Whats up with facebook?

[funzop]

is it sort of sad that i actually tried going to hentaikawaiidoujin.com
it had a funny name alright i just wanted to see if it was an actual website ok im serious !!!!

[creamcorn]

^true that

92% of women who enter the porn industry were at least sexually abused as children

also for every actress that get a hollywood lead role, at least 1200 other actresses are forced into the porn business

ah
well those are some pretty sad statistics. i guess i was just wrongly basing my knowledge of a pornstars life off of the ones that have gotten famous and making assumptions, sorry. do you know what source collected that data tho? not like trying to challenge you or some shit i just kind of would like to know more
also what do you mean when you say "at least sexually abused as children"? at least kind of implies that a larger percent have had worse shit happen

as far as i can tell, he got those facts from a twitter account called injustice facts, which constantly mentions ridiculous facts and never mentions the source data

[creamcorn]

also, from what i gather, becoming a pornstar is very difficult (even for a woman) so 'being forced to become a pornstar' sounds ridiculous to me.

[Pants, the terrible]

a thread about facebook being troublesome just became a moral philosophy of porn.

because of that i'm giving everyone free pizza pointes today. pat your backs

[creamcorn]

threads derail all the time, this one has been about porn for the past 3 pages. get over it

[Pants, the terrible]

this jarring derailing is pretty commendable

oh shit this is the back allas nvm oops

[naturally]

is it sort of sad that i actually tried going to hentaikawaiidoujin.com
it had a funny name alright i just wanted to see if it was an actual website ok im serious !!!!

[W.A.C.]

Yeah, because no way in hell is visual learning ever helpful to sex. A lot of great, fun ideas can be found in porn.

this is seriously the craziest point ive ever heard used in any argument ever
its not even the fact that its bad, its like off the scale that determines the quality of a point

i mean usually people can tell that most girls arent actually the way they look on magazine covers and reality television when they do something like go outside. unless theyve never left their underground concrete bunker hidden underneath a small patch of farmland in north dakota, most people can clearly fucking see that not all women have huge breasts/ model new clothing brands/ are under 30.

I brought up magazines covers because some people were complaining that porn negatively affects women when it comes to their view of their appearance and I felt like mentioning one medium that does actually affect those views far worse than porn does in most cases. That, and my point brought up that porn actually improved my perception of human autonomy in general.

on top of that, the majority of the porn industry looks for skinny good looking girls, so if it says anything at all to self-conscious teenage girls, the only thing it says is "this is how it is popular to look and this is what guys like. look at all these views! if i want to get fucked by big ricky and have millions of dudes finger their butthole while watching me get a fist plunged so deep in my vagina that it is visible under my skin, i will have to look like this girl!"

Not like all the thin girls in porn are one exact size and a lot of people have different preferences. The porn industry tries to cater to a lot of different tastes so they have a much greater variety in body types than you probably realize.

the only way i can think that this point might actually be even remotely coherent is if youre like talking about some irl guro-type shit where you get to see the placement of someones organs as they are cut open and stomach fucked or something idk

you are a mystery wac

o_O

i actually do agree that porn is dehumanizing in a way

i mean, if you think about it, you have to be a pretty hollow fucking shell of a person to be able to take 3 dicks in your ass at the same time while 20 dudes jizz on your face everyday. I think a lot of porn stars feel that they are dehumanized. and porn stars probably get treated like a piece of meat by everyone else in their industry

i think a lot of people who choose to do porn, do so because they come from broken families and shitty pasts, and they probably dont have the higher education to be able to get a decent job. i think a lot of women do porn because they have to pay off debts and really have no other options for money other than stripping or prostitution. sure a lot of pornstars can make a good living from the industry, but after being used as a human cum receptacle every day, i think anyone would feel like they arent human anymore.

it doesnt mean you're a bad person for watching porn. i dont think a lot of people realize that pornstars are actually miserable and sad people doing a job they probably hate themselves for

While there are people in the industry who either hate their job or grow to hate it overtime, lots of porn actors really enjoy their job and are glad to be in the industry. To act like nearly all of them are miserable people who feel non-human is just stereotyping.

92% of women who enter the porn industry were at least sexually abused as children

also for every actress that get a hollywood lead role, at least 1200 other actresses are forced into the porn business

Proof please.

[rtil]

^true that

92% of women who enter the porn industry were at least sexually abused as children

also for every actress that get a hollywood lead role, at least 1200 other actresses are forced into the porn business

ah
well those are some pretty sad statistics. i guess i was just wrongly basing my knowledge of a pornstars life off of the ones that have gotten famous and making assumptions, sorry. do you know what source collected that data tho? not like trying to challenge you or some shit i just kind of would like to know more
also what do you mean when you say "at least sexually abused as children"? at least kind of implies that a larger percent have had worse shit happen

as far as i can tell, he got those facts from a twitter account called injustice facts, which constantly mentions ridiculous facts and never mentions the source data

yeah i was gonna say, this reminds me of the shit people mindlessly copypaste on their facebook statuses without any reference material, like "98% OF TEENS DO DRUGZ POST THIS ON UR WALL IF U DONT", etc.

don't go throwing around numbers if you don't have a source to cite (and i mean a real source not the place you pasted it from). just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true.

anyway, while i'm sure there are plenty of people in the porn industry who are hollow shells of their formal selves, the same could be said of most mind-numbing desk jobs that suck the life out of people. it's just a different form of it.

however, there are lots of porn stars who genuinely enjoy what they do and made a larger career from their former success. the best example i can think of is sasha grey.

