this deserves a new topic
so my band has been hard at work recording a full length album. it's 13 songs, with 3 of them being lifted from the previous EP and redone. i think you'll all notice a stark difference in quality between this and the EP, with notably better production and better performances all around, as well as more mature songwriting.
even if you hated our EP, i urge you to listen to this because it's way better.
http://breadclub.bandcamp.com/ (http://breadclub.bandcamp.com/)
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i didnt hate your ep but i think this album has the same problems as the ep. the instruments come off as dreamy and soft with the reverb and bright sounds, but then the vocals are flat and contrast with the music in a bad way. and no offense but a lot of times you are off key and hit wrong notes. i think you'd be doing yourself a lot of favors to give the same quality of sound to your voice that you give to the instruments.
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yo really? come on.
this is way better than the EP and that got tons of comments. i posted this here because you guys for the most part aren't punkers so your reaction to my band's music gives me a greater insight to what most people will probably critique about the album. last time, it was the production and the vocals. i'm curious to see what people tink. thank you rtil for your input, but i always want more than just one person if that's at all possible.
please? it's like a 30 minute album, not a very time-consuming listen. and if you just want to listen to the most popular songs, you can just listen to teh punx i no, metallicat, day, just in case i forget, ballad of yee, and silent treatment.
Quote from: rtil on April 3, 2012 10:46 PM
i didnt hate your ep but i think this album has the same problems as the ep. the instruments come off as dreamy and soft with the reverb and bright sounds, but then the vocals are flat and contrast with the music in a bad way. and no offense but a lot of times you are off key and hit wrong notes. i think you'd be doing yourself a lot of favors to give the same quality of sound to your voice that you give to the instruments.
well first i'd like to correct that i don't sing off key on the album at all, though there may be a few parts where i sing slightly off pitch. to me, that's not a big deal, because most if not all bands in a genre similar to mine share that characteristic. hell, kurt cobain was off pitch on a lot of recordings, just very slightly, and he is a widely respected vocalist. in this kind of music, it's very important for it to be "honest" and "real", so there is almost no editing done to the vocals except for some double tracking and reverb.
as far as making the vocals as dreamy as the guitars, i like the contrast, but i could see how it would be cool for them to be more effected. the other vocalist/guitarist in the band did not want us to do any effects on the vocals at all, not even double tracking or reverb, so the fact that i even got that was pretty lucky imo. however, he also didn't want our second guitarist to use so many effects. i think if he could have had it his way we would have been a lot more raw.
to clarify, singing off key is hitting notes that are not in the key you're playing in. singing off pitch usually implies that you're hitting notes in the same key, just not totally dead on. that's actually really common in a lot of bands that don't use extensive pitch editing on the vocals. thom yorke from radiohead goes flat from time to time in recordings, but a more obvious example is tim kinsella from capn jazz. he is flat in every song they do
i dunno, i don't consider it a big deal because for the most part i'm on pitch, and even when i'm slightly off it's not by a lot. i certainly don't think it's unlistenable in that regard or anything
ok.. off key, off pitch, it just didnt sound right sometimes. you don't have to try and justify it because we know less about music than you and cuz kurt cobain did it, either way it just didn't sound right to my ears from time to time. i mean you can't possibly think that you have no room for improvement as a singer. not saying you're a bad singer but you could get better.
Opinions as I listen:
Sparky Plays The Blues is absolutely great, wish it was longer.
Metallicat is ni~i~ice. Reminds me of Tokyo Police Club.
Day is good, but the "I think I could love you" is comical. I'm not against screaming in music, but it's odd.
Ditto Ghost of Jeff Wilson. Too desperate for me. Okay, I like how the shouts trail off. Really really love the guitar.
Just In Case I Forget is fucking lovely.
For some reason the sudden burst of shouting in Hershel's Song, before the Japanese/Korean?, makes the rest of it alright. Good job doing whatever you did for that to happen. The vocals after were jarring, however.
Peebs Is Unimpressed reminds me of Boards of Canada.
Untitled is just great.
I'm really not hearing the tune problem, but I don't know anything about music and may be a little deaf. :D
TL;DR: Downloaded.
