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Title: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: trent bortknob on August 10, 2012 02:24 AM
do you think that you would classify yourself as an optimistic person or a cynical or pessimistic person? i'm curious.

do you think everyone sucks? do you think you usually see "the good in people"? do you think nobody is any better or worse than anyone else, we all just "are"? what do you think, and why?
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: Kooh on August 10, 2012 02:44 AM
I'm a pessimistic and cynical person that is optimist about life and people.
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: rtil on August 10, 2012 02:45 AM
in most cases i am what i would say is cautiously optimistic about things. it's so easy for one person to fuck up a good thing though.
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: Kooh on August 10, 2012 02:50 AM
Quote from: rtil on August 10, 2012 02:45 AM
in most cases i am what i would say is cautiously optimistic about things. it's so easy for one person to fuck up a good thing though.

Case in point: http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?topic=11974.0 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?topic=11974.0)
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: trent bortknob on August 10, 2012 02:51 AM
yeah i have conflicting views and feelings about this. sometimes it seems like most people are violent prone arrogant selfish idiots, but at the same time people have really shown the opposite in certain situations. also, it seems like as a whole humanity has been constantly improving.
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: trent bortknob on August 10, 2012 02:52 AM
Quote from: Mexican on August 10, 2012 02:50 AM
Quote from: rtil on August 10, 2012 02:45 AM
in most cases i am what i would say is cautiously optimistic about things. it's so easy for one person to fuck up a good thing though.

Case in point: http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?topic=11974.0 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?topic=11974.0)

you guys better not start arguing about hentai in this thread cuz i'll go ham
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: rtil on August 10, 2012 02:53 AM
Quote from: Mexican on August 10, 2012 02:50 AM
Quote from: rtil on August 10, 2012 02:45 AM
in most cases i am what i would say is cautiously optimistic about things. it's so easy for one person to fuck up a good thing though.

Case in point: http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?topic=11974.0 (http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?topic=11974.0)

i'm not seeing the correlation
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: Kooh on August 10, 2012 02:54 AM
Quote from: Tatwulf Peregrine Bosworth IV on August 10, 2012 02:51 AM
yeah i have conflicting views and feelings about this. sometimes it seems like most people are violent prone arrogant selfish idiots, but at the same time people have really shown the opposite in certain situations. also, it seems like as a whole humanity has been constantly improving.

We sometimes get our Einsteins, we sometimes get our Gandhis and we sometimes get our Charles Mansons.
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: Sheepy on August 10, 2012 02:58 AM
A bit optimistic. There's a certain level of judgement we have that we have locked away somewhere that doesn't come attached to any one-sided set of "morals" but by finding out how we connect to other human beings in general. Greed, hatred, intolerance, jealousy are all just obstacles we have to face in order to be able to judge ourselves, rather than those around us. Even those who seem undoubtedly aggressive and selfish may be able to change, but it's not always possible. Those unwilling to keep on learning and listening end up missing out.

I hope I don't sound super religious right now.
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: trent bortknob on August 10, 2012 03:06 AM
actually, it's funny you mention religion because i think religious people are generally some of the most pessimistic and cynical people i meet. they seem to think the world is ending because of things like homosexuality and long hair, that humanity has turned its back on our one and only true savior and that we're all being punished because we're all terrible, terrible abominations at our core. this is fundamental to christianity, that we all have original sin. i can't think of a more cynical idea, that we're all bad before we are old enough to make conscious decisions.
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: trent bortknob on August 10, 2012 03:06 AM
*by religious i mean christian, sorry for the slur*
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: DrRumack on August 10, 2012 04:12 AM
i consider myself optimistic in that i think eventually we're going to get it right as long as people stay on their game and push for positive changes
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: Sheepy on August 10, 2012 11:07 AM
Quote from: Tatwulf Peregrine Bosworth IV on August 10, 2012 03:06 AM
actually, it's funny you mention religion because i think religious people are generally some of the most pessimistic and cynical people i meet. they seem to think the world is ending because of things like homosexuality and long hair, that humanity has turned its back on our one and only true savior and that we're all being punished because we're all terrible, terrible abominations at our core. this is fundamental to christianity, that we all have original sin. i can't think of a more cynical idea, that we're all bad before we are old enough to make conscious decisions.
Quote from: Tatwulf Peregrine Bosworth IV on August 10, 2012 03:06 AM
*by religious i mean christian, sorry for the slur*

Pretty much
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: Kött on August 10, 2012 12:45 PM
Generally optimistic... I guess I haven't experienced enough bullshit to feel different, generally speaking.

