he told Satuski about her "wedding dress" at the age of five. Dr. Matoi might as well just be a foster parent or even Ryuko's grandfather. Ryuko pretty much grew up by herself, barely knowing her father, so I guess both would make sense.

Quote from: rtil on February 16, 2014 11:54 PM

• As Satsuki was a red herring for Ragyo, Ragyo might also be for some kind of ultimate life fiber being, as Ragyo is basically a superhuman prophet/slave to the life fibers
  

I actually thought that halfway through the episode when it looked like Satsuki was going to finish her off. The whole scenario reeked of Spiral King. Ragyo definitely is partly human, considering that she spoke of Ryuko being the only one beside her who had managed to fuse with the life fibres. The great question is, what exactly her backstory is and what she needs a second half-fibre-human for. My first guess would be as a test subject or some kind of power plant.
As a half-human, Ragyo herself probably is a slave to the life-fibres, but I'm having a hard time imagining how they are going to conclude that much story in only six remaining episodes. The pace of the last episode was lightning fast, but at the moment it seems like the good guys got their hands full with Ragyo already and introducing and defeating an even greater villain behind her seems nearly impossible in the remaining time. As much as I enjoy the show at the moment, I really prefer a concluded story over a promised second season.

There's one more thing I didn't think about. If Ryuko actually is unconscious (as promised in the preview) or dead from the next episode onwards, not only Mako but also Senketsu lose their functions as protagonists. The most likely thing to happen would be a quick recovery of Ryuko in the next episode, but so far, Satsuki has mainly functioned as an antagonist and was mainly shown from a distant perspective, which also makes it seem likely that the rest of the show might fokus a bit more on her (which would also give it an interesting twist). An unlikely but interesting turn of events would be Mako, hardening the fuck up and taking Ryuko's place/i.e. by teaming up with senketsu or becoming a Nudist beach agent after a major timeskip (yes, I have already mentioned that idea). But that would probably ruin the great, goofy moments that her character has provided until now. In any case, I'm pretty sure that she will play an important role at some point.

Fuck... I guess I've mainly repeated myself.
Well, one more thing: The mohawk dude. He also has red hair. This observation probably seems a bit too obvious after the revelation of Ryoko's background and the story behind her red strain of hair, but he might as well turn out to be a descendant of a fibre being.
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Quote from: Kött on February 17, 2014 12:20 PM
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There's one more thing I didn't think about. If Ryuko actually is unconscious (as promised in the preview) or dead from the next episode onwards, not only Mako but also Senketsu lose their functions as protagonists. The most likely thing to happen would be a quick recovery of Ryuko in the next episode, but so far, Satsuki has mainly functioned as an antagonist and was mainly shown from a distant perspective, which also makes it seem likely that the rest of the show might fokus a bit more on her (which would also give it an interesting twist). An unlikely but interesting turn of events would be Mako, hardening the fuck up and taking Ryuko's place/i.e. by teaming up with senketsu or becoming a Nudist beach agent after a major timeskip (yes, I have already mentioned that idea). But that would probably ruin the great, goofy moments that her character has provided until now. In any case, I'm pretty sure that she will play an important role at some point.
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i've never really seen Satsuki as the antagonist, but rather a protagonist with different motives, and also a red herring for Ragyo, revealing herself as the true villain.

I also think Mako does not have the ability to take Ryuko's place in any fashion, as she is by all means a normal person , despite her ability to take hundreds of hits to the face and come out unscathed, although I think this was mostly for slapstick humor rather than anything canon.

i also hope there is no timeskip - for one it is too late for something like that to happen, it's quite likely the story is reaching its end. and secondly, i always though TTGL's second half post-timeskip was a much weaker story, and if that is anything to judge gainax/trigger writers off of then i wouldn't want them to try it again.

[spoiler]BASED NONON

(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.minus.com%2FibykDswVqOndo7.gif&hash=24debd9347b8c2a49fa55662092eba066b4abf7f)

Also, dat Gamagoori blush.

I'm kind of annoyed at Ryuko going all rage bitch, but she did go through a lot. Hopefully she gets over it quickly.[/spoiler]

Shit, well it looks like I gotta catch up on my animu, I've only watch the first two episodes of this. And I'm currently on EP 20 of Attack on Titan. I think I turned away from this because this show didn't really feel like it was going to hold much ground on character developing part, but the gifs on tumblr and the constant ranting from friends has made me rethink watching it again.

KLK is one of those shows  where you think it can't get any crazier, then it does

i got really bored of it

Quote from: wop on February 22, 2014 11:10 PM
i got really bored of it

(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebackalleys.com%2Fdump%2Ffiles%2F1091%2F0532Qu_apafrog.png&hash=bab7d8ae03f65867ed229e1f1648d9f8343965d3)

Hey, that means he is asexuel AND has no taste

[spoiler]
Ok, as for the new episode, I really enjoyed it.
Didn't expect that Satsuki was the one who would become Ragyou's captive... In fact I thought Ryuuko was the one to be knocked out for the remaining episodes. Interesting development.
I must say that I kinda spoiled myself in regards to the huge increase of nudist beach recruits (the 4 devas). I watched this episode yesterday, but as of last Thursday, nearly every damn image board out there is filled with Nudist Beach Nonon (<3) and Gamagori. Well, could've seen this coming if I hadn't been convinced that Ryuuko was the one to be captured instead of Satsuki. But at least it looks like I was right in regards to Mako.^^
Also we were right to assume that Dr. Matoi was in fact the same person as Satsuki's father. He really did pull off a good job at changing his appearance.
So everyone's a nudist now and Nonon is suddenly 300% more badass. Also Gamagori's crush on Mako has been confirmed as canon.
I really like where this is going.

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(https://24.media.tumblr.com/b080eda12ca33bb477bc20d5c8008dcd/tumblr_n10d31Qyft1rzwewno2_1280.jpg)
my ship is canon

Ok, I should probably point this out before it is pointed out or explained in the show because I simply love to predict and analyze ongoing stories:

[spoiler]I have one plot hole (which is so obvious that it will probably be part of some major twist) as well as a theory regarding Senketsu.

The plot hole that I noticed is related to Ryuko's father's change into Dr. Matoi. We can see him transform into his alter ego shortly after he is supposedly killed and has saved his newborn, second daughter. However, in Satsuki's flashback, we see him in his old form, when he tells her about her "wedding dress". Didn't Satsuki mention that she was 5 years old that that point, though? However, at this point, her father's appearance had already changed. I know that the flashbacks so far have been somewhat inconsistent (the silhouette of the father's killer, etc.), but this one kinda threw me off. Did he transform back into his old self, and if so, why did he do that? If not, was it someone else, is Satsuki's memory just clouded or did he actually do it before he changed his appearance? In the latter case, Satsuki would be not one but at least 5 years older than Ryuko, which seems kinda weird.

The theory: Dr. Matoi is missing his right eye. Senketsu is missing his left eye and doesn't know what he is or where he came from. I'm not sure how this is related... it could be a mere choice of design (a parable to how god created mankind after his appearance etc.) but it could as well refer to some hidden truth about Ryuko's father, using a part of himself to create Senketsu or possibly even partly becoming Senketsu himself. So far, Senketsu is the only godrobe that was able to speak and only Ryuko is able to understand him.

Your thoughts?[/spoiler]

Quote from: Kött on February 26, 2014 04:12 PM
Ok, I should probably point this out before it is pointed out or explained in the show because I simply love to predict and analyze ongoing stories:

[spoiler]I have one plot hole (which is so obvious that it will probably be part of some major twist) as well as a theory regarding Senketsu.

The plot hole that I noticed is related to Ryuko's father's change into Dr. Matoi. We can see him transform into his alter ego shortly after he is supposedly killed and has saved his newborn, second daughter. However, in Satsuki's flashback, we see him in his old form, when he tells her about her "wedding dress". Didn't Satsuki mention that she was 5 years old that that point, though? However, at this point, her father's appearance had already changed. I know that the flashbacks so far have been somewhat inconsistent (the silhouette of the father's killer, etc.), but this one kinda threw me off. Did he transform back into his old self, and if so, why did he do that? If not, was it someone else, is Satsuki's memory just clouded or did he actually do it before he changed his appearance? In the latter case, Satsuki would be not one but at least 5 years older than Ryuko, which seems kinda weird.

The theory: Dr. Matoi is missing his right eye. Senketsu is missing his left eye and doesn't know what he is or where he came from. I'm not sure how this is related... it could be a mere choice of design (a parable to how god created mankind after his appearance etc.) but it could as well refer to some hidden truth about Ryuko's father, using a part of himself to create Senketsu or possibly even partly becoming Senketsu himself. So far, Senketsu is the only godrobe that was able to speak and only Ryuko is able to understand him.

Your thoughts?[/spoiler]

but if Senketsu only has one eye cuz of that, why does Junketsu have two?

Quote from: Kött on February 26, 2014 04:12 PM
Ok, I should probably point this out before it is pointed out or explained in the show because I simply love to predict and analyze ongoing stories:

[spoiler]I have one plot hole (which is so obvious that it will probably be part of some major twist) as well as a theory regarding Senketsu.

The plot hole that I noticed is related to Ryuko's father's change into Dr. Matoi. We can see him transform into his alter ego shortly after he is supposedly killed and has saved his newborn, second daughter. However, in Satsuki's flashback, we see him in his old form, when he tells her about her "wedding dress". Didn't Satsuki mention that she was 5 years old that that point, though? However, at this point, her father's appearance had already changed. I know that the flashbacks so far have been somewhat inconsistent (the silhouette of the father's killer, etc.), but this one kinda threw me off. Did he transform back into his old self, and if so, why did he do that? If not, was it someone else, is Satsuki's memory just clouded or did he actually do it before he changed his appearance? In the latter case, Satsuki would be not one but at least 5 years older than Ryuko, which seems kinda weird.

The theory: Dr. Matoi is missing his right eye. Senketsu is missing his left eye and doesn't know what he is or where he came from. I'm not sure how this is related... it could be a mere choice of design (a parable to how god created mankind after his appearance etc.) but it could as well refer to some hidden truth about Ryuko's father, using a part of himself to create Senketsu or possibly even partly becoming Senketsu himself. So far, Senketsu is the only godrobe that was able to speak and only Ryuko is able to understand him.

