God Dammit

[Clutch]

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/417211
this is the reason why stick movies get a bad rap. shitty animators like him who think that they will instantly be an animating god just because they own a copy of flash and have watched people like terkoiz and Oscar. (Im talking strictly stick animators, i know that people are better than those 2.). He Has to Practice more and then come back and post. He needs to go lurk and post at places like SPP and SL, then get better and post again, but for some god damn reason i guess he thought that this was good. He even gets a fucking 2.7. That is bullshit.
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[rtil]

well what do you expect? sticks are easy to draw and accessible to almost any human being. therefore most people are going to take a shot at it first. and animation is an exciting new medium for anyone to dive into.
you're gonna have to live with the flack - stick animation will never be held in high regard.

[zomfgbie]

damnit i hate sticks. i cant understand why youre trying to make sticks sound like a morale art, its for 13 year old kids whove watched the matrix too many times

[Clutch]

well what do you expect? sticks are easy to draw and accessible to almost any human being. therefore most people are going to take a shot at it first. and animation is an exciting new medium for anyone to dive into.
you're gonna have to live with the flack - stick animation will never be held in high regard.

I agree, almost completely. The only thing in what you said that shouldn't (not saying its not.)  be true is that stick animating will never be held in high regard. I think that there are certain stick animations that some full body animators will never touch because they are so fast paced, well done, and done on a stick animators turf. If a full body/traditional animator tried to pull off some of the aspects,topics, and lengths that stick animators animate with they would either fail miserably, or if they actually did it well, would take them around 2 years. so I'm gonna add to what you just said.

Crappy stick animations shouldn't be held in high regard. Quality stick animations however, should be held in high regard.

This is towards Freek-C too, im not trying to make them a morale art its just that, for people who enjoy animating sticks, or who are not able to animate full body, sticks is the way to go. But if someone makes a quality stick animation its bashed and ripped on just for being a stick animation, no matter how good it is.

[W.A.C.]

The only stick flashes I've seen that I like is the Animation vs. Animator flashes and Fancy Pants Adventures. I usually don't even like the "high quality" stick flashes. The "high quality" stick flashes that act all serious annoy the heck out of me. They're fucking sticks. If you want to make a high quality flash movie with a very serious plot, try to use something other than sticks. I know that remark probably doesn't mean much coming from me considering how terrible I am at flash but if I was going to make a serious flash movie, I would never use sticks.

[Clutch]

The only stick flashes I've seen that I like is the Animation vs. Animator flashes and Fancy Pants Adventures. I usually don't even like the "high quality" stick flashes. The "high quality" stick flashes that act all serious annoy the heck out of me. They're fucking sticks. If you want to make a high quality flash movie with a very serious plot, try to use something other than sticks. I know that remark probably doesn't mean much coming from me considering how terrible I am at flash but if I was going to make a serious flash movie, I would never use sticks.

why should it matter if they are sticks, drawing abliity should have no say in how high a caliber an animator is. Oscar (the author of the castle series.) just simply prefers sticks, others just dont have the ability to draw a good figure. What should determine the score of a submission should be the quality of the animation not just simply the quality of the art (although the art should have some say, it shouldnt completely determine whether the animation.)

[notorious]

stick figures are meant to be a base for character design. Once you're done with your stick figure, you're SUPPOSED to move on to adding more detail on everything, head, legs, etc. until it looks like a cartoon human.

Therefore, since a stick figure is essentially an incomplete character design, it should never be held above a full drawn character.

[W.A.C.]

why should it matter if they are sticks, drawing abliity should have no say in how high a caliber an animator is. Oscar (the author of the castle series.) just simply prefers sticks, others just dont have the ability to draw a good figure. What should determine the score of a submission should be the quality of the animation not just simply the quality of the art (although the art should have some say, it shouldnt completely determine whether the animation.)

For the Castle series, I only watched episodes 1, 2, and part 1 of episode 3. Because the characters were sticks with a serious plot, the whole thing ended up looking really stupid. Also, if everyone voted on submissions based solely on their animation, flashes that have both really good animation and really good art wouldn't get the respect those flashes deserve.

[Clutch]

stick figures are meant to be a base for character design. Once you're done with your stick figure, you're SUPPOSED to move on to adding more detail on everything, head, legs, etc. until it looks like a cartoon human.

Therefore, since a stick figure is essentially an incomplete character design, it should never be held above a full drawn character.

im not saying that it should be held above a fullbody animation im saying that they both have strong and weak points in their styles of animating and that on certain aspects one can be above the other and they can be level.

