L33T Kr3W Reanimation

[MindChamber]

I don't see "the tba members are the only ones meant to have opinions " mentioned anywhere.

Im too busy to search through all of rtil posts in which he demeans the audience of newgrounds for their poor choices and lack of insight.  but since you're so anal, you can do it.

um excuse me but do you want to say rtil shouldn't have an opinion about other people's opinion?

on the contrary  I have no problems with his opinions,  no matter how flawed and one sided they maybe.

but on the same token  I should be allowed to make uneducated opinions of you guys as well no?

[sQueef]

You are allowed to. But that doesn't mean we aren't going to nitpick at them and start a huge gayfest like we always end up doing fOR SOME ODD REASON UNBEKNOWN TO MYSELF, people just like bickering I guess.

But I will say this, you shouldn't consider this place as "Star Syndicate - With less exclusivity!" because this place is nothing like that but yeah I am gonna stop typi,,...;

[ZekeySpaceyLizard]

Boys and girls take warning, if you go near the lake
Keep your eyes wide open, and look for sneaky snake
Now maybe you wont see him, maybe you wont hear
But hell sneak up behind you, and drink all your root beer

And then sneaky snake goes dancin, wigglin and a-hissin
Sneaky snake goes dancin, gigglin and a-kissin
I dont like old sneaky snake; he laughs too much you see
When he goes wigglin through the grass, it tickles his underneath

Well, sneaky snake drinks root beer, and he just makes me sick
When he is not dancin, he looks just like a stick
Now, he doesnt have any arms or legs, you cannot see his ears
And while we are not lookin, hes stealin all of our beer

And then sneaky snake goes dancin, wigglin and a-hissin
Sneaky snake goes dancin, gigglin and a-kissin
I dont like old sneaky snake; he laughs too much you see
When he goes wigglin through the grass, it tickles his underneath

[sQueef]

2 User(s) are reading this topic (0 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
2 Members: Squeef, Zekey

[rtil]

half you faggots cant even TWEEN right much less fbf.

wait a minute - since when did you need to be an animator to deserve to have an opinion about an animation? the audience makes or breaks the success of a cartoon or a film, and their opinion is important regardless of whether they're an animator, director, actor, or what have you. are you really that self-righteous that you believe otherwise?

HAHA OMG,  you actually WROTE THAT?
Arent you the same person who labels every user on NG idiots and morons?  and what gives YOU the right to do that? because you can draw? because you anime library is bigger than theirs?  Pffft.  hypocrite

im just having fun throwing the same bullshit around that most of you hang yourself with.  get off your soapbox already.

what a typical shortsighted response from you. well first of all i'd love to get the quote where i said everyone on newgrounds was an idiot and a moron. that's probably why i go there and all the friends i've made in the flash animation community are mostly from newgrounds. come on, that doesn't even make any sense. you definitely need to actually read what i write (since you are so concerned about it) instead of skim it and make a general uneducated opinion.

what is this about anime? you come up with the worst insults, they don't even make any sense. and you are so full of shit, like you respect my work and treat me like a friend on my newgrounds posts ("great job being nominated! your piece was excellent and wel deserved! " - you, May. 7, 2008 | 6:33 AM), and then come here and insult and generalize everything i've done - and i am the one who's two faced? look in the mirror.

i never forced you to read my news posts and journals, so stop acting like i threw them in your face. you are the one who clicked on my page, you are the one who came to my website. i never come to your page or your website and tell you how to live your life. they are my OPINIONS, and i believe everyone has the right to them. and you're asking me to "get off my soapbox" and stop writing, because i disagree with you. get over yourself.

[wps]

Mindchamber is to Newgrounds what the CIA is to America
If you talk shit about America outside of America the CIA will hunt you down in their spandex nazi uniforms and try to kill you but they CANT BECAUSE EUROPEANS ARE GENETICALLY SUPERIOR AND CAN KICK THEIR ASS IN NO TIME!!!

[sQueef]

viva la hollnad rite wps????

love me

[wps]

not as great as Spain
right mindchamber?

[MindChamber]

what a typical shortsighted response from you. well first of all i'd love to get the quote where i said everyone on newgrounds was an idiot and a moron. that's probably why i go there and all the friends i've made in the flash animation community are mostly from newgrounds. come on, that doesn't even make any sense. you definitely need to actually read what i write (since you are so concerned about it) instead of skim it and make a general uneducated opinion.

seriously dude, if you are saying you never insulted the newgrounds audience and stated the audience has went down the crapper on several occasions, then you must be skizto,
but fuck it I wont bring it up anymore. cause this argument will never end.

what is this about anime? you come up with the worst insults, they don't even make any sense. and you are so full of shit, like you respect my work and treat me like a friend on my newgrounds posts ("great job being nominated! your piece was excellent and wel deserved! " - you, May. 7, 2008 | 6:33 AM), and then come here and insult and generalize everything i've done - and i am the one who's two faced? look in the mirror.

haha dude, why must you think because I like your work, that I must no longer have an opinion on you personally?  you serious?  I must respect YOU to respect your art? come on.
I merely giving you and an example of how you generalize NG and other people and how you chastise others for not having the same opinion as yours.

i never forced you to read my news posts and journals, so stop acting like i threw them in your face. you are the one who clicked on my page, you are the one who came to my website. i never come to your page or your website and tell you how to live your life. they are my OPINIONS, and i believe everyone has the right to them. and you're asking me to "get off my soapbox" and stop writing, because i disagree with you. get over yourself.

no you never forced anyone, but you invite people to your site, its in your blogs, your flashes so I came, just like others do.
when people disagree they debate,  I disagree with your opinions about NG and its audience big deal,
and once and for all, Liking your work as an artist, and not as a person are to different things,  who did you think got you nominated?
Mike Tyson is the best boxer on the planet, and is the biggest asshole in the world,  i can still respect him for his talent as a boxer.  same shit here.

