richard dawkins wants to arrest the pope

[ZekeySpaceyLizard]

i mean if i were god i'd probably had forgotten the earth existed by now

this is correct
earth was actually the beta for a much better world called Zork that god is developing
its not done yet but there are screenshots

[lenko]

sounds good i hope there arent wasps on this one

major fuckup there godboy

[emanhattan]

and mosquitoes god fucking dammit i cant stand mosquitoes

[Wasim]

islam is clearly th best

[emanhattan]

^

[Daveb0t]

great talk!

[creamcorn]

the way i see it, its the problem with modern day society with religion, and just because alot of people interpret something wrongly doesnt mean its suddenly not the truth anymore

they\\\'re not interpreting it wrongly, and that\\\'s my point. the simple truth of the matter is that these ancient religions do not evolve with mankind - they constantly stay the same, never changing, never swaying. sure, the good, charitable things about them are easy to point out. but there are many practices from islam, christianity, and any monotheistic religion that just don\\\'t make any sense in a modern, civilized society. they cripple people and societies. they hinder progress, human rights and science. religion can never be an ultimate tool for good, because it is designed to control people.

if religions were like photo albums, there would be so many pages that they\\\'d try to hide from the world with bad photos they wouldn\\\'t be proud of. and that\\\'s what they continue to do to this day. and now science is beginning to chip away at the relevance of religion in society, which just makes it worse. i notice that the more science is prevalent in the world, the more religions tend to stray away from it and go back into their caves, clinging to ancient beliefs and lives of total ignorance. what is so hard about accepting the fact that there is no god? just live life to your fullest and forget about what happens to you when you die. nobody knows, no one will ever know, until you\\\'re dead. so forget about it.

they ARE interpreting it wrongly , and thats my point. all these ignorant cave-people do not represent the religion itself
and why shouldnt the religious moral rules work now, i mean adultery is still adultery, just because we have computers and more scientific theories doesnt make it any different
what is so hard about thinking that there is a god behind all this?

the hard thing about \\\'accepting the fact that there is no god\\\' means that there is no purpose to this life

so without god there is no purpose in your life? does the fact that there is a god drive you to be good? if god was absent, would you rape, murder, kill and steal? why does there need to be a god in order for us to be civilized and purposeful?

the problem with religion is that it creates a crutch for humans. it tells you that an invisible, all knowing, all seeing, all powerful being created you for one purpose and one purpose only - to serve him in your physical being until the day that you die. you are born into this and there is no opt out except for eternal suffering. i don\\\'t know what the qu\\\'ran says about salvation but in christianity that\\\'s pretty much the deal. god died for your sins even if you didn\\\'t really ask for it, and because of that you are eternally bound to serve him and obey his rules and pay him tribute (tithing, worshiping, spreading the gospel, etc.)

if you ask me, serving some eternal selfish being on a matter of faith alone is a purposeless life.

a life with purpose is a life that you live to the fullest. to make you and the ones you care about happy. have fun.

why spend such short time you have here on earth bowing down to the sky in the distant hope that you\\\'ll spend eternity in some bizarre utopia? doesn\\\'t eternity sound a little boring to you?

of course, without believing in god i wouldnt be raping, murdering etc. because i think thats wrong for obvious reasons, but i would think lighty of smaller things like lying and cheating. but with believing in god i also believe that i will be rewarded for not doing those things, so its a second motivator to do good and keep doing good
also, worshipping does not only mean sitting in a corner and praying all day long: being good to your loved ones, learning about nature and science, being healthy and clean is also a great part of worshipping god. the quran says that every step you take towards your school or university will be rewarded greatly

living an atheistic \\\'just live your life to the fullest\\\' life is like knitting a huge sweater, youre not making it for anybody, youre just making it
and then when you leave it all behind not you or anyone is gonna wear that sweater because you werent making it for anyone, you just made it

i don\\\'t get it.

so if an atheist lives his life to the fullest, and, say, cures a disease, or starts a charitable foundation, starts a business that employs people, or helps the sick and the homeless, he left nothing behind?