However, a person cannot alyway be optimistic/pessimistic. I think that, speaking for myself, it's really dependant on your mood and your personal situation. Additionally, I think that it doesn't take much to get those who have a generally undurdened life into a pessimistic mood...
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: trent bortknob on August 10, 2012 01:20 PM
Quote from: Kott on August 10, 2012 12:45 PM
Generally optimistic... I guess I haven't experienced enough bullshit to feel different, generally speaking.

However, a person cannot alyway be optimistic/pessimistic. I think that, speaking for myself, it's really dependant on your mood and your personal situation. Additionally, I think that it doesn't take much to get those who have a generally undurdened life into a pessimistic mood...

of course moods will change, but i'm not talking about being depressed versus being happy, i'm just talking about a general tendency towards one perception or the other.
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: lasse on August 10, 2012 01:23 PM
Quote from: Kott on August 10, 2012 12:45 PM
undurdened

(https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freemanfox.com.au%2Fmedia%2Fnews%2Fimg%2F2010%2F05%2Fscratching_head.jpg&hash=dfc25b10f2af3bc180f867e1e7b2d88f565a6bdb)

also im a miserable cunt
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: trent bortknob on August 10, 2012 01:25 PM
he probably meant unburdened
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: lasse on August 10, 2012 01:39 PM
or if you haven't encountered the character played by brad pitt in the classic movie 'fight club'
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: ZekeySpaceyLizard on August 10, 2012 02:03 PM
apathy.
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: Casey Pixmintro on August 10, 2012 03:45 PM
I used to be a really pessimistic person, I eventually realized that going into everything with that attitude never helps any situation, only shits it up. So I've actively been trying to be a more optimistic person. Actually, I realized a lot of my friends are super pessimistic people and it just kind of sucks the life out of a lot of situations. I'm still pretty cynical though, but it also seems to be a trait of our generation. Sarcastic lil fuckers
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: sev on August 10, 2012 05:07 PM
mild but usually grounded optimism
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: redmongoose on August 10, 2012 06:02 PM
i hate everyone and everything always fuck you
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: Flash on August 10, 2012 07:08 PM
i try to be cautiously optimistic about the ordinary things in my life, and about my goals and dreams etc.

when it comes to The World At Large it's a different story though
it's hard to stay optimistic when all the horribly disturbing shit casts such a large shadow over everyone's lives.
also if you pay attention to history and geopolitics in school there's no way you'll be an optimist when it comes to mankind in general, at least not without some serious reservations
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: trent bortknob on August 10, 2012 10:26 PM
^ yeah, also a lot of notable philosophers from a lot of different time periods were notably pessimistic about humanity in general. a lot of them thought very poorly of the "average joe", or at least had very low expectations of him.
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: cipher on August 11, 2012 03:38 AM
pessimism, apathy, coldness... the works



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Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: naturally on August 11, 2012 05:54 AM
i think i'm more pessimistic outwardly and more optimistic inwardly.

this isn't the case so much on the internet, but i try to avoid letting my optimism get out too much irl. mostly because i'm very optimistic about my goals and people can be really brutal when they see that kind of optimism. because of that though, a lot of people see me as a very jaded person.
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: ZennyPLUS on August 12, 2012 10:09 PM
I think I fall within the category of Meh. Sort of Lukewarm Toasty, Crunchy Goodness. Like the right balance of burnt (bad) and crunch (good).
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: trent bortknob on August 13, 2012 04:18 AM
that would make sense if life was a piece of toast or like a sandwich or something. sadly, this is not the case.
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: Philip K Dick on August 13, 2012 06:52 PM
i was born without the ability to possess foresight so neither
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: Philip K Dick on August 13, 2012 06:54 PM
when i was born the doctor took one look at my newborn cock and immediately slashed his own throat out of envy
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: Flash on August 13, 2012 11:29 PM
Quote from: Tatwulf Peregrine Bosworth IV on August 13, 2012 04:18 AM
that would make sense if life was a piece of toast or like a sandwich or something. sadly, this is not the case.

oh
i see they've already brainwashed you
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: ZennyPLUS on August 14, 2012 03:07 AM
Quote from: Tatwulf Peregrine Bosworth IV on August 13, 2012 04:18 AM
that would make sense if life was a piece of toast or like a sandwich or something. sadly, this is not the case.

If life were a piece of toast, we all would have been eaten already.
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: Philip K Dick on August 14, 2012 06:50 AM
ok so the thing i said was more clever than the sandwich bit, so quick tip for you guys, you should probably focus your posts more on my hilarious baby dick joke
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: Philip K Dick on August 14, 2012 06:52 AM
or i will bathe in your blood and stuff
Title: Re: pessimism/cynicism versus optimism
Post by: redmongoose on August 14, 2012 08:14 AM
^listen to this guy, he knows what hes doing