here we a go

[mishkamash]

it does sound kinda lame but Bolt seems to be a good character IF HE WASN'T A KRYPTO RIPOFF

[Thor]

it does sound kinda lame but Bolt seems to be a good character IF HE WASN'T A KRYPTO RIPOFF

Even worse is that Krypto is a ripoff of (dwar) Superman, but the idea of animal superheroes goes back to pre-1950s with Mighty Mouse, but even Mighty Mouse rips off the superhero comics of the 1930s-1950s, and those all rip off the golem of Jewish folklore (lord knows what that's ripping off).

I can't say for certain because no one's seen it, but I'd honestly be more disappointed with a run of the mill plot with the happy, campy ending that's always at the end of Disney films.

[MRat]

it does sound kinda lame but Bolt seems to be a good character IF HE WASN'T A KRYPTO RIPOFF

Even worse is that Krypto is a ripoff of (dwar) Superman, but the idea of animal superheroes goes back to pre-1950s with Mighty Mouse, but even Mighty Mouse rips off the superhero comics of the 1930s-1950s, and those all rip off the golem of Jewish folklore (lord knows what that's ripping off).

I can't say for certain because no one's seen it, but I'd honestly be more disappointed with a run of the mill plot with the happy, campy ending that's always at the end of Disney films.

Are you seriously comparing Superman to Kafka's Golem? And more imporantly Krypto isn't a ripoff of Superman, he's a goddamn sidekick with the same abilities, just like Supergirl. Why? Because they're from the same planet.

[Thor]

Yes I am comparing Superman to the golem. Clearly you've never read the Adventures of Kavalier and Clay.

[wps]

superman isn't summoned by a hooknose!
golems are big walkin lumps of clay that cant say shit and are slaves of the jews
just like
da white man
will soon be
the slave of the jews
if we lose
da big racewars
!

superman actually reminds me more of Nietzsche
"Superman" is almost a fuckin direct translation of "übermensch"
Krypton is a planet of human-like creatures that reached the übermensch phase by doing some purist shit

we are just shitty creatures that aren't apes and aren't übermenschen
however
THE KRYPTONIANITIANS ARE
ÜBERMENSCHEN

it could also be some sort of nazi propaganda
kind of like how Christians thought there was this Christian king in Asia called prester John that would come over to Europe one day and kill da mongol invaders
(which never happened because mongols are da real masterrace, but that's besides the point)
SUPERMAN is like a Nazi version of prester john
As soon as the white man is in danger
he will show up out of space
and kill all da evil black invaders etc.


actually i do wonder, are there any black people living on krypton?

[MRat]

Uhm, Superman is a comic book.

Also, I'm inclined to agree with WPS here. I'm willing to bet Schuster and Siegel (who ARE hooknoses btw!) didn't even consider the Golem. Not once.

[Thor]

Clearly you've never read the Adventures of Kavalier and Clay.

^^ this

and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem#The_classic_narrative

The golem was a being that defended the weak and defenseless and was around centuries before comics and cartoons.

So tell me, oh great art historian, how are the early superhero comics NOT based on the golem? Both Dennis Kitchen and James Sturm profess the importance of Yiddish literature and theater in comics; show me some evidence that can counter these experts and I'll believe that  those comics have absolutely NOTHING to do with Yiddish culture and the golem.

For extra points, prove to me that Will Eisner didn't include any Yiddish themes in The Spirit and his later graphic novels.

for extra, extra, big bonus points, disprove http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/shows/shtetl/

[wps]

lmao, i was kinda joking in my earlier post


But.. uhm, the wikipedia article doesn't agree with you.
The golem was created
CREATED
CCCCRRRREEEEAAAAAATEEDDDDD
to defend the jews.
And in one version he did this well and in other versions he went too far.

That doesnt have ANYTHING to do with Superman, except for him protecting people.

A golem is a created creature, who is a slave, who is dumb and who is incapable of understanding what he is doing, unlike superman.

I really don't see any things that the golem and superman have in common!

So please tell me, what the golem and superman have in common, next to protecting the weak.

Look, every culture, including jewish etc, makes stories in which justice kicks the ass of injustice.
Basicly, we write these stories because we want to escape the unfair world.
This is why we come up with things like karma, heaven and hell, other paranormal justice, and afcourse, heroes, gods and artificial humanoids that fight in the name of justice.
It could very well be possible that Superman was inspired by something Yiddish
But I REALLY can't see any connection between him and the golem.
Because as far as I know, Superman is a bloke who's able to think for himself and who isn't created by those who require protection.
Maybe he's more like, THE WARRIOR OF YAHWEHHHH!!!

The old testament is full of revenge, and people getting their asses kicked for the "injustice" they do, so in that point of view, Superman is indeed Jewish as hell.

[MRat]

The shrew defended his family long before man walked the Earth. Looks like Superman is based off shrews!

[wps]

^lmao


wait right there
SHREWS
ARE NOT
THE FIRST CREATURES ON EARTH
WHO PROTECT THEIR FAMILY

goddamnit this is fucking plagiarism

[MRat]

FUCK SHREWS! Unoriginal sons of bitches ban them from NewGrounds!

Protozoa, the original SuperMan.

[wps]

in another dimension there lived an ancient civilization of comic book nerds, and when their planet got crushed by a giant spermazoid from a galactic supercreature their cries, hopes, and ideas echoed into the empty universe, and their ideas swooshed into our dimension and their voices sang into our brains

and now

we will imitate their civilization until we
will face the spermazoid

[MRat]

in another dimension there lived an ancient civilization of comic book nerds, and when their planet got crushed by a giant spermazoid from a galactic supercreature their cries, hopes, and ideas echoed into the empty universe, and their ideas swooshed into our dimension and their voices sang into our brains

and now

we will imitate their civilization until we
will face the spermazoid

The Spermazoid comes 2012

[wps]

be
afraid