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Kött

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Quote from: rtil on March 19, 2014 01:48 AM
[spoiler]if mako was going to die it would have happened a long time ago. so far, nobody has died , so if they kill anyone it's going to be pretty significant. but if it's a non-villain, i don't see the point since there is almost no time left in the show, their sacrifice will be kind of pointless. [/spoiler]

The kill la kill universe has been rather wacky in terms of violence and death in general so far. I mean we have after school clubs, battling each other with instruments and books, we have tanks covered in beef and we have a guerilla organization which fights naked, and now that the old club presidents have reappeared, I think this way fighting battles will return as well. So the way I see it, the producers have exactly 2 choices:

One choice would be to pull off a nicely animated but wacky battle with all sorts of ridiculous attacks and tactics. The good guys prevail through their individuality/incomprehensibility (quoting parts of the subs here) and we have another two thrilling but mainly funny episodes.

The second choice would be to do something that deconstructs the whole idea of a comedic final battle which is decided through a chain of ridiculous stunts by the side characters and Mako. Imagine Ragyou would get her ass kicked because of one of Mako's silly speeches. It would be in the manner of the show that we have gotten to know over the past months. Nothing out of the ordinary, something one might even expect. But Ragyou doesn't seem like the kind of villain who just goes down due to some comedic incident. It might be able that she is vulnerable to a bit of the show's wackiness, but she is one of the few characters of this show who has never been subjected to slapstick or other forms of comedy and has never lost her cool facade. The very definition of her character that has been established thus far demands that she has to be defeated in a more serious battle and at some point, the producers might simply decide to utilize certain means in order to indicate that shit's hitting the fan.

Also I don't see any problems about waiting with the character deaths until the end... in fact, it is a rather comon thing in anime.
[spoiler]I don't think you would consider the events in the Cowboy Bebop finale insignificant. In fact, it's what made the show so great. And Cowboy Bebop is only one out of many examples. There are plenty of characters who die in the last episodes of Gurren Lagann (after a long peroid of no deaths at all), Elfen Lied kills off several important characters in the last episodes, hell, even Trigun lets one of its major characters die in the last few episodes![/spoiler]

So far, Kill la Kill has been a really entertaining show which hasn't taken itself too seriously. However, in order to fully become as legendary Gurren Lagann and other anime at the top of many lists, it has to do something that will shake up its audience and make it unforgettable - something that the fans wouldn't necessarily predict. The most boring way in which this show could end would be the good guys winning without any form of sacrifice. It would make the ending forgettable and insinificant, even though it does suit the happy go lucky attitude of the show, and that would be a shame since it has been really great and innovative until now.
:3

Kött

I've already listed the reasons why I believe that Mako might be one of the characters to die, but the reason why I believe that it's going to happen in the next episode and not in the final one is the fact that the second last episode will be featuring the regular ending of the second half for the last time (as the finale of nearly every anime usually doesn't have an ED/fades out with the first OP song). This ending is focused entirely on Mako and her feelings towards Ryuko. At the moment it's just cute and funny, but if they will do what I think they will in the next episode, its impact will change drastically, and believe me, it's gonna hurt.

(On the other hand, the topic of the ED is how Mako feels about Ryuko, so if she would be the one to die, it would have a similar effect, albeit not as strong.)
:3

rtil

#262
Quote from: Kött on March 19, 2014 12:03 PM
Also I don't see any problems about waiting with the character deaths until the end... in fact, it is a rather comon thing in anime.
that's not a good reason for doing it.

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[spoiler]I don't think you would consider the events in the Cowboy Bebop finale insignificant. In fact, it's what made the show so great. And Cowboy Bebop is only one out of many examples. There are plenty of characters who die in the last episodes of Gurren Lagann (after a long peroid of no deaths at all), Elfen Lied kills off several important characters in the last episodes, hell, even Trigun lets one of its major characters die in the last few episodes![/spoiler]
for Bebop, even Watanabe has stated that he does not know whether Spike is alive or dead in the end, and that the star in the sky that faded could have been Vicious' star. it's the ambiguity that makes it great.

the only death everyone cares about in TTGL is the death of Kamina, and Kamina is put up as a sacrificial hero early on so he is remembered in a certain way.