Your thoughts?[/spoiler]

This is what bothered me about Matoi's reveal. How does he go from looking so young with Satsuki to looking so old and different looking some 10 to 12 years later? My friend guessed it ahead of time and I kept denying it because it doesn't make sense, plastic surgery be damned. He also guessed that Senketsu was really Matoi somehow when the show first started, which I ALSO denied, but if it ends up being true I'll be pissed. We literally see him stash Senketsu in a pile of clothing, unless he somehow also cloned himself during the plastic surgery.

Quote from: rtil on February 26, 2014 07:24 PM

Quote from: Kött on February 26, 2014 04:12 PM
Ok, I should probably point this out before it is pointed out or explained in the show because I simply love to predict and analyze ongoing stories:

[spoiler]I have one plot hole (which is so obvious that it will probably be part of some major twist) as well as a theory regarding Senketsu.

The plot hole that I noticed is related to Ryuko's father's change into Dr. Matoi. We can see him transform into his alter ego shortly after he is supposedly killed and has saved his newborn, second daughter. However, in Satsuki's flashback, we see him in his old form, when he tells her about her "wedding dress". Didn't Satsuki mention that she was 5 years old that that point, though? However, at this point, her father's appearance had already changed. I know that the flashbacks so far have been somewhat inconsistent (the silhouette of the father's killer, etc.), but this one kinda threw me off. Did he transform back into his old self, and if so, why did he do that? If not, was it someone else, is Satsuki's memory just clouded or did he actually do it before he changed his appearance? In the latter case, Satsuki would be not one but at least 5 years older than Ryuko, which seems kinda weird.

The theory: Dr. Matoi is missing his right eye. Senketsu is missing his left eye and doesn't know what he is or where he came from. I'm not sure how this is related... it could be a mere choice of design (a parable to how god created mankind after his appearance etc.) but it could as well refer to some hidden truth about Ryuko's father, using a part of himself to create Senketsu or possibly even partly becoming Senketsu himself. So far, Senketsu is the only godrobe that was able to speak and only Ryuko is able to understand him.

Your thoughts?[/spoiler]

but if Senketsu only has one eye cuz of that, why does Junketsu have two?

[spoiler]It has never been stated that Junketsu was actually created by Dr. Matoi, or has it? All we know is that someone, who looked like his former self introduced Junketsu to Satsuki as her Wedding dress. Again, what makes Junketsu different to Senketsu is that we don't know whether or not it has its own personality and the ability to speak. Junketsu might be something entirely different (even though it seems unlikely). All we know is that it is referred to as a wedding dress, which is further reinforced by its white color. A popular theory suggests Senketsu (since it is black and the only second god robe so far) as its counterpart. At the moment, it seems to be obvious that Satsuki has also inherited parts of her mother's power (note the metal (?) toe nail in the epilogue of episode 19). This actually seems quite likely, but so far we don't actually know what this "wedding" might stand for.

At the moment, it seems to be obvious that Satsuki has also inherited parts of her mother's power (note the metal (?) toe nail in the epilogue of episode 19), so the wedding might simply refer to an alliance between the two to defeat their mother and nothing more. But I wouldn't be surprised it it was part of some major plot twist. It might also have something to do with the new ultimate godrobe, which Satsuki probably referred to when she mentioned the words "Shinra Kouketsu". Probably, creating a godrobe requires a human sacrifice which meets certain requirements and she knew about that fact all along. In fact, this would be another fact that would make me believe that Dr. Matoi became part of Senketsu. He finished the outfit and performed the necessary ritual before or after he had spoken to his daughter and died (depending on what that ritual actually is).

In any case, there are a lot of questions left to answer and even more unexplained details and background stories (Nonon's monkey, Tsumugu and his sitster,Ragyou and Nui etc.). So much, in fact, that it makes me feel a bit uneasy that there are only 5 episodes left. I hope Trigger will find a satisfying way to conclude this story.[/spoiler]

Quote from: Kött on February 26, 2014 10:34 PM

Quote from: rtil on February 26, 2014 07:24 PM

Quote from: Kött on February 26, 2014 04:12 PM
Ok, I should probably point this out before it is pointed out or explained in the show because I simply love to predict and analyze ongoing stories:

[spoiler]I have one plot hole (which is so obvious that it will probably be part of some major twist) as well as a theory regarding Senketsu.

The plot hole that I noticed is related to Ryuko's father's change into Dr. Matoi. We can see him transform into his alter ego shortly after he is supposedly killed and has saved his newborn, second daughter. However, in Satsuki's flashback, we see him in his old form, when he tells her about her "wedding dress". Didn't Satsuki mention that she was 5 years old that that point, though? However, at this point, her father's appearance had already changed. I know that the flashbacks so far have been somewhat inconsistent (the silhouette of the father's killer, etc.), but this one kinda threw me off. Did he transform back into his old self, and if so, why did he do that? If not, was it someone else, is Satsuki's memory just butted or did he actually do it before he changed his appearance? In the latter case, Satsuki would be not one but at least 5 years older than Ryuko, which seems kinda weird.

The theory: Dr. Matoi is missing his right eye. Senketsu is missing his left eye and doesn't know what he is or where he came from. I'm not sure how this is related... it could be a mere choice of design (a parable to how god created mankind after his appearance etc.) but it could as well refer to some hidden truth about Ryuko's father, using a part of himself to create Senketsu or possibly even partly becoming Senketsu himself. So far, Senketsu is the only godrobe that was able to speak and only Ryuko is able to understand him.

Your thoughts?[/spoiler]

but if Senketsu only has one eye cuz of that, why does Junketsu have two?

[spoiler]It has never been stated that Junketsu was actually created by Dr. Matoi, or has it? All we know is that someone, who looked like his former self introduced Junketsu to Satsuki as her Wedding dress. Again, what makes Junketsu different to Senketsu is that we don't know whether or not it has its own personality and the ability to speak. Junketsu might be something entirely different (even though it seems unlikely). All we know is that it is referred to as a wedding dress, which is further reinforced by its white color. A popular theory suggests Senketsu (since it is black and the only second god robe so far) as its counterpart. At the moment, it seems to be obvious that Satsuki has also inherited parts of her mother's power (note the metal (?) toe nail in the epilogue of episode 19). This actually seems quite likely, but so far we don't actually know what this "wedding" might stand for.

At the moment, it seems to be obvious that Satsuki has also inherited parts of her mother's power (note the metal (?) toe nail in the epilogue of episode 19), so the wedding might simply refer to an alliance between the two to defeat their mother and nothing more. But I wouldn't be surprised it it was part of some major plot twist. It might also have something to do with the new ultimate godrobe, which Satsuki probably referred to when she mentioned the words "Shinra Kouketsu". Probably, creating a godrobe requires a human sacrifice which meets certain requirements and she knew about that fact all along. In fact, this would be another fact that would make me believe that Dr. Matoi became part of Senketsu. He finished the outfit and performed the necessary ritual before or after he had spoken to his daughter and died (depending on what that ritual actually is).

In any case, there are a lot of questions left to answer and even more unexplained details and background stories (Nonon's monkey, Tsumugu and his sitster,Ragyou and Nui etc.). So much, in fact, that it makes me feel a bit uneasy that there are only 5 episodes left. I hope Trigger will find a satisfying way to conclude this story.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]i didn't say that dr matoi created junketsu. i'm saying junketsu has two "eyes" that look at lot like senketsu's eye.[/spoiler]
[spoilerimg]http://www.entravity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/kill-6-7-junketsu-crazy.jpg[/spoilerimg]
[spoiler]it also feeds on blood in the same way that senketsu does.[/spoiler]
[spoilerimg]http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/o2Bo9lxilWs/maxresdefault.jpg[/spoilerimg]

Quote from: Kött on February 26, 2014 04:12 PM
Ok, I should probably point this out before it is pointed out or explained in the show because I simply love to predict and analyze ongoing stories:

[spoiler]
The plot hole that I noticed is related to Ryuko's father's change into Dr. Matoi. We can see him transform into his alter ego shortly after he is supposedly killed and has saved his newborn, second daughter. However, in Satsuki's flashback, we see him in his old form, when he tells her about her "wedding dress". Didn't Satsuki mention that she was 5 years old that that point, though? However, at this point, her father's appearance had already changed. I know that the flashbacks so far have been somewhat inconsistent (the silhouette of the father's killer, etc.), but this one kinda threw me off. Did he transform back into his old self, and if so, why did he do that? If not, was it someone else, is Satsuki's memory just clouded or did he actually do it before he changed his appearance? In the latter case, Satsuki would be not one but at least 5 years older than Ryuko, which seems kinda weird.
[/spoiler]

[spoiler]from the latest episode, i can see now that these strange plotholes that everyone is talking about shouldn't only be focused on dr. matoi, but more on ryuko. i'm still praying that those brain washing memories that made her switch sides never actually happened (though that's probably going to be the real deal considering what happened last time with us being unsure if eyepatch bitch was really daddy's killer).[/spoiler]

I'm just going to lay down major points of information that we currently know and don't know b/c that part of the episode threw me completely out of whack:

[spoiler]
- we know that ryuko is satsuki's little sister and that she was rescued by dr. matoi AFTER she was discarded by ragyo thinking she had died.

- at some point dr. matoi fled and changed his appearance, but we don't know when EXACTLY he changed.

- ryuko doesn't remember her childhood very well, giving the choice of her either growing up with dr. matoi or with ragyo, but if ryuko really did grow up with ragyo, it would conflict with the first point.

- satsuki had a clear memory of dr. matoi telling her that junketsu was going to be HER wedding dress.

- eyepatch bitch is a test tube clone which i'm assuming would be ryuko's replacement after they thought she died.
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i'm sure there's alot more points that i may have missed. i just need some more explanation from someone who can pay better attention than me on this stuff because FUCKING FUCK DUDE HOLY FUCK.

Are you questioning whether Ryuko's flashback actually happened? I really, really doubt that. It's definitely false implanted memories.

Ryuko's Way:

[X] Lost
[  ] Not Lost

Just a question, is anyone else noticing a decline in animation quality over the course of the series? It's been happening for a while now but I'm getting really disappointed in all of these barely animated filler sequences.

yea i've been noticing it too. the low frame dialogue sequences and tweening is getting more and more noticeable, but i'm sure it'll be made up for these last upcoming episodes.

and i really REALLY hope you're right and i'm thinking way too hard on this, but you can't be 100% sure... ryuko's expression at that part hit me really hard dude ;^;

Waaaah! How can I know whether the spoiler includes knowledge for the latest episode (which I haven't watched yet) or not?

Ok, I have now finished watching episode 20 as well. Time to rejoin the club.