Also I think i would call the castles figures sticks and they are quite detailed and are a finished design, just cause something is a stick figure doesn't mean its an unfinished design, but because of its lack of great and certain details it isn't and will never (nor should it) be held above a fully skinned out character. Therefore (at least in the way i think of it and explain it.) we are both right and wrong in talking of a sticks design.

EDIT: This is aimed at W.A.C: Like i said the art should some (if not major.) say in the final score, it just shouldn't rule over the animation aspects of the submission. The main score (2/4) should be based on animation and art should be the secondary score taking over about 1.5/4 and .5 (depending on the type of movie.) should be based on humor.
All of these might change (in minor incriments.) depending on the type of movie it is.

[mishkamash]

i use sticks to help me draw an i think it's kool!

[Clutch]

i use sticks to help me draw an i think it's kool!

this isnt about using sticks to help you draw just so you know....

[rtil]

I agree, almost completely. The only thing in what you said that shouldn't (not saying its not.)  be true is that stick animating will never be held in high regard. I think that there are certain stick animations that some full body animators will never touch because they are so fast paced, well done, and done on a stick animators turf. If a full body/traditional animator tried to pull off some of the aspects,topics, and lengths that stick animators animate with they would either fail miserably, or if they actually did it well, would take them around 2 years. so I'm gonna add to what you just said.

Crappy stick animations shouldn't be held in high regard. Quality stick animations however, should be held in high regard.

that is a load of tripe. you should check out some clips from Richard William's "Thief and the Cobbler". I'd love to see any stick animator get an OUNCE of the fluid animation and expression that those characters had.

why should it matter if they are sticks, drawing abliity should have no say in how high a caliber an animator is. Oscar (the author of the castle series.) just simply prefers sticks, others just dont have the ability to draw a good figure. What should determine the score of a submission should be the quality of the animation not just simply the quality of the art (although the art should have some say, it shouldnt completely determine whether the animation.)

solid drawing is one of the 12 principles of animation. if you can't draw, you can't animate. stick are made out of lines. a 5 year old could draw a line in flash.

[Clutch]

I agree, almost completely. The only thing in what you said that shouldn't (not saying its not.)  be true is that stick animating will never be held in high regard. I think that there are certain stick animations that some full body animators will never touch because they are so fast paced, well done, and done on a stick animators turf. If a full body/traditional animator tried to pull off some of the aspects,topics, and lengths that stick animators animate with they would either fail miserably, or if they actually did it well, would take them around 2 years. so I'm gonna add to what you just said.

Crappy stick animations shouldn't be held in high regard. Quality stick animations however, should be held in high regard.

that is a load of tripe. you should check out some clips from Richard William's "Thief and the Cobbler". I'd love to see any stick animator get an OUNCE of the fluid animation and expression that those characters had.

why should it matter if they are sticks, drawing abliity should have no say in how high a caliber an animator is. Oscar (the author of the castle series.) just simply prefers sticks, others just dont have the ability to draw a good figure. What should determine the score of a submission should be the quality of the animation not just simply the quality of the art (although the art should have some say, it shouldnt completely determine whether the animation.)

solid drawing is one of the 12 principles of animation. if you can't draw, you can't animate. stick are made out of lines. a 5 year old could draw a line in flash.

Like i said, there are aspects that fullbody animators excel in and can reach levels where stick animators can never reach, but there are also (not very many.) aspects where stick animators excel in but fullbody animators (if good enough.) can reach, but easily. I know that full body is better than stick animating by far, but you gotta give stick animators more credit, if they are any good, than what is bing given. Because right now even the best stick animators get bashed just because they use sticks.

and towards your second quote, i cant draw (well, i can but for lack of a tablet, they cannot be transferred into flash easily.) and i animate fine, Terkoiz can draw but he chooses to use sticks because they get the job done and he animates them with a high amount of skill. and im aware that a young person can draw a line in flash, because over on SPP we have a 9 year old animator who is one of the best there.

[rtil]

that's exactly my point. it's easy to draw sticks, therefore it's easy to animate with them.

i also don't believe there is any aspect of stick animation which can demonstrate superior animation over full body.

[ZekeySpaceyLizard]

You really seriously believe half of what you are writing. It's shocking. It's like watching a kid in animeclub shriek about how Inuyasha is a good show while all the other members gawk.

why should it matter if they are sticks, drawing abliity should have no say in how high a caliber an animator is. Oscar (the author of the castle series.) just simply prefers sticks, others just dont have the ability to draw a good figure. What should determine the score of a submission should be the quality of the animation not just simply the quality of the art (although the art should have some say, it shouldnt completely determine whether the animation.)

Animation is a series of drawings. If the art sucks, the animation sucks, and the only thing that will make the film worth watching is if by some stroke of genius, it happens to be entertaining/funny/smart while it offends the eyes. Alot of Adult Swim cartoons fall into this category.
Alot of low-budget paper animation and foreign films fall into this category as well. Sadly, alot of stop motion as well.