when Wolfwood died in Trigun there were still a few episodes left, and he was marked for death since the moment he was introduced in the show.

never finished Elfen Lied so i can't speak to that.

anyway, my point is about KLK exclusively - i don't see any good reason for any protagonist to die. there are 2 episodes left, the finale is upon us. i don't see how any of the heroes dying adds anything of value to the story at this point. mako dying would just be a pointless slap in the face. mako dying does not 'deconstruct' anything ( i hate this term and it is overused in anime fandom), it does not break any tropes or create any new ones, it would simply be a cruel trick. realistically speaking, satsuki is the character most likely to die in my book. but i would still be surprised if this happened.

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So far, Kill la Kill has been a really entertaining show which hasn't taken itself too seriously. However, in order to fully become as legendary Gurren Lagann and other anime at the top of many lists, it has to do something that will shake up its audience and make it unforgettable - something that the fans wouldn't necessarily predict. The most boring way in which this show could end would be the good guys winning without any form of sacrifice. It would make the ending forgettable and insinificant, even though it does suit the happy go lucky attitude of the show, and that would be a shame since it has been really great and innovative until now.

first of all, TTGL is overrated. i think calling it "legendary" is a bit too generous. TTGL is good, and it's a mid-tier introductory anime, but it's far from the best and it has a lot of weak points, flaws and inconsistencies.

second of all, TTGL and KLK should not be compared. they are in different genres, have different messages and take place in a different universe. the only similarities they share are their joy in excess, production style and art direction.

lastly, a show doesn't have to kill off characters to be unforgettable. i'm not going to bother listing a bunch of animes that succeed in memorable storytelling without having to kill off some of its cast members, you should be able to do that on your own. personally, i'd be far more impressed if they managed to make a great finale without having to kill off a beloved character. that's the cheap and easy option. a real twist would be something no one would be able to guess.

but i won't be disappointed if it does have a happy ending. there is nothing wrong with happy endings, and i would rather there be a happy ending if their only other route is a grimdark bloodbath for the sake of being edgy.

sev

man ive never seen anyone want a character to die so much

mako is so charming kott, why


Kött

I don't even want to overhype Gurren Lagann, the point is simply that many people do consider it one of their favorites and it does have a certain rank in the anime community and it does have its moments. Regarding your second point, I don't get the whole x and y shouldn't be compared discussion... There are a lot of people comparing those two shows in all kinds of ways and a lot of people getting mad at those who do so and arguing that it shouldn't be done. It's another anime by the same creators, a similar art and animation style and mostly the same genres (action and comedy). Naturally, people will compare the two and I don't think there's anything wrong with that as long as you don't expect the new one to be just like the old one.

Furthermore, I would like to add that, of course, a show doesn't have to kill off a bunch of characters to be impactful, but this is a goddamn show about fighting, murder and a war between humans and clothing and until now there weren't many points where the lives of the characters that the fanbase likes and cares for actually seemed to be in danger. They bleed gallons, get their hearts ripped out, blown up in the center of bombs which destroy an entire stadium, beaten, burned, eaten and mindraped, but at the end of the day it seems like none of that has ever happened. Kill la Kill tries to walk a tightrope between thrilling battles and silly comedy and so far they have succeeded. At this moment, all of the characters seem more or less involunerable to the majority of the fanbase, and apparently you are no exception to that. Am I a fan of character deaths? Not necessarily, but if they are executed well (they rarely are), they can be very powerful. The very reason why Kill la Kill does have the potential for such a move at this point is that it has its audience believing that, no matter what happens, the characters will always get back on their feet and keep on fighting with the fun and comedic aspect prevailing over the twisted and dark undertones. As soon as they actually decide to make it happen, the twist will be extreme.