Quote from: Gilthwixt on February 28, 2014 05:51 AM
Are you questioning whether Ryuko's flashback actually happened? I really, really doubt that. It's definitely false implanted memories.

Ryuko's Way:

[X] Lost
[  ] Not Lost

Just a question, is anyone else noticing a decline in animation quality over the course of the series? It's been happening for a while now but I'm getting really disappointed in all of these barely animated filler sequences.

Now that you mention it... there really are a lot of scenes which utilize rather simple animation techniques. Then again, we already had a lot of tweening and cheap animation tricks in the very first episodes, but for some reason, those parts never really bothered me. Of course, there were some really amazingly animated moments throughout the episodes we have seen so far, but KlK has generally always seemed to me like a show which exploits and emphasizes certain techniques of simple animation deliberately to parody them. My point is: Hasn't this anime always been like that?
Throughout the latest episodes, the show's pace really has increased and we get a lot of great twists and an interesting development, which is why this goofy style of animation might seem a bit more out of place than in the beginning. I know that might seem a bit lackluster from an animator's perspective, but I am pretty sure that you guys are right about the studio, saving up some of that potential for the moments where the really good animation really does have a great impact.

[spoiler]As for the implanted memories issue: When I watched episode 20, the thought of Ryuko's happy memories with her mother not being implanted ones but the real deal never even crossed my mind, although it would make an interesting twist.

What I was mainly concerned about was Satsuki's flashback about meeting her father and right now it seems like that plothole did receive an explanation. Knowing that the possibility of implanting fake memories and rewriting a person's past in his or her mind exists, we now know that at least one of the truths about the girls' flashbacks (of course this excludes the newly implanted memories from episode 20), must be fake. At the moment, I am pretty sure that Satsuki never actually met her father at that time, when he supposedly told her about her wedding dress and initiated her fury against her mother. But that means he must have been capable of altering her memories (as his appearance had already changed at that point. Again, Satsuki is only one year older than Ryuko, according to the online sources. This might simply turn out to be a false piece of information as well, which would completely overthrow this theory).

But if he was capable of manipulating memories, why would he do it at that particular point instead of waiting until she grew older? Letting her know about the truth and turning her into a secret rebel as a child would have been too much of a risk for him if he actually did have the capability of completely altering memories. It simply doesn't add up.
On the other hand, there was a picture of 5-year-old? Satsuki and the silhouette of her supposed father, which kinda threw me off when I rewatched parts of the earlier episodes with this theory in mind.

In any case, it seems clear that the flashbacks we have seen so far are not necessarily illustrating the truth about the past, which basically means that anything could happen now. Maybe all the flashbacks so far will turn out to be implanted memories by Ragyou to achieve a certain goal. Right now, the show really keeps me guessing and I like that...[/spoiler]

the animation getting worse is par the course, they're running out of time and money, and they probably spent a good chunk of the budget on the earlier fight scenes, most notably Ryuko vs Satsuki in Osaka. and whatever they have planned for the finale surely took up a significant amount of budget as well. the industry there is at a breakneck pace, they have to cut corners when they can and at least Trigger openly embraces that fact instead of trying to hide it.

Kill La Kill 21: "Wait, did I download a hentai by mistake?"

Edit: Fucking trigger trolling the shit out of us. They really had me worried there, twice.

Quote from: Gilthwixt on March  7, 2014 03:43 AM
Kill La Kill 21: "Wait, did I download a hentai by mistake?"

Edit: Fucking trigger trolling the shit out of us. They really had me worried there, twice.

[spoiler]Yeah, holy shit... I actually thought that was it for Mako (assuming your worries were not supposed to be related to the ecchi scenes). Both scenes did have a way more serious tension than the previous scenes in which her life was in danger (which actually happened regularly during the first couple of episodes). So far, she seemed to a kind of immortal, comedy sidekick but recently (despite still being rather goofy), her role has become much more important.

So far, KlK has been rather tame in regards to character deaths (considering its name). As of yet, none of the characters which actually lived at the beginning of the show has died, although we are constantly confronted with blood and violence. Mako's death would probably be the cruelest and most twisted event that could happen at this moment and the way the story has been progressing lately as well as the countless foreshadings, I actually do consider it to be a possible turn of events. My prediction: Episode 23 (But fuck that, let's hope that theory turns out to be bs)

At the moment, it actually looks like Ryuko is about to bite the dust. But that twist would be a bit too cliché for what I would expect from the guys behind this project.[/spoiler]

Quote from: Kött on March  8, 2014 04:30 PM

Quote from: Gilthwixt on March  7, 2014 03:43 AM
Kill La Kill 21: "Wait, did I download a hentai by mistake?"

Edit: Fucking trigger trolling the shit out of us. They really had me worried there, twice.

[spoiler]Yeah, holy shit... I actually thought that was it for Mako (assuming your worries were not supposed to be related to the ecchi scenes). Both scenes did have a way more serious tension than the previous scenes in which her life was in danger (which actually happened regularly during the first couple of episodes). So far, she seemed to a kind of immortal, comedy sidekick but recently (despite still being rather goofy), her role has become much more important.

So far, KlK has been rather tame in regards to character deaths (considering its name). As of yet, none of the characters which actually lived at the beginning of the show has died, although we are constantly confronted with blood and violence. Mako's death would probably be the cruelest and most twisted event that could happen at this moment and the way the story has been progressing lately as well as the countless foreshadings, I actually do consider it to be a possible turn of events. My prediction: Episode 23 (But fuck that, let's hope that theory turns out to be bs)

At the moment, it actually looks like Ryuko is about to bite the dust. But that twist would be a bit too cliché for what I would expect from the guys behind this project.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I think if they were going to do it, they would've have killed her already. rtil was right, Mako is just too important to kill off, and it just wouldn't benefit the series much, at least not this late in the game. That stuff with Mako's eyes reading I die season 1 and the near deaths this episode is probably just Trigger trolling the shit out of the audience for fun, and it worked.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]it's worth noting that the "S1 I DIE" screen can also be read as "21 I DIE" , and for a moment you do think she may have died but whatever was bleeding was neither Senketsu or Mako but rather some metaphor of Ryuko shattering the false reality implanted in her head by Ragyo. If anyone is going to be dying it is has to be Nui and Ragyo. so far KLK has played it pretty straight when it comes to revenge stories, Ryuko could have died when the story was still about avenging her father but it's really no longer about that , and on top of that Satsuki's red herring card has already been played. I think anything short of a "good end" would be a cheap twist of fate by Trigger at this point.[/spoiler]

Well at least Ryuuko is back

Shot Through the Heart (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I2zxjFEGuo#ws)

looking back on that clip i think ryuko did something really dumb - she basically gave nui the other scissor sword. i mean nui can't die unless she is cut by the two together, and so she'll just pull the scissor sword out of herself and now she has both.

Quote from: rtil on March 11, 2014 12:03 AM
looking back on that clip i think ryuko did something really dumb - she basically gave nui the other scissor sword. i mean nui can't die unless she is cut by the two together, and so she'll just pull the scissor sword out of herself and now she has both.

I noticed that as well but does she really need both of them to kill Nui and her mother?

Oye, I forgot to mention it, but as it has turned out, the theory about getting stronger the less skin you show seems to be true for the godrobes, as synchronization mode was explained to be a way of utilizing the power of life fibres without losing control to them. So showing ass and tits provides protection but prevents them from unleashing their full potential.

Lastly, I'm going to make a prediction. As unlikely as it seems to you guys at this point, I think that Mako will die in the second last episode. Even though it goes completely against the function of her role in the show, the foreshadings (Heaven ED, Calculator scene, death references in almost every speech, certain quotes) as well as the fact that the villains are slowly starting to perceive her as a problem simply suggests that it's not over yet and it wouldn't be the first time the two creators pull off a gainax ending. But again, this is just some dumb theory by someone who likes dark twists even more than his favorite characters.
Also, knowing Mako as a character, even if said event would occur, there would still be a 60% chance that it just turns out to be some comedic disney death. The guys from Trigger probably know how many fans they would piss off by killing her.

i just don't see any point in killing mako.. i think trigger should use KLK as an opportunity to finally detach themselves from the gainax name and for once not do a troll ending. they already did this with LWA and i hope they continue to do so.  i guess gurren lagann didn't have one, either.

also, iirc, the only way you can kill a life fiber being is with both of those blades put together. that's why ryuko needs both, so she can cut up the original life fiber. otherwise it will just regenerate

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>grandma ragyo

lmao

disgusting

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[spoiler]i guess ryuko has leveled up now, nui is no match for her

i could see satsuki dying in the finale[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Ok, there go the arms of the grand courtier. I guess you were right about the scissors only unleashing their powers when they are used together. I actually like the cartoonish violence in Kill la Kill, but the lack of suffering for Nui is a bit of a shame. Anyway, 2 more limbs to go and we have Nana 2.0.

Also, hell yeah! I really lost my shit when Mako showed up in her 2-star uniform once again. This actually makes up more than enough for her not synchronizing with Senketsu in the previous episode.

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The life fibres and the uniforms are back in the game and the midboss characters from the first episodes are back as well, presumably to join the final battle. Well, I guess that makes it a bit more interesting, since every single character will be able to unleash their full potential one more time before the show ends... but damn man, no nudust beach Nonon anymore... at least for now.

Oh, and there was the big reveal. Letting Ryuko fight herself and her army in order to train her was Satsuki's plan after all... It seems kinda lame, considering people predicted this from the early episodes onwards. Then again, they did have most people fooled by postponing this revelation to this point. [/spoiler]

Quote from: rtil on March 18, 2014 05:47 AM
[spoiler]i guess ryuko has leveled up now, nui is no match for her

i could see satsuki dying in the finale[/spoiler]

[spoiler]You mean as the former mentor and new friend of Ryuko, passing her mission and hope on to her now fully trained disciple? It might be possible, but if she actually does die, I think that it might much rather happen one episode before the finale (to increase the hatred for Ragyou).

Although, if there's someone of the good guys who would have to die according to the traditional pattern of this type of story, it would be Ryuko, considering that she would be the only fibre being left on the planet after humanity has won.

