Religious Zealots Online

[Animegamer]

Side Note: This thread isn't about WoW, its about freedom of religion vs freedom of speech

Today I was playing WoW and running a dungeon(BRD), the mage died and yelled "god dammit". Which was understandable... I probably would have done the same thing. Suddenly the group leader (a dwarf priest) kicked him from the group. I asked why and he said "he took the lords name in vain" Ok... what the hell was my first thoughts, I left the group in protest and wound up getting into a long debate with him on freedom of religion vs freedom of speech.

Ok first of all im shocked, I knew we had people like this watching fox news, hand crafting wicker baskets and telling us how evil Harry Potter and Pokemon is, but when did these people start coming online? I understand this is just a game, but I have seen the same thing happen in real life many times and it makes me very angry.

Whats your opinion on  freedom of religion vs freedom of speech?

[trent bortknob]

fuck you

[psi43]

Play the pokerap backwards and you will hear "I love satan". It's a fact, I tried it myself.

[rtil]

it's his group, he can kick him whenever the hell he damn well pleases. if you want a group where people are free to express themselves, then make one

[Hammi]

I think everybody got the right to express themselves. All people got their different opinions, and we cant look away from the fact that theyre gonna say it anyway. But also, i believe that the freedom of speech comes with a responsibility. Unless some people come with an aggressive or offensive shout about someones heritage or religion whatever, we cant suppress whatever that is inside of us.

No one can push a different opinion on somebody else who doesnt agree with it. Like, "Jesus has blessed me, and i must spread the love to others, or they will go to hell". People out there got a mind of their own, and everything is logically up to them what to do in life. Forcing something up on someone will only create conflicts and bitterness.

BUT, theres this another thing called respect. If you go out to the public and start doing something that some people might find offensive, they either get sad/trampled on or literally pissed off. If you already know what values some people find holy, you dont wanna disrespect that otherwise that cultural bridge of understanding may collapse and you will be hated. But then again, some defend that kind of act saying that "its the way of the freedom of speech". Not realizing that theyre only picking on that specific group by mocking something that the group find sacred, and that way the society might in the worst case be splitted up cause they dont wanna live with people who keep hitting down on them. If people only understood each others, they would know what others find offensive, and what some people dont think its a big deal.

Theres just this limit of how far someone can go when they use the freedom of speech, to speak and be heard of while raising interesting perspectives of a society or whatever. But also, some need to accept others opinion no matter how harsh it sounds, because there will always be something others find offensive and they just gotta deal with it... as long as its not in a systematical mocking manner.

Just bringing this up, that the Muhammad caricature controversy stirred up a lot of hatred on both sides. Muslims who saw that caricature in the newspapers were rather angry and disappointed with the authorities because they didnt help preventing something that the Muslims meant that it was "a pure mockery of our prophet". By the blind eye, yes it was an unnecessary caricature that was published, but when looking back on it, the caricature actually reflects a point about some certain Muslims and their current situation today, in a some sort of a symbolic way. The prophet, with a bomb in the turban, now what could that mean? Id say its a reflection of a way the extremists have chosen out there when they kill in the name of Allah and their prophet. Can you see any connection here? Im not saying that the even larger numbers of ordinary Muslims of the world are all responsible for all the bad things, but those fanatics quickly overrun the headlines worldwide, to soon become something that are representing their religion in a bad and violent way. And thats what i believe how the whole thing is connected to the perspective of that caricature. Hell, im a Muslim myself and i rather wanna go deep into subjects that might seem offending at sight than going all nuts and being blinded by hate. I rather wanna get to the bottom of it, before i express my opinion. And THAT is how the freedom of speech should work for me. But unfortunately, not many people out there are so bright as we could hope for.

Understand and set the whole thing straight before throwing up hate on each others. If you fully understand the reason for something that might seem offending, you gotta deal with it and learn from it. Theres always a reason that people keep coming up with that sort of stuffs all the time. But if some moron decides to draw Muhammad eating a dick or whatever, then its purely idiotic and unnecessary. Oh yeah its supposed to reflect hate or distrust or whatever, but doing it up like THAT is totally uncalled for, and we dont need that sort of crap pushed up on us unless you want us to break bonds.

ANYWAYS, i wouldnt get offended by someone if they said "god dammit", because i know thats just the way that person thinks. If he wishes to express himself that way, then its fine cause i understand him. He interprets the life in a more different way than i do. And i accept him for that. Again, people got a mind of their own. I cant control them by my own opinions, and you cant controll them by your own opinions. Its a big world after all, with millions of different views of life out there. The important thing is that their mind is free and its up to them how they wanna speak out to the world.