I do acknowledge that the method of simply killing off one of the main characters would be the easiest way to go from comedic to serious for the final fight and right now it does seem most likely that they will simply switch between those two opposites by showing two different fights on two different fronts, but if they want to create the ultimate thrill, they will need to increase the hatred for the antagonist a bit more and they will have to bring one more darkest hour upon the heroes - another rock bottom to rise from before they eventually defeat Ragyou. The problem is, that the fanbase really likes nearly every character in this show and I do understand your reasoning about certain character death being just a cheap means to acquire certain goals and a slap in the face for most fans, so if they would pull it off it would be a risky decision, but all in all a very impactful move. Most likely, one or two of the characters will appear to be dead at some point but later be revived or return in some way once everything's over and the mood has changed from serious to comedic again. Kill la Kill doesn't really seem to be the kind of show to end in a super edgy or bittersweet manner. But I'm still going to prepare for a major twist in the upcoming episode.

Ps: I wonder who's going to wear the ultimate godrobe. Wasn't Satsuki originally intended to be its energy source?
:3

rtil

i'm tired of the KLK/TTGL comparisons because people were expecting them to have all these parallels and they don't. yes they both have comedy and action but those are pretty broad categories - i don't compare all action oriented shows with comedy because that would be a waste of time. TTGL is a mecha with relationship dramedy, KLK is a revenge story/secret sibling rivalry. the only really specific theme they share is that the protagonists are facing off vs some kind of alien space deity.

Quote from: Kött on March 19, 2014 05:41 PM
this is a goddamn show about fighting, murder
how is a show that features not a single murder about murder?


QuoteThey bleed gallons, get their hearts ripped out, blown up in the center of bombs which destroy an entire stadium, beaten, burned, eaten and mindraped, but at the end of the day it seems like none of that has ever happened. Kill la Kill tries to walk a tightrope between thrilling battles and silly comedy and so far they have succeeded. At this moment, all of the characters seem more or less involunerable to the majority of the fanbase, and apparently you are no exception to that.
well yes, of course, this is an animated series. i am willing to suspend my disbelief so long as a show remains consistent with the rules of its own universe. the premise of the show is far more absurd than the inhuman strength some of the characters seem to posses.

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Am I a fan of character deaths? Not necessarily, but if they are executed well (they rarely are), they can be very powerful. The very reason why Kill la Kill does have the potential for such a move at this point is that it has its audience believing that, no matter what happens, the characters will always get back on their feet and keep on fighting with the fun and comedic aspect prevailing over the twisted and dark undertones. As soon as they actually decide to make it happen, the twist will be extreme.
is a character dying really a plot twist, though? a twist would be more like "this character has actually been dead this whole time!" or something like that. a major character dying is a significant plot point, but it doesn't alter your perception of the earlier parts of the show like an actual plot twist would.

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if they want to create the ultimate thrill, they will need to increase the hatred for the antagonist a bit more and they will have to bring one more darkest hour upon the heroes - another rock bottom to rise from before they eventually defeat Ragyou.
ragyo and nui don't really need to be more hated than they already are, they have been successfully portrayed as soulless slaves to a living piece of fiber who will do anything to make certain that  humanity comes to an end. they have no compassion and no humanity.

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The problem is, that the fanbase really likes nearly every character in this show and I do understand your reasoning about certain character death being just a cheap means to acquire certain goals and a slap in the face for most fans, so if they would pull it off it would be a risky decision, but all in all a very impactful move. Most likely, one or two of the characters will appear to be dead at some point but later be revived or return in some way once everything's over and the mood has changed from serious to comedic again. Kill la Kill doesn't really seem to be the kind of show to end in a super edgy or bittersweet manner. But I'm still going to prepare for a major twist in the upcoming episode.
the next episode will most likely end on a cliffhanger where we think someone is dead and then we have to wait a week to see what happened.

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Ps: I wonder who's going to wear the ultimate godrobe. Wasn't Satsuki originally intended to be its energy source?

that thing looked way too big for one person

Kött

#266
Quote from: rtil on March 19, 2014 10:24 PM
i'm tired of the KLK/TTGL comparisons because people were expecting them to have all these parallels and they don't. yes they both have comedy and action but those are pretty broad categories - i don't compare all action oriented shows with comedy because that would be a waste of time. TTGL is a mecha with relationship dramedy, KLK is a revenge story/secret sibling rivalry. the only really specific theme they share is that the protagonists are facing off vs some kind of alien space deity.
I never expected them to have any specific parallels but it is simply interesting to compare two separate works by the same group of people and if you look closely enough, they share plenty of different traits and aspects. It would be a mistake to expect a translation of the exact same story into a different universe (even a rough translation), because it simply wouldn't be very interesting. But it didn't seem very unlikely to expect a sudden character death in the middle of the show, considering that the two creators might simply reuse parts of their former formula of success. I admit that we are far past that point by now, though.