he does leave something behind, but he doesnt take anything with him. sure the people he leaves behind may live happy lives becaue of what he did but what good does that do him in the end? it may be enough for him to live just for that, and it is a good cause, but its not good enough. if you believe youre doing good charitable work, employing people etc. to serve god youre helping the people AND yourself in the end

and when you say there doesnt need to be a higher purpose, or who cares if there isnt a meaning to life, you look at this great universe and say this is here for nothing?
it is true that its dumb to believe in a lie just because you would like it if it were true, but the thing is you cant say if its a lie. and i find it hard to believe that were here just because were here, ignoring how great beautiful and complex this universe is, THAT is ignorance

as for why god doesnt intervene when someone does wrong to for example a child, we have to take responsibility for our own actions and we are responsible for punishing the bad guys now. the good guys cant just sit around while god punishes the bad guys for them, they have to do that.
and that poor child that was molested and murdered, atheism gives nothing to him, but god rewards that child in the afterlife, and thats justice

what the fuck are we doing here when theres no justice? if i was a rich maffia guy, stealing and plundering and raping people, and i have a wife and kid and a happy life and die peacefully in my sleep, or if i was a poor woman and my husband abuses me daily, was good to my kids and die a horrible death in the end, wheres the justice in that? there has to be justice

i mean if i were god i\\\'d probably had forgotten the earth existed by now

this is correct

yes its correct, if YOU were god

[lenko]

what the fuck are we doing here when theres no justice? if i was a rich maffia guy, stealing and plundering and raping people, and i have a wife and kid and a happy life and die peacefully in my sleep, or if i was a poor woman and my husband abuses me daily, was good to my kids and die a horrible death in the end, wheres the justice in that? there has to be justice

that\\\'s kinda like saying a lion should get \\\'justice\\\' for eating a poor innocent zebra, leaving its kids to fend for themselves. but of course, that zebra is the lion\\\'s meal for the day.

life to me is just a big game of survival

however, the human race has dominated most of the land on this planet, and many people are born into comfort and a system that ensures survival if they do their part in society - so what do they do? they enjoy it. they have fun because at the end of the day, they aren\\\'t going to be here forever.

[trent bortknob]

as for why god doesnt intervene when someone does wrong to for example a child, we have to take responsibility for our own actions and we are responsible for punishing the bad guys now. the good guys cant just sit around while god punishes the bad guys for them, they have to do that.
and that poor child that was molested and murdered, atheism gives nothing to him, but god rewards that child in the afterlife, and thats justice

this doesn't explain why god is inconsistent with his own previous actions of punishing the bad, and also it doesn't explain why there are natural evils (like the mosquito that reproduces while killing another)

not only that, but god is better equipped to right the large amount of evil in the world. why doesn't he at least HELP US A LITTLE BIT

and the whole note on how atheists ignore the beauty and complexity of nature; i disagree. just because we say that the beauty is a chance occurence doesn't mean we deny its beauty

[Daveb0t]

Very few of the intellegent theologians / preiests / and even church-goers I talk to bother debating the existance in God.  Like one of my old teachers said, the bible isn't about God, it's about humanity.

In my opinion atheists using scripture to refute the existance of god come off, as C. S. Lewis said, "Angry that God doesn't exist".  Using the bible to prove the existance of God is flawed, but using it as a reference for ourselves etc etc

[Wasim]

what is religion

[Mew_User]

You guys are so cute.

[trent bortknob]

alright thank you bamyasi and wasim for proving that you are really cool and above our conversation now can you stop posting unfunny shit

[Wasim]

suck my dick

[creamcorn]

what the fuck are we doing here when theres no justice? if i was a rich maffia guy, stealing and plundering and raping people, and i have a wife and kid and a happy life and die peacefully in my sleep, or if i was a poor woman and my husband abuses me daily, was good to my kids and die a horrible death in the end, wheres the justice in that? there has to be justice

that's kinda like saying a lion should get 'justice' for eating a poor innocent zebra, leaving its kids to fend for themselves. but of course, that zebra is the lion's meal for the day.

life to me is just a big game of survival

however, the human race has dominated most of the land on this planet, and many people are born into comfort and a system that ensures survival if they do their part in society - so what do they do? they enjoy it. they have fun because at the end of the day, they aren't going to be here forever.