Quote from: rtil on April 23, 2012 03:43 AM
ok.. off key, off pitch, it just didnt sound right sometimes. you don't have to try and justify it because we know less about music than you and cuz kurt cobain did it, either way it just didn't sound right to my ears from time to time. i mean you can't possibly think that you have no room for improvement as a singer. not saying you're a bad singer but you could get better.
definitely, i am not a great singer, and i'm always trying to improve, i'm just confused by that specific criticism i guess. i'm not saying that i idolize kurt cobain or anything either. i think it not sounding right to your ears makes more sense, which isn't to say that what you're saying is wrong, it's just that i don't really hear it myself, and the only other person who has said something similar is my dad. could be a number of factors that make it sound odd, off, or wrong to you, but i don't think there are any points where i'm singing totally off key.
it's more like an out of tune sound where a note will sound off or something sometimes
Quote from: Lovey on April 23, 2012 03:59 AM
Opinions as I listen:
Sparky Plays The Blues is absolutely great, wish it was longer.
Metallicat is ni~i~ice. Reminds me of Tokyo Police Club.
Day is good, but the "I think I could love you" is comical. I'm not against screaming in music, but it's odd.
Ditto Ghost of Jeff Wilson. Too desperate for me. Okay, I like how the shouts trail off. Really really love the guitar.
Just In Case I Forget is fucking lovely.
For some reason the sudden burst of shouting in Hershel's Song, before the Japanese/Korean?, makes the rest of it alright. Good job doing whatever you did for that to happen. The vocals after were jarring, however.
Peebs Is Unimpressed reminds me of Boards of Canada.
Untitled is just great.
thanks man! sparky plays the blues is a joke track, supposed to be cheesy and light hearted, but i'm glad you still enjoyed it. a lot of people seem to like metallicat the most. i wrote the song "day" except for the other vocalist's lyrics, vocals, and some of his guitar lines. i'm glad you liked the song for the most part, while i do like his part, i wish the "love you" thing was a bit more intense, but nobody's perfect. i like the skramZ on ghost of jeff wilson too. i also wrote just in case i forget and untitled. if you liked just in case i forget, i'm surprised you didn't have anything to say about silent treatment or ahnvolope, the other two instrumental tracks on the album (at least the ones that are actual songs). thanks for the track by track review thing
Quote from: rtil on April 23, 2012 04:52 AM
it's more like an out of tune sound where a note will sound off or something sometimes
idk, it doesn't bother me to the point of me not even noticing it. however, i do listen to this:
cap'n jazz - oh messy life. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83BRULUXqlI#)
yeah youre on key for most of it, the parts where you arent are the emo singing which i didnt even recognize as you at first
i love this music wooow
silent treatment was super great and calming
like what song do you mean
^ talkin to armon
1:20 of metallicat
1:50 of day
etc
listening through the whole thing, i like it better when you sing straight up rather than using the more abrasive yelling/screaming/growling/whatever you want to call it. it just fits your voice better, and your singing is getting better.
to clear things up, i only sing melodically in this band. we have two vocalists
Quote from: sev on April 24, 2012 04:58 AM
listening through the whole thing, i like it better when you sing straight up rather than using the more abrasive yelling/screaming/growling/whatever you want to call it. it just fits your voice better, and your singing is getting better.
thanks, i appreciate the compliment. keep in mind that i don't scream on this album
spoilers: taylor is not in this band
i'm in the band now
Quote from: rtil on April 24, 2012 05:19 AM
spoilers: taylor is not in this band
well not anymore im not
wait so now you're not in bread club? what you got a NEW band now? think you can just make a band whenever you want?
i asked you before if that was you and you said you did all the vocals so wtf
rtil - i moved so i had to quit the band, and the band just broke up when i left
armon - i dont remember that but no there are two vocalists. the one that sounds like me is me and the one that doesnt sound like me is the other one. he mainly screams and shit but he sings on like two songs (bread club live at the hard rock cafe and the punx i no)
why did you respond to rtil and armon and not me huh? what do you think you're some kinda ballin bangin badass boss now?
cuz i h8 u
bread club more like dead club
rip
anigen you were the other vocalist right
yeah i made the comment about the screaming because i didn't like my own screaming
i liked the instrumentals, but i didn't like the vocals. i thought they didn't fit with the music. i know this has already been said, but the screaming and exaggerating vocals were distracting from the nice instrumentals you all had.
i think they fit juuuuust fine.
it is odd to me that this is a common criticism, most people i know IRL say that they couldn't imagine bread club having different vocalists. that's not saying whether or not they like the vocals, but it implies that they think the vox go with the music, which is one thing that no one on TBA seems to think.
i guess it makes sense though, since all of the people i knew in san jose who listened to bread club already liked all of our influences for the most part. and the only guy on tba i know who is into the bands that influenced us is TMK.