Quotehow is a show that features not a single murder about murder?

As you said, KlK is a revenge story. Maybe the word murder doesn't really hit the nail on the head, but I think it's pretty clear that I didn't mean to call it a crime story. It's a typical coming off age story about young girls in skimpy outfits, beating the shit out of each other while losing a lot of blood. There. I like the ambiguity in that one. What I was basically trying to say is that, while it is rather cartoonish and comedic, the show can be quite violent.

Quoteis a character dying really a plot twist, though? a twist would be more like "this character has actually been dead this whole time!" or something like that. a major character dying is a significant plot point, but it doesn't alter your perception of the earlier parts of the show like an actual plot twist would.

That is a good point. But if the protagonist of a story, whom the story was mainly about, dies, the plot certainly has to forcefully change, at least if the viewer is fooled to believe that the story is going to follow the actions and deeds of that protagonist until the very end. I think in regards to Kamina's death in Gurren Lagann or in regards to Mami's death on Madoka, one can definitely speak of a plot twist, since both stories take an entirely new turn from those points on and the fundamental laws of the respective universes are challanged (oh shit, they actually die in a show like this?). My point was that the effect would be similar in Kill la Kill, but at this point (you are right about that), it would rather be a plot point of the finale than an actual twist, as the story is slowly coming to an end. None of the objectives of both sides would change if any character would die so it wouldn't really have a lot of relevance for the plot.


Quotethe next episode will most likely end on a cliffhanger where we think someone is dead and then we have to wait a week to see what happened.

Yepp, and my money's on Mako.


Quote from: rtil on March 19, 2014 10:24 PM
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Ps: I wonder who's going to wear the ultimate godrobe. Wasn't Satsuki originally intended to be its energy source?
that thing looked way too big for one person

That doesn't mean that it cannot be used/activated by a single person. If I remember correctly, Ragyou kept Satsuki alive because she needed her for the completition of the ultimate godrobe. If I would have to guess, I would say it's part of Ragyou's ultimate form, knowing that she is the only third character confirmed to be able to handle the godrobes... but that would be a bit too easy I guess.
:3

zwimmy


Stu4U

one more episode to go...

Gilthwixt

Quote from: rtil on March 19, 2014 10:24 PM
Quote from: Kött on March 19, 2014 05:41 PM
this is a goddamn show about fighting, murder
how is a show that features not a single murder about murder?

Not that I'm agreeing with Kott, because personally I think if a character were going to die they would've done so like 6 episodes ago (I do think TTGL is pretty legendary though)

but I thought I'd point out that there is in fact a single murder in the series, and it's from episode one, where Gamagoori killed and hung that one kid for stealing a uniform. Seems like most people forgot that, but that one incident is why I was expecting the series to have a much darker tone overall. The four devas are all loveable and awesome now, but they did kind of murder a student who pretty much had no other option than being at Hannouji academy and just wanted to escape. Idk, somehow that's pretty unsettling to me, and a very clear indicator that Trigger is pretty much just making shit up as they go along. I feel like they might have intended to go the TTGL route and kill one or two characters along the way, but backed off when they realized there wasn't anyone they could kill that the fans cared about without seriously pissing off part of the fanbase.

rtil

#270
i guess that's true, although we didn't see it happen, we just saw a dead guy. still, that makes him the first dead guy in the show i think. besides ryuko's dad? who i guess was murdered in a flash back.

also, there were a couple satsuki death flags raised near the end of this episode, so i'm a little worried about the finale.