[CoolDrMoney]

This music has me surprisingly relaxed in this very heated (and pointless) argument!

[MindChamber]

This music has me surprisingly relaxed in this very heated (and pointless) argument!

lol,  he wins  im done.. he's right, you're right.

[psi43]

Klitschko is a way better boxer than Tyson, what are you talking about.

[rtil]

uh well i don't give a damn if you don't like me as a person, but you insult my work when you're here and act like you love it when you're on newgrounds. that's you being your favorite insult - two-faced. i have said that the standard of quality of newgrounds is pretty low, and that generally it's very easy to entertain and gain an audience on newgrounds. i think even you would agree that a large portion of newgrounds are just 13 year olds looking for hentai and video game parodies laced with profanity.

[Hammi]

I agree with Rtil there, but... cant we just make love everybody <3 (text wall)

Rtil just wants to straighten some issues out on NG concerning the audience, while MC is taking this as an insult against everything hes helping to represent. But at the same time, it might seem like Rtil is underestimating the magic that still lies within NG waiting to bloom. And therefore it almost looks like hes undermining the multiple talents that exist there, but personally i dont wish to see it that way. More like voicing an opinion on what is possibly holding NG back in some aspects. And maybe do something about it like encouraging future artists to choose a good path to their own careers. Take me as an example. Jesus Christ, i was stacking everything i had on the anime category without choosing my own way of drawing things. Why? Because i was affected by the mainstream which had me walking confused into a path that had none of the qualities that i needed for my artistic spirit. Zekey was one of those who warned me not to combine anime with my own twist. It turned out completely fucked up. I wasnt ready for anime. And i dont care anymore about anime because there are better paths to choose.

I understand that MC wishes to defend the values of NG, by any means including those that have been personally accepted by the audience. Standing up tall for the audience and listening to them because without them there wouldnt have been "magic" in the air. And MC knows that very well. Raising a generation of new artists isnt easy because of the enormous amount of overexaggerated mainstream materials which influence that gets to everyone, but we're all taking a part to make a difference in the mix. Different tastes, different opinions, different views but guys... all we ever want is to bring joy through our artistic work. You two just have to find a way to.. fit your goals together. We all want the best out of the whole. So what if you dont share the same opinions on some flash, the real problem is how we will be able to equally benefit from our works. And the way of how we look at problems must be considered carefully otherwise we end up bashing each others. Instead of taking the opinions on the issues as insults, we must work it out in a way that it comes to a common interest. Theres always a way to make it work together because we just want to please our audience, following with a responsibility that allows us to shape the audiences meanings as well, in other words influence.

Its up to you how you want it, but preferably its better off that both sides are satisfied. Instead of having artists pumping their fists into something theyre not even into in attempt to appeal to the folks. Nowadays many artists are mad because things get easily overrated, having their work over trampled with repetitive themes and work. Stuffs like these are really annoying when theyre going on in an endless circle long enough to convince the audience that there cant possibly be anything better out there. Wrong.

Rtil is a good guy. MC is a good guy. Sharing the same purpose: to entertain. How to treat the audience and how to reach them at the same time is something you guys just have to fit together, like plumbing. No matter how many channels there are in a pipe, the fluid still has to reach one destination. And that destination is what helps us to appreciate each others as artists, because we kept the fluid running and everybody is happy.

[MindChamber]

uh well i don't give a damn if you don't like me as a person, but you insult my work when you're here and act like you love it when you're on newgrounds. that's you being your favorite insult - two-faced.

now look whos reading into things,  Ive never insulted your work, I made a sarcastic remark stating just because you can draw and have a large anime collection you think you can answer for all of us..  so no I didn't insult your work ...
as for being two face, no.. Ive liked your work before I discovered your forum,  and I still like your work after.  if you cant distinguish the two that's your problem

i have said that the standard of quality of newgrounds is pretty low, and that generally it's very easy to entertain and gain an audience on newgrounds. i think even you would agree that a large portion of newgrounds are just 13 year olds looking for hentai and video game parodies laced with profanity.

no I wouldn't agree  because your making an assessment based on opinion, yet you present it as fact, which it isnt.  If that was the case then half of the artist on there wouldn't even try.

It only appears that fast, funny, and cheap gets FP more than epic flashes because the epic flashes take longer.  what are we supposed to do?  keep the frontpage blank until something more substantial arises?

anyway whatever, youre right  I'm wrong case closed,.

[wps]

damn i like sneaky snake

[texas]

wasnt there a thread for shit mindchamber vs rtil arguments like this

[wps]

lets change the topic to sneaky snake

[mishkamash]

[attachment=1642:11038157...Wdribble.gif]

[wps]

this woman ruined all my wet dreams about mona ):