Mako might die to deconstruct the fuck out of the genre and to create even more hatred for the bad guys... and I guess that would define an entirely new trope. But this is more of a dark fantasy that fascinates and disgusts me at the same time.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]if mako was going to die it would have happened a long time ago. so far, nobody has died , so if they kill anyone it's going to be pretty significant. but if it's a non-villain, i don't see the point since there is almost no time left in the show, their sacrifice will be kind of pointless. [/spoiler]

Quote from: rtil on March 19, 2014 01:48 AM
[spoiler]if mako was going to die it would have happened a long time ago. so far, nobody has died , so if they kill anyone it's going to be pretty significant. but if it's a non-villain, i don't see the point since there is almost no time left in the show, their sacrifice will be kind of pointless. [/spoiler]

The kill la kill universe has been rather wacky in terms of violence and death in general so far. I mean we have after school clubs, battling each other with instruments and books, we have tanks covered in beef and we have a guerilla organization which fights naked, and now that the old club presidents have reappeared, I think this way fighting battles will return as well. So the way I see it, the producers have exactly 2 choices:

One choice would be to pull off a nicely animated but wacky battle with all sorts of ridiculous attacks and tactics. The good guys prevail through their individuality/incomprehensibility (quoting parts of the subs here) and we have another two thrilling but mainly funny episodes.

The second choice would be to do something that deconstructs the whole idea of a comedic final battle which is decided through a chain of ridiculous stunts by the side characters and Mako. Imagine Ragyou would get her ass kicked because of one of Mako's silly speeches. It would be in the manner of the show that we have gotten to know over the past months. Nothing out of the ordinary, something one might even expect. But Ragyou doesn't seem like the kind of villain who just goes down due to some comedic incident. It might be able that she is vulnerable to a bit of the show's wackiness, but she is one of the few characters of this show who has never been subjected to slapstick or other forms of comedy and has never lost her cool facade. The very definition of her character that has been established thus far demands that she has to be defeated in a more serious battle and at some point, the producers might simply decide to utilize certain means in order to indicate that shit's hitting the fan.

Also I don't see any problems about waiting with the character deaths until the end... in fact, it is a rather comon thing in anime.
[spoiler]I don't think you would consider the events in the Cowboy Bebop finale insignificant. In fact, it's what made the show so great. And Cowboy Bebop is only one out of many examples. There are plenty of characters who die in the last episodes of Gurren Lagann (after a long peroid of no deaths at all), Elfen Lied kills off several important characters in the last episodes, hell, even Trigun lets one of its major characters die in the last few episodes![/spoiler]

So far, Kill la Kill has been a really entertaining show which hasn't taken itself too seriously. However, in order to fully become as legendary Gurren Lagann and other anime at the top of many lists, it has to do something that will shake up its audience and make it unforgettable - something that the fans wouldn't necessarily predict. The most boring way in which this show could end would be the good guys winning without any form of sacrifice. It would make the ending forgettable and insinificant, even though it does suit the happy go lucky attitude of the show, and that would be a shame since it has been really great and innovative until now.

I've already listed the reasons why I believe that Mako might be one of the characters to die, but the reason why I believe that it's going to happen in the next episode and not in the final one is the fact that the second last episode will be featuring the regular ending of the second half for the last time (as the finale of nearly every anime usually doesn't have an ED/fades out with the first OP song). This ending is focused entirely on Mako and her feelings towards Ryuko. At the moment it's just cute and funny, but if they will do what I think they will in the next episode, its impact will change drastically, and believe me, it's gonna hurt.

(On the other hand, the topic of the ED is how Mako feels about Ryuko, so if she would be the one to die, it would have a similar effect, albeit not as strong.)

Quote from: Kött on March 19, 2014 12:03 PM
Also I don't see any problems about waiting with the character deaths until the end... in fact, it is a rather comon thing in anime.

that's not a good reason for doing it.

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[spoiler]I don't think you would consider the events in the Cowboy Bebop finale insignificant. In fact, it's what made the show so great. And Cowboy Bebop is only one out of many examples. There are plenty of characters who die in the last episodes of Gurren Lagann (after a long peroid of no deaths at all), Elfen Lied kills off several important characters in the last episodes, hell, even Trigun lets one of its major characters die in the last few episodes![/spoiler]

for Bebop, even Watanabe has stated that he does not know whether Spike is alive or dead in the end, and that the star in the sky that faded could have been Vicious' star. it's the ambiguity that makes it great.

the only death everyone cares about in TTGL is the death of Kamina, and Kamina is put up as a sacrificial hero early on so he is remembered in a certain way.

when Wolfwood died in Trigun there were still a few episodes left, and he was marked for death since the moment he was introduced in the show.

never finished Elfen Lied so i can't speak to that.

anyway, my point is about KLK exclusively - i don't see any good reason for any protagonist to die. there are 2 episodes left, the finale is upon us. i don't see how any of the heroes dying adds anything of value to the story at this point. mako dying would just be a pointless slap in the face. mako dying does not 'deconstruct' anything ( i hate this term and it is overused in anime fandom), it does not break any tropes or create any new ones, it would simply be a cruel trick. realistically speaking, satsuki is the character most likely to die in my book. but i would still be surprised if this happened.

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So far, Kill la Kill has been a really entertaining show which hasn't taken itself too seriously. However, in order to fully become as legendary Gurren Lagann and other anime at the top of many lists, it has to do something that will shake up its audience and make it unforgettable - something that the fans wouldn't necessarily predict. The most boring way in which this show could end would be the good guys winning without any form of sacrifice. It would make the ending forgettable and insinificant, even though it does suit the happy go lucky attitude of the show, and that would be a shame since it has been really great and innovative until now.

first of all, TTGL is overrated. i think calling it "legendary" is a bit too generous. TTGL is good, and it's a mid-tier introductory anime, but it's far from the best and it has a lot of weak points, flaws and inconsistencies.

second of all, TTGL and KLK should not be compared. they are in different genres, have different messages and take place in a different universe. the only similarities they share are their joy in excess, production style and art direction.

lastly, a show doesn't have to kill off characters to be unforgettable. i'm not going to bother listing a bunch of animes that succeed in memorable storytelling without having to kill off some of its cast members, you should be able to do that on your own. personally, i'd be far more impressed if they managed to make a great finale without having to kill off a beloved character. that's the cheap and easy option. a real twist would be something no one would be able to guess.

but i won't be disappointed if it does have a happy ending. there is nothing wrong with happy endings, and i would rather there be a happy ending if their only other route is a grimdark bloodbath for the sake of being edgy.

man ive never seen anyone want a character to die so much

mako is so charming kott, why

I don't even want to overhype Gurren Lagann, the point is simply that many people do consider it one of their favorites and it does have a certain rank in the anime community and it does have its moments. Regarding your second point, I don't get the whole x and y shouldn't be compared discussion... There are a lot of people comparing those two shows in all kinds of ways and a lot of people getting mad at those who do so and arguing that it shouldn't be done. It's another anime by the same creators, a similar art and animation style and mostly the same genres (action and comedy). Naturally, people will compare the two and I don't think there's anything wrong with that as long as you don't expect the new one to be just like the old one.

Furthermore, I would like to add that, of course, a show doesn't have to kill off a bunch of characters to be impactful, but this is a goddamn show about fighting, murder and a war between humans and clothing and until now there weren't many points where the lives of the characters that the fanbase likes and cares for actually seemed to be in danger. They bleed gallons, get their hearts ripped out, blown up in the center of bombs which destroy an entire stadium, beaten, burned, eaten and mindraped, but at the end of the day it seems like none of that has ever happened. Kill la Kill tries to walk a tightrope between thrilling battles and silly comedy and so far they have succeeded. At this moment, all of the characters seem more or less involunerable to the majority of the fanbase, and apparently you are no exception to that. Am I a fan of character deaths? Not necessarily, but if they are executed well (they rarely are), they can be very powerful. The very reason why Kill la Kill does have the potential for such a move at this point is that it has its audience believing that, no matter what happens, the characters will always get back on their feet and keep on fighting with the fun and comedic aspect prevailing over the twisted and dark undertones. As soon as they actually decide to make it happen, the twist will be extreme.

I do acknowledge that the method of simply killing off one of the main characters would be the easiest way to go from comedic to serious for the final fight and right now it does seem most likely that they will simply switch between those two opposites by showing two different fights on two different fronts, but if they want to create the ultimate thrill, they will need to increase the hatred for the antagonist a bit more and they will have to bring one more darkest hour upon the heroes - another rock bottom to rise from before they eventually defeat Ragyou. The problem is, that the fanbase really likes nearly every character in this show and I do understand your reasoning about certain character death being just a cheap means to acquire certain goals and a slap in the face for most fans, so if they would pull it off it would be a risky decision, but all in all a very impactful move. Most likely, one or two of the characters will appear to be dead at some point but later be revived or return in some way once everything's over and the mood has changed from serious to comedic again. Kill la Kill doesn't really seem to be the kind of show to end in a super edgy or bittersweet manner. But I'm still going to prepare for a major twist in the upcoming episode.

Ps: I wonder who's going to wear the ultimate godrobe. Wasn't Satsuki originally intended to be its energy source?

i'm tired of the KLK/TTGL comparisons because people were expecting them to have all these parallels and they don't. yes they both have comedy and action but those are pretty broad categories - i don't compare all action oriented shows with comedy because that would be a waste of time. TTGL is a mecha with relationship dramedy, KLK is a revenge story/secret sibling rivalry. the only really specific theme they share is that the protagonists are facing off vs some kind of alien space deity.

Quote from: Kött on March 19, 2014 05:41 PM
this is a goddamn show about fighting, murder

how is a show that features not a single murder about murder?

QuoteThey bleed gallons, get their hearts ripped out, blown up in the center of bombs which destroy an entire stadium, beaten, burned, eaten and mindraped, but at the end of the day it seems like none of that has ever happened. Kill la Kill tries to walk a tightrope between thrilling battles and silly comedy and so far they have succeeded. At this moment, all of the characters seem more or less involunerable to the majority of the fanbase, and apparently you are no exception to that.

well yes, of course, this is an animated series. i am willing to suspend my disbelief so long as a show remains consistent with the rules of its own universe. the premise of the show is far more absurd than the inhuman strength some of the characters seem to posses.

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Am I a fan of character deaths? Not necessarily, but if they are executed well (they rarely are), they can be very powerful. The very reason why Kill la Kill does have the potential for such a move at this point is that it has its audience believing that, no matter what happens, the characters will always get back on their feet and keep on fighting with the fun and comedic aspect prevailing over the twisted and dark undertones. As soon as they actually decide to make it happen, the twist will be extreme.

is a character dying really a plot twist, though? a twist would be more like "this character has actually been dead this whole time!" or something like that. a major character dying is a significant plot point, but it doesn't alter your perception of the earlier parts of the show like an actual plot twist would.

