drugs and kids

Irishman · October 10, 2006 05:57 AM

Quote from: tapistryI am going to go out on a limb as someone who doesnt believe wanting to escape reality as a bad thing. Not all of us can live happy lives, sometimes people need a way out even if its only temporary.

Pretend drinking wasnt illegal until you were 21 would you do it?

If drugs werent illegal would it still be immoral? Is morality legislation? Because it is quite a ridiculas conclusion to believe that man determines morality.

Are we dealing with doing drugs as a moral issue or a practical issue. Because if it is a practical issue, it isnt all that unlike driving a car or abortion.

All i have is more question; which i know doesnt improve the conversation.

Wanting to escape reality is not necessarily wrong, indeed everyone does it every day. However, when that escapism becomes the point, then it is wrong. I have seen time and again drugs becoming the all consuming force driving a person's life. They eat, sleep, and work simply to get more of the drug. And that, I would say, is wrong.

If it was not illegal to drink while under 21, I would do it. However, drinking alcohol is not a morality issue perse. If one is an alcoholic then I would say it is wrong for that person to drink. Having the drinking age so high is a matter of responsibility. Teenagers are notoriously irresponsible (but so are college students as well). The problem with alcohol is not consumption, but rather the culture of irresponsibility that surrounds it. In the United States more often than not one is not held fully responsible for their actions; it is always someone else's fault. Did you do something stupid and get hurt? Blame the maker of the product! They didn't warn you, so how could you know? They should have told you! They had a sign? It should have been bigger! It doesn't help that moral relativism has engrained itself into US society such that people aren't willing to condemn another's actions and hold each other responsible

I would argue that taking a drug is quite different from driving a car and getting an abortion, in a practical sense. Risk is assumed in all cases, however the behaviors themselves are quite different. One is transportation, another medicinal, and the other simply intoxication. If everything goes right while driving, you get to your destination unharmed. If everything goes right during an abortion, one retains their health. If everything goes right with a drug, one achieves a euphoric sensation but the damage to the brain still happens. One's judgement (and sometimes motor skills) are impared.

Good questions.

tapistry · October 11, 2006 06:31 AM

Quote from: IrishmanIf everything goes right with a drug, one achieves a euphoric sensation but the damage to the brain still happens. One's judgement (and sometimes motor skills) are impared.

If impared judgment is a moral question then i say we outlaw love and make boybands illegal.

I hate the world liberal because its just distaseful and an eyesore, however im finding myself quite libertarian. I believe that the goverment should only outlaw that which infringes upon other peoples rights to pursue their own happiness and liberty. That is to say people can do pot, coke, ectasy, heroin, popper, and meth as long as it doesnt infringe upon the liberty of others.

Slick · October 11, 2006 10:22 PM

Yeh, I understand where you're coming from tapistry. If people want to do it, then they should be able to. The only problem I see in it is where does the money go and who does it go to?

Okay, a little off topic, but if today's 'non-conformists' are actually conformists attempting to rebel by damaging themselves, then who are the real non-conformists?

tapistry · October 12, 2006 05:44 AM

My real question is this, so we have religious freedom, however what is religion? Is religion a collection of beliefs about reality? What are justified beliefs? Isnt it a tennant of religion that some of its beliefs are taken as is without proof or grounding in the physical world without verifiability? Is legislation based on unjustified beliefs moral? Im not a proponent of same sex marriage, however on what other grounds then tradition or god told me so makes it immoral? What would it mean if tradition is the basis for moral justified belief, if all i needed to do to make something moral was get a group of people together and repeat an activity then were really fucked.

Isnt freedom of religion the right not to have unjustified beliefs forced on you?

I know this doesnt make alot of sense, but i can say i tried.