Sticks are easy to draw. And they don't look professional. Ever.

im not saying that it should be held above a fullbody animation im saying that they both have strong and weak points in their styles of animating and that on certain aspects one can be above the other and they can be level.

Also I think i would call the castles figures sticks and they are quite detailed and are a finished design, just cause something is a stick figure doesn't mean its an unfinished design, but because of its lack of great and certain details it isn't and will never (nor should it) be held above a fully skinned out character. Therefore (at least in the way i think of it and explain it.) we are both right and wrong in talking of a sticks design.

There is no strong point to sticks. The simple reason people use sticks is because they are too lazy to actually design a character worth looking at, or because they belong to some sort of sad "stick figure club" where everyone HAS to draw sticks in order to fit in and not feel so lonely and pathetic.
Noone is saying sticks are an unfinished design. They are simply a lazy design.

I agree, almost completely. The only thing in what you said that shouldn't (not saying its not.)  be true is that stick animating will never be held in high regard. I think that there are certain stick animations that some full body animators will never touch because they are so fast paced, well done,

There's plenty of full-bodied fighting cartoons done in extremely fast-paced animation. The reason there aren't any online is because almost noone has felt like doing it. Because it takes time and effort. Alot more time and effort than drawing sticks. Not because stick figures are the only cartoons worth watching fight.
Yeah it takes a long time, because it requires the cartoon to be of a higher visual quality than "white screen with black line tool backround"

If a full body/traditional animator tried to pull off some of the aspects,topics, and lengths that stick animators animate with they would either fail miserably, or if they actually did it well, would take them around 2 years.

They'd also look alot better and be alot more fun to watch. Don't forget that part, BUDDEH!!





[!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=Clutch)--][div class=\\\'quotetop\\\']QUOTE(Clutch)[/div][div class=\\\'quotemain\\\'][!--quotec--]This is towards Freek-C too, im not trying to make them a morale art its just that, for people who enjoy animating sticks, or who are not able to animate full body, sticks is the way to go. But if someone makes a quality stick animation its bashed and ripped on just for being a stick animation, no matter how good it is.[/quote]


That's because even the best ones fail in comparison to good full-body animation. Just because the cartoon is sticks, doesn't mean it gets to be in it's own little bubble where it doesn't get compared and contrasted with everything else. Same with sprites. They all get judged by the same standards online because noone gives a shit and a half if you spent 5 years animating a stick kicking itself in the balls.




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[mishkamash]

damn zekey who are you i ask cuz i think yer kool!

[Clutch]

that's exactly my point. it's easy to draw sticks, therefore it's easy to animate with them.

i also don't believe there is any aspect of stick animation which can demonstrate superior animation over full body.

as i said, full body animators can reach higher than stick animators but stick animators can reach it faster and usually of a greater quality. What i mean by that is that if a stick animator and fullbody animator started animating at the same time, the stick animator would reach greater quality animation first but over time the fullbody will dominate.

Zekey- i read most of your post and first off Inuyasha sucks, anyone who thinks its good needs to die (lets not replace inuyasha with stick animation, mmm kay.)and second off most of your post is right, except that some people (me, for example.) cant draw in flash because of lack of a scanner and tablet, and i am utter shit with a mouse. also if the art sucks that does not instantly mean the animation sucks at all, it could be funny (like you said.) or it could be an incredibly well pulled off stick animation.

And i can see im losing this argument quite severely so im kinda done, although i do beleve that i mad at least some valid points throughout my arguments (please god say yes.)

damn zekey who are you i ask cuz i think yer kool!

How bout you either A. get out of this thread or B. Post something of importance to the thread not stuff like.
Oh i use sticks to draw characters i think that thats cool with a k and oh who is zekey he made me laugh hes even cooler with a k

[Clutch]

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/417211
this is the reason why stick movies get a bad rap. shitty animators like him who think that they will instantly be an animating god just because they own a copy of flash and have watched people like terkoiz and Oscar. (Im talking strictly stick animators, i know that people are better than those 2.). He Has to Practice more and then come back and post. He needs to go lurk and post at places like SPP and SL, then get better and post again, but for some god damn reason i guess he thought that this was good. He even gets a fucking 2.7. That is bullshit.
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yeah dood how DARE he desecrate the high internet artform known as stickman animation. im gonna go vote him a 0. and then vote 0 on everything he has submitted THAT'LL SHOW HIM.

I fucking hate you, and i dont even know you.

[mishkamash]

it's funny how this guy is overreacting

[Clutch]

it's funny how this guy is overreacting

if your talking to me, how in the world am i over reacting.