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if they want to create the ultimate thrill, they will need to increase the hatred for the antagonist a bit more and they will have to bring one more darkest hour upon the heroes - another rock bottom to rise from before they eventually defeat Ragyou.

ragyo and nui don't really need to be more hated than they already are, they have been successfully portrayed as soulless slaves to a living piece of fiber who will do anything to make certain that  humanity comes to an end. they have no compassion and no humanity.

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The problem is, that the fanbase really likes nearly every character in this show and I do understand your reasoning about certain character death being just a cheap means to acquire certain goals and a slap in the face for most fans, so if they would pull it off it would be a risky decision, but all in all a very impactful move. Most likely, one or two of the characters will appear to be dead at some point but later be revived or return in some way once everything's over and the mood has changed from serious to comedic again. Kill la Kill doesn't really seem to be the kind of show to end in a super edgy or bittersweet manner. But I'm still going to prepare for a major twist in the upcoming episode.

the next episode will most likely end on a cliffhanger where we think someone is dead and then we have to wait a week to see what happened.

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Ps: I wonder who's going to wear the ultimate godrobe. Wasn't Satsuki originally intended to be its energy source?

that thing looked way too big for one person

Quote from: rtil on March 19, 2014 10:24 PM
i'm tired of the KLK/TTGL comparisons because people were expecting them to have all these parallels and they don't. yes they both have comedy and action but those are pretty broad categories - i don't compare all action oriented shows with comedy because that would be a waste of time. TTGL is a mecha with relationship dramedy, KLK is a revenge story/secret sibling rivalry. the only really specific theme they share is that the protagonists are facing off vs some kind of alien space deity.

I never expected them to have any specific parallels but it is simply interesting to compare two separate works by the same group of people and if you look closely enough, they share plenty of different traits and aspects. It would be a mistake to expect a translation of the exact same story into a different universe (even a rough translation), because it simply wouldn't be very interesting. But it didn't seem very unlikely to expect a sudden character death in the middle of the show, considering that the two creators might simply reuse parts of their former formula of success. I admit that we are far past that point by now, though.

Quotehow is a show that features not a single murder about murder?

As you said, KlK is a revenge story. Maybe the word murder doesn't really hit the nail on the head, but I think it's pretty clear that I didn't mean to call it a crime story. It's a typical coming off age story about young girls in skimpy outfits, beating the shit out of each other while losing a lot of blood. There. I like the ambiguity in that one. What I was basically trying to say is that, while it is rather cartoonish and comedic, the show can be quite violent.

Quoteis a character dying really a plot twist, though? a twist would be more like "this character has actually been dead this whole time!" or something like that. a major character dying is a significant plot point, but it doesn't alter your perception of the earlier parts of the show like an actual plot twist would.

That is a good point. But if the protagonist of a story, whom the story was mainly about, dies, the plot certainly has to forcefully change, at least if the viewer is fooled to believe that the story is going to follow the actions and deeds of that protagonist until the very end. I think in regards to Kamina's death in Gurren Lagann or in regards to Mami's death on Madoka, one can definitely speak of a plot twist, since both stories take an entirely new turn from those points on and the fundamental laws of the respective universes are challanged (oh shit, they actually die in a show like this?). My point was that the effect would be similar in Kill la Kill, but at this point (you are right about that), it would rather be a plot point of the finale than an actual twist, as the story is slowly coming to an end. None of the objectives of both sides would change if any character would die so it wouldn't really have a lot of relevance for the plot.

Quotethe next episode will most likely end on a cliffhanger where we think someone is dead and then we have to wait a week to see what happened.

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Ps: I wonder who's going to wear the ultimate godrobe. Wasn't Satsuki originally intended to be its energy source?

that thing looked way too big for one person

That doesn't mean that it cannot be used/activated by a single person. If I remember correctly, Ragyou kept Satsuki alive because she needed her for the completition of the ultimate godrobe. If I would have to guess, I would say it's part of Ragyou's ultimate form, knowing that she is the only third character confirmed to be able to handle the godrobes... but that would be a bit too easy I guess.

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one more episode to go...

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Quote from: Kött on March 19, 2014 05:41 PM
this is a goddamn show about fighting, murder

how is a show that features not a single murder about murder?

Not that I'm agreeing with Kott, because personally I think if a character were going to die they would've done so like 6 episodes ago (I do think TTGL is pretty legendary though)

but I thought I'd point out that there is in fact a single murder in the series, and it's from episode one, where Gamagoori killed and hung that one kid for stealing a uniform. Seems like most people forgot that, but that one incident is why I was expecting the series to have a much darker tone overall. The four devas are all loveable and awesome now, but they did kind of murder a student who pretty much had no other option than being at Hannouji academy and just wanted to escape. Idk, somehow that's pretty unsettling to me, and a very clear indicator that Trigger is pretty much just making shit up as they go along. I feel like they might have intended to go the TTGL route and kill one or two characters along the way, but backed off when they realized there wasn't anyone they could kill that the fans cared about without seriously pissing off part of the fanbase.

i guess that's true, although we didn't see it happen, we just saw a dead guy. still, that makes him the first dead guy in the show i think. besides ryuko's dad? who i guess was murdered in a flash back.

also, there were a couple satsuki death flags raised near the end of this episode, so i'm a little worried about the finale.

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Quote from: rtil on March 19, 2014 10:24 PM

Quote from: Kött on March 19, 2014 05:41 PM
this is a goddamn show about fighting, murder

how is a show that features not a single murder about murder?

but I thought I'd point out that there is in fact a single murder in the series, and it's from episode one, where Gamagoori killed and hung that one kid for stealing a uniform. Seems like most people forgot that, but that one incident is why I was expecting the series to have a much darker tone overall. The four devas are all loveable and awesome now, but they did kind of murder a student who pretty much had no other option than being at Hannouji academy and just wanted to escape. Idk, somehow that's pretty unsettling to me, and a very clear indicator that Trigger is pretty much just making shit up as they go along. I feel like they might have intended to go the TTGL route and kill one or two characters along the way, but backed off when they realized there wasn't anyone they could kill that the fans cared about without seriously pissing off part of the fanbase.

I completely forgot about that incident... yes, he was dead (Mako actually mentioned in the first episode that the student council had killed him) but at this point it simply seems so absurd since Satsuki and her subordinates have turned out to be the "good guys". Maybe that binary distinction between black and white is a bit too simple for Kill la Kill, but right now the show simply suggests to finish with a classic good vs. evil battle.
This wouldn't necessarily be a questionable thing but considering what kind of role Satsuki and her team have played before the betrayal, it just appears to be a tad too simple.

Of course it could be argued that Satsuki only acted the way she did before backstabbing her mother because she wanted to feign total obedience to Ragyou in order to make sure that she wouldn't uncover her secret plans at all costs. We have already seen that this has been one of her strongest motifs so far, but why would she impose such a harsh penalty on someone who could be dealt with in a much less strict fashion?
When Meiko in episode 4 was caught making plans to overthrow Satsukis reign and betray the entire academy, she was merely expelled and even the battles during the field trip/war were always comedic in nature, never suggesting the idea of people dying. Then again, we did see a lot of gunfire, explosions and destroyed buildings. Satsuki is a classical dictator who uses all the means she can to achieve victory and even when she shows her true colors in front of her mother by attacking her she doesn't change her attitude: "Fear is freedom! Control is liberty! Contradiction is truth! That is the reality of this world! Listen well, you pig that serves clothing, and bow before that fact!"
So, does that mean that she and her attitude have changed throughout the past episodes? If this was true, it would contradict her declaration that training Ryuko to fight by her side was her intention from the beginning.
Or was it simply a bluff to keep posing as the strict dictator to hide her actual intention of training Ryuko?  If this was true, it would mean that she knew from the beginning that she would lose this first battle against her mother despite her surprise attack (which seems a bit too convenient for my taste). Or is she just conveniently going along with the flow to retake her throne once her biggest enemy has been dealt with? This would mean that her revelation about her intention to train Ryouko was actually a bluff and she might actually betray Ryuko as soon as the final battle against Ragyou is over... but could the conclusion really be that twisted? She would require the assistance of any of her servants against the remaining rebels and Ryuko's team after having fought together with them against a common enemy. As twisted as this seems right now, it would actually lead back to the WWII analogy from the very first episodes. Sure, they only mentioned the rise of fascism and how Hitler seized power, but historically the chapter ends with the Cold War between the victorious powers. This might be a bit farfetched, but keep in mind that I'm just trying to fill out the plot holes and stitch the story together. It seems impossible to wrap all of that up in one episode and the way trigger will conclude this show will probably be way simpler, but I'm still wondering if they are going to make an effort to answer these questions.

Quote from: rtil on March 22, 2014 07:41 AM
i guess that's true, although we didn't see it happen, we just saw a dead guy. still, that makes him the first dead guy in the show i think. besides ryuko's dad? who i guess was murdered in a flash back.

I was mainly referring to Ryuko's dad as well of the title of the show, which could be interpreted as. Killer kill (revenging the father by slaying his murderers). That his death took place before the point on which the show had started doesn't make him less of a guy who got killed... unless (and I think this might be important) we are still considering the possibility of this flashback being an implanted memory or incomplete. I still think there's something wrong with Satsuki's flashback about meeting her father. Firstly (as previously elaborated) her fathers appearance at that time should have been that of Matoi Isshin, and secondly, we can see a different man in the flashback at the beginning of episode 3:

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So, who is the man in the first flash back? It might as well just be a stylistic device or a production error... but I don't know what kind of purely stylistic use it would have had to give him different appearances in the same flashback and as for the latter possibility, I don't think trigger would make such grave mistakes...

As for the rest of the plot holes and open questions that I can recall, it's gonna be a lot to wrap up in this remaining episode.

• We still don't know the origin of Senketsu and who or what exactly he is
• The same goes for Junketsu, who hasn't even said a single word yet
• Ragyou's background story remains a mystery as well. All we know is that she is the head of her family's clan. A successor of a bloodline of fiber beings who was chosen to awaken the original life fiber. But why was it so different for her to conceive a child of her own species? Was it the same for her ancestors? What's the story behind the scars on her back? Etc.
• The purpose of her experiments seemed to be to create another fiber being of her bloodline. But what exactly did she even need a child for in the first place?
• Later on, why did she spare Satsuki when she had the chance to kill her?