[Nadroj0711]

Did you honestly believe anyone actually read any of that? I mean, seriously, some people who really care about this topic may read it, but the vast majority of people will only read the first two and/or last two sentences if you're lucky. I'm not even sure how you managed to generate so many sentences out of your opinion.

Sure, I have opinions, too, but I can usually sum them up in a few quick sentences, which in this case would create a bigger impact to the reader since they actually read it all. I'm going to copy and paste these sentences a few times to make this seem longer. Did you honestly believe anyone actually read any of that?

I mean, seriously, some people who really care about this topic may read it, but the vast majority of people will only read the first two and/or last two sentences if you're lucky. I'm not even sure how you managed to generate so many sentences out of your opinion. Sure, I have opinions, too, but I can usually sum them up in a few quick sentences, which in this case would create a bigger impact to the reader since they actually read it all. I'm going to copy and paste these sentences a few times to make this seem longer. Did you honestly believe anyone actually read any of that? I mean, seriously, some people who really care about this topic may read it, but the vast majority of people will only read the first two and/or last two sentences if you're lucky. I'm not even sure how you managed to generate so many sentences out of your opinion. Sure, I have opinions, too, but I can usually sum them up in a few quick sentences, which in this case would create a bigger impact to the reader since they actually read it all. I'm going to copy and paste these sentences a few times to make this seem longer. Did you honestly believe anyone actually read any of that? I mean, seriously, some people who really care about this topic may read it, but the vast majority of people will only read the first two and/or last two sentences if you're lucky.

I'm not even sure how you managed to generate so many sentences out of your opinion. Sure, I have opinions, too, but I can usually sum them up in a few quick sentences, which in this case would create a bigger impact to the reader since they actually read it all. I'm going to copy and paste these sentences a few times to make this seem longer. Did you honestly believe anyone actually read any of that? I mean, seriously, some people who really care about this topic may read it, but the vast majority of people will only read the first two and/or last two sentences if you're lucky. I'm not even sure how you managed to generate so many sentences out of your opinion. Sure, I have opinions, too, but I can usually sum them up in a few quick sentences, which in this case would create a bigger impact to the reader since they actually read it all. I'm going to copy and paste these sentences a few times to make this seem longer.

[Hammi]

Did you honestly believe anyone actually read any of that? I mean, seriously, some people who really care about this topic may read it, but the vast majority of people will only read the first two and/or last two sentences if you're lucky. I'm not even sure how you managed to generate so many sentences out of your opinion.

Sure, I have opinions, too, but I can usually sum them up in a few quick sentences, which in this case would create a bigger impact to the reader since they actually read it all. I'm going to copy and paste these sentences a few times to make this seem longer. Did you honestly believe anyone actually read any of that?

I mean, seriously, some people who really care about this topic may read it, but the vast majority of people will only read the first two and/or last two sentences if you're lucky. I'm not even sure how you managed to generate so many sentences out of your opinion. Sure, I have opinions, too, but I can usually sum them up in a few quick sentences, which in this case would create a bigger impact to the reader since they actually read it all. I'm going to copy and paste these sentences a few times to make this seem longer. Did you honestly believe anyone actually read any of that? I mean, seriously, some people who really care about this topic may read it, but the vast majority of people will only read the first two and/or last two sentences if you're lucky. I'm not even sure how you managed to generate so many sentences out of your opinion. Sure, I have opinions, too, but I can usually sum them up in a few quick sentences, which in this case would create a bigger impact to the reader since they actually read it all. I'm going to copy and paste these sentences a few times to make this seem longer. Did you honestly believe anyone actually read any of that? I mean, seriously, some people who really care about this topic may read it, but the vast majority of people will only read the first two and/or last two sentences if you're lucky.

I'm not even sure how you managed to generate so many sentences out of your opinion. Sure, I have opinions, too, but I can usually sum them up in a few quick sentences, which in this case would create a bigger impact to the reader since they actually read it all. I'm going to copy and paste these sentences a few times to make this seem longer. Did you honestly believe anyone actually read any of that? I mean, seriously, some people who really care about this topic may read it, but the vast majority of people will only read the first two and/or last two sentences if you're lucky. I'm not even sure how you managed to generate so many sentences out of your opinion. Sure, I have opinions, too, but I can usually sum them up in a few quick sentences, which in this case would create a bigger impact to the reader since they actually read it all. I'm going to copy and paste these sentences a few times to make this seem longer.

Lmfao. Glad to hear that i managed to inflict pain on your brain.

[Nadroj0711]

actually i didn't read it LOL

[mishkamash]

okay then!

[Hammi]

Im much smarter than all of you!