[trent bortknob]

certainly it does seem a bit of an extreme thing to say "watching porn dehumanizes people". the point i'm making is supposed to come across as less extreme but i'm not good at articulating it.

when you watch porn, you're watching it to get off to it. no objection here, right? is it correct to assert that no one watches pornography for the stellar plot lines and entertainment value? (actually, some of you probably watch hentai for this reason, but i digress).

my stance is that, since watching pornography is soley for the purpose of getting sexual satisfaction, the people in porn (these are human beings like you and i) are just tools you use to get that pleasure. this is dehumanizing solely because you are not treating the people in porn like humans. this is why i'm wary of casual sex, because it seems like it's usually using someone for sexual satisfaction, not treating them with respect, like they have value.

however, you guys bring an additional component to the discussion. if it can be established that the porn industry is generally dangerous or bad in some way, then supporting it by watching porn would be considered bad too. i didn't make this claim because i don't know enough about the porn industry to substantiate a claim like that. but if someone here think it might be true then it would be a good addition. if you do make claims about anything like that please cite some sources so that i know that they're accurate.

[trent bortknob]

you're a fucker GOD DAMN PWND

No, I'm a virgin...unfortunately. >_>

that's not what i meant by fucker you asshole. shut the fuck up.

seriously, you are the only person i've ever met who uses the word "fucker" to describe "a person who fucks".

[trent bortknob]

i also just realized that if my theory is correct, you can watch hentai because it does not consist of actual human beings.

but then you have to ask yourself, do you really want to watch hentai?

[rtil]

if it can be established that the porn industry is generally dangerous or bad in some way, then supporting it by watching porn would be considered bad too. i didn't make this claim because i don't know enough about the porn industry to substantiate a claim like that. but if someone here think it might be true then it would be a good addition. if you do make claims about anything like that please cite some sources so that i know that they're accurate.

you're really hard pressed to make a case about this aren't you

well, for starters there is wasim's post, which is certainly facebook-status-update worthy. i'm sure any decent republican congressmen would put an unsourced statistic like that in a bill, so you might as well use it.

[trent bortknob]

i'm not concerned with trying to prove my point, im concerned with beliefs being true. i have a suspicion that the porn industry is probably not very healthy, but i don't have any proof or evidence of this, so i never used it as an argument. some other people were making claims, so i challenged them to organize it. i might do research sometime, but i'm not going to pull a statistic out of thin air and act like it's proof. if you really think i would do that (and i suspect you do), i have to ask why you have such a negative view of my integrity.

[trent bortknob]

i just typed up a long rebuttal to w.a.c.'s whole argument but it was lost when the page wouldn't load due to my shitty internet. i might retype it later, but i mean honestly nonzop covered it pretty well anyway. plus, w.a.c's arguments are ridiculous i doubt anyone but w.a.c himself thinks that they're worth anything.

[shura]

i found an article with a woman who interviewed a bunch of porn stars http://trueslant.com/susannahbreslin/2010/05/04/where-porn-stars-come-from/

but still, i dont think it's dehumanizing to watch porn, unless you're a young kid and still impressionable. i doubt anyone rtil's age would form a different opinion on women just by watching a porno honestly. i guess that's why porn is (supposed to be) restricted to minors

[trent bortknob]

oh yeah real quick, cuz i'm gonna wake up early tomorrow and probably won't be back to check this thread til like mid day, i'll add this.


i think the argument that we have natural tendency to objectify women and/or obsess over sex was used here, so let me refute that.

there are many things that we have natural tendencies, not the least of them being violence, racism, and mysticism. these are all traits that have developed through evolution, as they were useful at some point in our ancestry. now, however, reason is developing and is taking over. we no longer think it is moral to discriminate based on the color of one's skin or their gender. most of us do not think it's ok to act violently. a lot of us still succumb to faith as some sort of virtue, a lot of us accept ideas that have no evidence for them (read most blogs for my source supporting that claim).

we're learning that it is not good to objectify women. we can use reason to identify what is moral, and most of us, upon reflection, can probably understand why it doesn't make any sense to discriminate against someone of a different skin color. we can do this with the objectification of women, violence, etc etc etc. all of these things are natural to humans.

for more info on this subject, check out the book "godless" by dan barker, particularly pages 352-353.

[rtil]

i am incapable of learning it is not good to objectify women because i watch porn though

[W.A.C.]

i'm not concerned with trying to prove my point, im concerned with beliefs being true. i have a suspicion that the porn industry is probably not very healthy, but i don't have any proof or evidence of this, so i never used it as an argument. some other people were making claims, so i challenged them to organize it. i might do research sometime, but i'm not going to pull a statistic out of thin air and act like it's proof. if you really think i would do that (and i suspect you do), i have to ask why you have such a negative view of my integrity.

Worst aspect of legal pornography is the spread of sexual diseases. It's a major damn problem. Some California lawmakers were thinking about mandating condom use in porn but that would have been disastrous. [LINK] [LINK] Fortunately, they are tested every month but they should probably be tested every week. >_>

[rtil]

i'm not concerned with trying to prove my point, im concerned with beliefs being true. i have a suspicion that the porn industry is probably not very healthy, but i don't have any proof or evidence of this, so i never used it as an argument. some other people were making claims, so i challenged them to organize it. i might do research sometime, but i'm not going to pull a statistic out of thin air and act like it's proof. if you really think i would do that (and i suspect you do), i have to ask why you have such a negative view of my integrity.

Worst aspect of legal pornography is the spread of sexual diseases. It's a major damn problem. Some California lawmakers were thinking about mandating condom use in porn but that would have been disastrous. [LINK] [LINK] Fortunately, they are tested every month but they should probably be tested every week. >_>

actually, in recent times, pornographic actors are actually less likely to get std's than sexually active people in the general population because of strict testing and safer standards. that's why when you hear about an std in the porn industry it's a big deal - because it doesn't happen very often.