These are just a couple of things on my mind, but I'm pretty sure there are more open questions than just these... and I really wonder if they will manage to cover these points along with the final battle and a nice conclusion of the series in the remaining episode. But it's been a blast so far and I don't think they will fuck it up considering how well they have entertained us until now. Fight on Trigger!

Quote from: rtil on March 22, 2014 07:41 AM
also, there were a couple satsuki death flags raised near the end of this episode, so i'm a little worried about the finale.

I'm not really sure what exactly you are refering to... Could you elaborate?
At that one point in this week's episode I really thought that's it for Ryuko, but these close to death situations seem to become more and more frequent and more and more messed up in general. I expect a couple of more in the final episode, but it would surprise me if they would kill off any of their characters so close to the end of the show. Satsuki would be a possible candidate, as she is the elder sister and as she might have a certain motif of atonement (but again, that might be a bit farfetched). Ryouko's death is even more likely, since she would be the last life fiber being and the only remaining potential danger on earth after the annihilation of Ragyou's forces. Killing anyone else wouldn't really make any sense at this point.

i think you are kind of over-analyzing everything. it's safe to say that they may have made up a few things as they went along and KLK definitely has some plot holes. most series and films do, but they're usually not glaring enough that it ruins the immersion. and KLK is so out there i think it gets a pass.

Quote from: Kött on March 22, 2014 10:40 PM

Quote from: rtil on March 22, 2014 07:41 AM
also, there were a couple satsuki death flags raised near the end of this episode, so i'm a little worried about the finale.

I'm not really sure what exactly you are refering to... Could you elaborate?

at the end of the episode, Satsuki says not to smash the cups because they're coming back alive. then she talks to the butler about having the water boiling for her when she comes back. then she promises Mako's family that she will protect her. that's basically three death flags in a row right there.

i hope she doesn't die, but characters who talk about not dying or promising to return often don't.

I noticed that as well, being reminded of episode 17 where she and her Devas did smash the cups and somehow got out of it unharmed. Showing less determination before the final battle does seem rather ironic and not really appropriate... usually, the characters in action shows like these become crazier and more reckless the further they get... the reason why I would find this kind of death flag kinda lame is because they have done it before in Gurren Lagann and it generally seems a bit too predictable for a show like Kill la Kill, but it certainly does seems fishy...

so far, though, KLK has been very predictable. at least it has been to me. but that doesn't make it any less enjoyable.

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Quote from: rtil on March 23, 2014 03:37 AM
so far, though, KLK has been very predictable. at least it has been to me. but that doesn't make it any less enjoyable.

Maybe in regards to the big picture...

Satsuki not being the final boss: Predictable
Ryuko and Satsuki eventually teaming up: Predictable
Satsuki and Ryuko having a hidden connection: Predictable
Later on: Both of them being siblings/having the same father: Predictable
Satsuki's plan of letting Ryuko fight her team and herself in order to train her: Predictable

There are always predictable parts when it comes to the main storyline, but in regards to the single episodes the twists were employed quite well, albeit in a rather wacky manner in many cases. But recall the separate episodes. Episode 5 by itself had more twists in it than many well directed final episodes of other shows that I know and it's just one out of many examples.

As for the conclusion of the show, I really doubt that it's going to be as predictable as the points mentioned in the list... There are many unanswered question which make room for major twists and the end of the show could literally be anything. According to interviews with the creators, the first ending is somehow going to have a connection with the way the show concludes, but it just seems so metaphorical that it doesn't really give many hints at all.

We still have the open question about what happens after Ryuko defeats and opponent and strips them of their clothes. All we can see is that a red string of life fiber is somehow absorbed, but as of yet, we haven't seen any explanation in regards to this phenomenon. Then there's Dr. Matoi's prediction of a terrible fate awaiting his daughter if she decided to find his father's murderer in one of the earlier episodes. Some people came up with the theory that it is not Senketsu but Ryuko who absorbs the life fibres of her fallen opponents and the final way to beat the life fibers might be her own death/suicide after the final foe has been defeated. Interesting, but rather dark and twisted compared with the general tone of this show so far...

On a side note: There are hints that the one who killed Dr. Matio was Satsuki (at least physically). Maybe it was just Trigger being unsure at that point about how to continue the story or creating additional red herrings, but think about the following: We already know that Nui can control people with her strings and there is a brief moment in episode 11 where she demonstrates that she can as well control Satsuki in a split screen gag scene which is immediately deconstructed by the reactions of her four Devas. The silhouette that we can see in the brief flashback in episode 11 looks like that of Satsuki rather than that of Nui. In episode 1, the silhouette is a bit more ambiguous, but the scissor sword's color is blue. Although, this would bring up the new question about how Nui has really lost her eye. It would make sense because Dr. Matoi only attacked her with one half of the scissors when he injured her eye, so technically it should have regenerated. Maybe Nui lied or her own memory was rewritten, but there might also be something about Satsuki that we don't know yet. This means that we might be in for another big twist.

The simplest way the show could end would be with good triumphing over evil without a single sacrifice. One more epic battle, a couple of additional near death experiences for some of the most popular characters but turning tables for the good guys just before the battle is lost. Ragyou was able to fend off Ryuko and Satsuki in their transformed form without much effort and that was before she herself was synchronized. Now, that she has the ultimate god robe there's gotta be some final power up for the good guys to be achieved during the last battle before they will be able to beat her. Some people predicted that Junketsu and Senketsu have yet to reach their final forms with Senketsu's eye patch coming off and Junketsu receiving additional eyes. The idea is based on a scene from the second opening in which both of them are entangled in life fibers and the eyes of their Kamuis appear in the background in the described manner. Another major power up would be the late activation of Satsuki's fiber powers. As we have seen, Ryuko supposedly died as a baby before her powers had activated. My guess is that Satsuki might be killed as well and then be saved by her hidden powers out of nowhere. The whole death flag thing seems more like another red herring to me  to make us think that she really will be dead for good as soon as it happens in the next episode.

Do you guys have any predictions or theories for the final episode?

i'm hoping for a panty and stocking ending

Quote from: stusader on March 23, 2014 09:50 PM
i'm hoping for a panty and stocking ending

a gainax ending is the last thing i'm hoping for personally. it doesn't fit the nature of the show. p&swg didn't take itself as seriously so it was more appropriate to do something like that. i think KLK deserves a proper ending.

how do i think it will end? ragyo and nui will activate their trap card as they are in desperation mode and their plans have already been mostly ruined because of the original life fiber being dead, and for a moment our heroes will enter their darkest hour and it looks like all hope is lost, but then somebody powers up and we get to see the coolest final super mega attack, turning ragyo and nui into fountains of blood. everyone lives happily ever after and shippers everywhere rejoice. fanart resumes as normal.

satsuki said not to underestimate imitations, ragyo already made that mistake and ryuko has had her turn to shine so i suppose it is satsuki's turn now.

i'm not saying that kill la kill doesn't deserve a proper ending but i would be a little disappointed if it ends entirely next episode. i feel like the build up has been a little much throughout the course of the show for everything to be wrapped up perfectly in 20 minutes. obviously this is just my opinion but the show doesn't nearly feel over to me so any gainax bullshit is welcome at this point. whatever happens i'll still love the series for what it is regardless and have enjoyed the opportunity to watch it from start to finish.

it would be nice to be proven otherwise but i won't know how i feel until thursday.

It does seem a bit odd, yes... They will have to deliver a decent boss fight, at least one significant power up for one of the good guys, the death or a similar kind of incapacitation for the remaining bad guys and a brief part about how life goes on for the good guys plus a lot of revealations and explanations in regards to the open questions.
The biggest and most obvious question mark seems to be the scarred back of Ragyou, which heavily implies that she is merely a servant of an even more powerful villain, but as much as I like the show, I would be pissed if it ended with a cliffhanger and a 'to be continued' note. Way too many studios in these days make the mistake of simply dragging shit out way past its peak and it just goes downhill or gets dull after a certain amount of episodes. Also, while I don't think it's wrong to compare this show to Gurren Lagann, I wouldn't want a goddamn clone.

if they skip the OP and roll the credits over more animation they could get a lot more done. and an ova episode could tie up any loose ends. i don't think it needs another season tbh. it's already topped out in terms of boss battles. if they get any more crazy it's going to suffer from dbz syndrome.

i'd rather see a movie than anything but i doubt that will happen

The problem that I have with movies is that they take ages to produce and even longer until they are released on BD and DVD and available to us gaijins. As much as I appreciate the choice for a franchise as Madoka, for instance, (although it might have been better off without a continuation) the fact that the fourth movie hasn't even been announced just drives me crazy.
[spoiler]...especially considering how the third one ended.[/spoiler]

not to get off topic but ugh rebellion was so mediocre

I fucking loved every second of it, but yeah... the first half was basically fanservice the second half and the ending pretty much disrupted all previous events and challenge the wonderful conclusion of the first movies/the series and Homura's character development from badass to batshit insane seems a bit extreme. The big twists weren't as awesome and surprising as those from the original series, but I still really loved the way they executed it and the visuals as well as the soundtrack are simply beautiful.

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I actually did think about going for Gamagori on the next con, but I am fucking short (5'8")... Wouldn't have much of an impact as a fucking dwarf. Then again... it might work like this...
Nudist beach might be cool as well and much cheaper, but it would take some more balls.

Ok, short update: The soundtrack contains another song of which only really short and insignificant parts have been played so far and it leads me to another final theory about what will happen in the final episode.

(while it is a mere theory, it is based on actual material in regards to the show which hasn't completely been revealed in the anime yet, so proceed at your own discretion)
[spoiler]It's called "Till I Die" and here's how it sounds:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7NT-rTpOQA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7NT-rTpOQA)

On another note, I read somewhere that the creators actually mentioned in an interview that the show's going to have a bittersweet ending (but I haven't found any evidence to confirm that information yet... well, we will see).


[spoiler]If I'd have to guess I would say that Senketsu's gonna disappear once the battle is over or sacrifice himself for Ryuko. "I meant to be your piece until I die" almost seems too obvious and he is one of the few characters whose "death" wouldn't leave the fanbase in utter despair or madness.[/spoiler][/spoiler]

I'm going to watch the final episode in two days from now. Probably not going to return as soon as the episode has been released to avoid spoiling myself so this will by my final shot at predicting something about this show.

hmm i never thought about the possibility of that happening but it makes sense now that you mention it. i also won't be seeing the final episode until friday so i'll be avoiding spoilerific sites like tumblr until then.

so, any opinions on the end?

