starcraft 2

[Sinitron]

dt > roaches for harass

then again you can get a lot of roaches, much faster

[rtil]

if only roaches were permanently cloaked

[Sinitron]

well they can burrow which is kind of like a permanent cloak

except it requires research but that's k every zerg unit can do it

blue flame hellion drop?

np burrow drones, which will make his harass ineffective, or use a scan

actually that got me thinking, i know hellion splash affects cloaked units, but does it affect burrowed as well?

MUST TEST

[rtil]

i'm sure it does

and roaches need 3 upgrades to be effective. burrow, tunneling claws and glial reconstitution

[Sinitron]

yeah hellions roast burrowed shit

also the roach upgrades are fine because roaches only cost 25 gas, are pretty sturdy, and work as part of your standard army composition, while dark templar don't really do shit as part of a larger army because they are slow melee units and have poor health as well as costing tons more gas

also the dark shrine takes forever to build

[psi43]

yeah hellions roast burrowed shit

i have told you that before actually. So just put your blueflame hellions at the back of the mineral line and attack the hatchery from there, several drones will go down that way as well.

also, DT's in a large protoss army would do good imo, especially if you mix them into void rays, cause people would just take down the voidrays not really expecting there to be DTs as well.

[rtil]

i wasn't comparing roaches to dark templar lmao

i was saying roaches are just ok units until you get 3 upgrades for them which don't come until lair

[Sinitron]

well a lot of zerg don't even bother getting burrow

speed upgrade is the only real 'must' for the roach

also apparently hydras off creep run at the same pace as terran bio, so even though they're slow by zerg standards they're not TOO bad

i wonder if its possible to stutterstep with hydras

actually no it isn't they have a slight attack animation delay, same as the stalker

oh well i got some wins today considering how i had like 40 more losses than wins and i've narrowed it down to 16 i'm doing pretty good

[rtil]

most zerg SHOULD get burrow because the speed upgrade isn't the only "must" for the roach, as burrow + tunneling claws enables fast healing and moving while burrowed, plus your infestors can burrow + move and on that note without an upgrade. not to mention all the other tricks you can pull off with burrow

not taking advantage of the roaches ability to quickly regenerate is stupid, the only excuse not to is if your economy is too tight

and the reason why the hydra is considered slow is because it doesn't keep up with the other ground forces off creep. it's not part of the terran army so that point is irrelevant

[Sinitron]

nah burrow can be used for some fancy shit but the speed upgrade is necessary for mobility so they can respond and react better, and get to where you want them in time, unless the game is really long you won't need the tunneling claws since they don't really move at an ideal pace while burrowed, it's only really good for ambushes but it's only going to work once before the other guy gets mobile detection

and yeah the hydra is not part of the terran army but it's still not horrifyingly slow considering how many units actually fall behind the rest in other armies if you just a-move, like thors, immortals and sentries (and god forbid, high templar), as well as the units that will end up running in front and getting killed first if not properly managed like hellions and speedlings and possibly also colossi since they just step over stuff, at least hydras are kind of supposed to stay behind the roaches and not get horribly killed while immortals need to be in front to actually tank damage but this is hard to achieve since they are slow and have crappy range, so if they end up in the back or get flanked they won't actually do anything

also hydras run like drug-addicted africans on creep which is funny and contaminate is a badass ability




high templar are assholes btw they're like LOOK AT ME I CAN FLY REALLY SLOW and just hover over the ground instead of just getting the leg upgrade like zealots and running around fucking everywhere jesus why are all the portraits i'm going to be unlocking soon fucking protoss

[rtil]

i get tunneling claws not so much for the ability to move while burrowed but mostly for the faster regen, in which the healing actually outpaces a lot of AOE damage (like psi storm)

and moving while burrowed is actually really great not just for ambushing but also for running away

while hydras are great on creep, the fact of the matter is the units are basically glass cannons that are so handicapped they're mostly situational. i mean they need a 150/150 upgrade to bring their range from 5 to 6. keep in mind marines have a range of 5 (6 while in a bunker), vikings have a range of 9 and thor AA has a range of 10.

they are nice tanking units but they're definitely not the core of the zerg army anymore, and they're practically useless in zvt.

[Sinitron]

i think the reason they nerfed hydras is because the sound they made while attacking in SC1 was so obnoxious

but it was still better than the one they use now

they were good before because there was no such thing as hellions, banelings or colossi, and zerg had dark swarm which was the infinite-energy equivalent of PDDs except it affected everything that didn't do splash

also i completed the last stupid mission on brutal so i got my shitty kerrigan portrait which i will never use

[Sinitron]

got the medic portrait and hit 2900 achievement points

[Sinitron]

unlocked the phoenix, hydra, and high templar

got promoted to gold, smurfed back down to bronze

almost unlocked the siege tank too

[sev]

getting 8 solo wins and 8 team wins every day until i get my void ray and mohandar portraits at the exact same time
also working on moving up to plat. gold sucks

i'm 8 and 3 tonight with a win-loss ratio of 162 to 121 :}

[cipher]

i'm 8 and 3 tonight with a win-loss ratio of 162 to 121 :}

I was like that too and then when I hit plat it evened out to 50/50 way too fast.... probably still dropping too.


aw I made myself depressed

[Sinitron]

i have a horrible w/l because i threw tons of games to get to bronze

i need to win a few and forfeit a little less to balance it out

but it shouldn't be too hard to eventually even it out

[Sinitron]

they call me the HIGH templar

420

[Sinitron]

me, sev and mootspy just got 5 wins in a row in our placement matches, earning me the hot shot feat of strength and placing us in platinum

yeh...

i also played random every game and only got zerg/toss and did alright so i might start up doing random in team games again

[Sinitron]