The Depressing Thread

ZekeySpaceyLizard · January 29, 2009 10:12 AM

tl:dr

here is the depressing thread. made specifically for those of you who somehow despite hanging online still have faith in mankind.

Way back a long time ago there was a member on Newgrounds named T0MMY. He organized some of the first collaborations ever, and alot of the people he worked with went on to become popular artists in their own right. He was also one of the main people behind the Pic0nj0 character that both me and rtil had a short run fraternizing in.

Anyway, in 2004 he made a thread about how he was disappointed how Newgrounds was run and how he felt the artists should be compensated for their work since it was the artists who made cartoons and games who brought people to newgrounds in the first place.

Everyone very quickly jumped all over his post, flaming him, and the topic became a SEVEN PAGE LONG BITCHFEST.

I try not to link too many people to the thread. I grow worried someone may delete it one day.

Feel free to read it. The thread and alot of the comments made in it are still very relevant today.
In fact, its hard to believe this thread is 5 years old. It shows how little anything has changed.

What I like about this thread is how T0MMY conducts himself. Despite everyone insinuating he's some sort of greedy jackal for suggesting this idea, he never gets upset. This thread also shows alot of members of newgrounds, many of whom are still around, displaying themselves in a rather shameful manner.

And like most large-scale kneejerk flame and drama bbs threads, Tom Fulp is the voice of reason and the only person not acting like an asshole in the thread. He must have the patience of a tree.

Now
If you dont want to read the thread, here's T0MMY's posts so you can read them yourself.
Its fascinating to see how, in retrospect, he was right.

The joker is a nice guy

Cyke · January 29, 2009 10:48 AM

It's the same problem everywhere.

zomfgbie · January 29, 2009 11:08 AM

I really don\\\'t get the ad system. I hate seeing them at the preloader of EVERY single flash in the portal

you shouldn\\\'t be animating because you want to make a measly £2 a month, you should be doing it because you love it

of course, i\\\'m only talking about my own tier here. fair play to those who actually become popular enough to make a living out of it

ZekeySpaceyLizard · January 29, 2009 11:25 AM

Quote from: FreekCyou shouldn't be animating because you want to make a measly £2 a month, you should be doing it because you love it

thats like saying that everyone who wants to be able to profit off animation so they can do it full time only want to because they hate animation.

the only real reason everyone uses it is because its easy to use (if you have one of the newer versions of flash anyway).

zomfgbie · January 29, 2009 11:32 AM

Quote from: Zekey
Quote from: FreekCyou shouldn't be animating because you want to make a measly £2 a month, you should be doing it because you love it

thats like saying that everyone who wants to be able to profit off animation so they can do it full time only want to because they hate animation.

the only real reason everyone uses it is because its easy to use (if you have one of the newer versions of flash anyway).

so do they actually expect to make money from it or is it just the new default preloader?

ZekeySpaceyLizard · January 29, 2009 11:38 AM

Quote from: FreekCso do they actually expect to make money from it

the dumb ones do.

but it takes a hella bunch of hits to make any substantial dough.

lenko · January 29, 2009 11:56 AM

Poor T0MMY. I'm surprised he managed to keep a level head.

Erm this isn't that depressing. Well it's depressing that some people would portray the Joker like this but at the same time this is one of the funniest things I've seen this year..

....he's a sociopathic killer clown. With yellow teeth and completely inhuman, murderous intent. What the fuck deviantart

ansel · January 29, 2009 01:47 PM

well this is certainly depressing

i mean, you've showed me these things at different times but to have them all collected here is more than i can take

salutations · January 29, 2009 02:07 PM

jesus christ what the fuck.

1. that feminist bitch is NUTS. why would you ever say 'I would have had that abortion'. And why would her son one day getting laid be considered 'rape' WHY. I'm a failure to my gender I guess because I could really give two shits about feminism. I can vote, work and drive so I'm good.
2. Zekey why do you read a forum about feminism?
3. Lord of the rings is terrible.

and i couldn't watch any of the youtube videos because im at school

Sonni · January 29, 2009 03:00 PM

Quote from: Zekeyi hope this made your day suck a little more.