It was fun. Surprised there wasn't an epilogue, but maybe EP 25 will have it.

i feel pretty much how i thought i would. not really all that satisfied considering it didn't bring anything new to the table, but it's nothing i didn't expect.

i had a lot more hope for this series at the beginning but it ended up being pretty generic. i'm sure people will disagree.

Quote from: Gilthwixt on March 28, 2014 05:21 AM
EP 25

apparently the bluray's supposed to have some unaired 'extra' episode but i don't know if i'm expecting an episode 25.

lol date.

i don't think its too important but
[spoiler]rei hououmaru just kinda disappeared after she was ripped out of ragyo during the ground battle[/spoiler]

Quote from: Binary_2 on March 28, 2014 08:47 PM
lol date.

probably

It's really hard for me to judge the show as a whole after this ending...
I enjoyed the final episode, but it hasn't shaken me up as much as I thought it would... Apart from wrapping up the war between covers and mankind it felt just as 'epic' as many other good episodes (the dilemma being that Kill la Kill had a lot of those) and by 'epic' I mean well directed and fun to watch, but it was simply missing something to surprise me and it didn't tie up any of the loose ends that I had on my mind. Something like a final major plot twist that gives the viewer a whole new perspective on the previous events or when rewatching the show.
I also expected a bit more atmosphere/feels for Senketsu's death/disappearance. They didn't even play the damn song and his goodbye felt a bit rushed and forced. They didn't really explain why he vanished, did they?
Furthermore, the Barbie doll anatomy in this episode really bugged me for some reason (it's a goddamn show about nakedness and feminine charms, and if you don't have the balls to show some nipples, you should at least have the decency to properly censor them).
On the other hand, I really liked how everyone worked together in this final episode and I liked the idea of combining the Kamuis and the other uniforms and the catch Ryuko scene was pretty nice as well. The ending/epilogue was cute, but it didn't really tell much about how life goes on for everyone and it seemed a tad too generic considering how the show started... ohwait, detail. Looking at Gamagori's getup and his constitution, it looks like he's about to confess.  :sup:

As for Kill la Kill as a whole, I think the main problem of this show was that it constantly creates new small elements which seem like important details for the later story but are then completely dropped and never mentioned again (such as the scars on Ragyou's back, the different color of the fiber hybrids' hearts, the whole wedding dress story, Ryuko's outburst etc.). Especially be background story behind some characters would have interested me a lot but we barely get to know anything about most of the bad characters, for instance, their quirks and features and why they act the way they do.
Instead of using twists that concern the entire story and have serious consequences for the entire plot, Kill la Kill has always been driven by sudden, small twists in the middle of an episode, which have either been immediately reverted (i.e. several almost-character-deaths) or have had little impact on the plot as a whole (i.e. Sanageyama's wondrous enlightenment). But I can't really say that I disliked that... every single episode had me entertained and I have always had great anticipation for the next episode. Kill la Kill has stayed loyal to its comedic formula and not drifted off into some super edgy gap, but because of that reason it's really hard to take its other, epic, more serious and dark side as seriously as I personally would have liked to. In retrospect it seems like none of the good guys ever was in serious danger and that just makes the whole show seem a bit weaker considering how often it actually looked like one of the important characters would die. It's like they were trying to create those shock and sadness moments but too afraid to actually go through with it.
I guess I simply kept expecting the big wham episode where this innocence of the KlK universe would be changed into a certain dark reality as earlier episodes as well as the premise as a whole actually hinted at such a twist.

Still, this anime was a really good watch, very original and funny and got me hyped up every week for the past months. Solid 9/10

regarding the OVA
TVアニメ「キルラキル」第25話予告(19秒ver.) Kill la Kill episode 25 preview short preview (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1kabfn)

Quote"The fight of the fated sisters has ended, but there is one story we've neglected to tell - the various tales of graduating from Honnouji Academy. Kill la Kill episode 25, a second farewell, a completely original work, will be bundled with the September 3rd release of the 9th BD/DVD."

thoughts on ending [anything past this point is spoilers, not going to spoiler the entire thing since if you are reading this page you should have already seen it]

it did feel a little rushed but i'm glad it ended where it did. there does come a point when absurdity in a show can get out of hand and i think TTGL suffered from that heavily in its last arc and had a lot less impact than its humble beginnings. we got one final "super saiyan" battle and that was the end of it. and i did like the last conversation between ragyo and ryuko and why they are complete opposites - ragyo basically saying that none of this matters and everything will come to an end some day, and ryuko is only delaying the inevitable. but ryuko said that humans will still continue being humans, she clearly doesn't care about things on that scale for better or worse.

although it is true there are a lot of loose ends that they never touched on again, and i doubt they will in the OVA but i will just assume they figured it wasn't important and left it to our imagination because they only had time for the main storyline. there are actually a lot of questions i have about things that were hinted at but nobody has the answers so i'm not going to bother.

i like how nudist beach's attacks were pretty much always ineffective, they were probably the most useless fighters in the whole show, even mako was better at warding off covers than them. but they did give everyone a place of refuge in their darkest hour so they get a pass.

overall KLK was a huge breath of fresh air, there's really nothing like it and i doubt there ever will be again - it never took itself too seriously but maintained a huge amount of interest and suspense, and for that alone it is very special. sad to see it go but it did what it set out to do. i doubt anyone will agree with me here but since no one will stop with the comparisons i might as well chip in and say i think it is better than TTGL. it was strong from start to finish, never running out of steam or taking any awkward steps in the plot that would be out of place (like politics and government). where TTGL failed to live up to its own expectations after a huge timeskip, KLK steamed right on ahead from arc to arc. it was intense, it was hilarious, it was full of energy. the plot was insane, the battles were epic, the heroes were lovable, the villains were inhumanely evil, it was a successful exercise in excess. too often these shows try to get super serious at some point and it comes off as unintentionally hilarious and ham-fisted, and while KLK did have its touching moments they were brief and charming. at times i think it did feel a little bit like they were making everything up as they went along, yet somehow it all worked. i give it an 8/10, which is i believe is the same score i gave TTGL, but i give KLK the edge for staying consistently good.

it would be fair to point out that i gave klk an 8/10 as well, because regardless of how i feel it was an above average series. i don't really like comparing this show to ttgl either, but i would say that i felt ttgl had notably more heart than klk even though it gets kind of strong on that near the end. i would agree that it's nice to see an anime like ttgl that didn't take itself too seriously, but in this case i feel like not taking yourself seriously just leads to a lack of closure and me not remembering your show very well except for tits, clothes, and that the good guys win. it's not like this is the first time i've seen a 'power level' anime that doesn't take itself seriously and at this point i think it's more than a bit overdone. the end was pretty much ttgl's ending despite all the other details. the intensity of the pacing was probably my favourite part of the whole series.

all the designs were very original though and for that i commend... mostly sushio.

i don't recall TTGL's ending being anywhere near as happy as KLK's.

that's mostly why i said despite all the other details. i still think they had the same idea in what the main characters were getting across after the final battle. the characters were obviously left with different situations but i was referring to what the main good/main bad were discussing. i really don't think what ryuko goes on to say at the end to ragyo is all that different from what simon says, except that it's about clothes and humans instead of, well, drills and humans. maybe i'm pushing it a bit but i don't think i'm the only person who would say that they get very similar in feeling near the end. i would say that ttgl was a bit more intense and had a bit more closure too.

i don't mean to imply that ttgl is the most original thing ever at all, or something that all things should be held up to, but i doubt i'd be so critical towards kill la kill's wrap up if ttgl didn't already exist and may as well have a literal connection to it with hiroyuki imaishi on board.

i guess it's just another case of me being the only person who doesn't think ttgl is a masterpiece

i wouldn't call either a masterpiece but i would say they're both pretty good in their own respects

i just liked ttgl because manliness and i liked kill la kill because ladies

Quote from: stusader on March 29, 2014 01:36 PM
it would be fair to point out that i gave klk an 8/10 as well, because regardless of how i feel it was an above average series.

I think some of you are being a bit too objective with this show. What counts at the end of the day is how well a show has entertained me as an individual, not how many flaws and weaknesses it had despite all that. The fact that you feel about a show in a certain way is the product of its content and its execution and while there are many things to criticize about kill la kill it is still an amazing show for what it is.
I expected a much darker second half and much more drama in the later episodes simply because I was trying to find the same kind of heart in it that made me enjoy TTGL, however, KlK was never intended to be that twisted but much more cheerful instead.

The reason why TTGL seems to have more heart in it for many people is based on those grim twists and the character death (which I also falsely predicted for KlK). I guess they kinda tried to pull it off with Senketsu's 'death', but the moment of his farewell was too rushed to fully sink in and I guess we knew too little about him to be as emotionally blown away about it as about Kamina's death, which had a major impact on the plot and a fully developed (albeit rather clichéd) character with a complete background story behind it. Senketsu kinda vanished before we even got to know what he really was and how his personality, his emotions and his entire character had come into existence. I think the event of his death was supposed to be way more tragic than most of us perceived it to be, since he had clearly shown a capability of emotions and a strong bond of friendship to all of the main characters. He even saved their lives on several occasions. In fact, he is an extremely tragic character, but it feels so hard to take this seriously when he is essentially just a piece of clothing and that's a bit of a shame. What he was or is still missing is some kind of tragic background story to completely shift the audience's views about him, if you know what I mean...
They did that pretty well in Kanon 2006. Introducing a character to the audience who always seems a bit mysterious at first, allowing the audience to get to know that character a bit better and to form a relationship, confronting the character with some kind of devastating situation, THEN explaining the character's background story and AFTER THAT delivering the final blow. And the second last step is exactly what was missing for Senketsu's death to be impactful.

It's funny, isn't it? A main character has actually died in this final episode and none of us really seems to find it important enough to discuss it in this thread. I think this was Triggers biggest mistake, but if they are clever, they might actually thematize it in the OVA (which I really hope). Nothing would be better than a belated heart wrenching epilogue, making it clear to the audience how tragic but necessary Senketsu's sacrifice really was.
Then again, it's mainly a comedy show, so I'm not getting my hopes up too high for that to happen.