the lion didnt mean bad, its all about intention. and the little zebra children will de rewarded in the afterlife if they dont succumb to their situation that god put upon them

a big game of survival? so youre saying anyone can just do whatever they want to survive no matter what he does to other people? humans are diffent than animals because we have morals
and of course you should have fun and enjoy life, but life is more than just that

as for why god doesnt intervene when someone does wrong to for example a child, we have to take responsibility for our own actions and we are responsible for punishing the bad guys now. the good guys cant just sit around while god punishes the bad guys for them, they have to do that.
and that poor child that was molested and murdered, atheism gives nothing to him, but god rewards that child in the afterlife, and thats justice

this doesn't explain why god is inconsistent with his own previous actions of punishing the bad, and also it doesn't explain why there are natural evils (like the mosquito that reproduces while killing another)

not only that, but god is better equipped to right the large amount of evil in the world. why doesn't he at least HELP US A LITTLE BIT

and the whole note on how atheists ignore the beauty and complexity of nature; i disagree. just because we say that the beauty is a chance occurence doesn't mean we deny its beauty

it does explain why god doesnt intervene anymore, because back then it was neccecary for god to take action because the good moral people were in the fast minority. now we should clean up our own shit.

and natural 'evils'? come on, that mosquito isnt any different than any other animal killing another animal to survive

and lastly about the complexity and beauty of nature: i think its like coming across a house and saying, ignoring the fact that its nearly impossible for this house to be created on its own because its so complex and stuff, you say you dont believe a man made it because you never saw or heard him, or because you cant prove that there has been a time when this house wasnt there, so you cant prove that anyone created it, so as far as youre concerned this house has been here forever.

[shura]

its stupid to argue about religion in general, because no matter what you say you will never get the other person to change their mind about what they believe. all that ever comes out of a religious argument is someone getting offended, so lets just all agree that being religious or non-religious is cool as long as you dont try to impose your beliefs or way of life on to others. ok !

[lenko]

its stupid to argue about religion in general, because no matter what you say you will never get the other person to change their mind about what they believe. all that ever comes out of a religious argument is someone getting offended, so lets just all agree that being religious or non-religious is cool as long as you dont try to impose your beliefs or way of life on to others. ok !

ok sure but there's practically none of that in this thread

[trent bortknob]

its stupid to argue about religion in general, because no matter what you say you will never get the other person to change their mind about what they believe. all that ever comes out of a religious argument is someone getting offended, so lets just all agree that being religious or non-religious is cool as long as you dont try to impose your beliefs or way of life on to others. ok !

this is false for numerous reasons

for one, i know that people do change their beliefs when they get in arguments because it's happened before. a couple of years ago i was a christian, then i was an agnostic and now i'm an atheist. it worked 4 me and it can work 4 u!!!!!!

also, you SHOULD impose your beliefs on others to an extent. you have to be open-minded, so that if you encounter an argument against your beliefs that is convincing that you can change them, but you SHOULD be pretty confident in your own beliefs and have something to back them up. the reason that you should impose your beliefs a little is because there is one correct belie system, and if the followers of it don't spread it then we'll never have a chance of knowing the correct one

now that doesn't mean kill someone because they're catholic or ignore people because they're a jew, but if you disagree with their beliefs you should definitely criticize them as long as you're not being hateful

[shura]

its stupid to argue about religion in general, because no matter what you say you will never get the other person to change their mind about what they believe. all that ever comes out of a religious argument is someone getting offended, so lets just all agree that being religious or non-religious is cool as long as you dont try to impose your beliefs or way of life on to others. ok !

ok sure but there\\\'s practically none of that in this thread

wait what. i wasn\\\'t talking about people in this thread imposing their ideas onto others, i was referring to the kind of people who try to get the teaching of evolution banned from schools or making gay marriage illegal and etc

also taylor, just because you questioned religion and changed your beliefs doesn\\\'t mean everyone else does. most people are set in their ways and dont want to change what they have been brought up to believe.

also this thread is really gay and i am really gay for posting in it

[creamcorn]

its stupid to argue about religion in general, because no matter what you say you will never get the other person to change their mind about what they believe. all that ever comes out of a religious argument is someone getting offended, so lets just all agree that being religious or non-religious is cool as long as you dont try to impose your beliefs or way of life on to others. ok !

ok sure but there's practically none of that in this thread

wait what. i wasn't talking about people in this thread imposing their ideas onto others, i was referring to the kind of people who try to get the teaching of evolution banned from schools or making gay marriage illegal and etc

also taylor, just because you questioned religion and changed your beliefs doesn't mean everyone else does. most people are set in their ways and dont want to change what they have been brought up to believe.

also this thread is really gay and i am really gay for posting in it

were not trying to convince eachother about anything were just sharing our thoughts!

and as a matter of fact i am ready to change my ways when i read or hear something convincing enough, im really interesed in reading dawkins book about how evotution proves that god doesnt exist, but this isnt about me im just sayin so whatever

i dont think this thread is gay