[mishkamash]

good god he\\\'s making it shake

it hurts my eyes

oh and all this typing over an MMORPG lmao u guyz r teh laemrz! xD

[trent bortknob]

Im much smarter than all of you!

DIE FAGGOT

[Animegamer]

I think everybody got the right to express themselves. All people got their different opinions, and we cant look away from the fact that theyre gonna say it anyway. But also, i believe that the freedom of speech comes with a responsibility. Unless some people come with an aggressive or offensive shout about someones heritage or religion whatever, we cant suppress whatever that is inside of us.

No one can push a different opinion on somebody else who doesnt agree with it. Like, "Jesus has blessed me, and i must spread the love to others, or they will go to hell". People out there got a mind of their own, and everything is logically up to them what to do in life. Forcing something up on someone will only create conflicts and bitterness.

BUT, theres this another thing called respect. If you go out to the public and start doing something that some people might find offensive, they either get sad/trampled on or literally pissed off. If you already know what values some people find holy, you dont wanna disrespect that otherwise that cultural bridge of understanding may collapse and you will be hated. But then again, some defend that kind of act saying that "its the way of the freedom of speech". Not realizing that theyre only picking on that specific group by mocking something that the group find sacred, and that way the society might in the worst case be splitted up cause they dont wanna live with people who keep hitting down on them. If people only understood each others, they would know what others find offensive, and what some people dont think its a big deal.

Theres just this limit of how far someone can go when they use the freedom of speech, to speak and be heard of while raising interesting perspectives of a society or whatever. But also, some need to accept others opinion no matter how harsh it sounds, because there will always be something others find offensive and they just gotta deal with it... as long as its not in a systematical mocking manner.

Just bringing this up, that the Muhammad caricature controversy stirred up a lot of hatred on both sides. Muslims who saw that caricature in the newspapers were rather angry and disappointed with the authorities because they didnt help preventing something that the Muslims meant that it was "a pure mockery of our prophet". By the blind eye, yes it was an unnecessary caricature that was published, but when looking back on it, the caricature actually reflects a point about some certain Muslims and their current situation today, in a some sort of a symbolic way. The prophet, with a bomb in the turban, now what could that mean? Id say its a reflection of a way the extremists have chosen out there when they kill in the name of Allah and their prophet. Can you see any connection here? Im not saying that the even larger numbers of ordinary Muslims of the world are all responsible for all the bad things, but those fanatics quickly overrun the headlines worldwide, to soon become something that are representing their religion in a bad and violent way. And thats what i believe how the whole thing is connected to the perspective of that caricature. Hell, im a Muslim myself and i rather wanna go deep into subjects that might seem offending at sight than going all nuts and being blinded by hate. I rather wanna get to the bottom of it, before i express my opinion. And THAT is how the freedom of speech should work for me. But unfortunately, not many people out there are so bright as we could hope for.

Understand and set the whole thing straight before throwing up hate on each others. If you fully understand the reason for something that might seem offending, you gotta deal with it and learn from it. Theres always a reason that people keep coming up with that sort of stuffs all the time. But if some moron decides to draw Muhammad eating a dick or whatever, then its purely idiotic and unnecessary. Oh yeah its supposed to reflect hate or distrust or whatever, but doing it up like THAT is totally uncalled for, and we dont need that sort of crap pushed up on us unless you want us to break bonds.

ANYWAYS, i wouldnt get offended by someone if they said "god dammit", because i know thats just the way that person thinks. If he wishes to express himself that way, then its fine cause i understand him. He interprets the life in a more different way than i do. And i accept him for that. Again, people got a mind of their own. I cant control them by my own opinions, and you cant controll them by your own opinions. Its a big world after all, with millions of different views of life out there. The important thing is that their mind is free and its up to them how they wanna speak out to the world.

[fleek]

Play the pokerap backwards and you will hear "I love satan". It's a fact, I tried it myself.

i tried that a long time ago ye it works

ps mmorpgs and all them other online games are SHIT.

[Nadroj0711]

mp3 please

[rtil]

now it's time to bring it arrroouuuuunnd tooown

[zomfgbie]

i hate world of warcraft. i played the demo for 10 minutes and it felt like my brain was going to claw out of my skull.

[Hammi]

Where the hell did you get that from? O.o Anyways, id say the mindless Muslims of today are rather the ones whining. Muhammad was the most tolerant Muslim to exist back then.

DIE FAGGOT

I WILL TAKE YOU WITH ME INFIDEL

*BOOM*

[Necronomitr0n]

http://www.netauthority.org/

[Hammi]

http://www.netauthority.org/

Lmfao. I bet they sympathize with companies who try to push global net cencorship on us. Fuck them.