Kött

Quote from: Gilthwixt on March 21, 2014 07:01 PM
Quote from: rtil on March 19, 2014 10:24 PM
Quote from: Kött on March 19, 2014 05:41 PM
this is a goddamn show about fighting, murder
how is a show that features not a single murder about murder?
but I thought I'd point out that there is in fact a single murder in the series, and it's from episode one, where Gamagoori killed and hung that one kid for stealing a uniform. Seems like most people forgot that, but that one incident is why I was expecting the series to have a much darker tone overall. The four devas are all loveable and awesome now, but they did kind of murder a student who pretty much had no other option than being at Hannouji academy and just wanted to escape. Idk, somehow that's pretty unsettling to me, and a very clear indicator that Trigger is pretty much just making shit up as they go along. I feel like they might have intended to go the TTGL route and kill one or two characters along the way, but backed off when they realized there wasn't anyone they could kill that the fans cared about without seriously pissing off part of the fanbase.

I completely forgot about that incident... yes, he was dead (Mako actually mentioned in the first episode that the student council had killed him) but at this point it simply seems so absurd since Satsuki and her subordinates have turned out to be the "good guys". Maybe that binary distinction between black and white is a bit too simple for Kill la Kill, but right now the show simply suggests to finish with a classic good vs. evil battle.
This wouldn't necessarily be a questionable thing but considering what kind of role Satsuki and her team have played before the betrayal, it just appears to be a tad too simple.

Of course it could be argued that Satsuki only acted the way she did before backstabbing her mother because she wanted to feign total obedience to Ragyou in order to make sure that she wouldn't uncover her secret plans at all costs. We have already seen that this has been one of her strongest motifs so far, but why would she impose such a harsh penalty on someone who could be dealt with in a much less strict fashion?
When Meiko in episode 4 was caught making plans to overthrow Satsukis reign and betray the entire academy, she was merely expelled and even the battles during the field trip/war were always comedic in nature, never suggesting the idea of people dying. Then again, we did see a lot of gunfire, explosions and destroyed buildings. Satsuki is a classical dictator who uses all the means she can to achieve victory and even when she shows her true colors in front of her mother by attacking her she doesn't change her attitude: "Fear is freedom! Control is liberty! Contradiction is truth! That is the reality of this world! Listen well, you pig that serves clothing, and bow before that fact!"
So, does that mean that she and her attitude have changed throughout the past episodes? If this was true, it would contradict her declaration that training Ryuko to fight by her side was her intention from the beginning.
Or was it simply a bluff to keep posing as the strict dictator to hide her actual intention of training Ryuko?  If this was true, it would mean that she knew from the beginning that she would lose this first battle against her mother despite her surprise attack (which seems a bit too convenient for my taste). Or is she just conveniently going along with the flow to retake her throne once her biggest enemy has been dealt with? This would mean that her revelation about her intention to train Ryouko was actually a bluff and she might actually betray Ryuko as soon as the final battle against Ragyou is over... but could the conclusion really be that twisted? She would require the assistance of any of her servants against the remaining rebels and Ryuko's team after having fought together with them against a common enemy. As twisted as this seems right now, it would actually lead back to the WWII analogy from the very first episodes. Sure, they only mentioned the rise of fascism and how Hitler seized power, but historically the chapter ends with the Cold War between the victorious powers. This might be a bit farfetched, but keep in mind that I'm just trying to fill out the plot holes and stitch the story together. It seems impossible to wrap all of that up in one episode and the way trigger will conclude this show will probably be way simpler, but I'm still wondering if they are going to make an effort to answer these questions.

Quote from: rtil on March 22, 2014 07:41 AM
i guess that's true, although we didn't see it happen, we just saw a dead guy. still, that makes him the first dead guy in the show i think. besides ryuko's dad? who i guess was murdered in a flash back.
I was mainly referring to Ryuko's dad as well of the title of the show, which could be interpreted as. Killer kill (revenging the father by slaying his murderers). That his death took place before the point on which the show had started doesn't make him less of a guy who got killed... unless (and I think this might be important) we are still considering the possibility of this flashback being an implanted memory or incomplete. I still think there's something wrong with Satsuki's flashback about meeting her father. Firstly (as previously elaborated) her fathers appearance at that time should have been that of Matoi Isshin, and secondly, we can see a different man in the flashback at the beginning of episode 3:



So, who is the man in the first flash back? It might as well just be a stylistic device or a production error... but I don't know what kind of purely stylistic use it would have had to give him different appearances in the same flashback and as for the latter possibility, I don't think trigger would make such grave mistakes...