Quote from: sev on April 24, 2012 05:49 PM
yeah i made the comment about the screaming because i didn't like my own screaming
then u shoulda skramzed better then d00d wtf
im going to start my own club its going to be called the breast club and it will be the best club
best of all the clubs (https://thebackalleys.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faustralianmuseum.net.au%2FUploads%2FImages%2F11162%2FiE078198_02_big.jpg&hash=98be68ef4e5d5d9743bee442d5863e0a5a5d3939)
ill use it to smash all bread club records
Quote from: Tatwulf Peregrine Bosworth IV on April 24, 2012 08:32 PM
Quote from: sev on April 24, 2012 05:49 PM
yeah i made the comment about the screaming because i didn't like my own screaming
then u shoulda skramzed better then d00d wtf
we are our own worst critics
dude /mu/ roxx
the lyrics were too quiet , and sometimes they were off in terms of pitch and key. try to stay away from those random recordings of children and stuff like that in the beginnings or endings of your song ( like in Sparky Plays the Blues. ) its over used and it may sometimes seem charming and rememberable but it really adds nothing to your music.
when you respond to criticism, try to see the listeners side instead of your own - you're very quick to defend your work.
Quote from: Timmy on April 25, 2012 12:55 AM
the lyrics were too quiet , and sometimes they were off in terms of pitch and key. try to stay away from those random recordings of children and stuff like that in the beginnings or endings of your song ( like in Sparky Plays the Blues. ) its over used and it may sometimes seem charming and rememberable but it really adds nothing to your music.
when you respond to criticism, try to see the listeners side instead of your own - you're very quick to defend your work.
1. i don't think they were too quiet, and anyway the "lyrics" aren't quiet, the vocals are. that's sort of a petty thing to point out, but just so you know the lyrics are the actual words being sung and the vocals is the voice that sing the words.
2. they weren't off key, as i've said. i dont know any parts where they are off pitch except for the very first note on "day". and that's pretty slight.
3. the recording of the kids is funny to me and everyone else in the band so we put it in. they're saying "it's a bread club", it's from a weird ass/confusing video on youtube where the audio clips like shit and a bunch of kids are sitting around a table talking about being in a bread club. it was a really weird find so we put it in. other samples were relevant as well, like the recording at the end of "untitled". we didn't put a lot of thought into these samples, we thought they were funny or striking so we put them in, they sounded good, we left them there. i don't really care if you think that it's overdone, because it's not like my goal was to make an album of complete, 100% originality. everything has been done before. and you're wrong saying that it adds nothing to the album, i think it adds a certain lighthearted atmosphere to it all.
4. when i respond to criticism, especially on this site, i try not to be too defensive. what usually happens is i'm trying to make sense of people who don't know anything about music that are trying to critique music. that's ok, nothing wrong with people not knowing anything about music, and i'm not a music expert or anything. but when someone's critique is "the vocals sound off", that's so vague that i usually have to ask more in depth questions to understand what they actually mean. and with the off key thing, that's just something i dont hear. i definitely dont think bread club is the best thing since sliced bread (SHWING) or anything, and i don't think i'm a great singer. i really do want to hear your criticisms and understand them. if i don't agree with them, i'll say so, but i still want to know what they are because i like knowing how different crowds react to my music.
Quote from: rtil on April 23, 2012 03:43 AM
you don't have to try and justify it because we know less about music than you
just sing more i guess if you want to get better, challenge yourself by screwing around with more range. i don't think most people here would have much more to say about it than that
i just napped to this album
how did that go?
it was very peaceful and relaxing, screams and all
yeah someone called us "ambient punk" once but idk