...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/NFzdJy9fOfA&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/NFzdJy9fOfA&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

shura · January 29, 2009 03:14 PM

wow i can't believe i actually just read all 7 pages of that thread. it's fucking crazy that there was such a heated argument against something that is now a totally intrinsic part of newgrounds.
lmao wow, mindchamber is such a douche

i actually kinda enjoyed reading all that. since i haven't been a member at ng for that long i didn't even realize that artists getting paid for their work was ever an issue

QuoteAmerican cartoons only have American funding (if you can call it that), and the rest is made up for Japanese ideas, Canadian voice-acting and Korean animation.

wait, what the fuck??

Daveb0t · January 29, 2009 03:24 PM

As for the thread you can go to "file>save page as" and view it anytime you want. I think theres an extra step to have all the gifs and shit saved so it comes out lookinmg the same, but I don't quite remember it.

Its funny how I find myself against the motivation of flash ads, yet not concretely against the concept itself. If someone makes flashes for the money, then there's no wondering whether or not he's a dick, or will end up hating his own work in time.

T0MMY might be floating around somewheres. He obviously lost all faith in the community, as with his great comment "Enjoy muffins. Be like Knox because hes better than me.", but leaving the internet out of dissatisfaction is no heroic thing. Anyways its quite easy to turn off your router for a little while, get a brand new IP, and start a life as a new person.

Greenkitten · January 29, 2009 03:39 PM

I was watching that fraggle rock episode today, then the power went out....

emanhattan · January 29, 2009 03:48 PM

Quote from: lenkabisca

What the fuck deviantart

that drawing is the only depressing thing I have seen in this thread

also mindchamber acts like he is everyones dad on Ng

Daveb0t · January 29, 2009 04:00 PM

Quote from: emanalso mindchamber acts like he is everyones dad on Ng

I think thats the best description I have heard in a long time

rtil · January 29, 2009 04:54 PM

interesting how it seems the newgrounds staff has always been that way - a bunch of tightwads and assholes, and then there's tom fulp, who seems to never get angry at anything

lenko · January 29, 2009 06:49 PM

Quote from: rtilinteresting how it seems the newgrounds staff has always been that way - a bunch of tightwads and assholes, and then there's tom fulp, who seems to never get angry at anything

Tom is cool as fuck with a great sense of humour. He's probably worked the hardest out of all the NG staff but he never complains about it or anything.

Reed · January 29, 2009 07:00 PM

soy desu

rtil · January 29, 2009 07:15 PM

Quote from: lenkabisca
Quote from: rtilinteresting how it seems the newgrounds staff has always been that way - a bunch of tightwads and assholes, and then there's tom fulp, who seems to never get angry at anything

Tom is cool as fuck with a great sense of humour. He's probably worked the hardest out of all the NG staff but he never complains about it or anything.

i agree. i think that's just the kind of person he is, although you also have to take into account that he's pretty much set for life now, so everything negative would have a natural tendency to bounce off of him. i mean he really has no reason for a bunch of greasy teenagers yapping and whining on the bbs to affect him because they can't touch him.

Ashington · January 29, 2009 07:33 PM

Quote from: rtil
Quote from: lenkabisca
Quote from: rtilinteresting how it seems the newgrounds staff has always been that way - a bunch of tightwads and assholes, and then there's tom fulp, who seems to never get angry at anything

Tom is cool as fuck with a great sense of humour. He's probably worked the hardest out of all the NG staff but he never complains about it or anything.
i agree. i think that's just the kind of person he is, although you also have to take into account that he's pretty much set for life now, so everything negative would have a natural tendency to bounce off of him. i mean he really has no reason for a bunch of greasy teenagers yapping and whining on the bbs to affect him because they can't touch him.

It would be safe to say that out of the many people on the internet we're supposed to "respect", Tom is one of the few people who actually deserves it without a shadow of doubt.

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