As for the rest of the plot holes and open questions that I can recall, it's gonna be a lot to wrap up in this remaining episode.

  • We still don't know the origin of Senketsu and who or what exactly he is
  • The same goes for Junketsu, who hasn't even said a single word yet
  • Ragyou's background story remains a mystery as well. All we know is that she is the head of her family's clan. A successor of a bloodline of fiber beings who was chosen to awaken the original life fiber. But why was it so different for her to conceive a child of her own species? Was it the same for her ancestors? What's the story behind the scars on her back? Etc.
  • The purpose of her experiments seemed to be to create another fiber being of her bloodline. But what exactly did she even need a child for in the first place?
  • Later on, why did she spare Satsuki when she had the chance to kill her?

These are just a couple of things on my mind, but I'm pretty sure there are more open questions than just these... and I really wonder if they will manage to cover these points along with the final battle and a nice conclusion of the series in the remaining episode. But it's been a blast so far and I don't think they will fuck it up considering how well they have entertained us until now. Fight on Trigger!

Quote from: rtil on March 22, 2014 07:41 AM
also, there were a couple satsuki death flags raised near the end of this episode, so i'm a little worried about the finale.

I'm not really sure what exactly you are refering to... Could you elaborate?
At that one point in this week's episode I really thought that's it for Ryuko, but these close to death situations seem to become more and more frequent and more and more messed up in general. I expect a couple of more in the final episode, but it would surprise me if they would kill off any of their characters so close to the end of the show. Satsuki would be a possible candidate, as she is the elder sister and as she might have a certain motif of atonement (but again, that might be a bit farfetched). Ryouko's death is even more likely, since she would be the last life fiber being and the only remaining potential danger on earth after the annihilation of Ragyou's forces. Killing anyone else wouldn't really make any sense at this point.
:3

rtil

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i think you are kind of over-analyzing everything. it's safe to say that they may have made up a few things as they went along and KLK definitely has some plot holes. most series and films do, but they're usually not glaring enough that it ruins the immersion. and KLK is so out there i think it gets a pass.

Quote from: Kött on March 22, 2014 10:40 PM
Quote from: rtil on March 22, 2014 07:41 AM
also, there were a couple satsuki death flags raised near the end of this episode, so i'm a little worried about the finale.

I'm not really sure what exactly you are refering to... Could you elaborate?

at the end of the episode, Satsuki says not to smash the cups because they're coming back alive. then she talks to the butler about having the water boiling for her when she comes back. then she promises Mako's family that she will protect her. that's basically three death flags in a row right there.

i hope she doesn't die, but characters who talk about not dying or promising to return often don't.

Kött

I noticed that as well, being reminded of episode 17 where she and her Devas did smash the cups and somehow got out of it unharmed. Showing less determination before the final battle does seem rather ironic and not really appropriate... usually, the characters in action shows like these become crazier and more reckless the further they get... the reason why I would find this kind of death flag kinda lame is because they have done it before in Gurren Lagann and it generally seems a bit too predictable for a show like Kill la Kill, but it certainly does seems fishy...
:3

rtil

so far, though, KLK has been very predictable. at least it has been to me. but that doesn't make it any less enjoyable.

Stu4U


Kött

#276
Quote from: rtil on March 23, 2014 03:37 AM
so far, though, KLK has been very predictable. at least it has been to me. but that doesn't make it any less enjoyable.

Maybe in regards to the big picture...

Satsuki not being the final boss: Predictable
Ryuko and Satsuki eventually teaming up: Predictable
Satsuki and Ryuko having a hidden connection: Predictable
Later on: Both of them being siblings/having the same father: Predictable
Satsuki's plan of letting Ryuko fight her team and herself in order to train her: Predictable

There are always predictable parts when it comes to the main storyline, but in regards to the single episodes the twists were employed quite well, albeit in a rather wacky manner in many cases. But recall the separate episodes. Episode 5 by itself had more twists in it than many well directed final episodes of other shows that I know and it's just one out of many examples.