Other than being completely underwhelming, I don't really think there's much to say about the ending. Don't get me wrong - I liked Kill la Kill, just not the ending

Quote from: Kött on March 30, 2014 01:59 PM

It's funny, isn't it? A main character has actually died in this final episode and none of us really seems to find it important enough to discuss it in this thread. I think this was Triggers biggest mistake, but if they are clever, they might actually thematize it in the OVA (which I really hope). Nothing would be better than a belated heart wrenching epilogue, making it clear to the audience how tragic but necessary Senketsu's sacrifice really was.

to be fair, senketsu was a talking piece of clothing from space.. or something. it's harder to establish the same level of empathy with a character like senketsu then it is a person. what bothers me more is the fact that senketsu seemed to be the only talking godrobe. junketsu was self-aware to some extent, but we never heard it talk, and afaik it never spoke to satsuki. senketsu was able to communicate to 3 people in KLK. i think the most tragic thing is that it was the last piece of her father that ryuko had, and i thought it was pretty obvious that he had served his purpose and was designed to sort of self-destruct after achieving it.

the epilogue is probably not going to do anything like that, it's very clear that it's going to be about the characters' lives after graduating from Honnouji Academy, it probably won't be much more than a slice of life type episode. if they were going to bother explaining all the loose ends they'd need more than a single episode to do it properly.

I'm pretty sure that it's going to have a slice of life-ish premise, but it would be weird if it wouldn't also deal with the loss of Senketsu and how Ryuko's trying to come to terms with her past. All she had been doing up until the end was to fight in order to find out who she is and how she can achieve happiness. She's like a veteran returning from a long war and the way she was staring at the sky indicated that she was still missing the past days and longing for some final answers. Maybe I'm overanalyzing it a bit too much, but I don't think and I don't hope the OVA will be another Kira-esque episode full of fanservice and happy lucky dochy yes yes yes (although it wouldn't even be that surprising or terrible for a show like Kill la Kill).
I'm not expecting Clannad 2.0, but we shall see... (in half a year)

i got a much happier vibe from the ending credits. yea she kinda looked sad when she saw that sailor uniform but she also smiled when she turned around and the rest of it was very cheery. she may be content with the fact that her original quest for revenge was just a smaller part of the picture and she can live a happy life now, even if she may never completely know what happened.

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Nonon is still <3

Kill la Kill Official English Dubbed Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLhE2EhuoZ8#ws)

nonon is perfect
everything else? really hard to say right now. i'd like to see a prolonged clip from an episode instead of little snippets

i'm really curious what eye patch bitch and ragyo will sound like

I agree they got Nonon pretty spot on. Satsuki... not so much.

when i first heard that klk was getting dubbed, i immediately thought, "holy shit, i hope sarah williams voices nonon" and it looks like i got my wish

sarah williams was peacock in skullgirls and sayaka in the madoka dub, among other roles. she hung out with some of us when we got ramen in LA last summer, and listening to her talk normally, her voice is like made to voice cartoons

actually to be honest, i think all of the elite four sound pretty good, i think sarah just kinda stole the show there actually. the only one im not really sure about is gamagoori. also sanageyama might be disappointing in the future, since we haven't heard his scream yet. i'm not sure if any american voice actor can scream like hiyama. senketsu sounds really good to me too actually the more i listen to it, he just doesnt sound like the previous senketsu. instead, he kinda sounds younger, which i honestly don't have a problem with

when you think about it what the hell is a living shirt supposed to sound like anyway. in that respect i guess i don't have a problem with senketsu sounding totally different.

Quote from: rtil on May 30, 2014 10:04 PM
when you think about it what the hell is a living shirt supposed to sound like anyway

get a voice actor who can vocally imitate the sound of clothing flapping around

i think gamagoori's voice would be perfect if it were just a little bit lower, but i like it as it is now well enough

ryuuko's voice is audio tapioca though

Quote from: valiums on May 31, 2014 04:23 AM
ryuuko's voice is audio tapioca though

Is that good or bad? I have no idea if you like Tapioca, so...

baaaaaaaaad


[spoiler]i love tapioca (pudding) but it is apparently the most boring food ever created so   :|[/spoiler]

it is kind of generic, and she usually plays young boys, but i think it does fit her character. ryuko is supposed to be edgy. some of the things she says in japanese are bound to be more cringey in english.

Didn't read any of the posts here; Just wanted to post saying that I'm going to start watching Kill La Kill tonight, and get on track with everyone else. :P

I feel like this is the kind of thing Bam would post but I couldn't stop laughing so I had to share:

wtf gamagoori would destroy her with or without that thing

He does it with Nonon in the full thing. Distention-city.

poor mako T_T

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wait this show is already getting a dub? fuck, i am very late with this show. i'm mildly curious. who's licensing it? please tell me it is someone else besides funimation.

it's Aniplex.
Kill la Kill Official English Dubbed Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLhE2EhuoZ8#ws)

Kill La Kill English Dub Clip- Satsuki vs Ryuko (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpJWEDimf8#ws)

Wow.
The official English Dubbed Trailer is not available in Germany
Great marteking there, assholes!

To be fair, there will be a German dub, but still...

Oh god satsuki's voice is nooooooooooo, ryuuko's is okay. after hearing the enthusiasm in gamgori's voice I can't acceppt these others.

English voices are okay, I think. Some are better than others. I know the BD are released in Japan as of now, I just wonder when they'll shipped to the states. Probably after the English release is complete. This is probably the first time I'm going to buy the dvd/bd box set for a show that's new.

The OVA was released yesterday.
Pacing's pretty insane, but I guess Trigger delivered.

Damn... now I'm realizing how much I've missed this silly show...

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I was waiting for someone to bump this thread because, late to the party as always, I just finished watching it a couple of days ago. :p
Have to say I really enjoyed it, especially after they were done with the unnecessary creepiness/rapiness of the early episodes and the huge discussion we were having didn't apply to anything after the seventh episode or so. I was kinda annoyed at Ryuko getting the shit beat out of her and never getting a second chance against certain characters but that was redeemed for me towards the end of the show, what with her being so clearly overpowered.

All in all it was really fun and had a lot of endearing characters. The plot holes some of you mentioned in this thread don't bother me at all, to be honest I actually thought this show paid a little too much attention to its stream-of-consciousness storyline...Which seems to be about revenge and murder but it's actually about clothing.

well @Flash (http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=954) , you finished just in time for the ova! most of us had to wait 7 months for it. regarding the ova, i liked it , and i'm glad they brought back [spoiler]rei as the villain[/spoiler]. i also liked the theme of the episode, and it brought a little more closure with it. would have liked to see some gamako stuff, but eh what can you do. i'll just assume they all move to the same town together and live happy lives.

I FUCKING CALLED IT  B)

well.. everyone knew she was alive. at least that's what i assumed

to be fair, i didn't expect
[spoiler]her being redeemed rather than finished off.[/spoiler]
that was a cute touch.

she's such a sheep, it's so adorable

I thought episode 24's ending montage took place in honno city, but satsuki cutting her hair at the end of the ova means it couldn't have. why must they do this to me? why must they create a short-hair-related plot-hole?

Quote from: Flash on September  8, 2014 02:01 AM
I thought episode 24's ending montage took place in honno city, but satsuki cutting her hair at the end of the ova means it couldn't have. why must they do this to me? why must they create a short-hair-related plot-hole?

are you sure about that? cuz right after the credits start rolling we see this sequence:
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and then they start playing the date sequences in a much nicer looking city outside of where Honnouji Academy was.

Holy shit, I never noticed that...
I mean it was pretty clear what happened to the island at the end of the OVA but I completely overlooked this in the final episode.
Too bad they never explained the other plot holes. Senketsu backstory would've been nice but the OVA still turned out way better than I anticipated.

there's a couple things about klk's plot that kind of bug me, but not enough for it to ruin my enjoyment of the series. the biggest thing for me was how utterly useless Nudist Beach ended up being. in the first half of the series they felt like a legitimate threat and something bigger than everything else going on, but by the end they had been reduced to a literal joke. like the whole 'DTR' thing. even in the OVA they had no use for them.

Quote from: rtil on September  8, 2014 11:19 PM
there's a couple things about klk's plot that kind of bug me, but not enough for it to ruin my enjoyment of the series. the biggest thing for me was how utterly useless Nudist Beach ended up being. in the first half of the series they felt like a legitimate threat and something bigger than everything else going on, but by the end they had been reduced to a literal joke. like the whole 'DTR' thing. even in the OVA they had no use for them.

You get this strong feeling that Trigger played the plot by ear. I have to wonder if the character polls didn't have something to do with how plot threads played out. Tsumugu seemed like he was going to be a big deal with his sister and all, and then that plot got sidelined and by the end of the series I - and Satsuki for that matter - couldn't even remember his name. Incidentally, he didn't even make top 10 in Newtype's character polls. Satsuki on the other hand was #1 and stole the show.

Quote from: Gilthwixt on September  8, 2014 11:59 PM

Quote from: rtil on September  8, 2014 11:19 PM
there's a couple things about klk's plot that kind of bug me, but not enough for it to ruin my enjoyment of the series. the biggest thing for me was how utterly useless Nudist Beach ended up being. in the first half of the series they felt like a legitimate threat and something bigger than everything else going on, but by the end they had been reduced to a literal joke. like the whole 'DTR' thing. even in the OVA they had no use for them.

You get this strong feeling that Trigger played the plot by ear. I have to wonder if the character polls didn't have something to do with how plot threads played out. Tsumugu seemed like he was going to be a big deal with his sister and all, and then that plot got sidelined and by the end of the series I - and Satsuki for that matter - couldn't even remember his name. Incidentally, he didn't even make top 10 in Newtype's character polls. Satsuki on the other hand was #1 and stole the show.

that's what you'd think when watching it, but according to the creators, the script was written before the series started. maybe they did start changing things as they went along, we'll probably never know. but i think imaishi is not the best writer, and his scripts tend to get weaker after timeskips. he's really creative but i think he needs more people around him to challenge him on his stories.

Quote from: zwimmy on September  4, 2013 06:12 AM
I have this gut feeling that Ryoko and Satsuki are eventually going to become allies. If I'm right ya'll owe me a pizza. If I'm wrong, I will commit sudoku.

Jesus christ
done

also
>tfw reading all the naive posts from before and during the show airing

so glad all the 'mako dies' conspiracy theorists were wrong

Quote from: SrsSam77 on December 18, 2014 06:22 AM

Quote from: zwimmy on September  4, 2013 06:12 AM
I have this gut feeling that Ryoko and Satsuki are eventually going to become allies. If I'm right ya'll owe me a pizza. If I'm wrong, I will commit sudoku.

Jesus christ
done

also
>tfw reading all the naive posts from before and during the show airing

Fuck, has it really been that long since KLK started?

It scares me how fast time flies.

it only goes faster from here :^)