MynameiscalledDisturbance · October 12, 2006 05:58 PM

I am tempted to agree with tap. Religion is a socailly based moral system, where any number of people can agree and partake in activities flagged as moral in their circle. A good example would be furries. People outside the furry society find "Yiffing" appalling and alien, where as Furries them selves are perfectly at easy with the consept of fucking in animal suits. Morality is fluid and ever-changing, and saying one system of morals is correct and true is insulting to every freethinking human on the planet. In this belief it is also true that morality does not affect the actions of a person, it only gives them guilt or regret after.

T-Bones · October 13, 2006 12:49 AM

nice topics

darkz13 · October 13, 2006 05:44 PM

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T-Bones · October 15, 2006 10:10 PM

i think the iraq is goin to be ww3

darkz13 · October 17, 2006 12:56 AM

naa north koria has tested a nuciler bomb

T-Bones · October 21, 2006 09:33 PM

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MynameiscalledDisturbance · October 24, 2006 02:40 AM

Religon is just a shared system of morality with belief that is dictated by a higher being. You cannot have a conversation about drugs hedonism morality without religion being brought up at least once.

Dagolith · October 28, 2006 04:57 AM

well, i don't smoke anything, but i'm from BC Canada, so pretty much everyone i know does, well it is own biggest export, and i have been know to get nicely buzzed from time to time, but not full out drunk, it fucking sucks to much. i don't know why. mabey it's just me.

Religous views shouldn't limit what you can and cannot do in your lifetime. and not to mention (i'm an athist) i find it realy hard to believe in a theory that the universe and all that it contains was just kinda created by some all powerful being. I need something to back it up, and just assuming that everythings gonna be alright, isn't personaly enough for me.

Cupz · October 28, 2006 10:46 AM

kids and sex these day`s....now THATS spiraling downwards...

Quote from: DagolithReligous views shouldn't limit what you can and cannot do in your lifetime. and not to mention (i'm an athist) i find it realy hard to believe in a theory that the universe and all that it contains was just kinda created by some all powerful being. I need something to back it up, and just assuming that everythings gonna be alright, isn't personaly enough for me.

Genesis states "I (God) give you all my herbs and plants to use." So I smoke "it" every now and than.God doesn't limit what we can and cannot do, He just gives us hints and tips for a better life with the least dissapointments.There are only 10 REAL rules,you know.
About you thinking christians follow blindly,is really a wrong view.If we have questions,we ask them.If we find mistakes,we take them.If you have time, read the Bible once,so you know what you're talking about.Try to find a mistake in the bible.And if you don't feel like that...ask your question to video.google.com
"Does God Exist?" I garante an answer.

darkz13 · November 21, 2006 05:39 AM

show me proof of god, and ill show u why your an ideot . but thats just me.

Dagolith · November 21, 2006 06:59 AM

Quote from: darkoverlordtobeshow me proof of god, and ill show u why your an ideot . but thats just me.

FUCK YES, awww that made my day! no offence to anyone, but that was awsome.

darkz13 · November 28, 2006 03:14 AM

i will not be in a battle of wits with athing because i do not fight people that are unarmed

darkz13 · December 1, 2006 03:57 AM

"do not judge me by my educational standards but by my carecter"

Dagolith · December 2, 2006 07:12 AM

Quote from: athingthat sentence was gay

the one by darkoverlordtobe that is

no, i thought is was awsome that he said that. he he

Calm down you two, if you don't this is going to turn into what happened bettween me, and vancredan, it's an internet fight, no one will win, although funny it would distract from the topic, but still funny..... drugs drugs drugs, eneryone's idea of a "hard" drug is different depending on where you are, around here, acid isn't realy that hardcore so, it all comes down to location. but hey, no one has the right to judge anyone else, because everyone has done MANY things there not proud of, and would not like to be judged on, so drugs realy can't be something you can label or grill someone about.

T-Bones · December 3, 2006 04:39 PM

dont make me come over there!!!!!!!!!!!
lol

darkz13 · December 18, 2006 06:46 AM

i got a whip and im not afraid to use it!
ooh!!! whaaaa!