As for the conclusion of the show, I really doubt that it's going to be as predictable as the points mentioned in the list... There are many unanswered question which make room for major twists and the end of the show could literally be anything. According to interviews with the creators, the first ending is somehow going to have a connection with the way the show concludes, but it just seems so metaphorical that it doesn't really give many hints at all.

We still have the open question about what happens after Ryuko defeats and opponent and strips them of their clothes. All we can see is that a red string of life fiber is somehow absorbed, but as of yet, we haven't seen any explanation in regards to this phenomenon. Then there's Dr. Matoi's prediction of a terrible fate awaiting his daughter if she decided to find his father's murderer in one of the earlier episodes. Some people came up with the theory that it is not Senketsu but Ryuko who absorbs the life fibres of her fallen opponents and the final way to beat the life fibers might be her own death/suicide after the final foe has been defeated. Interesting, but rather dark and twisted compared with the general tone of this show so far...

On a side note: There are hints that the one who killed Dr. Matio was Satsuki (at least physically). Maybe it was just Trigger being unsure at that point about how to continue the story or creating additional red herrings, but think about the following: We already know that Nui can control people with her strings and there is a brief moment in episode 11 where she demonstrates that she can as well control Satsuki in a split screen gag scene which is immediately deconstructed by the reactions of her four Devas. The silhouette that we can see in the brief flashback in episode 11 looks like that of Satsuki rather than that of Nui. In episode 1, the silhouette is a bit more ambiguous, but the scissor sword's color is blue. Although, this would bring up the new question about how Nui has really lost her eye. It would make sense because Dr. Matoi only attacked her with one half of the scissors when he injured her eye, so technically it should have regenerated. Maybe Nui lied or her own memory was rewritten, but there might also be something about Satsuki that we don't know yet. This means that we might be in for another big twist.

The simplest way the show could end would be with good triumphing over evil without a single sacrifice. One more epic battle, a couple of additional near death experiences for some of the most popular characters but turning tables for the good guys just before the battle is lost. Ragyou was able to fend off Ryuko and Satsuki in their transformed form without much effort and that was before she herself was synchronized. Now, that she has the ultimate god robe there's gotta be some final power up for the good guys to be achieved during the last battle before they will be able to beat her. Some people predicted that Junketsu and Senketsu have yet to reach their final forms with Senketsu's eye patch coming off and Junketsu receiving additional eyes. The idea is based on a scene from the second opening in which both of them are entangled in life fibers and the eyes of their Kamuis appear in the background in the described manner. Another major power up would be the late activation of Satsuki's fiber powers. As we have seen, Ryuko supposedly died as a baby before her powers had activated. My guess is that Satsuki might be killed as well and then be saved by her hidden powers out of nowhere. The whole death flag thing seems more like another red herring to me  to make us think that she really will be dead for good as soon as it happens in the next episode.

Do you guys have any predictions or theories for the final episode?
:3

naturally

i'm hoping for a panty and stocking ending

rtil

Quote from: stusader on March 23, 2014 09:50 PM
i'm hoping for a panty and stocking ending

a gainax ending is the last thing i'm hoping for personally. it doesn't fit the nature of the show. p&swg didn't take itself as seriously so it was more appropriate to do something like that. i think KLK deserves a proper ending.

how do i think it will end? ragyo and nui will activate their trap card as they are in desperation mode and their plans have already been mostly ruined because of the original life fiber being dead, and for a moment our heroes will enter their darkest hour and it looks like all hope is lost, but then somebody powers up and we get to see the coolest final super mega attack, turning ragyo and nui into fountains of blood. everyone lives happily ever after and shippers everywhere rejoice. fanart resumes as normal.

satsuki said not to underestimate imitations, ragyo already made that mistake and ryuko has had her turn to shine so i suppose it is satsuki's turn now.

naturally

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i'm not saying that kill la kill doesn't deserve a proper ending but i would be a little disappointed if it ends entirely next episode. i feel like the build up has been a little much throughout the course of the show for everything to be wrapped up perfectly in 20 minutes. obviously this is just my opinion but the show doesn't nearly feel over to me so any gainax bullshit is welcome at this point. whatever happens i'll still love the series for what it is regardless and have enjoyed the opportunity to watch it from start to finish.

it would be nice to be proven otherwise but i won't know how i feel until thursday.

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